Was Hallie a good trans role model.

[Beso]

Yes she was.

She got this grizzly old bastard to change his mind on stuff.


What do you think though?

[Scarlett.]

I think so, she was just a normal person, people have this expectation that trans people have to be 100% perfect, she wasn't, she had her faults, she was just Hallie

[smudgie]

She was a good housemate, never really thought of her as Trans, lovely looking but her language was a bit rough.

[Zizu]

Yes she was.

She got this grizzly old bastard to change his mind on stuff.


What do you think though?


Well most people seem to hate her …so no


Millions just voted to evict her .. nuff said


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[Benjamin]

As much as she was a brat, she showed trans people are just people like everyone else.

[Kate!]

Yes.

[thesheriff443]

Did i accept her as a woman?
The answer is yes
This is bigbrother, it’s not someone being loud on a library
Did she represent the trans community in a good light?
Most definitely

[Beso]

She was a good housemate, never really thought of her as Trans, lovely looking but her language was a bit rough.

I cant remener one moment where I've went....ewww.. I
regards to hallies language .unlike my now favourite Olivia and her first 3 days.

Its a strange old show.

[Lister of Smeg]

lol

no

Hallie is a figment of her mothers imagination and i don't forsee good times ahead

Spot on only one way this ends sadly.

[Beso]

Did i accept her as a woman?
The answer is yes
This is bigbrother, it’s not someone being loud on a library
Did she represent the trans community in a good light?
Most definitely

And people say big brother has passed its sell by sherriff.:shocked:

[Redrose]

Bigger pictures at play with her.

[Mystic Mock]

Imo Hallie should be being judged as an individual, rather than what community she comes from.

That goes for the pro-Hallie & anti-Hallie camps.

[Garfie]

Yes she was.

She got this grizzly old bastard to change his mind on stuff.


What do you think though?

I think that’s great to hear. I don’t think she was the best role model, but if she enlightened people and changed their minds, she’s achieved what she wanted to. And credit to you for being open-minded and willing to have your mind changed.

[rusticgal]

But what is a good trans role model? I never saw her as a trans person…I just saw a rather fake spoiled brat. Her behaviour was over dramatic to draw attention to herself.
To say she hoped she made people proud because of her journey is one thing…but to everyone she was simply a woman that had transitioned and the reason she got evicted was more to do with her behaviour above everything else.

It’s all about the person you are…not what you have become.

[Beso]

Imo Hallie should be being judged as an individual, rather than what community she comes from.

That goes for the pro-Hallie & anti-Hallie camps.

It's why she went in the house though Mock.. thank you for your input though x

[Beso]

But what is a good trans role model? I never saw her as a trans person…I just saw a rather fake spoiled brat. Her behaviour was over dramatic to draw attention to herself.
To say she hoped she made people proud because of her journey is one thing…but to everyone she was simply a woman that had transitioned and the reason she got evicted was more to do with her behaviour above everything else.

It’s all about the person you are…not what you have become.



She still has her penis rustic. She hasnt transitioned yet..I personally hope she doesnt do it.

She has stated she admires her male parts in the mirror, so be proud of both of you, that's what I want for her.. not the surgical knife...I think,and hope bb has given her that feeling.

[rusticgal]

She still has her penis rustic. She hasnt transitioned yet..I personally hope she doesnt do it.

She has stated she admires her male parts in the mirror, so be proud of both of you, that's what I want for her.. not the surgical knife...I think,and hope bb has given her that feeling.


I don’t care if she does or doesn’t…I think she makes a very attractive female. However whatever she does it’s her behaviour she needs to work on and be herself and top being someone she isn’t.

[Beso]

I don’t care if she does or doesn’t…I think she makes a very attractive female. However whatever she does it’s her behaviour she needs to work on and be herself and top being someone she isn’t.

She was someone who hadnt ever been in big brother before.. .look at her now.

[joeysteele]

I'd say overall yes she was.

[thesheriff443]

But what is a good trans role model? I never saw her as a trans person…I just saw a rather fake spoiled brat. Her behaviour was over dramatic to draw attention to herself.
To say she hoped she made people proud because of her journey is one thing…but to everyone she was simply a woman that had transitioned and the reason she got evicted was more to do with her behaviour above everything else.

