Black on Black Crime

[Crimson Dynamo]

What did you make of that statement?

'Two evictions in the same amount of days. What's with the black on black
crime?

'Please explain yourselves right now because you're smiling at me I don't
know what you're smiling about! I never thought it would be the only two
other black people in the house!'


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[bots]

it was the equivalent of black people should stick together no matter what and that raises more questions than it answers

[Niamh.]

It's entitled and racist and if it were a white HM saying that an other white HM shouldn't nominate them there would be uproar

[rusticgal]

Just commented on this on another thread.

I a house full of diversity I thought his comments were a disgrace....if it was the other way around there would be uproar.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

I understand why he is saying that but at the same time was this a discussion they had before. Like I am not sure if I've ever seen him sit with either Noky or Trish to have a conversation in general about random things (unless BB didn't show it) . Black men love to ignore black women until nobody is in their corner Lmao

[GlitterUK]

I just think he is really hurt, I expect him to apologise for the way he went about it at some point.

[Niamh.]

I understand why he is saying that but at the same time was this a discussion they had before. Like I am not sure if seen him sit with either Noky or Trish to have a conversation. Black men love to ignore black women until nobody is in their corner Lmao

Surely though in the environment they're in, it should be about personalities and who you get along with not what race you are. And expecting someone to not nominate you because your skin is the same colour over someone you might actually like or get along with more is the height of entitlement

ETA - And he's nominated Trish before so does that logic only apply to nominating him?

[thesheriff443]

Just one of millions of men in the world that put their mouths in gear without engaging their brain or what bit of a brain they have

[thesheriff443]

Surely though in the environment they're in, it should be about personalities and who you get along with not what race you are. And expecting someone to not nominate you because your skin is the same colour over someone you might actually like or get along with more is the height of entitlement

I think it comes from inherited racism towards white people

[Niamh.]

I think it comes from inherited racism towards white people

He's half white though

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Surely though in the environment they're in, it should be about personalities and who you get along with not what race you are. And expecting someone to not nominate you because your skin is the same colour over someone you might actually like or get along with more is the height of entitlement

Of course that is a general rule-stick with who you relate to. You're not going to get on with everyone even they're black doesn't mean you'll get on but at the same time, black people, because of the racism and disadvantages we may/have experienced in predominately white or other environments, there is this unspoken rule that we stick up for eachother no matter what. Dylan thought this was the case here. If he wanted it to be the case he should have made it more obvious thought he wanted a "one for all" alliance.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

He's half white though

Mixed raced people kind of have it tough too. They're not white enough for some white people and not black enough for some black people. Mixed raced people have some privileges that 100% black people don't have.

[Niamh.]

Of course that is a general rule-stick with who you relate to. You're not going to get on with everyone even they're black doesn't mean you'll get on but at the same time, black people, because of the racism and disadvantages we may/have experienced in predominately white or other environments, there is this unspoken rule that we stick up for eachother no matter what. Dylan thought this was the case here. If he wanted it to be the case he should have made it more obvious thought he wanted a "one for all" alliance.

Well that's all well and good but he's nominated Trish before so his logic falls to pieces right there :laugh:

[Cherie]

it was the equivalent of black people should stick together no matter what and that raises more questions than it answers

shocking statement and really he should be out on his ear for saying it

[Niamh.]

Mixed raced people kind of have it tough too. They're not white enough for some white and not black enough for some black. Mixed raced people have some privileges that 100% black people don't have.

Sure, what I meant by that though is that half of his family must be white (unless he's not in contact with them/doesn't like them for some reason)

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Well that's all well and good but he's nominated Trish before so his logic falls to pieces right there :laugh:

Oop! Someone should pull him up on that.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Hopefully, bros before hoes will still be solid in the house?

