I really don’t like Hallie

[Benjamin]

Just caught up on yesterdays show. I wasn’t a fan of Hallie prior to now because of her attitude, but last night just showed she doesn’t believe she has done anything wrong and BB are the ones who were in the wrong. She’s got such a bad attitude. It’s not even entertaining anymore, she’s like the new Kitten.

[vesavius]

Yeah, she is embarrassing.

[MTVN]

She was okay when she'd calmed down and apologised to people but I really hate the way she shouts at BB during her strops, it's so foul and degrading to her

[Ammi]

…yeah, it’s for sure a struggle to find positives in her behaviour atm…but I’m thinking she’ll be up for eviction next week…maybe not Olivia, though…because she’s shown genuine regret…

[Benjamin]

She was okay when she'd calmed down and apologised to people but I really hate the way she shouts at BB during her strops, it's so foul and degrading to her

I feel her apology was false though and done merely to try save herself not because she was actually sorry.

[GoldHeart]

Sitting in jail in the rain , is not punishment enough. The second part of the rule break is even more pathetic on BB's part ....all she has to do is wear a silly outfit :notimpressed: . Make her face the public vote!!!!,these weak punishments are boring AF .

Haillie is not sorry , she's just sorry she got caught. Zero remorse ...and she can suck up those fake tears ,she doesn't fool me . She laughed,and then in the garden & Dr she's acted like a entitled brat as usual.

It was so cringe the way she kept trying to cover her ass with damage control with Zak & Noky . False apology, nothing genuine about her :bored:.

[AnnieK]

She allows others to influence her behaviour. When they were in jail Hallie was quiet until Olivia started creating then Hallie stood up and started shouting louder and having a strop. I think if Olivia had kept quiet, Hallie would have done too and taken her punishment. That is definitely her age showing.

[rusticgal]

I find her completely fake...she's trying to do a 'Nikki'....she makes everything about herself and her and Olivia act like a pair of 5 year olds.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its clear Hallie gets away with murder with her mum

[rusticgal]

She allows others to influence her behaviour. When they were in jail Hallie was quiet until Olivia started creating then Hallie stood up and started shouting louder and having a strop. I think if Olivia had kept quiet, Hallie would have done too and taken her punishment. That is definitely her age showing.


Her age????....she's 18 not 5 Annie.

[GoldHeart]

Her age????....she's 18 not 5 Annie.

Ikr I'm fed up of her age being used of an excuse.

[vesavius]

Ikr I'm fed up of her age being used of an excuse.

Right? They go in as adults they should be held to adult standards.

[MTVN]

I feel her apology was false though and done merely to try save herself not because she was actually sorry.

True, she was trying to dodge responsibility by saying to Zak that other people had started the stuff about him being a gameplayer even though she went on about it way more than anyone

[AnnieK]

Never said she wasn't an adult :shrug:- but I know I was far more likely to follow the crowd at 18 than how i would act now

If you think an 18 year old has the same maturity as an older adult, I would massively disagree

[AnnieK]

Its clear Hallie gets away with murder with her mum

Olivia has openly admitted the same. She said she gets her own way at home all the time - it clearly shows with her too

[Mich3LL3]

She thinks its a Hallie show, and boy is she wrong. I wish someone would stood up to her, how many Times she thinks she can apologies for the same Old tantrums. Phony and a fake.

[thesheriff443]

Ikr I'm fed up of her age being used of an excuse.

It’s important to remember her age because she comes across as immature rather than a really nasty person

Plus I think a lot of what she does is playing the class clown to be popular rather than being nasty.

Plus it’s big brother it’s not easy living in that environment

[Babayaro.]

She has got so much maturing to do. There’s definitely a nice person within her but at the moment she is coming across horribly.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Olivia has openly admitted the same. She said she gets her own way at home all the time - it clearly shows with her too

Yes it does

[MTVN]

Never said she wasn't an adult :shrug:- but I know I was far more likely to follow the crowd at 18 than how i would act now

If you think an 18 year old has the same maturity as an older adult, I would massively disagree

Agree, people are still massively immature and inexperienced in life at 18

[Babayaro.]

Never said she wasn't an adult :shrug:- but I know I was far more likely to follow the crowd at 18 than how i would act now

If you think an 18 year old has the same maturity as an older adult, I would massively disagree

I agree with you i.e her age, Annie.