It’s all about the person you are…not what you have become.

People can be wrong about seeing someone as fake on bb

I remember thinking Pete bennet who won bb 7 was fake but when I met him he was actually the same person outside of bb as he was inside.

The only images of trans women prior to Hallie going in the house were negative ones

[PoppyC]

Yes, but not in the way she wanted to be. I think it's important to see transwomen and men doing all sorts of things. That definitely includes messing up and being human because everyone messes up in some way and we're definitely all human

[Mystic Mock]

It's why she went in the house though Mock.. thank you for your input though x

That's a fair point.

I just hope that one day we'll have a society and TV industry that cares more about the individual rather than the community said individual might be apart of.

Like I personally think that it's sad that Hallie felt like she had to go into the BB house to showcase that Trans people are just like everyone else, rather than just being an individual who is in there to try and win BB.

You're welcome though Parmnion, I love it when BB is on air because it opens up interesting debates like this.

[Mystic Mock]

People can be wrong about seeing someone as fake on bb

I remember thinking Pete bennet who won bb 7 was fake but when I met him he was actually the same person outside of bb as he was inside.

The only images of trans women prior to Hallie going in the house were negative ones

I heard that Pete was trying to help Nikki Grahame when she was still with us.

Imo whilst like you I weren't keen on him on Big Brother, that information made me change my mind on him, because society in general can be such a cold place to people suffering with eating disorders, so I'm glad that Pete appears to have been different to a lot of people who would've just saw Nikki as a weirdo.

[Beso]

That's a fair point.

I just hope that one day we'll have a society and TV industry that cares more about the individual rather than the community said individual might be apart of.

Like I personally think that it's sad that Hallie felt like she had to go into the BB house to showcase that Trans people are just like everyone else, rather than just being an individual who is in there to try and win BB.

You're welcome though Parmnion, I love it when BB is on air because it opens up interesting debates like this.

I get exactly what you are saying.

If Hallie hadnt went In and divulged her life so quickly (day 2 i think) I would still have not known any difference(bad choice of words)

But the girl I saw walk in, and the girl ai saw walk out was the exact same person, and that person just screamed wow to me.

So I've learnt not to judge books so readily when airing opinions on matters that dont directly effect me, and that's Hallies doing.

[GoldHeart]

As a hm Hallie was potty mouthed and spoilt and threw tantrums.So in general she didn't make the best impression,but she's an individual .

[Maru]

I don't feel we got to know them that to depth to give it that deep of a thought. Regardless, it's a bit awkward as a grown adult to label anyone a "role model" whom I have no direct connection with. It would be a burden for them, not a blessing.

Hallie did provide positive reasons to have a rethink on some things and I never did get the feeling they were forced on the public to the extent it normally would be, so that's a welcome shift. I knew someone pre-trans when I was much younger and their commentary and their handling of emotions was very similar. I don't even think there was a word for it then because this was well before it became trendy to transition. It was just expressed as "I'm not actually this gender", and it was a feeling that consumed them all the time. They had no exposure to trans-positive media obviously, but this was also before they were able to join any community. So it does exist outside of the pop culture phenomena.

If Hallie can walk back into her life more secure with whoever they are on the inside, that would be a net "win" in my book, because showing how it can be done without promptly being stuffed into another box is a net positive. Whatever impression they left behind would be whatever it would be, but part of a greater exposure to individuals who happen to occupy a certain group (i.e. "representation").

However, if one goes on to live a fake life on social media, then "I want to be a role model for others" was just code for aspiring celebrity lol. Nothing wrong with becoming a public figure, but that person becomes a brand. They're not an individual anymore because there will always be expectations that they present a certain way.

[Mystic Mock]

I get exactly what you are saying.

If Hallie hadnt went In and divulged her life so quickly (day 2 i think) I would still have not known any difference(bad choice of words)

But the girl I saw walk in, and the girl ai saw walk out was the exact same person, and that person just screamed wow to me.

So I've learnt not to judge books so readily when airing opinions on matters that dont directly effect me, and that's Hallies doing.

BB surprisingly can be quite good at helping people change their views on things.

Speaking for myself, I know that my worldview on certain topics have changed thanks to Big Brother (and Football lol)

[Glenn.]

The fact that most intelligent people see her as a human being and not the devil trying to do god knows what like most ignorant people do is amazing.

She has a lot of growing up to do, she’s of course very bratty but most 18yr olds are these days.

But I am glad to see that she’s changed people minds.

[Ammi]

I don't feel we got to know them that to depth to give it that deep of a thought. Regardless, it's a bit awkward as a grown adult to label anyone a "role model" whom I have no direct connection with. It would be a burden for them, not a blessing.

Hallie did provide positive reasons to have a rethink on some things and I never did get the feeling they were forced on the public to the extent it normally would be, so that's a welcome shift. I knew someone pre-trans when I was much younger and their commentary and their handling of emotions was very similar. I don't even think there was a word for it then because this was well before it became trendy to transition. It was just expressed as "I'm not actually this gender", and it was a feeling that consumed them all the time. They had no exposure to trans-positive media obviously, but this was also before they were able to join any community. So it does exist outside of the pop culture phenomena.

If Hallie can walk back into her life more secure with whoever they are on the inside, that would be a net "win" in my book, because showing how it can be done without promptly being stuffed into another box is a net positive. Whatever impression they left behind would be whatever it would be, but part of a greater exposure to individuals who happen to occupy a certain group (i.e. "representation").

However, if one goes on to live a fake life on social media, then "I want to be a role model for others" was just code for aspiring celebrity lol. Nothing wrong with becoming a public figure, but that person becomes a brand. They're not an individual anymore because there will always be expectations that they present a certain way.

…this is filled with lots of thought, a very good post..:love:…I don’t think in general that BB or any other reality shows etc are something I would think of in terms of providing any role models as such but they can and do give us ‘firsts’ and Hallie is a first in that she’s a first such very young transgender of only 18yrs old that we’ve seen in BB …we’ve obviously had transgender housemates before but not so young…so it all gives us different layers of personal life experiences but I’m not sure that I’d apply ‘role model’ to any chosen BB housemate …I mean, being transgender is something that you are as opposed to something you would aspire to be…anyway, I’m just musing…I like your post and your thoughts…

[Gusto Brunt]

[QUOTE=smudgie;11361098]She was a good housemate, never really thought of her as Trans, lovely looking .../QUOTE]Same here.

I think she has a chance to become catwalk model too.

[bots]

No-one is a role model for any group. So no

[joeysteele]

That's a fair point.

I just hope that one day we'll have a society and TV industry that cares more about the individual rather than the community said individual might be apart of.

Like I personally think that it's sad that Hallie felt like she had to go into the BB house to showcase that Trans people are just like everyone else, rather than just being an individual who is in there to try and win BB.

You're welcome though Parmnion, I love it when BB is on air because it opens up interesting debates like this.

That's an excellent set of points there Mock.
I'm in full agreement
Well said.

[Cherie]

Just saw Hallie as what she presented as, as for role model no....not sure who would want to model themselves on Halllie behaviour :shrug:

[Zizu]

Just saw Hallie as what she presented as, as for role model no....not sure who would want to model themselves on Halllie behaviour :shrug:


Exactly !!!


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[bots]

Hallie behaved like a precautious child. She isn't a role model for anything

[Zizu]

Where as she got this fake gangster accent ?

Her mum talks normally


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[Atake25]

I think so
I don’t believe you can change your sex and that a trans woman is a woman and Hallie didn’t change my opinion on that but I can respect Hallies right to live her life as a woman and she came across as a normal teen who has her strengths and weaknesses she has a lot of courage and I like her for who she is.
Often trans people you see on the internet especially TikTok are almost cartoon like with their beards and boobs claiming to be woman one day and a man the next with their they them Zi/zem pronouns , it’s nice to see a normal trans woman just being herself
Big brother often helps people change their minds and broaden their opinions of people they will never meet in real life and I think Hallie has helped the trans community by showing a genuine normal person instead the the characters you often see in the internet.