If not Dylan is in for another shock :laugh:

[bots]

it's actually not dissimilar to Olivia being offended that her friend nominated her (even though she didn't) but she did expect Noky to have her back. They all have expectations

[thesheriff443]

He's half white though

He was speaking on behalf of the black half

Just a joke bro

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Sure, what I meant by that though is that half of his family must be white (unless he's not in contact with them/doesn't like them for some reason)

Some mixed raced people see themselves as black and others as mixed.

His girlfriend is white. I wonder what his friends circle is like too. I bet they're all white lads and another black dude, with zero black female friends but then he wants to bully 2 black women into supporting him. :bawling:


(Of course I could be wrong but there's a lot of black dudes like that these days :laugh: )

[Crimson Dynamo]

it's actually not dissimilar to Olivia being offended that her friend nominated her (even though she didn't) but she did expect Noky to have her back. They all have expectations

i know

just because they sleep close :joker:

[GlitterUK]

I like the fact neither were prepared to move out of the bed.

[Niamh.]

Oop! Someone should pull him up on that.

Yeah just double checked, he literally nominated her last time when he, Hallie and Trish were up :laugh:

(of course none of them will know that so can't pull him up)

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yeah just double checked, he literally nominated her last time when he, Hallie and Trish were up :laugh:

(of course none of them will know that so can't pull him up)

they should play that to the house

[MTVN]

I like the fact neither were prepared to move out of the bed.

Yeah same haha. I am actually a bit sad for their friendship and sympathise with Olivia more than Dylan. I hope they make up on tonight's show

[Niamh.]

Some mixed raced people see themselves as black and others as mixed.

His girlfriend is white. I wonder what his friends circle is like too. I bet they're all white lads and another black dude, with zero black female friends but then he wants to bully 2 black women into supporting him. :bawling:


(Of course I could be wrong but there's a lot of black dudes like that these days :laugh: )

Well, he's already shown himself to be hypocritical by saying what he said having just voted for her in the last set of nominations

[Niamh.]

they should play that to the house

That would be hilarious :laugh:

[vesavius]

What did you make of that statement?

'Two evictions in the same amount of days. What's with the black on black
crime?

'Please explain yourselves right now because you're smiling at me I don't
know what you're smiling about! I never thought it would be the only two
other black people in the house!'

I physically cringed when he said it.

I was still pretty neutral on Dylan before this episode but now is is firmly in dickhead territory.

[bots]

Yeah same haha. I am actually a bit sad for their friendship and sympathise with Olivia more than Dylan. I hope they make up on tonight's show

i'm sure they will make up after they have nominated each other :laugh:

[Niamh.]

i'm sure they will make up after they have nominated each other :laugh:

I don't think Noky will nominate Olivia actually, Olivia may nominate her though

[bots]

how could anyone remain angry at Noky, it's just not possible :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I don't think Noky will nominate Olivia actually, Olivia may nominate her though

:fc:

[Niamh.]

:fc:

It's certainly going to be very interesting to see this weeks set though, that's for sure :laugh:

[ebandit]

..........surprised it took so long for such a thread to appear...........................

dylan was angry.............he's not the brightest..........so we get................

Mark L

[Beso]

Lets be honest here, if noky and trish wernt both black there is no way they would be as close.

[Zizu]

I don't think Noky will nominate Olivia actually, Olivia may nominate her though


Agreed

It’s 6 against 6 in the nomination war but Noky could be weak and not nominate anyone from downstairs

That will prove costly for her though as she’s obviously gonna be up for eviction and she’s probably just not popular enough at the moment to survive

Give her another week hanging out with the upstairs crew and she could be a contender


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[Zizu]

Lets be honest here, if noky and trish wernt both black there is no way they would be as close.


It’s taken them nearly three WEEKS to get this close though sooooooooooo


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[rusticgal]

Surely though in the environment they're in, it should be about personalities and who you get along with not what race you are. And expecting someone to not nominate you because your skin is the same colour over someone you might actually like or get along with more is the height of entitlement

ETA - And he's nominated Trish before so does that logic only apply to nominating him?