Looking back, I was still basically a child at 18 compared to now :laugh:

[thesheriff443]

Looks like I’m agreeing with the mods
I’m forked

[rusticgal]

Agree, people are still massively immature and inexperienced in life at 18


Well of course they are....but I cant say I have ever seen an 18 year old throw a 5 year old tantrum.

[vesavius]

Never said she wasn't an adult :shrug:- but I know I was far more likely to follow the crowd at 18 than how i would act now

If you think an 18 year old has the same maturity as an older adult, I would massively disagree

Plenty of 18 year olds act far more maturely than most adults, tbh

[AnnieK]

Plenty of 18 year olds act far more maturely than most adults, tbh

And plenty don't :shrug:

[Ammi]

Never said she wasn't an adult :shrug:- but I know I was far more likely to follow the crowd at 18 than how i would act now

If you think an 18 year old has the same maturity as an older adult, I would massively disagree

…I think that her age factored as well into an initial bonding with Kerry as a more maternal personality…only that didn’t turn out at all and any exaggerated emotional teenage type behaviour feeding there as well…it would have been interesting to see Hallie, had she attached to a more positive influence…

[AnnieK]

Well of course they are....but I cant say I have ever seen an 18 year old throw a 5 year old tantrum.

We've seen a 40 year old (or however old Kerry is ) throw a tantrum :laugh:

[vesavius]

And plenty don't :shrug:

Exactly, and that's my point.

The fact that she is one of those that doesn't is why many people do not enjoy her.

Personally, for me, it's the constructed fake 'diva' personality and snakey whispering between groups about individuals that I don't like.

[vesavius]

We've seen a 40 year old (or however old Kerry is ) throw a tantrum :laugh:

Can't believe she is 40, tbh. I thought she was 10 years older.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Uh I wanna give her the benefit of the doubt because she is young but she is coming across very princess always gets her way attitude, she needs growing up I believe.

[thesheriff443]

Ultimately if she continues on that road it will cost her, her place in the house

The question is was she ever going to win the show and my answer is no

[caprimint]

She's absolutely awful, she's sooooo incredibly and obviously fake

The newest moment being when she used the word "vindictive" and Olivia asked what it meant and she said she didn't know when she'd literally just used it in the right context. She clearly knew and wanted to fit in with Olivia and act "dumb". Actually embarrassing :skull:

[Lostie!]

She was one of my early favourites but she's turned out pretty damn unlikeable

[Ammi]

Uh I wanna give her the benefit of the doubt because she is young but she is coming across very princess always gets her way attitude, she needs growing up I believe.

…I know, I’ve been rooting for her from the beginning and really wanted her to do well…in life, obviously I hope that she does and have no negative feelings about her at all…but in terms of her in the house and my choosing favourites/and less so, I don’t mind grumpy and I don’t mind tantrums etc…and I don’t mind even rule breaking …but there has to be more…and the ‘more’ has to be able to be seen and not feel so overshadowed by, hmmmmm…just feeling that she’s not embracing this experience that so few 18yr olds ever have or ever will…

…also, with the series being much shorter than we’re familiar with…we don’t have the time to get to know housemates in more of their depth, either…so we hope for more of a balance than Hallie so far has given…

[Ammi]

She was one of my early favourites but she's turned out pretty damn unlikeable

…or basically what Lostie has said…/…the long and the short of it…

[Ammi]

Can't believe she is 40, tbh. I thought she was 10 years older.

…mind you, with her multiple sclerosis…a disease such as that would/could be quite aging, I would think…

[Zizu]

Halle’s disgusting behaviour ( shouting abuse at BB and the cameras ) is actually an accurate snapshot of what is happening in all our high schools across the country on any given school ( oddly it’s generally teenage girls ) .


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[Swan]

…mind you, with her multiple sclerosis…a disease such as that would/could be quite aging, I would think…

Yes, i do have sympathy with her for that. A friend of mines mum had MS, it's an evil disease. I don't like Kerry at all, but her looking older and struggling to get around isn't her fault, and like i say, i sympathise.

[rusticgal]

We've seen a 40 year old (or however old Kerry is ) throw a tantrum :laugh:


Yes I know...I commented on that at the time. Kerry is very immature too...but we are talking about Hallie :shrug:

[vesavius]

…mind you, with her multiple sclerosis…a disease such as that would/could be quite aging, I would think…

True that.

[GoldHeart]

Can't believe she is 40, tbh. I thought she was 10 years older.

she definitely looks alot older than 40 .But she acts like a child.

