USA: Florida & Texas bans Drag

[arista]

The Producer
Douglas Carter Beane
Playwright & Director who made a Film in 1995
and is doing a Comedy Musical now,
told bbc1AM
about how it's a battle in the USA.



No Drags in Florida or Texas
Fair enough, they have they own rules.




Sign Of The Times

[Liam-]

The same bans have already been overturned by the courts in other states as being unconstitutional, they won’t last long

[arista]

It is their right to ban them.

[Oliver_W]

No drag at all? Because that's going too far.

[fruit_cake]

why are they doing that?

[Liam-]

It is their right to ban them.

Well, they’d like to think so anyway, but it’s very clearly not as it goes against something they claim to unwaveringly support, the first amendment

[Liam-]

why are they doing that?

Because they hate gays

[fruit_cake]

Because they hate gays

Purely based on hate alone? is there any sort of end game, or is it just I hate you so I'm going to ban you..because I can vibes

[arista]

No drag at all? Because that's going too far.


In Private
no problem.


In Public - those 2 states say No.

They can perform in another state

[Oliver_W]

Purely based on hate alone? is there any sort of end game, or is it just I hate you so I'm going to ban you..because I can vibes

It seems to be an (over)reaction to drag queens being inflicted on kids.

[fruit_cake]

In Private
no problem.


In Public - those 2 states say No.

I'm not expecting you to have all the answers and this is a rhetorical question.. but where is a line drawn, because men like Donald Trump appear to me to wear just as much make up as a drag act, and his hair is certainly a story all of it's own

[arista]

Douglas Carter Beane
from America was not happy with Florida and Texas.

[Liam-]

Purely based on hate alone? is there any sort of end game, or is it just I hate you so I'm going to ban you..because I can vibes

The ultimate goal for the republicans of these states trying to take gays rights away, is to eventually get the gay marriage rights overturned, it’s all a ploy to make lgbt people second class citizens again, hidden behind religion and guise of ‘protecting’ people that don’t need to be protected

[Niamh.]

Is there a link for that Arista?

[fruit_cake]

The ultimate goal for the republicans of these states trying to take gays rights away, is to eventually get the gay marriage rights overturned, it’s all a ploy to make lgbt people second class citizens again, hidden behind religion and guise of ‘protecting’ people that don’t need to be protected

presumably they think being gay is not innate to a persons character, and therefore by watching gay things it will somehow transpose itself into that person then also becoming gay...?

which makes them gay in the first place because sexuality may be fluid to an extent but overtly heteronormative society doesn't appear to make gay people straight. :shrug:

and after all nothing breeds contempt like familiarity.

[Crimson Dynamo]

“to protect children and uphold public decency.”


:clap1:

[arista]

Is there a link for that Arista?

No
That American Director
said it live in BBC1AM


One on Florida
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Florida

[Liam-]

presumably they think being gay is not innate to a persons character, and therefore by watching gay things it will somehow transpose itself into that person then also becoming gay...?

which makes them gay in the first place because sexuality may be fluid to an extent but overtly heteronormative society doesn't appear to make gay people straight. :shrug:

and after all nothing breeds contempt like familiarity.

Yes, they believe that simply knowing or seeing that lgbt people exist, it will force people, especially children, to choose to change their entire life trajectory to become lgbt, it’s built entirely on ignorance and prejudice

[user104658]

If blackface can be banned for offensive stereotyping then "womanface" can be banned for the same reasons.

That said - I'm very aware that the actual reasoning behind these bans is far from pro-woman, and that in fact, the essence of most homphobia is rooted in underlying misogyny ("to be gay = a man being woman-like = wrong", in their minds).

[user104658]

Yes, they believe that simply knowing or seeing that lgbt people exist, it will force people, especially children, to choose to change their entire life trajectory to become lgbt, it’s built entirely on ignorance and prejudice

Not entirely, this is in effect exactly what is happening to many trans-identifying young girls [as in, biologically female transitioning to male] kids; there is an unquestionable element of social contagion, though it now seems to be waning.

I see little or zero evidence that this applies to sexuality though. Another unfortunate and unintended consequence of muddling sexuality up with gender ideology politics.

FWIW for me drag has little to do with either; it's not a gay man's right to create misogynistic caricatures of women by the virtue of it being "part of gay culture", any more than it would be OK for groups of women to get together and host competitons to see who can pretend to be the funniest stereotypical gay man.

[Crimson Dynamo]

portraying women sex mad prostitutes?



so glad its now banned

[Beso]

You cant ban drag, that's backwards and ridiculous.

[Crimson Dynamo]

drag is backwards and ridiculous.

yep

[Beso]

yep

You've been drinking or just bored..

Dont be silly, nowt wrong with a good drag act.

It's been prevelent in comedy for decades.

[Crimson Dynamo]

You've been drinking or just bored..

Dont be silly, nowt wrong with a good drag act.

It's been prevalent in comedy for decades.

so has pole dancing but do you recommend it for infants?



yes or no?

[UserSince2005]

Evil pure evil 👿

[Beso]

so has pole dancing but do you recommend it for infants?



yes or no?

No...

But drag artists in nightclubs and pubs dont involve children

And I dont think benny hill did pole dancing comedy sketches either..

[Mystic Mock]

I personally don't agree with stopping people from expressing themselves.

Most Drag performers don't harm anyone, of course like any community there will be the odd rotten apple, but it's not the majority of the community.

Freedom of expression should be fought for, not accepted because people don't like said group that's being banned.

[letmein]

If blackface can be banned for offensive stereotyping then "womanface" can be banned for the same reasons.

That said - I'm very aware that the actual reasoning behind these bans is far from pro-woman, and that in fact, the essence of most homphobia is rooted in underlying misogyny ("to be gay = a man being woman-like = wrong", in their minds).

Blackface isn’t banned in the U.S. The First Amendment is an inalienable right. Hate speech is also permitted and protected under the First Amendment. States trying to ban freedom of expression usually end up back in the courts and said laws are usually struck down because of the United Stares constitution.

[Oliver_W]

Blackface isn’t banned in the U.S. The First Amendment is an inalienable right. Hate speech is also permitted and protected under the First Amendment. States trying to ban freedom of expression usually end up back in the courts and said laws are usually struck down because of the United Stares constitution.

No reasonable person would suggest that someone shows up in blackface to teach children about equality though.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Mystic Mock]

No reasonable person would suggest that someone shows up in blackface to teach children about equality though.

If that were to happen it would happen over in the US.

For some reason they see where the UK society has problems, and the Americans are like "hold my Beer."

Thinking about it the US closely followed by the UK I could see this type of scenario happening, both countries can have some weirdo Teachers.