Oh yes...what a hypocrite.

[XTINA]

It's entitled and racist and if it were a white HM saying that an other white HM shouldn't nominate them there would be uproar

Very true Niamh

Surely that comment should be treat as racist....just shows the mindset though that they have.

[caprimint]

Such a mess, the fact black people expect other black people to stick together is racist in itself and colour/race should NEVER be a part of any gameshow. It's happened this year on The Challenge USA, BBUSA and Survivor USA to an extent. Trish won the argument with her response.

[caprimint]

It's entitled and racist and if it were a white HM saying that an other white HM shouldn't nominate them there would be uproar
Exactly

[GoldHeart]

It's entitled and racist and if it were a white HM saying that an other white HM shouldn't nominate them there would be uproar

Exactly pure entitlement and hypocritical arrogance.


Plus Dylan just looks even more like a big dummy as he nominated Trish ,the week previously:facepalm: . It seems race only comes into it when his neck is on the block,but it's perfectly fine for him to nominate Trish twice now and now Noky .

So by that logic he's the one causing quote ' black on black crime ' , he's such a bully and a tool :bored:

[GoldHeart]

Sure, what I meant by that though is that half of his family must be white (unless he's not in contact with them/doesn't like them for some reason)

Plus his partner/ gf is white , I honestly think there's some deep root issues there. Trish had him sussed from the beginning....she was right about him trying to stereotype her aswell,he had it in for her ever since Zak left and she was cooking sausages.

Then in the ant task...he was only blaming her despite the fact Olivia was the one mostly shouting about " sexism" ,even Chanelle jumped on the bandwagon and blamed Trish :suspect:.

Dylan is the type of man who expects Noky & Trish to have his back,as he thinks he's this big 'alpha', but he never returns the favour and if he really believed in sticking together....then why did he always have a problem with Trish in the kitchen ,and he pretty much threw her under the bus in the ant task argument. The guy only cares about himself . He's a delusional tw@t .

[Redrose]

I would never nominate another lgbt person in the house unless they were that token one who was a lapdog to the straight group.

[GoldHeart]

I would never nominate another lgbt person in the house unless they were that token one who was a lapdog to the straight group.

Jenkin nominated Hallie , people can nominate who they want. I find it ridiculous when people bring up identity politics....I get it in some situations,but this is just another way for Dylan to play the victim...as his precious ego can't take it. Plus he nominated Trish previously:crazy: .

He doesn't take being nominated well, last time he joked about spitting in their food . The guy needs to grow up and act his age . He's embarrassing and he's a tw@t .

[vesavius]

Jenkin nominated Hallie , people can nominate who they want. I find it ridiculous when people bring up identity politics....I get it in some situations,but this is just another way for Dylan to play the victim...as his precious ego can't take it. Plus he nominated Trish previously:crazy: .

He doesn't take being nominated well, last time he joked about spitting in their food . The guy needs to grow up and act his age . He's embarrassing and he's a tw@t .

This

[Niamh.]

I would never nominate another lgbt person in the house unless they were that token one who was a lapdog to the straight group.

Why even go into the BB house if you're so closed minded and closed off to the possibility of forming relationships with people outside your own little group?

[Niamh.]

Jenkin nominated Hallie , people can nominate who they want. I find it ridiculous when people bring up identity politics....I get it in some situations,but this is just another way for Dylan to play the victim...as his precious ego can't take it. Plus he nominated Trish previously:crazy: .

He doesn't take being nominated well, last time he joked about spitting in their food . The guy needs to grow up and act his age . He's embarrassing and he's a tw@t .

100%

[vesavius]

I would never nominate another lgbt person in the house unless they were that token one who was a lapdog to the straight group.

Wow, who knew where you like to rub your junk defines you as a person and dictates who you should side with... Not that you should make that choice based on their character or actions.