[AnnieK]

Yes I know...I commented on that at the time. Kerry is very immature too...but we are talking about Hallie :shrug:

I know what we are talking about....I was making a light hearted commented as you had said you had never seen an 18 year old have a 5 year old tantrum.....I made a quip that we have all witnessed othe tantrums in the house....sorry didn't realise I wasn't meant to deviate in any way lol???

I have seen plenty of 18 year olds act like brats and kick off like Hallie did, I've seen plenty of 40 year olds act like brats and kick off...........maturity helps but doesn't stop some people feeling they can act how they like to get what they need.

My initial point was yesterday in the jail task, Hallie allowed Olivia's behaviour to influence her own (i.e only kicking off when Olivia started shouting)

[Liam-]

I was rooting for her and operation get Hallie a fanny, but she’s definitely blown her chances with her behaviour

[MTVN]

She's absolutely awful, she's sooooo incredibly and obviously fake

The newest moment being when she used the word "vindictive" and Olivia asked what it meant and she said she didn't know when she'd literally just used it in the right context. She clearly knew and wanted to fit in with Olivia and act "dumb". Actually embarrassing :skull:

Yeah very true, I noticed that as well

[GoldHeart]

Yes, i do have sympathy with her for that. A friend of mines mum had MS, it's an evil disease. I don't like Kerry at all, but her looking older and struggling to get around isn't her fault, and like i say, i sympathise.

MS isn't a pleasant disease, but there's people who just try their best to get on with it, they get out there and they try to get as much exercise as they possibly can, to help their body . Otherwise it makes the disease worse , it's like a sort of therapy. I know it's not easy .

But Kerry isn't a nice person,and for someone with a disability... you'd think she'd be more sympathetic & actually have empathy, especially when she worked for the NHS. She clearly thinks she can do and say what she wants because of her situation,and possibly her age.

I've mentioned this before....but in IAC Kadeena Cox had MS ,and she never moaned or pulled screaming tantrums or bitchy sessions. You could see she got tired at times and struggled...but she just got on with things. Which is the best way :shrug: .

Kerry acting like she's mothering Hallie & Olivia....when in reality she acts just as immature and whiny as them.

Even with the VIP reward, you could see... she thought she was entitled to it. Like she's special.

[Ammi]

Yes, i do have sympathy with her for that. A friend of mines mum had MS, it's an evil disease. I don't like Kerry at all, but her looking older and struggling to get around isn't her fault, and like i say, i sympathise.

…yeah a work colleague I had quite a long time ago had a sudden illness…it was something completely different but he was very ill for around a year or 18months, I can’t recall exactly…he was maybe mid thirties…?…but after his illness, when he had recovered…?….his aging had been quite dramatic…chronic pain will really attack the body and wear it down and that would be very visible…it was interesting to see Kerry both at her Adele audition and her Deal or No Deal and they weren’t that long ago when you think…and if I hadn’t known it was her, I would have struggled to have recognised her…and I’ve read that she won’t be going back to work so maybe her condition is deteriorating also, I don’t know…anyway I’m getting off topic so if you head for the door on the left, you’ll get back to the thread…

[Gusto Brunt]

Yeah, she is embarrassing.

It's the swearing that's the worst. Just awful and unnecessary.

[Niamh.]

She allows others to influence her behaviour. When they were in jail Hallie was quiet until Olivia started creating then Hallie stood up and started shouting louder and having a strop. I think if Olivia had kept quiet, Hallie would have done too and taken her punishment. That is definitely her age showing.Is that being influenced though or not wanting to be out done by Olivia

[Redrose]

I hope Kitten found happiness in Australia. Don't blame her for moving out of the UK.

[MTVN]

MS affects people very differently. Some people get progressively worse over time, some people have symptoms which come and go. Some people won't be seriously affected by it for many years but others will find simple tasks very difficult. There's such a range of symptoms as well, a lot of people find it difficult to control their bowels, some get really bad brain fog and memory issues, obviously the mobility is a big thing that affects most people sooner or later.. anyway point is you can't really compare one person with MS to another.

