Will Paul finally got a warning?

[Raxton]

For the transphobic joke
Or will BB just hide it again from the highlights tonight

In last night live feed, he..
Named a skeleton Hallie & make a "decoration" in between it's legs

[bots]

did he break a rule? If not, why would he get a warning

[Crimson Dynamo]

:facepalm:

[Raxton]

did he break a rule? If not, why would he get a warning

Well kerry got one from the gay slur that she said

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well kerry got one from the gay slur that she said

sorry what are you accusing paul of doing?

[Zizu]

For the transphobic joke
Or will BB just hide it again from the highlights tonight

In last night live feed, he..
Named a skeleton Hallie & make a "decoration" in between it's legs


That’s extremely distasteful at best !!

It may even kick up a proper stink outside the house ..


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[bots]

all he is guilty of, in my opinion, is having the intellectual level of a child

[Garfie]

That’s extremely distasteful at best !!

It may even kick up a proper stink outside the house ..


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Insensitive, unwise and not appropriate at all. A bad decision on his part, and I believe a warning will be forthcoming.

P.S. Zizu, I can’t always receive or watch live feed, and I really appreciate your little summaries of what is happening, so just wanted to say thank you. I think your posts are great too.

[Crimson Dynamo]

perhaps the op was seeing something that was not actually implied

[joeysteele]

BB is a great experiment in my view.

However if people cannot express themselves how they wish and in the house, have to watch what they say or do.
Then it would make it pointless.

Yes there's rules and they need to follow them.
However we need to see as much of the real thinking and people they are, not like programmed robots.

I really cannot see what Paul has done wrong.
In fact he is in my view the perfect type of BB housemate.
Because he can be a bit out of any norm.

[Cherie]

We need to see the clip to judge

[MTVN]

If it was as been portrayed he'll be lucky to get away with just a formal warning

[MTVN]

https://twitter.com/stevejholloway/status/1718813824306827301?s=46

[Cherie]

https://twitter.com/stevejholloway/status/1718813824306827301?s=46

oh that looks very bad tbf

[bots]

why would a grown adult do that?

[Liam-]

They won’t give him a warning or even show it on air, they’ll hide it along with his other ignorant transgressions in there

[OnTheRight]

Jeez, people go out their way to get offended.
It was a crude joke, that's all.

[Black Dagger]

People really do just love to be contrarians on here for the sake of it don’t they.

[vesavius]

I mean, it's extremely puerile and unnecessary, but it isn't 'transphobic'.

I will be glad when she is forgotten, tbh. I am over having everything negative said about her being painted as being that.

[Ray.]

Is it really transphobia to make a statement of fact in a joking tone? Don't get me wrong, I have no ill will towards Hallie at all, but at what point is 'transphobia' crossing over into a blatant denial of reality? I mean, Hallie does have a dick. Really, the only thing here that rankles me is being friendly with someone and then making a joke behind their back that you know wouldn't be appreciated by them at all.

[Ashley.]

Is it really transphobia to make a statement of fact in a joking tone? Don't get me wrong, I have no ill will towards Hallie at all, but at what point is 'transphobia' crossing over into a blatant denial of reality? I mean, Hallie does have a dick. Really, the only thing here that rankles me is being friendly with someone and then making a joke behind their back that you know wouldn't be appreciated by them at all.

But it's not just a joke - it's mocking another person's insecurities. And they did it because Hallie's transgender, not because Hallie has a penis. They could've named the skeleton after Zak, Dylan, Tom etc. but they didn't. They specifically chose Hallie, and they specifically chose to give the skeleton a penis, rather than a pair of breasts or a wig.

And even putting aside the argument about whether or not it's transphobic, it's just incredibly immature, really. Christ I mean even just discussing the matter gives me second hand embarrassment.

[Redrose]

The house looked so cosy last night for Halloween. Can't wait to see the task. Jordan thinks it has 3 parts to it.

[Ray.]

But it's not just a joke - it's mocking another person's insecurities. And they did it because Hallie's transgender, not because Hallie has a penis. They could've named the skeleton after Zak, Dylan, Tom etc. but they didn't. They specifically chose Hallie, and they specifically chose to give the skeleton a penis, rather than a pair of breasts or a wig.

And even putting aside the argument about whether or not it's transphobic, it's just incredibly immature, really. Christ I mean even just discussing the matter gives me second hand embarrassment.