I would never side with or go against someone based on their sexual preference. Let alone if I thought that they were an 'identity group traitor' because they got on with people in general. That, to me, is just ridiculous... It would be as ridiculous as choosing to be friends with anyone based on skin colour or any other immutable characteristic.

It would make me feel like a bigot.

[fruit_cake]

I wouldn't like to suggest what Dylan should or shouldn't have said based on skin colour as a white person not subjected to the racist undertones that society imposes on people.

it may have seemed unreasonable to me but I don't know where precisely Dylan was coming from to say such a thing and as someone who has not experienced racism I think it would be wise to give lots of room to this particular issue

[Niamh.]

I wouldn't like to suggest what Dylan should or shouldn't have said based on skin colour as a white person not subjected to the racist undertones that society imposes on people.

it may have seemed unreasonable to me but I don't know where precisely Dylan was coming from to say such a thing and as someone who has not experienced racism I think it would be wise to give lots of room to this particular issue

Dylan himself had already nominated Trish just the previous week so what he was saying was a load of BS, he wasn't even playing by his own rules and he's trying to hoodwink Trish into thinking he was

[GoldHeart]

I actually wish BB would play his previous nominations now ,to show how stupid and hypocritical he is .

[Ray.]

I wouldn't like to suggest what Dylan should or shouldn't have said based on skin colour as a white person not subjected to the racist undertones that society imposes on people.

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[fruit_cake]

Dylan himself had already nominated Trish just the previous week so what he was saying was a load of BS, he wasn't even playing by his own rules and he's trying to hoodwink Trish into thinking he was

yes I would just like to here a full explanation first of why Dylan's first point of call was to say such a thing..?

[Redrose]

Why even go into the BB house if you're so closed minded and closed off to the possibility of forming relationships with people outside your own little group?

You're the closed-minded one. I can see it from Dylan's point of view. Henry grew up in the Cotswolds. I'm from the most deprived part of England so our experiences as gay people wouldn't have been the same. "Little group" you know nothing about my friends so keep your mouth shut.

[Niamh.]

You're the closed-minded one. I can see it from Dylan's point of view. Henry grew up in the Cotswolds. I'm from the most deprived part of England so our experiences as gay people wouldn't have been the same. "Little group" you know nothing about my friends so keep your mouth shut.

By "little group" I meant if you were in the BB house in a group of random LGBT people, i wasn't claiming to know you or your friends, I was simply responding to stuff you'd just posted here when you said you wouldn't nominate other LGBT people...... Also this is a public forum I won't be "keeping my mouth shut"

[vesavius]

You're the closed-minded one. I can see it from Dylan's point of view. Henry grew up in the Cotswolds. I'm from the most deprived part of England so our experiences as gay people wouldn't have been the same. "Little group" you know nothing about my friends so keep your mouth shut.

:nono::nono::nono:

[Redway]

I understand why he is saying that but at the same time was this a discussion they had before. Like I am not sure if I've ever seen him sit with either Noky or Trish to have a conversation in general about random things (unless BB didn't show it) . Black men love to ignore black women until nobody is in their corner Lmao

True. I appreciate the sub-cultural nuances (probably more than most on this thread) but still. No-one’s entitled to be in the house indefinitely just because of shared skin colour.

[Redway]

He was speaking on behalf of the black half

Just a joke bro

Joke or not, that’s exactly what the guy was doing.

[GoldHeart]

yes I would just like to here a full explanation first of why Dylan's first point of call was to say such a thing..?

He didn't care about race when he targeted Trish in the cooking situation or the ant task ..hmm funny that :whistle: . He only cares about himself !.

[fruit_cake]

He didn't care about race when he targeted Trish in the cooking situation or the ant task ..hmm funny that :whistle: . He only cares about himself !.

that may be true, but his own guilt does not mean he is 'fair game' to receive the same treatment

[GoldHeart]

You're the closed-minded one. I can see it from Dylan's point of view. Henry grew up in the Cotswolds. I'm from the most deprived part of England so our experiences as gay people wouldn't have been the same. "Little group" you know nothing about my friends so keep your mouth shut.