Tbh for all Kerry's faults she has barely mentioned her disability or looked to make excuses or garner sympathy

[GoldHeart]

…yeah a work colleague I had quite a long time ago had a sudden illness…it was something completely different but he was very ill for around a year or 18months, I can’t recall exactly…he was maybe mid thirties…?…but after his illness, when he had recovered…?….his aging had been quite dramatic…chronic pain will really attack the body and wear it down and that would be very visible…it was interesting to see Kerry both at her Adele audition and her Deal or No Deal and they weren’t that long ago when you think…and if I hadn’t known it was her, I would have struggled to have recognised her…and I’ve read that she won’t be going back to work so maybe her condition is deteriorating also, I don’t know…anyway I’m getting off topic so if you head for the door on the left, you’ll get back to the thread…

I guess it depends how severe the disease is aswell...and it maybe affects everyone differently. I didn't recognise Kerry in the Adele thing... she's definitely aged rapidly.

[Cherie]

Don't want to start the who trans debate but she is so immature, you have to wonder at the wisdom of her transitioning at 16, I would hold off on the new vagina for a few years if I were her

[Cherie]

MS affects people very differently. Some people get progressively worse over time, some people have symptoms which come and go. Some people won't be seriously affected by it for many years but others will find simple tasks very difficult. There's such a range of symptoms as well, a lot of people find it difficult to control their bowels, some get really bad brain fog and memory issues, obviously the mobility is a big thing that affects most people sooner or later.. anyway point is you can't really compare one person with MS to another.

Tbh for all Kerry's faults she has barely mentioned her disability or looked to make excuses or garner sympathy



Not sure about that there was a scene with Dylan in the bedroom where he was waving his false leg at her and said in a jokey way that he was disabled too, so I think she might be :laugh:

[GoldHeart]

[/B]


Not sure about that there was a scene with Dylan in the bedroom where he was waving his false leg at her and said in a jokey way that he was disabled to, so I think she might be :laugh:

She 100% is pulling the disability card , like I said she thinks she's entitled to stuff.

[fruit_cake]

Don't want to start the who trans debate but she is so immature, you have to wonder at the wisdom of her transitioning at 16, I would hold off on the new vagina for a few years if I were her

I agree .. it could be perhaps when she's 33 and the novelty of being a 'woman' has worn off, and she's left with a more gritty reality, and meanwhile many of her friends have children, I wonder how much of a prize the designer vagina is going to seem as a consolation.

Perhaps it really is that much of an issue for her though idk

[Benjamin]

MS affects people very differently. Some people get progressively worse over time, some people have symptoms which come and go. Some people won't be seriously affected by it for many years but others will find simple tasks very difficult. There's such a range of symptoms as well, a lot of people find it difficult to control their bowels, some get really bad brain fog and memory issues, obviously the mobility is a big thing that affects most people sooner or later.. anyway point is you can't really compare one person with MS to another.

Tbh for all Kerry's faults she has barely mentioned her disability or looked to make excuses or garner sympathy

Yeah I agree she really hasn’t.

[Zizu]

I agree .. it could be perhaps when she's 33 and the novelty of being a 'woman' has worn off, and she's left with a more gritty reality, and meanwhile many of her friends have children, I wonder how much of a prize the designer vagina is going to seem as a consolation.

Perhaps it really is that much of an issue for her though idk


The way Halle is behaving nobody will want to work with her .. chat shows and magazines included she may have to make do with a DIY vagina rather than a fancy designer one


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[vesavius]

Don't want to start the who trans debate but she is so immature, you have to wonder at the wisdom of her transitioning at 16, I would hold off on the new vagina for a few years if I were her

I can't say what I really want to about this, but yeah a few years would be good.

And she should spend that time away from the internet.

[Zizu]

Don't want to start the who trans debate but she is so immature, you have to wonder at the wisdom of her transitioning at 16, I would hold off on the new vagina for a few years if I were her


I wonder the wisdom of her being a Youth worker !

I wouldn’t want her within a 100 miles of my teenager


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[Beso]

Do you get to keep the old bits? Like a tooth at the dentists.

[Beso]

She makes me laugh, shes like a comedy bond villain.

[Zizu]

Do you get to keep the old bits? Like a tooth at the dentists.


Pretty sure they use all most of the old bits and pieces to make the new one ..


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[Beso]

Pretty sure they use all most of the old bits and pieces to make the new one ..


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Wouldnt it be better to keep the bits incase you ever wanted to have sex with yourself?

[Zizu]

Wouldnt it be better to keep the bits incase you ever wanted to have sex with yourself?


That’s a whole new conversation


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[Beso]

Just caught up on yesterdays show. I wasn’t a fan of Hallie prior to now because of her attitude, but last night just showed she doesn’t believe she has done anything wrong and BB are the ones who were in the wrong. She’s got such a bad attitude. It’s not even entertaining anymore, she’s like the new Kitten.