Fair points. But making jokes and mocking another person's insecurities are not mutually exclusive concepts. Otherwise, insult comedy wouldn't be a thing. I mean some would say the entire basis of comedy is transgressing social norms.

Right now, it's considered counter-cultural, in its own way, to reject what appears to be an enforced acceptance (via public shaming and 'cancelling', etc.) of transsexualism in everyday life. I suppose ultimately it comes down more to a discussion of why certain types of people should be considered a protected class who aren't allowed to be made fun of over notable attributes.

But that's not a discussion that I personally have the energy for. :joker: Ideally the BB house, imo, would be a place where people are allowed to say what they think and properly communicate what they feel, with no policing of language. But I know that's a bit of a pipe dream.

[Zizu]

Insensitive, unwise and not appropriate at all. A bad decision on his part, and I believe a warning will be forthcoming.

P.S. Zizu, I can’t always receive or watch live feed, and I really appreciate your little summaries of what is happening, so just wanted to say thank you. I think your posts are great too.


You are welcome


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[Zizu]

I mean, it's extremely puerile and unnecessary, but it isn't 'transphobic'.

I will be glad when she is forgotten, tbh. I am over having everything negative said about her being painted as being that.


I see where you’re coming from as I couldn’t abide Halle either but they did appear to be mocking or making fun of her and her body - so when does that cross over from a bit of fun to being transphobia?


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[bots]

at a minimum it is utterly juvenile.

[Cherie]

But it's not just a joke - it's mocking another person's insecurities. And they did it because Hallie's transgender, not because Hallie has a penis. They could've named the skeleton after Zak, Dylan, Tom etc. but they didn't. They specifically chose Hallie, and they specifically chose to give the skeleton a penis, rather than a pair of breasts or a wig.

And even putting aside the argument about whether or not it's transphobic, it's just incredibly immature, really. Christ I mean even just discussing the matter gives me second hand embarrassment.

Exactly, I think that was pretty brutal of them really, she is only 18, I think the Class of 23 in Benidorm will be parked by the time they all leave

[Ammi]

….I’d like to have seen some of the conversation in the house that we’re had with Hallie regarding her transgender journey…Jordan mentions them in the DR, that h they had been interesting and he loved learning about her life …but we didn’t see any of those after her initial reveal to the house…well, in the highlight shows, anyway…maybe in live feed, I didn’t see any mentioned though…

…anyway, it would just have shown how any earnest interest shown through them and then to mock her in that way…

[Ammi]

…Paul felt very aggrieved and very angry and very judged etc with even the mention of him having a girlfriend…and felt them so ‘out of order’ to have mentioned anything he felt was personal and it wasn’t touched in in any mocking way and ‘laughing at’ something so personal…

[Raxton]

We got clips..https://twitter.com/iko__9/status/1718985439384613063?t=nDt48ObJkXcciQ1Xs0j-KA&s=19

It was not aimed at Hallie, but they did refer the skeleton as a she

[MTVN]

Okay well that puts a different slant on it, they didn't name the skeleton Hallie after all it seems

[vesavius]

We got clips..https://twitter.com/iko__9/status/1718985439384613063?t=nDt48ObJkXcciQ1Xs0j-KA&s=19

It was not aimed at Hallie, but they did refer the skeleton as a she

Calling it a she and then giving it a dick seems almost progressive.

[Cherie]

I have no idea what is going on there

[Crimson Dynamo]

that shows nothing but them all horsing around

what is it meant to show?

[Zizu]

We got clips..https://twitter.com/iko__9/status/1718985439384613063?t=nDt48ObJkXcciQ1Xs0j-KA&s=19

It was not aimed at Hallie, but they did refer the skeleton as a she


Someone said they named the skeleton Halle !?!?


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[Zizu]

Okay well that puts a different slant on it, they didn't name the skeleton Hallie after all it seems


Maybe not in that clip but maybe in the four hours of live feed last night ??

Where did the suggestion come from
!?


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[Benjamin]

Maybe not in that clip but maybe in the four hours of live feed last night ??

Where did the suggestion come from
!?


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People lie. And people believe it. Look at the whole Trish ate ten lamb chops at 2am comment on here people jumped on, when we all knew she cooked them and several housemates ate them at 2am. :laugh:

[Cherie]

Maybe not in that clip but maybe in the four hours of live feed last night ??