I'm sure you have plenty of friends with that attitude :umm2: .

[Redway]

He didn't care about race when he targeted Trish in the cooking situation or the ant task ..hmm funny that :whistle: . He only cares about himself !.

Unfortunately a lot of black men only want that kind of treatment to be applied to black people as a whole when they’re involved. A lot of black men do not have other black people’s backs when they’re not directly involved.

[GoldHeart]

Unfortunately a lot of black men only want that kind of treatment to be applied to black people as a whole when they’re involved. A lot of black men do not have other black people’s backs when they’re not directly involved.

Yeah Dylan was a massive hypocrite, who had a bad temper.

It's actual unfortunate how much he fell from grace ,I thought he was a decent guy in the early weeks. Then the moment Zak left....he switched:bored: .

I liked his reaction when he got evicted though ,when they shouted " Get Dylan out" , and he was like " ok I'm coming " lol . I think he knew he messed up ,but his ego was still bruised.

[Redway]

Yeah Dylan was a massive hypocrite, who had a bad temper.

It's actual unfortunate how much he fell from grace ,I thought he was a decent guy in the early weeks. Then the moment Zak left....he switched:bored: .

I liked his reaction when he got evicted though ,when they shouted " Get Dylan out" , and he was like " ok I'm coming " lol . I think he knew he messed up ,but his ego was still bruised.

Dylan’s just that kind of guy.

The guy’s mixed race anyway. Personal racial affiliation is up to him (some mixed-race people see themselves as black, others just see themselves as mixed) but that kind of community affiliation he’s expecting/feels entitled to isn’t an inborn unanimous entitlement. As far as a lot of people are concerned mixed-race (black-and-white mixed) are just that if they’re not even up to 3/4 black (as far as you can tell; go back far enough and you’ll see most people are mixed with a little something). A lot of black men love, love, love to throw the black women who defend them thanklessly in mixed spaces under the ’bus and a lot of them aren’t trying to even regard their fellow males as worth a dime (sometimes even disqualifying for jobs at the expense of their white and Asian counterparts when they’re the most qualified and competent in the room) so if they’re not getting half-fair/decent (let-alone preferential) treatment, why should Dylan who’s only mixed race? He ain’t even black like that.

A lot of men of colour who have some of these mindsets taken to another level are their own worst enemy.

[Mystic Mock]

it was the equivalent of black people should stick together no matter what and that raises more questions than it answers

It sounds a little racist tbh.

[Mystic Mock]

It's entitled and racist and if it were a white HM saying that an other white HM shouldn't nominate them there would be uproar

Kyle from one of the BBUSA years got called KKKyle by the public for suggesting something similar to your hypothetical scenario.

[Mystic Mock]

Some mixed raced people see themselves as black and others as mixed.

His girlfriend is white. I wonder what his friends circle is like too. I bet they're all white lads and another black dude, with zero black female friends but then he wants to bully 2 black women into supporting him. :bawling:


(Of course I could be wrong but there's a lot of black dudes like that these days :laugh: )

People's friends can be whoever they want imo.

Personally speaking people should never make friends just to tick a box, imo that's probably more prejudiced.

[Mystic Mock]

I wouldn't like to suggest what Dylan should or shouldn't have said based on skin colour as a white person not subjected to the racist undertones that society imposes on people.

it may have seemed unreasonable to me but I don't know where precisely Dylan was coming from to say such a thing and as someone who has not experienced racism I think it would be wise to give lots of room to this particular issue

It's a racist comment from him.

If he himself has suffered racism then I do feel sorry for him on that, but he shouldn't imo be trying to play a gameshow with racist ideology.

[Redway]

It's a racist comment from him.