She went and apologised to Zak, the only person she needed to apologise to.

Dont forget who's idea the game was in the first place.

[Nicky91]

well it is that we now know she is trans, but otherwise i really wouldn't know that


Hallie is a pretty girl, way prettier than Olivia too (even trashier looks wise than your average Geordie Shore or Love Island contestant)

[vesavius]

well it is that we now know she is trans, but otherwise i really wouldn't know that


Hallie is a pretty girl

Wait, are you saying that you didn't see it right away?

But, yes, Hallie has pretty eyes.

[Zizu]

Wait, are you saying that you didn't see it right away?

But, yes, Hallie has pretty eyes.


I didn’t notice immediately… although I didn’t release she was about 6’6” tall


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[vesavius]

I didn’t notice immediately… although I didn’t release she was about 6’6” tall


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She's a freakin goliath lol. I feel quite inferior :joker:

As far as BB trans go, I think Nadia took me longer to see and that was about 20 mins if I remember right... Or were we told right off? It gets hazy. BB5 was peak BB.

Ahh, Nadia, she was a legitimate legend.

[Beso]

well it is that we now know she is trans, but otherwise i really wouldn't know that


Hallie is a pretty girl, way prettier than Olivia too (even trashier looks wise than your average Geordie Shore or Love Island contestant)

Well said nicky.

[rusticgal]

Her height/build and voice gave it away…but she is an attractive lady to look at.
I liked her at first…but her behaviour is a massive turn off.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Same here

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

I hope this is not offensive but as anyone got a pic of Hallie has a boy?

[GoldHeart]

I hope this is not offensive but as anyone got a pic of Hallie has a boy?

It was already posted like a week ago , when she was 10 she made it on front page newspaper...as she and her friend swallowed some magnetic beads and ended up in hospital or something. They were both posing with the tube of beads.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

It was already posted like a week ago , when she was 10 she made it on front page newspaper...as she and her friend swallowed some magnetic beads and ended up in hospital or something. They were both posing with the tube of beads.

Do you remember which thread?

[Jordan.]

Her behaviour is so bratty, definitely still in the "too big for their boots" teenage phase.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Never really sure that a teenager with mental health issues should be used for advertising by huge TV companies

I think the channel should have passed here and im disgusted that Hallies Mum was supportive of this

yet not surprised:sad:

[Beso]

You all take her to seriously.:joker:

[Zizu]

You all take her to seriously.:joker:


Well she’s certainly not messing around … she’s acting out a plan she’s hatched out after watching all the previous BigBrother series online

Thankfully it’s a lousy plan that will soon see her out on her ***e.


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[Beso]

Well she’s certainly not messing around … she’s acting out a plan she’s hatched out after watching all the previous BigBrother series online

Thankfully it’s a lousy plan that will soon see her out on her ***e.


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And that would be a shame, cause shes kind of unique, and non generic like 40 percent of what will be left.

[GoldHeart]

Do you remember which thread?

I don't remember, weirdly I can't find the article either :confused:.

[Zizu]

It was already posted like a week ago , when she was 10 she made it on front page newspaper...as she and her friend swallowed some magnetic beads and ended up in hospital or something. They were both posing with the tube of beads.


Always the attention seeker


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[Kazanne]

I'm not a fan either far too brattish for my liking and sly as they come

[Strictly Jake]

She was a tiny bit more bearable in this episode. But still get rid of her and Kerry

[Garfie]

I agree .. it could be perhaps when she's 33 and the novelty of being a 'woman' has worn off, and she's left with a more gritty reality, and meanwhile many of her friends have children, I wonder how much of a prize the designer vagina is going to seem as a consolation.

Perhaps it really is that much of an issue for her though idk

Much as I don’t like her behaviour which can be very immature, I don’t believe that Hallie is perceiving being a woman as a novelty that will wear off. As she says, she has always been a woman trapped inside a man’s body, and I trust her on that. I think we have to respect the fact that she knows who she is at her core, and I think maybe the tantrums will naturally decrease when she has had her op and feels complete as the woman she is.

[Garfie]

Just to add, I think her behaviour is due to her personality and attitude rather than gender, and I don’t agree that Olivia is to blame for the poor choices that Hallie makes. Hallie made the choice to kick off several times about the camping task and the food provided without any influence from Olivia.

