"People can have prejudices against certain things"

[vesavius]

**** off Olivia

As if people can't dislike a person past their 'thing'. This passive aggressive implied transphobia when in reality no one gives a **** unless you are forcing it is tiresome.

God, the modern accepted mindset... It drives me nuts.

[Mystic Mock]

Olivia probably thinks that will make her popular with the public.

And tbf it will give her a portion of the public on her side, but there'll be a swarm that won't have a bar of her if she keeps speaking like that.

Personally I like it when Housemates don't shy away from saying controversial stuff, as long as it's nothing evil.

[jj1994]

She made a good point though.

I completely understand what you're saying about society these days, and people do seem very sensitive but there's no denying transphobia is rife.

It wouldn't surprise me if hallies nomination was put into some TERF group and people voted to evict her without even seeing the show.

Dylan was clearly the one who should of went.

[Redrose]

Didn't find what Olivia said controversial. She was right.

[vesavius]

Didn't find what Olivia said controversial. She was right.

:amazed:

[vesavius]

She made a good point though.

I completely understand what you're saying about society these days, and people do seem very sensitive but there's no denying transphobia is rife.



Transphobia is not rife

[jj1994]

It is.

You only have to scroll through tik tok/twitter for 5 minutes when the subject is about trans people to see it.

just because you haven't been subjected to it doesn't mean it's not happening.

[vesavius]

It is.

You only have to scroll through tik tok/twitter for 5 minutes when the subject is about trans people to see it.

just because you haven't been subjected to it doesn't mean it's not happening.

Life is not defined by tiktok or Twitter.

They do not define reality

I would suggest that those platforms have skewed your perception.

[Mystic Mock]

She made a good point though.

I completely understand what you're saying about society these days, and people do seem very sensitive but there's no denying transphobia is rife.

It wouldn't surprise me if hallies nomination was put into some TERF group and people voted to evict her without even seeing the show.

Dylan was clearly the one who should of went.

Oh look I have no doubt that Transphobia (and other prejudices) are rife within society.

But on a Show like Big Brother, saying negative things about the public to do with prejudice will be divisive, rightly or wrongly.

Plus anybody that had genuine issues with Hallie will also not like being associated with Transphobes.

[jones89]

Life is not defined by tiktok or Twitter.

They do not define reality

Exactly

So we saying that if Trish got evicted it could have been racially motivated? And that when Kerry goes it’s because she’s disabled? I voted for Hallie multiple times because i wasn’t a fan of her and her attitude, plus the playing up to the cameras was getting old. Are there transphobic people out there, well duh, yes, but way to jump the gun Olivia… I think we also forget BB has had 2 trans winners before

[jj1994]

I'm well aware of that. But there are real people behind those accounts posting vile comments to be seen by the masses. The affects that can have on people is very real.

To say that there's not a large number of people who aren't transphobic out there is ignorant.

[jj1994]

Exactly

So we saying that if Trish got evicted it could have been racially motivated? And that when Kerry goes it’s because she’s disabled? I voted for Hallie multiple times because i wasn’t a fan of her and her attitude, plus the playing up to the cameras was getting old. Are there transphobic people out there, well duh, yes, but way to jump the gun Olivia… I think we also forget BB has had 2 trans winners before

I think you're missing the point Olivia was trying to make.

She wasn't saying the sole reason for Hallie being evicted was being trans. She was saying that might of influenced some of the voting i.e. a portion of the votes she received may have been made made because she was trans.

[vesavius]

Oh look I have no doubt that Transphobia (and other prejudices) are rife within society.

Present, which I agree, is not the same as rife. Rife is pure hyperbole. The existence of 'transphobia' is vastly exaggerated.

But on a Show like Big Brother, saying negative things about the public to do with prejudice will be divisive, rightly or wrongly.

But that's just it, I don't accept it's about prejudice.

Hallie got the boot because she was a PITA, no more no less.

Nothing to do with trans.

I voted for Nadia, but would never vote for Hallie.

[vesavius]

Exactly

I think we also forget BB has had 2 trans winners before

BB has always had the most progressive audience... Way before it was mainstream. You can't be a fan of the show and not be that. I hate this new move to suggest that we are somehow 'ist'.

[Mystic Mock]

Present, which I agree, is not the same as rife. Rife is pure hyperbole. The existence of 'transphobia' is vastly exaggerated.



But that's just it, I don't accept it's about prejudice.

Hallie got the boot because she was a PITA, no more no less.

Nothing to do with trans.

I voted for Nadia, but would never vote for Hallie.

I think Transphobia is more present than other prejudices in society imo, sure it's exaggerated to an extent, but I think that it's more common than I personally would like to see, especially on places like YouTube.

But tbf I don't want them silenced either, I personally believe debating with these people why your view is correct is the best way to go on topics like Trans issues.