If he himself has suffered racism then I do feel sorry for him on that, but he shouldn't imo be trying to play a gameshow with racist ideology.

Less-so racist and more entitled, Mock. I don’t really believe in reverse-racism (discrimination/prejudice but not true societal racism) but yeah. It wasn’t a smart comment.

On the topic of alleged racism, I hate black people’s negative racial experiences being minimised and there’s a huge amount of cultural gaslighting and ignorance that a lot of people are guilty of (which absolutely needs to be addressed and stamped out) but I just think that some or those experiences have contributed to a lot of black people having a more cynical attitude towards the average white person than they need to, because they’re so used to seeing white people as inherently racist. So a lot of clannish stick-together-at-all-costs tendencies come from that.

[Gusto Brunt]

it was the equivalent of black people should stick together no matter what and that raises more questions than it answers

That's what I thought Dylan was referring to in his rant. Nothing else.

[Mystic Mock]

Less-so racist and more entitled, Mock. I don’t really believe in reverse-racism (discrimination/prejudice but not true societal racism) but yeah. It wasn’t a smart comment.

Imo it's a bit of both entitlement and prejudice.

At least his gameplan was like that, obviously irl I don't know the guy, but hopefully he doesn't think that all black people should just stick together because of the colour of their skin.

Personality should be coming into play.

[Redway]

Imo it's a bit of both entitlement and prejudice.

At least his gameplan was like that, obviously irl I don't know the guy, but hopefully he doesn't think that all black people should just stick together because of the colour of their skin.

Personality should be coming into play.

Black people don’t always extend mercy and stick with each other anyway (tribalism for one thing can be a huge issue) and like I said that’s with people who are fully black. When you’re literally half and half you can’t expect black people to automatically see and treat you as exactly the same. Like you say it’s more about personalities and worth as housemates than the colour of their skin anyway. If you’re in, you’re in and if you’re booted out you’re out. Whether you’re black, white, yellow or purple. It’s not about that.

[Mystic Mock]

Black people don’t always extend mercy and stick with each other anyway (tribalism for one thing can be a huge issue) and like I said that’s with people who are fully black. When you’re literally half and half you can’t expect black people to automatically see and treat you as exactly the same. Like you say it’s more about personalities and worth as housemates than the colour of their skin anyway. If you’re in, you’re in and if you’re booted out you’re out. Whether you’re black, white, yellow or purple. It’s not about that.

Do Mixed race communities still face a lot of prejudice?

I knew it was bad back in my School days, but that was nearly a decade ago now, which makes me feel pretty old.:laugh:

[Benjamin]

I would never nominate another lgbt person in the house unless they were that token one who was a lapdog to the straight group.

What a ridiculous thing to say.

If I didn’t get along with the person, regardless of sexuality, I’d nominate them.

[Redway]

Do Mixed race communities still face a lot of prejudice?

I knew it was bad back in my School days, but that was nearly a decade ago now, which makes me feel pretty old.:laugh:

I don’t know. It’s hard to say on anything other than an individual basis. But they ain’t getting it as bad as fully black people have been known to. No way.

[vesavius]

Less-so racist and more entitled, Mock. I don’t really believe in reverse-racism (discrimination/prejudice but not true societal racism)


Nor do I. 'Reverse racism' is a ridiculous term.

It's just racism.

I don't subscribe to the redefining of the term 'racism' to having to include the 'systemic' element, which was only done in order only benefit and give power to specific groups and exclude others.

[Redway]

Nor do I. 'Reverse racism' is a ridiculous term.

It's just racism.

I don't subscribe to the redefining of the term 'racism' to having to include the 'systemic' element, which was only done in order only benefit and give power to specific groups and exclude others.

Your words, not mine. That’s not what I’m saying.

[vesavius]

Your words, not mine. That’s not what I’m saying.

Absolutely. It's what I am saying.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Why is this topic the longest running thread? I thought it died 2 pages ago?:conf: Let me read...