I think this was Hallie’s character before she entered the house, and that she is partly exaggerating it for the cameras. Maybe she comes from a household where people communicate by shouting. Whatever the reason, at the end of the day, at 18, you know what behaviour is appropriate and what is not, and if you are naturally impulsive - which I think she is- you have to make the effort to learn to control it if you don’t want to go through life in a constant state of conflict.

[fitz2k2]

So if she breaks the rule 3rd time. What would be her punishment? I know for fact if they won't evict her. If it was someone boring they definitely would have. If she gets 3rd punishment remove all food and beds. Make them sleep outside with cold water showers

[GoldHeart]

So if she breaks the rule 3rd time. What would be her punishment? I know for fact if they won't evict her. If it was someone boring they definitely would have. If she gets 3rd punishment remove all food and beds. Make them sleep outside with cold water showers

The punishments get weaker and weaker

[Redway]

Her age????....she's 18 not 5 Annie.

18 is pretty young.

[Ammi]

Much as I don’t like her behaviour which can be very immature, I don’t believe that Hallie is perceiving being a woman as a novelty that will wear off. As she says, she has always been a woman trapped inside a man’s body, and I trust her on that. I think we have to respect the fact that she knows who she is at her core, and I think maybe the tantrums will naturally decrease when she has had her op and feels complete as the woman she is.

Just to add, I think her behaviour is due to her personality and attitude rather than gender, and I don’t agree that Olivia is to blame for the poor choices that Hallie makes. Hallie made the choice to kick off several times about the camping task and the food provided without any influence from Olivia.

I think this was Hallie’s character before she entered the house, and that she is partly exaggerating it for the cameras. Maybe she comes from a household where people communicate by shouting. Whatever the reason, at the end of the day, at 18, you know what behaviour is appropriate and what is not, and if you are naturally impulsive - which I think she is- you have to make the effort to learn to control it if you don’t want to go through life in a constant state of conflict.

…yeah I agree, Garfie…I think any behaviour is a part of Hallie’s character and not gender related…although, I’m not sure whether any transitioning hormone treatments might ‘enhance’ any emotional responses, I honestly don’t know…and I agree that she has to learn to consider others around her and that’s another journey she has to take…I’d like to see her interact with others more and a more positive balance that we haven’t seen yet…and especially now as she’s such a nomination target, this could be her last week in the house…

[MTVN]

I hope this is not offensive but as anyone got a pic of Hallie has a boy?

Here you go: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5467571/Boy-13-needed-surgery-swallowing-magnetic-balls.html

It's 5 years ago but they were quite a feminine boy

[Zizu]

Here you go: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5467571/Boy-13-needed-surgery-swallowing-magnetic-balls.html

It's 5 years ago but they were quite a feminine boy


Spoilt , attention seeker


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[fruit_cake]

Much as I don’t like her behaviour which can be very immature, I don’t believe that Hallie is perceiving being a woman as a novelty that will wear off. As she says, she has always been a woman trapped inside a man’s body, and I trust her on that. I think we have to respect the fact that she knows who she is at her core, and I think maybe the tantrums will naturally decrease when she has had her op and feels complete as the woman she is.

yes with respect, perhaps what I wrote was a little clunky, but I do feel you're painting a slighty unfair take on what I wrote none the less. I was not questioning her gender identity in any way, just noting how different life can be for an 18 year old and how it's easy to be impulsive about things that can have long reaching consequences.

I do hope for Hallie's sake that any precautions have been taken because to arrive at 30 something and be surrounded by new borns and preschools while you yourself cannot concieve is not a situation I would imagine anyone would find pleasant

[Niamh.]

So if she breaks the rule 3rd time. What would be her punishment? I know for fact if they won't evict her. If it was someone boring they definitely would have. If she gets 3rd punishment remove all food and beds. Make them sleep outside with cold water showersIf she talks about Nominations again she should be automatically put up imo

[Zizu]

Much as I don’t like her behaviour which can be very immature, I don’t believe that Hallie is perceiving being a woman as a novelty that will wear off. As she says, she has always been a woman trapped inside a man’s body, and I trust her on that. I think we have to respect the fact that she knows who she is at her core, and I think maybe the tantrums will naturally decrease when she has had her op and feels complete as the woman she is.


See I’m old fashioned and struggling with all this new stuff … so forgive me

What is the difference between Halle feeling like a female trapped in a male body and a guy who naturally behaves extremely femininely ?