Where did the suggestion come from
!?


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it came from the OP

poiler:

Named a skeleton Hallie & make a "decoration" in between it's legs

[MTVN]

Maybe not in that clip but maybe in the four hours of live feed last night ??

Where did the suggestion come from
!?


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I think someone misheard or misinterpreted because Yinrun mentions Hallie's name there but it seems to be referring to something different

[Ray.]

Do you mean to tell me that someone made up a lie about a housemate, and people here automatically accepted it because it added to their own confirmation bias?

But that's never happened before lol

[Benjamin]

Do you mean to tell me that someone made up a lie about a housemate, and people here automatically accepted it because it added to their own confirmation bias?

But that's never happened before lol

:laugh:

[ebandit]

.............sorry! paul

Mark L

[Zizu]

The thick plottens !!


Complaints have been received by offcom

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-12688297/amp/Big-Brother-fans-demand-Paul-REMOVED-house-immediately-amid-claims-disgusting-transphobic-slur-ejected-housemate-Hallie-24hr-live-stream.html


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[Ammi]

Do you mean to tell me that someone made up a lie about a housemate, and people here automatically accepted it because it added to their own confirmation bias?

But that's never happened before lol

…:fan:…

[Zizu]

The thick plottens !!


Complaints have been received by offcom

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-12688297/amp/Big-Brother-fans-demand-Paul-REMOVED-house-immediately-amid-claims-disgusting-transphobic-slur-ejected-housemate-Hallie-24hr-live-stream.html


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Big Brother fans demand Paul is 'REMOVED from house immediately' amid claims he made 'disgusting transphobic slur' about ejected housemate Hallie on 24hr live stream

Big Brother fans were left raging on Sunday evening over comments allegedly made by Paul Blackburn on the ITV show's 24-hour live stream.

The security officer, 23, has been accused by viewers of making a transphobic slur about ejected housemate Hallie Clarke, 18, during a new Halloween challenge.
The house has been adorned with Halloween decorations, including skeletons around the living areas and garden - one
of whom was mocked up with oranges fashioned as breasts and an appendage seemingly added to resemble a penis.

A number of Twitter users claimed Paul was heard calling the skeleton Hallie - in the wake of the trans teen, who left the show on Friday, informing the house that she was planning to undergo Feminising Genital Surgery.

After viewers tweeted about the story on the microblogging site, fans soon swarmed with messages insisting he should be dismissed immediately if he had made the 't
ransphobic' comments, while others called upon Ofcom to act .


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[Ammi]

I think someone misheard or misinterpreted because Yinrun mentions Hallie's name there but it seems to be referring to something different

…I’m pretty sure that I’ve seen something actually when Hallie’s name was mentioned…(…what I thought…)…was discussing the skeleton’s boobs…(…Paul did make the skeleton a female…)…and I think that it was said that he used oranges …then something was said that I couldn’t quite hear ….and then Olivia said something about Paul having felt Hallie’s boobs or some such thing…I thought that clip was in this thread but maybe not….that was the mention of Hallie I think, though ….and how it referenced…

[Crimson Dynamo]

…I’m pretty sure that I’ve seen something actually when Hallie’s name was mentioned…(…what I thought…)…was discussing the skeleton’s boobs…(…Paul did make the skeleton a female…)…and I think that it was said that he used oranges …then something was said that I couldn’t quite hear ….and then Olivia said something about Paul having felt Hallie’s boobs or some such thing…I thought that clip was in this thread but maybe not….that was the mention of Hallie I think, though ….and how it referenced…

"Paul did make the skeleton a female"

you cant make a skeleton a female

that skeleton is either a male or female skeleton and adding fruit wont change that im afraid

:joker:

[Ammi]

…actually I just looked back at the clip above, the Twitter one and that’s not how it was at all …:laugh:…it was Yinrun who mentioned Hallie’s name and said that (either Paul or Olivia…)…had felt Hallie’s often enough, but I don’t know what exactly she was referring to…anyway, Olivia was trying to distance herself and saying it was all Paul…and that Yinrun would be shocked or similar wording…

[GoldHeart]

If it was as been portrayed he'll be lucky to get away with just a formal warning

Paul is being protected by BB , back in BB8 didn't Ziggy say the N word and it wasn't aired...he just got a warning as he was singing a rap song or something.