[vesavius]

Why is this topic the longest running thread? I thought it died 2 pages ago?:conf: Let me read...

Yeah, it was necroed :joker:

[Redway]

Why is this topic the longest running thread? I thought it died 2 pages ago?:conf: Let me read...

People will always have things to say about race-related issues (and I’m not talking about silly bait). Our experiences shape how we think about these things and some people will be closer to a certain mark than others but there’s an open dialogue to be had about Dylan and just the way he is generally. You could go on all day.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Such a mess, the fact black people expect other black people to stick together is racist in itself and colour/race should NEVER be a part of any gameshow. It's happened this year on The Challenge USA, BBUSA and Survivor USA to an extent. Trish won the argument with her response.

Actually it's a bit more complex than just "let's stick together because we're black". This comes from the lived experiences that as black people majority of the time we're picked last when it matters. Individually, people may find black people entertaining and like them but it's rare to see black people triumph all the way to the end. This translates to every area; at work, abroad- like in some places of the world when you see another black personality you breathe a sigh of relief and nod hahah or if you're a terrible person you see them as competition. But anyway my point is it's a bit more deeply rooted than just "we have the same skin colour let's stick together" Deep rooted FOMO "if we're not rooting for eachother who will be"

Not necessarily defending Dylan here, I didn't like him and I think he handled the whole thing terribly but I am just saying I understand.


A look back at bb winners.


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[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Yeah, it was necroed :joker:

:laugh:

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

People will always have things to say about race-related issues (and I’m not talking about silly bait). Our experiences shape how we think about these things and some people will be closer to a certain mark than others but there’s an open dialogue to be had about Dylan and just the way he is generally. You could go on all day.

Fair enough

[Mystic Mock]

I don’t know. It’s hard to say on anything other than an individual basis. But they ain’t getting it as bad as fully black people have been known to. No way.

Oh historically especially fully black people have had a really rough ride, along with the Jewish community imo.

[UserSince2005]

Wait Dylan is black? I thought he was just a unsophisticated embarrassing old white man :laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

Actually it's a bit more complex than just "let's stick together because we're black". This comes from the lived experiences that as black people majority of the time we're picked last when it matters. Individually, people may find black people entertaining and like them but it's rare to see black people triumph all the way to the end. This translates to every area; at work, abroad- like in some places of the world when you see another black personality you breathe a sigh of relief and nod hahah or if you're a terrible person you see them as competition. But anyway my point is it's a bit more deeply rooted than just "we have the same skin colour let's stick together" Deep rooted FOMO "if we're not rooting for eachother who will be"

Not necessarily defending Dylan here, I didn't like him and I think he handled the whole thing terribly but I am just saying I understand.


A look back at bb winners.


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Tbf to BB on the winners front.

The UK has a 3% Black population as a whole, so the likelihood then from that 3% to have someone not just audition for Big Brother, but to then be so popular with the public that they win the whole thing is very low, I mean you could argue that they could've had slightly more winners (especially during BB6) with how iconic some of the black contestants were in that year, and Charley Uchea being the star of BB8 (which ironically was still won by a black person anyway) but it's unreasonable to expect black contestants to be getting a similar win ratio to white winners when white people outnumber black people 10x over in the country's overall population.

I mean tbf Asians have only had one BB winner if you include CBB, and they are the second biggest population in the UK with 7%, which admittedly is a poor showing for them that black people are competing at the same level despite not even half of the population numbers in the UK compared to the Asian demographic.

[Redway]

Oh historically especially fully black people have had a really rough ride, along with the Jewish community imo.

Yeah, there’s no doubt about that. None whatsoever.