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[Garfie]

…yeah I agree, Garfie…I think any behaviour is a part of Hallie’s character and not gender related…although, I’m not sure whether any transitioning hormone treatments might ‘enhance’ any emotional responses, I honestly don’t know…and I agree that she has to learn to consider others around her and that’s another journey she has to take…I’d like to see her interact with others more and a more positive balance that we haven’t seen yet…and especially now as she’s such a nomination target, this could be her last week in the house…

That’s a good point, Ammi. Like you, I don’t know enough about the hormone treatments when transitioning but I think it could be safe to assume they involve lowering testosterone and increasing oestrogen which could have an impact. And it is true that, during both puberty and menopause, when hormones are in a state of flux, there is a massive impact on mood and temperament. You might have hit on something there that is affecting or exaggerating her behaviour.

[ebandit]

......................ya can be really immature ............but remain respectful

hallie just seems entitled........................

Mark L

[Oliver_W]

See I’m old fashioned and struggling with all this new stuff … so forgive me

What is the difference between Halle feeling like a female trapped in a male body and a guy who naturally behaves extremely femininely ?


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Effeminate gay men are just that, while transwomen have a mental disorder called gender dysphoria. Comparable to body dysmorphia, or a disorder where someone thinks they're fat.

18 is pretty young.
Agreed, and she spent nearly three of the "growing up years" in lock down.

[Garfie]

See I’m old fashioned and struggling with all this new stuff … so forgive me

What is the difference between Halle feeling like a female trapped in a male body and a guy who naturally behaves extremely femininely ?


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I’m not an expert or anything, but I would say it’s to do with the brain and the mind. I guess the brain is telling a trans person that they are female even though their body does not conform to that message. Consequently, there is a permanent consciousness that their bodies are wrong, and often a hatred or disgust of anything in themselves that is typically male or masculine. Having watched a number of documentaries about the topic, children often start expressing this belief from a very early age (and I mean about 4-5).

When a guy is merely more effeminate rather than trans, it is a just a natural behavioural trait, but inside the guy knows he is male and feels like a man. He doesn’t question his body or have any doubts about it being right for him.

This is how I understand it anyway, but I might not be totally right because, as I said, I’m not an expert. I guess the best people to explain this would be trans people themselves, so hopefully there’s someone in the chat who might be able to offer a more accurate explanation. But hope that kind of helps.

[Zizu]

I’m not an expert or anything, but I would say it’s to do with the brain and the mind. I guess the brain is telling a trans person that they are female even though their body does not conform to that message. Consequently, there is a permanent consciousness that their bodies are wrong, and often a hatred or disgust of anything in themselves that is typically male or masculine. Having watched a number of documentaries about the topic, children often start expressing this belief from a very early age (and I mean about 4-5).

When a guy is merely more effeminate rather than trans, it is a just a natural behavioural trait, but inside the guy knows he is male and feels like a man. He doesn’t question his body or have any doubts about it being right for him.

This is how I understand it anyway, but I might not be totally right because, as I said, I’m not an expert. I guess the best people to explain this would be trans people themselves, so hopefully there’s someone in the chat who might be able to offer a more accurate explanation. But hope that kind of helps.


Thank you !


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[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Here you go: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5467571/Boy-13-needed-surgery-swallowing-magnetic-balls.html

It's 5 years ago but they were quite a feminine boy

Thank you. What a story the heck :conf:

[Cherie]

Hallie is like Olivia, just spoilt and used to getting her own way, must be a great eye opener for her and Olivia that the world does not revolve around them

[MTVN]

Thank you. What a story the heck :conf:

I think I got so hung up on seeing Hallie as a kid that I didn't appreciate how bizarre that story is :joker:

[Garfie]

yes with respect, perhaps what I wrote was a little clunky, but I do feel you're painting a slighty unfair take on what I wrote none the less. I was not questioning her gender identity in any way, just noting how different life can be for an 18 year old and how it's easy to be impulsive about things that can have long reaching consequences.

I do hope for Hallie's sake that any precautions have been taken because to arrive at 30 something and be surrounded by new borns and preschools while you yourself cannot concieve is not a situation I would imagine anyone would find pleasant

Apologies for any offence caused in the way I expressed my views - in my defence though, I responded to the statement you made describing her gender identity as a novelty which would wear off, and I can only respond to the words you write on the page, even if they’re not quite what you meant.

To be fair to Hallie, I would imagine she has felt she is female for most of her life, so the decision has probably been fully discussed with her parents and with experts, and been thoroughly thought through over a long period of time, rather than being impulsive.

In respect to her being able to conceive, she couldn’t do that whether she remains physically male or becomes a transgender woman. From my understanding, there is a very high rate of suicide amongst those who feel they are trapped in the wrong body, so I would imagine that the internal conflict about her basic identity will always be more prominent in her mind than being a biological parent.

[Underscore]

who does

[Beso]

who does

:wavey:

[Beso]

Hallie should keep her penis, and just be who she is now.

Because that person is wonderful.

[Zizu]

Hallie should keep her penis, and just be who she is now.

Because that person is wonderful.


Imagine if she gets the chop and then regrets it down the line ?


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[Zizu]

Hallie should keep her penis, and just be who she is now.

Because that person is wonderful.


The complication I can see is she will still be 6’2 “ barefoot and have size 12 plates of meat ..


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[Beso]

The complication I can see is she will still be 6’2 “ barefoot and have size 12 plates of meat ..


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You know what she says...

"I like looking at my male parts and admire them"..

No wonder, that height and those feet, she must be well hung.

No wonder Paul's so quiet.

[vesavius]

Imagine if she gets the chop and then regrets it down the line ?




SO many have. I could post a thousand 'buyer's regret' stories. Especially speaking about the lack of sexual sensation after the op, which is huge considering Hallie is holding off in that regard until after. It's not like the guy becomes a biological woman suddenly.

But, those comments in detail would get deleted or I would get a warning at least.

[Zizu]

SO many have. I could post a thousand 'buyer's regret' stories. Especially speaking about the lack of sexual sensation after the op, which is huge considering Hallie is holding off in that regard until after. It's not like the guy becomes a biological woman suddenly.

But, those comments in detail would get deleted or I would get a warning at least.


It’s got to be such a specialised operation I cant imagine too many surgeons have even attempted it !?


You’d want the worlds best guy to be messing around with your privates .. it’s not just got to look right which is vitally important it’s got to WORK and will need to be sensitive and that’s without mentioning the unmentionable …


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[fruit_cake]

She's too immature to fully get behind her but she's still keeping us entertained one way or another in her favour

[Redway]

Effeminate gay men are just that, while transwomen have a mental disorder called gender dysphoria. Comparable to body dysmorphia, or a disorder where someone thinks they're fat.


Agreed, and she spent nearly three of the "growing up years" in lock down.

Still not really close to agreeing with your belief that trans people are just mentally ill but we’ve been here before and your opinion’s clearly set.

[Oliver_W]

Still not really close to agreeing with your belief that trans people are just mentally ill but we’ve been here before and your opinion’s clearly set.

Because there's no reason for my mind to be changed :shrug:

[Redway]

Because there's no reason for my mind to be changed :shrug:

Not even the risk of coming off like a total transphobe?

[Oliver_W]

Not even the risk of coming off like a total transphobe?

I'm not transphobic, I wish them no ill.

I'm not anorexiaphobic either, or depressionphobic, etc etc.

I wouldn't stigmatise any form of mental ill-health.

[Redway]

I'm not transphobic, I wish them no ill.

I'm not anorexiaphobic either, or depressionphobic, etc etc.

I wouldn't stigmatise any form of mental ill-health.

That’s fine but where’s the exact axe to grind with trans people in your case coming from to begin with?

[Oliver_W]

That’s fine but where’s the exact axe to grind with trans people in your case coming from to begin with?

I don't have a specific axe to grind, I wouldn't talk about them at all if they didn't come up.

The only thing I have which could reasonably be called "a problem" is when women's rights for single sex spaces or sports are being suspended for transwomen.

But as for them just generally existing? You go, girl!

[GoldHeart]

I just remembered aswell , in Henry's conversation with Jordan.....he said he thinks Kerry sticks up for Hallie way too much. Jenkin & Tom were talking about Hallie's behaviour aswell in the garden. I wonder if she'll get a few noms, it's like people feel too bad to nominate her .

[vesavius]

I don't have a specific axe to grind, I wouldn't talk about them at all if they didn't come up.

The only thing I have which could reasonably be called "a problem" is when women's rights for single sex spaces or sports are being suspended for transwomen.

But as for them just generally existing? You go, girl!

This is generally my view on it all as well.

[Benjamin]

Let’s hope she goes this week :)

[GoldHeart]

Hopefully she's gone tomorrow :fc:, then Kerry will lose a bit of power.