And tbf I have no reason to not believe you, you haven't made a Transphobic comment from what I've seen of your posts, because I do believe that you can dislike a Trans person without being Transphobic.

I mean what's been said about Hallie on Social Media? Because that will give an indication of what the main reason the public decided to vote Hallie out.

[vesavius]

I think Transphobia is more present than other prejudices in society imo,

I have been part of the gay/ trans scene literally all my life... From the 80's until now. From being a young child I was around trans people. I was raised in a gay working girl household.

Hatred of trans is, right now, at an all-time low. It might be amplified due to social media, but it really isn't what it used to be. It has mainstream acceptance.

There is zero comparison between being in that scene back then and now... watch 'The Naked Civil Servant' for a primer.

I personally believe debating with these people why your view is correct is the best way to go on topics like Trans issues.

Me too. I always welcome good-faith conversations.

[Redrose]

I think you're missing the point Olivia was trying to make.

She wasn't saying the sole reason for Hallie being evicted was being trans. She was saying that might of influenced some of the voting i.e. a portion of the votes she received may have been made made because she was trans.

Jenkins was right as well. Don't try and make out that trans is the new gay. In certain countries like Iran gay men are forced to transition.

[vesavius]

Jenkins was right as well. Don't try and make out that trans is the new gay. In certain countries like Iran gay men are forced to transition.

In Palestine they are thrown off roofs.

[Mystic Mock]

I have been part of the gay/ trans scene literally all my life... From the 80's until now. From being a young child I was around trans people. I was raised in a gay working girl household.

Hatred of trans is, right now, at an all-time low. It might be amplified due to social media, but it really isn't what it used to be. It has mainstream acceptance.

There is zero comparison between being in that scene back then and now... watch 'The Naked Civil Servant' for a primer.



Me too. I always welcome good-faith conversations.

I agree that the Trans community has probably the most support that it's ever received nowadays, but I also think that it has more people not liking them than ever before, essentially a marmite community imo.

What's The Naked Civil Servant? I'm gathering not a very nice thing gathering from your post.:laugh:

And same here, it's nice to have a conversation without people viewing each other as evil for simply having a different opinion.

I wish that the Internet in general can be more like this thread.

[vesavius]

What's The Naked Civil Servant? I'm gathering not a very nice thing gathering from your post.

It's on YT :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlxn3F2tIWg

I wish that the Internet in general can be more like this thread.

Same! :)

[Atake25]

Olivia probably thinks that will make her popular with the public.

And tbf it will give her a portion of the public on her side, but there'll be a swarm that won't have a bar of her if she keeps speaking like that.

Personally I like it when Housemates don't shy away from saying controversial stuff, as long as it's nothing evil.
It did , twitter is furious with Chanelle for daring to say she was voted out because she was unpopular I was shocked by how many people are calling her a transphobe now

[BB-Germany]

I do not know if she is completely right in this case as Hallie has "evicted housemate" written all over her with that behaviour, but I respect Olivia for speaking out

[Alf]

She made a good point though.

I completely understand what you're saying about society these days, and people do seem very sensitive but there's no denying transphobia is rife.

It wouldn't surprise me if hallies nomination was put into some TERF group and people voted to evict her without even seeing the show.

Dylan was clearly the one who should of went.TERFphobia is rife.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It was a hive-mind virtue signalling "performance"

she did not believe it but she did think of she said it people would admire her

[daniel-lewis-1985]

**** off Olivia

As if people can't dislike a person past their 'thing'. This passive aggressive implied transphobia when in reality no one gives a **** unless you are forcing it is tiresome.

God, the modern accepted mindset... It drives me nuts.

I can pull up Twitter now and show you that what Olivia said is true. There’s so many people out there who dislike someone simply because they’re trans. The Facebook mothers are the worst.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I can pull up Twitter now and show you that what Olivia said is true. There’s so many people out there who dislike someone simply because they’re trans. The Facebook mothers are the worst.

and they are fans of the BB and vote?

because that is what this thread is about

[Garfie]

Oh look I have no doubt that Transphobia (and other prejudices) are rife within society.

But on a Show like Big Brother, saying negative things about the public to do with prejudice will be divisive, rightly or wrongly.

Plus anybody that had genuine issues with Hallie will also not like being associated with Transphobes.

100% agree with this. I don’t carry any prejudices against trans people, but would have voted Hallie due to her attitude and behaviour, which I see as quite separate to her identity.

I’m sure Olivia is right in that a minority of viewers might have voted Hallie because she is trans, however she seemed to be suggesting that it would have been a much greater majority, and nearly tipped into a conspiracy theory with what she said. To me, that is an insult, and a misjudgment of most of the audience.

She seemed to show no recognition that Hallie’s annoying behaviour might have been a reason for her eviction, and I wonder if that was because doing so would make her feel vulnerable as she has displayed some very similar behaviour at times.

[vesavius]

She seemed to show no recognition that Hallie’s annoying behaviour might have been a reason for her eviction.

Exactly.

"People only voted for Hallie because they are transphobic" is such a ridiculous thing to say. She more than earned her votes.

I hate the overuse and misuse of that term by malicious mouth breathers so much.

[jones89]

Call a woman a woman these days and you somehow end up a transphobe… BUT yh, if she was the nicest girl in there and loved by all the public it would be a bit suspicious that she got evicted.. but she just wasn’t very likeable and very annoying, that’s what it boils down to…

[caprimint]

So true :clap1:

[daniel-lewis-1985]

and they are fans of the BB and vote?

because that is what this thread is about

Yes. People who watch and comment on the show nightly. Transphobes who refused to call Hallie HER and openly stated they were “voting him out”.

[Lostie!]

Transphobia is not rife

It absolutely is.

I don't think Hallie was evicted due to transphobia, I voted for her and I'm definitely not, but to say transphobia isn't a problem right now is just flat out incorrect.

[Ammi]

It absolutely is.

I don't think Hallie was evicted due to transphobia, I voted for her and I'm definitely not, but to say transphobia isn't a problem right now is just flat out incorrect.

…this exactly for me also…with regards to transphobia specifically being a reason for Hallie’s eviction, though…which were the thoughts of Olivia that it may be…?…I was looking in another site at a poll result of Pleased or Disappointed that Hallie was evicted…?…and although it was indeed a close result, the majority vote was that fans were disappointed…and here also, in who out of the three would you want to see evicted…?….the majority voted Dylan to go, ideally….I'm guessing that because Olivia liked Hallie on a personal level…?…that she overlooked behaviours that viewers weren’t overlooking and what votes are based on through a series…

[daniel-lewis-1985]

and they are fans of the BB and vote?

because that is what this thread is about

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[Redrose]

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He's the same gay man who was hounded out of a pride event.

[fruit_cake]

I don't buy that at all, I think Hallie was voted out for being an annoying entitled brat for a large percentage of her time in the house

Actually I think Olivia is actually the one who is transphobic, she brought it up when it clearly wasn't an issue for anyone. News flash Olivia, people don't like annoying brats, you can't blame being trans to ease your conscience!!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes. People who watch and comment on the show nightly. Transphobes who refused to call Hallie HER and openly stated they were “voting him out”.

sorry you know they watch?

how

[daniel-lewis-1985]

sorry you know they watch?

how

Yes. They live tweet along with the episodes. I find it baffling that you would deny these type of bigots exist in 2023

[GoldHeart]

**** off Olivia

As if people can't dislike a person past their 'thing'. This passive aggressive implied transphobia when in reality no one gives a **** unless you are forcing it is tiresome.

God, the modern accepted mindset... It drives me nuts.

Notice how she never talked about ' Prejudices ' when an Asian Muslim woman was first evicted or a Thai bloke second , she's full of BS :crazy: . For once Jenkin said something sensible ...when he said how ridiculous it was.

[Redrose]

Yes. They live tweet along with the episodes. I find it baffling that you would deny these types of bigots exist in 2023

I agree 5727

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes. They live tweet along with the episodes. I find it baffling that you would deny these type of bigots exist in 2023

do you have evidence they watch BB rather than try to inflame the situation with rhetoric?

[Redrose]

yes. They live tweet along with the episodes. I find it baffling that you would deny these types of bigots exist in 2023

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[Beso]

She did back it up by saying people who dont even watch the show will have voted against haillie solely because she is trans.

And she was correct, many people will have.

[Glenn.]

You only have to take a trip to serious debates to see transphobia.

[Benjamin]

There defo will have been people who voted her out purely for being trans. But that would be a minority. The majority voted her because she’d acted like a brat.

[bots]

There defo will have been people who voted her out purely for being trans. But that would be a minority. The majority voted her because she’d acted like a brat.

i would say as a demographic, the BB audience would be one of the most supportive around given their previous voting history over the years

[Beso]

[QUOTE=GoldHeart;11363660]Notice how she never talked about ' Prejudices ' when an Asian Muslim woman was first evicted or a Thai bloke second , she's full of BS :crazy: . For once Jenkin said something sensible ...when he said how ridiculous it was.[/QUOTE


They actually discussed both those hms in the same conversation.

[Beso]

There defo will have been people who voted her out purely for being trans. But that would be a minority. The majority voted her because she’d acted like a brat.

It was all the husbands pissed off at their wives who wont let them watch football cause bb is on.

All the wives loved her, but their votes to save her by voting the other 2 were cancelled out by the bitter husbands, sat sniggering to themselves on their, and only theirs, armchairs.

[PoppyC]

I could be remembering wrong, but wasn't Olivia asked directly by BB why Hallie was voted out of the house?

She had to say something and she might not have wanted to say anything negative about Hallie. It's easier to criticise the faceless public.

I agree that what she said is unlikely to be true, or at least not on a big enough scale to affect the vote