There’s no point getting into politics here but there’s also no point denying how bad and ugly anti-black racism and anti-Semitism are inherently. Sometimes it’s just a case of cultural ignorance which isn’t maliciously intended, like when (I’m just throwing out random examples) black people KMT/kiss their teeth or store jollof rice they cooked in ice-cream tubs like Nigerian mums stereotypically do and some of the white people around them not only just don’t get it or the sub-cultural context but go around telling people they’re mega-weird and tapped in the head for just acting like a lot of normal black Brits with strong inherited sub-cultural niches and habits. Sometimes likewise it’s just a case of pretending like Hitler was actually a decent guy and running off with a few anti-Semitic jokes off the back of that (it’s alright when it happens on Family Guy because they take the piss out of literally everyone and everything) but however it’s meant stuff like that can do serious damage to your mental health and the way affected people then navigate around a certain type of white space, creating more barriers but based on understandable negative experiences with people who just don’t vibe with you and are very keen to point that out.

When people’s cultural habits and positive generational customs (it doesn’t matter how assimilated they are into just regular mainstream British culture or where they were born because cultural quirks and attitudes do tend to rub off to at least a certain extent, and that’s actually needed for preservation) are mocked and pathologised off the bat, you’re not really going to feel comfortable and over time you might well start to become more cynical, bitter and angry about the way you view white people and/or non-Jews if you’ve been affected by all that crap one-too-many times. Or maybe it only happened to you the once but the extent of the raggedy-ness was so bad that you ain’t going to let it go. So modern racial ignorance (if not outright racism) isn’t just about pointing out non-existent micro-aggressions (because a lot of black people do truly see white people and the way they interact with them in certain spaces as more racist than they are, and it’s a shame) and trying to make everyone an ally for anti brutality from cops in the States based on George Floyd’s experience (although that’s another thing in itself). It’s not about waiting to be called the n-word or a monkey for having plantain and Maggi cubes in your cupboard either. Sometimes it’s a level of gaslighting and disrespect for certain unspoken sub-cultural boundaries that can make a lot of black people give up on wanting or expecting to be accommodated by white people altogether (except quality entertainment/TV that doesn’t have strong racial undertones either way), which like I kind of implied before (or even said directly and outright) adds to that clannish only-stick-with-your-own-kind mentality.

But as you said all this is with more fully black people. Mixed race people are literally neither here nor there when it comes to things like this. They get a little bit of it and historically there’s been a lot of vile stuff written about interracial marriages/inter-breeding (wasn’t even legal at one point) but nothing on the magnitude of anti-black racism or anti-Semitism. Unless they’re very dark-skinned mixed race (skin tone can vary with 50-50s from very light to very dark) and look properly black they ain’t getting treated as inherently badly as black-black people have been. Unless they’re Jewish or Muslim, they’re not really getting any ethno-religious persecution either. Black mandem/gyal-dem are more likely to accept a mixed race person as one of their own than white people (some people actually still go by the one-drop rule, which is kinda racist in itself) but it shouldn’t have to come to that anyway. All you share in common are certain experiences, cultural convergence and upbringing similarities. Everyone’s still their own person regardless of colour or creed.

[Redway]

Wait Dylan is black? I thought he was just a unsophisticated embarrassing old white man :laugh:

There’s just a certain tragic unfunny-ness about you.

[Benjamin]

I mean tbf Asians have only had one BB winner if you include CBB, and they are the second biggest population in the UK with 7%, which admittedly is a poor showing for them that black people are competing at the same level despite not even half of the population numbers in the UK compared to the Asian demographic.

Who was that?

[Redway]

Who was that?

He’ll be talking about Shilpa Sherry.

And to be fair Mock that’s just numbers and people are more than just statistics to make up and fill the token-count. It doesn’t work like that. If it just so happens that black people are more likely to apply for Big Brother than Asians/British Asians (and Asia’s a massive continent full of different nations, not a monolithic conglomerate) and it reflects in the amount of black vs. Asian housemates, then it just so happens. I don’t think it reflects poorly on anyone at all.

[Benjamin]

Ahhh of course, Shilpa. :love: