playing devil's advocate on the paul situation..

[fruit_cake]

When Paul and Olivia were chatting, they were right - Noky uses Trish to fight her battles for her. A real friend of Trish would have seen her getting emotional and stopped her from engaging with Paul.. which led to her accusing him of Bullying which for me is a step too far.

Noky left Trish to fend for herself, running away to the DR

And regarding Paul being a bully....
was Paul being a dickhead yes
Being an absolute twit yes
Bullying? no I don't think so. Bullying is a word that is way over used and to call that bullying detracts from real situations where people find themselves in desperate situations

[Zizu]

Errrr no


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[GlitterUK]

BB have been doing a hachet job on Paul since the start. As soon as Farida went they needed to set someone up and it was him. He has been one of the biggest characters on the show. If the live feed was 24 hours things would be different.

The fact he has left yet fans are still talking about him speaks volumes. ...they are obsessed! and this is what makes a memorable housemate, people love to hate.

[thesheriff443]

He tryed to intimidate her
Walking back up stairs he looked at noky and said what are you looking at in an aggressive manner

He told Trish you don’t scare me, she replied I’m a 5ft 1 woman I don’t scare anyone

If if stayed in that house for longer thing would of escalated

[GlitterUK]

She may be 5ft 1 but her mouth is bigger than that alone.

[Cherie]

Trish asked Noky what had been said then took it on herself to engage with Paul, Noky is not responsible for how Trish conducts herself, Noky had already responded to Paul, Trish loves to get involved in everything, she took it upon herself to speak to Jordan when Henry is perfectly capable of speaking to Jordan himself


I dont know if you watch L&L Fruity but Trish did clarify to Paul in a clip that she spoke out of turn and should have said he 'was acting like a bully' rather than that he was a bully

[thesheriff443]

She may be 5ft 1 but her mouth is bigger than that alone.

Yes her mouth has you call it made paul look incredibly small

[GlitterUK]

She offered to speak on Henrys behalf she like the houses mega phone.

[thesheriff443]

She offered to speak on Henrys behalf she like the houses mega phone.

It takes a bigger and better person to speak their mind than sit in silence

[A8473]

BB have been doing a hachet job on Paul since the start. As soon as Farida went they needed to set someone up and it was him. He has been one of the biggest characters on the show. If the live feed was 24 hours things would be different.

The fact he has left yet fans are still talking about him speaks volumes. ...they are obsessed! and this is what makes a memorable housemate, people love to hate.

The only one that has done a hatchet job on him is himself.

BB doesn’t put the words in his mouth. Doesn’t make him act like a brute. Doesn’t make him intimidate others. He’s not evil. But he really over stepped the line with his behaviour when either things weren’t going ‘his way’ or his gangs way.

[fruit_cake]

Noky is not responsible for how Trish conducts herself

ah no I haven't seen L&L that does explain it a little better thanks Cherie, also I agree with this, I just wonder if Noky despite speaking a caring, genuine, empathetic game.. doesn't really walk it. Her actions and her words don't necessarily match, in my opinion

[fruit_cake]

BB have been doing a hachet job on Paul since the start. As soon as Farida went they needed to set someone up and it was him. He has been one of the biggest characters on the show. If the live feed was 24 hours things would be different.

The fact he has left yet fans are still talking about him speaks volumes. ...they are obsessed! and this is what makes a memorable housemate, people love to hate.

I do think they've made Paul into a villain but his actions at Yinrun's party were pathetic and embarrassing. He's only himself to blame

[fruit_cake]

He tryed to intimidate her
Walking back up stairs he looked at noky and said what are you looking at in an aggressive manner

He told Trish you don’t scare me, she replied I’m a 5ft 1 woman I don’t scare anyone

If if stayed in that house for longer thing would of escalated

is that fair though although Paul is clearly an intimidating person, but he's never crossed any boundaries in that respect, unless you include throwing things during Yinrun's party, which would be a fair thing to say

[GlitterUK]

He was going out with a bang. He knew his time was up.

[thesheriff443]

is that fair though although Paul is clearly an intimidating person, but he's never crossed any boundaries in that respect, unless you include throwing things during Yinrun's party, which would be a fair thing to say

In think you take the word intimidation far to lightly

He wanted to make noky especially to scared to confront him

[GlitterUK]

Noky doesn't have to go against him, when she just has to wind up Trish and set her free.

[thesheriff443]

Noky doesn't have to go against him, when she just has to wind up Trish and set her free.

That’s not how it happened
Noky stood up to that prick in the ant task and when he was walking up stairs staring at noky and said what you looking at she replied you obviously

[Zizu]

Noky doesn't have to go against him, when she just has to wind up Trish and set her free.


It’s over now you can start watching without the blinkers ..

Enjoy


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[MTVN]

Trish asked Noky what had been said then took it on herself to engage with Paul, Noky is not responsible for how Trish conducts herself, Noky had already responded to Paul, Trish loves to get involved in everything, she took it upon herself to speak to Jordan when Henry is perfectly capable of speaking to Jordan himself


I dont know if you watch L&L Fruity but Trish did clarify to Paul in a clip that she spoke out of turn and should have said he 'was acting like a bully' rather than that he was a bully

Exactly, I find this idea that Noky could 'use' Trish bizarre. I mean firstly none of this would have happened if Paul hadn't acted like a dick in front of the whole house (so it's not like he was just a thing between Noky and him) and then Trish will react how she wants to react

As for her running to the DR it was implied last night that BB had called Noky there to check she was okay rather than her choosing to go there

[MTVN]

In think you take the word intimidation far to lightly

He wanted to make noky especially to scared to confront him

That’s not how it happened
Noky stood up to that prick in the ant task and when he was walking up stairs staring at noky and said what you looking at she replied you obviously

Agreed

[vesavius]

The fact he has left yet fans are still talking about him speaks volumes. ...they are obsessed! and this is what makes a memorable housemate, people love to hate.

It's still only the day after... Of course we are still talking about him.

We won't even remember his name by Monday.

[Garfie]

When Paul and Olivia were chatting, they were right - Noky uses Trish to fight her battles for her. A real friend of Trish would have seen her getting emotional and stopped her from engaging with Paul.. which led to her accusing him of Bullying which for me is a step too far.

Noky left Trish to fend for herself, running away to the DR

And regarding Paul being a bully....
was Paul being a dickhead yes
Being an absolute twit yes
Bullying? no I don't think so. Bullying is a word that is way over used and to call that bullying detracts from real situations where people find themselves in desperate situations

I’m in absolute agreement with all you say here.

Regarding Paul, he was mainly throwing rolled up cling film. Yes, he was very unpleasant to Noky and I cannot condone that. It was unnecessary and a little bit intimidating.

I have to agree with your view of Noky, though, and it seemed to me during her conversation on live feed that she was trying to garner back support from Olivia by distancing herself from Trish. It did make me wonder why she hadn’t chosen Olivia to join her in the task, considering she shares a bed with her, which suggests a greater closeness. And, until the fall-out from the killer noms task, we had barely seen Noky with Trish and the upstairs crowd, choosing Olivia and that group instead.

Part of me does wonder whether Noky is playing a very clever game in order to ensure her path to the final.

[Garfie]

It takes a bigger and better person to speak their mind than sit in silence

I have to agree with that, in particular, when it is something that truly matters to the person or in regards to the principles they live by.

That’s not to say people should speak out in a way that intentionally hurts others or just to be vindictive.

And there are times when it’s better to pick your battles carefully, rather than fight every one.

[Zizu]

I have to agree with that, in particular, when it is something that truly matters to the person or in regards to the principles they live by.

That’s not to say people should speak out in a way that intentionally hurts others or just to be vindictive.

And there are times when it’s better to pick your battles carefully, rather than fight every one.


Trish is who she is though


She’s going to help someone out ( as she has done time after time )

She doesn’t calculate


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[Garfie]

Trish is who she is though


She’s going to help someone out ( as she has done time after time )

She doesn’t calculate


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I absolutely agree with you regarding Trish, Zizu. I don’t believe she is calculated in the least. To me, Trish is led by passion and principle and is willing to defend those who can’t, or don’t, defend themselves. I truly admire that about her, as well as a long list of other positive qualities she possesses. This is real and she is genuine.

I think that was why, after seeing Noky had been crying over the Paul situation, she felt the need to protect and defend her, hence standing by her principles.

And I’m sorry, Zizu, as I know you love her, so please don’t detest me for this, but I don’t quite trust or believe in Noky, in the same way as I do Trish.

[Garfie]

Trish is who she is though


She’s going to help someone out ( as she has done time after time )

She doesn’t calculate


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I wasn’t referring to Trish here, but to people who make vindictive comments or provoke arguments for the sake of it. Or those that argue over trivial things that are not worth arguing over.

[MTVN]

I’m in absolute agreement with all you say here.

Regarding Paul, he was mainly throwing rolled up cling film. Yes, he was very unpleasant to Noky and I cannot condone that. It was unnecessary and a little bit intimidating.

I have to agree with your view of Noky, though, and it seemed to me during her conversation on live feed that she was trying to garner back support from Olivia by distancing herself from Trish. It did make me wonder why she hadn’t chosen Olivia to join her in the task, considering she shares a bed with her, which suggests a greater closeness. And, until the fall-out from the killer noms task, we had barely seen Noky with Trish and the upstairs crowd, choosing Olivia and that group instead.

Part of me does wonder whether Noky is playing a very clever game in order to ensure her path to the final.

Noky was always a bit of a floater though and didn't want to be attached to either group in particular. She even said herself that that is often seen as 'game playing' but in fact it's a terrible way to play the game because you get targeted by both sides as we saw by her getting nominations early from the likes of Jordan and Yinrun but also being treated really badly by Paul. So I don't think it's a game tbh

As for the choice for the secret task I thought it would be between Trish and Olivia but I wasn't surprised by Trish because she does trust her a lot more. We did see Noky and her together before that, they'd referred to this 'big sister' relationship a couple of times and Noky was the one comforting Trish when she was upset in the ant task.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

When Paul and Olivia were chatting, they were right - Noky uses Trish to fight her battles for her. A real friend of Trish would have seen her getting emotional and stopped her from engaging with Paul.. which led to her accusing him of Bullying which for me is a step too far.

Noky left Trish to fend for herself, running away to the DR

And regarding Paul being a bully....
was Paul being a dickhead yes
Being an absolute twit yes
Bullying? no I don't think so. Bullying is a word that is way over used and to call that bullying detracts from real situations where people find themselves in desperate situations

Rest. He is a bully. "What are you looking at?" is a bully's favorite line. Exercising their perceived authority when they know what the fook the person is looking at. Giving it large I hope he cried in the hotel talmbout "nobody likes me:bawling: "

[Liam-]

Noky isn’t using Trish, Trish is just very happy and willing to stand up for herself and her friends if she thinks they’re being wronged, there is nothing wrong with that in the slightest

[rusticgal]

Trish asked Noky what had been said then took it on herself to engage with Paul, Noky is not responsible for how Trish conducts herself, Noky had already responded to Paul, Trish loves to get involved in everything, she took it upon herself to speak to Jordan when Henry is perfectly capable of speaking to Jordan himself


I dont know if you watch L&L Fruity but Trish did clarify to Paul in a clip that she spoke out of turn and should have said he 'was acting like a bully' rather than that he was a bully



Hmmm I kind of disagree to an extent...yes Trish did ask Noky what Paul had said to her as she saw her upset....I personally would like to have seen Noky say to Trish just leave it.... I thought it was a bit weak of Noky to leave the whole situation and just leave Trish to it. Its not the first time she has sat back and let Trish fight her battle.
Also Trish asked Henry if he wanted her to speak to Jordan and he said yes...she didnt just do it off her own back.

I like Trish but she's either going to keep gaining popularity by being vocal or it could go against her if she fights everyones battles.
Noky...lovely dignified lady but she needs to get a bit of backbone, Shes quite opinionated but when people bite back she becomes a blubbering mess.

[Zizu]

I absolutely agree with you regarding Trish, Zizu. I don’t believe she is calculated in the least. To me, Trish is led by passion and principle and is willing to defend those who can’t, or don’t, defend themselves. I truly admire that about her, as well as a long list of other positive qualities she possesses. This is real and she is genuine.

I think that was why, after seeing Noky had been crying over the Paul situation, she felt the need to protect and defend her, hence standing by her principles.

And I’m sorry, Zizu, as I know you love her, so please don’t detest me for this, but I don’t quite trust or believe in Noky, in the same way as I do Trish.


It’s fine


I don’t love Noky at all .. I just think she’s a delicate soul who’s probably never had to deal with repulsive indifference like Paul , Tom , Jenkin Olivia before

Or if she’s come across one she would have been able to ignore or walk away from them

She’s been bullied, antagonised and unsettled in there and had no way of getting away from them


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[rusticgal]

I’m in absolute agreement with all you say here.

Regarding Paul, he was mainly throwing rolled up cling film. Yes, he was very unpleasant to Noky and I cannot condone that. It was unnecessary and a little bit intimidating.

I have to agree with your view of Noky, though, and it seemed to me during her conversation on live feed that she was trying to garner back support from Olivia by distancing herself from Trish. It did make me wonder why she hadn’t chosen Olivia to join her in the task, considering she shares a bed with her, which suggests a greater closeness. And, until the fall-out from the killer noms task, we had barely seen Noky with Trish and the upstairs crowd, choosing Olivia and that group instead.

Part of me does wonder whether Noky is playing a very clever game in order to ensure her path to the final.



I also found it a little disturbing when I saw Olivia and Noky chatting and what they were saying.
It seems Noky took herself off to the Upstairs gang with Trish because she did not like being around Paul...it seems now Paul has gone she is going to start aligning herself back with Olivia and her vile crew...shes playing a very clever and dangerous game.

[bots]

I know I've done it plenty times in the past, if i see someone suffer what i believe is an injustice, i step in and say something. I consider it the right way to behave. I only ever came a cropper once and got a punch in the face for it :laugh:

[jones89]

It’s the “oh you’re just strange, you’re weird” comments for me… you were the adult man just throwing a strop over not getting invited to a party yh? I see you ! clown

[Ammi]

Rest. He is a bully. "What are you looking at?" is a bully's favorite line. Exercising their perceived authority when they know what the fook the person is looking at. Giving it large I hope he cried in the hotel talmbout "nobody likes me:bawling: "

…I agree with CeeCee…Paul displayed bullying behaviour and not just as a one time thing…/…he’s obviously not the only one as there was a pack mentality with regards to Chanelle for talking to the ‘the can’t talk to them group’…so she had to be ‘punished’ and iced out…that’s a typical playground bullying thing…as is…(…as CeeCee has said…)…’what/who you looking at…’…it’s diverting and trying to assume a power position over someone who is felt to be ‘ a weaker’ …bullying behaviour comes in many layers, it’s not a one size all specific thing …and Paul was displaying some of those layers…even with the sneak peek vid yesterday, the title referred to behaviour as bullying…and maybe possibly also why the live feed was cut, while it was all being looked into ….

…so far as Noky choosing Trish for the task as opposed to Olivia, for instance…?…I’m not sure how long she would have had to choose a ‘possessed’…(..I would think…)…that she would also think of who she felt would be best for a task partner …but also, whatever reason…she was choosing for a task, she didn’t know what the task was…she didn’t know anything that it would lead to in terms of any hostility …she just chose the person she felt would do the task well with her so that they passed, surely….

[Garfie]

I also found it a little disturbing when I saw Olivia and Noky chatting and what they were saying.
It seems Noky took herself off to the Upstairs gang with Trish because she did not like being around Paul...it seems now Paul has gone she is going to start aligning herself back with Olivia and her vile crew...shes playing a very clever and dangerous game.

rusticgirl! I’m glad I’m not the only one who got that impression!

I think she might choose to keep a foot in both camps, and doing so will either take her to the final or get her evicted. And I don’t even mind if she is playing a game, and manipulating others, but I’d just like her to be upfront with the audience about it.

She’s going to have to play things very carefully though, as the week before killer noms, she had received 3 votes, strangely from Chanelle, Henry and from one of the evicted housemates. By last week, it was clear that mistrust had formed in other housemates from both sides of the divide. The question is can she turn that around before the next set of noms?

[Garfie]

I know I've done it plenty times in the past, if i see someone suffer what i believe is an injustice, i step in and say something. I consider it the right way to behave. I only ever came a cropper once and got a punch in the face for it :laugh:

I admire you for this, bots, and would do the same. I think it’s almost an instinctive thing. Sorry to hear you got punched for trying to do the right thing!

[MTVN]

It’s the “oh you’re just strange, you’re weird” comments for me… you were the adult man just throwing a strop over not getting invited to a party yh? I see you ! clown

Yeah that's also quite typical bullying behaviour, trying to isolate someone for being 'weird' and making them doubt themself

Also Paul had literally spent all night staring at the others from upstairs yet Noky looking at him being a dickhead is 'weird behaviour'

[Zizu]

I also found it a little disturbing when I saw Olivia and Noky chatting and what they were saying.
It seems Noky took herself off to the Upstairs gang with Trish because she did not like being around Paul...it seems now Paul has gone she is going to start aligning herself back with Olivia and her vile crew...shes playing a very clever and dangerous game.


Hopefully just trying to build bridges and maybe rekindle their friendship


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[Zizu]

Yeah that's also quite typical bullying behaviour, trying to isolate someone for being 'weird' and making them doubt themself

Also Paul had literally spent all night staring at the others from upstairs yet Noky looking at him being a dickhead is 'weird behaviour'


Just before the Live Feed stopped last night

This is a rough transcript


Noky tried to explain to the festering four that she had spent more time with the upstairs lot this week because she felt like she had to stay away from Paul - for her own safety and well being



It did highlight that good old Paul had been getting at Noky for quite some time and her choices were to hide away from Paul or walk !

That’s bullying in my view !!


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[caprimint]

It's not even devil's advocate imo lol it's common sense.

Calling someone a bully here is ridiculous, it's a word which gets thrown around pointlessly now. Paul barely even acknowledges Noky :joker: Saying he thinks she's fake isn't bullying her, it's his opinion and the others have had the same thoughts (Jordan/Henry), the only difference is that they didn't say it to her. And if you notice, Noky always takes a backseat in any confrontation, just like when Trish/Dylan were arguing and SHE was actually the one who nominated him not Trish but she didn't speak up, she just let them go at it and stayed out of it.

[Zizu]

Noky isn’t using Trish, Trish is just very happy and willing to stand up for herself and her friends if she thinks they’re being wronged, there is nothing wrong with that in the slightest


Exactly

She should be applauded

Sadly our society is broken


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[Zizu]

It's not even devil's advocate imo lol it's common sense.

Calling someone a bully here is ridiculous, it's a word which gets thrown around pointlessly now. Paul barely even acknowledges Noky :joker: Saying he thinks she's fake isn't bullying her, it's his opinion and the others have had the same thoughts (Jordan/Henry), the only difference is that they didn't say it to her. And if you notice, Noky always takes a backseat in any confrontation, just like when Trish/Dylan were arguing and SHE was actually the one who nominated him not Trish but she didn't speak up, she just let them go at it and stayed out of it.


Repeatedly calling Noky fake when the whole idea of the program is to convince viewers to like, trust and vote for you is definitely bullying


He couldn’t say anything more damaging to her reputation

Also staying out of arguments is not a fault / flaw and getting involved and defending other people is also not a fault / flaw

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[caprimint]

Repeatedly calling Noky fake when the whole idea of the program is to convince viewers to like, trust and vote for you is definitely bullying


He couldn’t say anything more damaging to her reputation


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Repeatedly? Twice at most, but regardless the number of times doesn't make it bullying. He wasn't actively spending time with/around her, he avoided her as much as possible. He's allowed to give his opinion without being called a "bully" just because Noky cries at everything.

It's funny you say that because she clearly didn't give a **** about his reputation when she was attempting to influence the public by making him look bad for writing Olivia's name down did she?

[fruit_cake]

Hmmm I kind of disagree to an extent...yes Trish did ask Noky what Paul had said to her as she saw her upset....I personally would like to have seen Noky say to Trish just leave it.... I thought it was a bit weak of Noky to leave the whole situation and just leave Trish to it. Its not the first time she has sat back and let Trish fight her battle.
Also Trish asked Henry if he wanted her to speak to Jordan and he said yes...she didnt just do it off her own back.

I like Trish but she's either going to keep gaining popularity by being vocal or it could go against her if she fights everyones battles.
Noky...lovely dignified lady but she needs to get a bit of backbone, Shes quite opinionated but when people bite back she becomes a blubbering mess.

yes I agree with this 100%, in particular the part I bolded. I don't think Noky is a bad sort either but if I were Trish I would keep her at arms length, which is ironically probably exactly what Trish won't do, being Trish

[fruit_cake]

It's not even devil's advocate imo lol it's common sense.

Calling someone a bully here is ridiculous, it's a word which gets thrown around pointlessly now. Paul barely even acknowledges Noky :joker: Saying he thinks she's fake isn't bullying her, it's his opinion and the others have had the same thoughts (Jordan/Henry), the only difference is that they didn't say it to her. And if you notice, Noky always takes a backseat in any confrontation, just like when Trish/Dylan were arguing and SHE was actually the one who nominated him not Trish but she didn't speak up, she just let them go at it and stayed out of it.

then we're agreeing again on our roller coaster agreement disagreement :laugh:

[fruit_cake]

rusticgirl! I’m glad I’m not the only one who got that impression!

I think she might choose to keep a foot in both camps, and doing so will either take her to the final or get her evicted. And I don’t even mind if she is playing a game, and manipulating others, but I’d just like her to be upfront with the audience about it.

She’s going to have to play things very carefully though, as the week before killer noms, she had received 3 votes, strangely from Chanelle, Henry and from one of the evicted housemates. By last week, it was clear that mistrust had formed in other housemates from both sides of the divide. The question is can she turn that around before the next set of noms?

Noky seems to talk a very empathetic game but her actions suggest something very different. Her constant sobbing/wincing is also getting rather grating, in particular the faces she pulled when the evictions were announced. Not saying you agree with me but the girl needs to get a grip I'd feel like I were walking on eggshells around her

[fruit_cake]

…I agree with CeeCee…Paul displayed bullying behaviour and not just as a one time thing…/…he’s obviously not the only one as there was a pack mentality with regards to Chanelle for talking to the ‘the can’t talk to them group’…so she had to be ‘punished’ and iced out…that’s a typical playground bullying thing…as is…(…as CeeCee has said…)…’what/who you looking at…’…it’s diverting and trying to assume a power position over someone who is felt to be ‘ a weaker’ …bullying behaviour comes in many layers, it’s not a one size all specific thing …and Paul was displaying some of those layers…even with the sneak peek vid yesterday, the title referred to behaviour as bullying…and maybe possibly also why the live feed was cut, while it was all being looked into ….

…so far as Noky choosing Trish for the task as opposed to Olivia, for instance…?…I’m not sure how long she would have had to choose a ‘possessed’…(..I would think…)…that she would also think of who she felt would be best for a task partner …but also, whatever reason…she was choosing for a task, she didn’t know what the task was…she didn’t know anything that it would lead to in terms of any hostility …she just chose the person she felt would do the task well with her so that they passed, surely….

while I totally respect what you've written Ammi I don't feel I can cross the line to label Paul's behaviour as bullying, perhaps there is a pattern, and there is also a stretched out history of aggression in the direction of Noky, but for me I don't think there was enough in that particular incedent.

I totally agree in that Paul was definitely dsiplaying many of those layers though

[bots]

Noky seems to talk a very empathetic game but her actions suggest something very different. Her constant sobbing/wincing is also getting rather grating, in particular the faces she pulled when the evictions were announced. Not saying you agree with me but the girl needs to get a grip I'd feel like I were walking on eggshells around her

Not all people are hard faced robots. Some people are naturally emotional, and are just as valid as anyone else. It was the first time she had been up for eviction after a traumatic week. Really, some people should give their head a wobble

[rusticgal]

I know I've done it plenty times in the past, if i see someone suffer what i believe is an injustice, i step in and say something. I consider it the right way to behave. I only ever came a cropper once and got a punch in the face for it :laugh:

I'm the same...

[Zizu]

Noky seems to talk a very empathetic game but her actions suggest something very different. Her constant sobbing/wincing is also getting rather grating, in particular the faces she pulled when the evictions were announced. Not saying you agree with me but the girl needs to get a grip I'd feel like I were walking on eggshells around her


It’s not her fault that she’s a delicate soul..
I bet most people would struggle like she has under the pressure that Paul has been applying to her for quite some time


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[Zizu]

Not all people are hard faced robots. Some people are naturally emotional, and are just as valid as anyone else. It was the first time she had been up for eviction after a traumatic week. Really, some people should give their head a wobble


Exactly


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[fruit_cake]

Not all people are hard faced robots. Some people are naturally emotional, and are just as valid as anyone else. It was the first time she had been up for eviction after a traumatic week. Really, some people should give their head a wobble

well that's fair until the 'head wobble' bit, but Noky only ever seems to display negative emotions. I'm not saying she has to join the 'I'm here for a laugh Paul Olivia gang' but she could lighten up a bit, it wouldn't do her any harm seems to me

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

…I agree with CeeCee…Paul displayed bullying behaviour and not just as a one time thing…/…he’s obviously not the only one as there was a pack mentality with regards to Chanelle for talking to the ‘the can’t talk to them group’…so she had to be ‘punished’ and iced out…that’s a typical playground bullying thing…as is…(…as CeeCee has said…)…’what/who you looking at…’…it’s diverting and trying to assume a power position over someone who is felt to be ‘ a weaker’ …bullying behaviour comes in many layers, it’s not a one size all specific thing …and Paul was displaying some of those layers…even with the sneak peek vid yesterday, the title referred to behaviour as bullying…and maybe possibly also why the live feed was cut, while it was all being looked into ….

…so far as Noky choosing Trish for the task as opposed to Olivia, for instance…?…I’m not sure how long she would have had to choose a ‘possessed’…(..I would think…)…that she would also think of who she felt would be best for a task partner …but also, whatever reason…she was choosing for a task, she didn’t know what the task was…she didn’t know anything that it would lead to in terms of any hostility …she just chose the person she felt would do the task well with her so that they passed, surely….

All of this. You put it way better than I did lol.

[MTVN]

well that's fair until the 'head wobble' bit, but Noky only ever seems to display negative emotions. I'm not saying she has to join the 'I'm here for a laugh Paul Olivia gang' but she could lighten up a bit, it wouldn't do her any harm seems to me

Really, I think the complete opposite. Loves dancing around at any parties, is very playful (see how she was with Zak, in the cork throwing etc), gets really into every task, has a very infectious laugh etc.

I think she's one of the liveliest personalities in there

[fruit_cake]

Really, I think the complete opposite. Loves dancing around at any parties, is very playful (see how she was with Zak, in the cork throwing etc), gets really into every task, has a very infectious laugh etc.

I think she's one of the liveliest personalities in there

yes you're not wrong just goes to show how we all focus in on different aspects of a housemate.

She did try to make the most of Yinrun's party but the jealous Paul ruined it for her and his behaviour was appalling. That said she has spent an enormous amount of her time sobbing or avoiding conflicts she was if not the instigator of, certaininly one of the main protagonists

[Zizu]

Really, I think the complete opposite. Loves dancing around at any parties, is very playful (see how she was with Zak, in the cork throwing etc), gets really into every task, has a very infectious laugh etc.

I think she's one of the liveliest personalities in there


Yeah agreed but it only takes the slightest thing to unsettle her due to her delicate state of mind in there .. thankfully Trish is there .
She’s the only one switched on enough to see when Noky is upset or struggling with something

The producers should be investigated when the series is over

They have not given the weaker ones any protection at all and targeted Trish because she’s made of strong stuff

Disgraceful


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[MTVN]

yes you're not wrong just goes to show how we all focus in on different aspects of a housemate.

She did try to make the most of Yinrun's party but the jealous Paul ruined it for her and his behaviour was appalling. That said she has spent an enormous amount of her time sobbing or avoiding conflicts she was if not the instigator of, certaininly one of the main protagonists

Fair enough, personally I don't think she's been at fault for any of the conflicts starting and the last week she's had would test anyone. I think she's actually shown a lot of strength to endure it and carry on

[jj1994]

When Paul and Olivia were chatting, they were right - Noky uses Trish to fight her battles for her. A real friend of Trish would have seen her getting emotional and stopped her from engaging with Paul.. which led to her accusing him of Bullying which for me is a step too far.

Noky left Trish to fend for herself, running away to the DR

And regarding Paul being a bully....
was Paul being a dickhead yes
Being an absolute twit yes
Bullying? no I don't think so. Bullying is a word that is way over used and to call that bullying detracts from real situations where people find themselves in desperate situations

Spot on!

Calling Paul a bully is most the 2023 thing ever.

I think the viewers of Big Brother are desperate to have a villain and it's landed on Paul this time round. It was Kerry before him, and funnily enough people have warmed to her since her interview.

By the way, i'm not Pauls biggest fan but to call him a bully is wild.

And you're right, it diminishes and detracts from real situations were people have been bullied.

People need to remember they're stuck in a house with not much to do - tensions are going to run high and they are going to blow up over little things.

It's also pissed me off people calling him racist/transphobic/homophobic on social media with literally ZERO evidence. It's scary how witch hunts happen these days.

[Redrose]

She may be 5ft 1 but her mouth is bigger than that alone.

She has a Napoleon complex.

[Zizu]

She has a Napoleon complex.


Maybe a NoPauleon complex


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[Ammi]

It’s not her fault that she’s a delicate soul..
I bet most people would struggle like she has under the pressure that Paul has been applying to her for quite some time


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…I don’t think that Noky is a delicate soul, though…as she said, she’s someone who doesn’t involve herself in group situations ….she’s very much her own girl and that’s the way she prefers it…there would be strength in a group, that’s a large part of groups forming in a context such as the BB house…but she chooses not to be a part of that strength…that would make her a very strong person in many ways and she’s certainly very accomplished in her out of the house life…but she’s not someone that thrives well in confrontational/hostile situations etc …those situations are not part of her skill set or comfort zone if you like…but I would say that she’s shown great strengths…

[joeysteele]

When Paul and Olivia were chatting, they were right - Noky uses Trish to fight her battles for her. A real friend of Trish would have seen her getting emotional and stopped her from engaging with Paul.. which led to her accusing him of Bullying which for me is a step too far.

Noky left Trish to fend for herself, running away to the DR

And regarding Paul being a bully....
was Paul being a dickhead yes
Being an absolute twit yes
Bullying? no I don't think so. Bullying is a word that is way over used and to call that bullying detracts from real situations where people find themselves in desperate situations

I agree with all that.
Really well said

[Ammi]

…..if anyone who is interested to know more of Paul’s back story, as it were…his fighting career and what it means to him and his mental health…I found this vid, I haven’t watched it all myself because it’s a long watch, I’ve just watched some small parts…anyway, for his fans…or non fans…

N0nEpCqPV5Q

[GoldHeart]

When Paul and Olivia were chatting, they were right - Noky uses Trish to fight her battles for her. A real friend of Trish would have seen her getting emotional and stopped her from engaging with Paul.. which led to her accusing him of Bullying which for me is a step too far.

Noky left Trish to fend for herself, running away to the DR

And regarding Paul being a bully....
was Paul being a dickhead yes
Being an absolute twit yes
Bullying? no I don't think so. Bullying is a word that is way over used and to call that bullying detracts from real situations where people find themselves in desperate situations


Paul's own friends Jenkin & Chanelle could see he was being a pr1ck .

Chanelle said something like " if I wasn't invited I wouldn't be that upset"

Jenkin told Paul to stop being a tw@t


Paul took it further than the other un invited hms , he threw objects ,he said he specifically wanted to p1ss off "Noky & Trish " , he wanted the drama. He provoked it . And when Noky didn't react ...he started bullying her by saying " what you looking at" . He tried to intimidate her and she answered him back.

Noky didn't expect Trish to fight ' her battles ' , she was just upset and Trish noticed this :shrug:.

Paul can't handle Trish so he goes back upstairs like the pathetic creep that he is . He started the whole thing ,then he gets upset when people defend themselves and stands up to him....he needs his head testing .

He even tried throwing away their cocktails. He's like a sad little baby who didn't get his bottle .

[caprimint]

then we're agreeing again on our roller coaster agreement disagreement :laugh:
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[Lostie!]

Bullying? no I don't think so. Bullying is a word that is way over used and to call that bullying detracts from real situations where people find themselves in desperate situations

It's also commonly disregarded way too often when people have tunnel vision on what bullying is. It can be subtle and insidious, it's not always the high school "give me your money" stereotype.

[Zizu]

It's also commonly disregarded way too often when people have tunnel vision on what bullying is. It can be subtle and insidious, it's not always the high school "give me your money" stereotype.


Yes !

Even a sly look off someone can be intimidating when you are aware of their danger / capabilities


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[Zizu]

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[CocaColin]

People willing to jump through hoops to explain Paul's behaviour.

But Trish & Noky are criticised for any move they make. Interesting.

[GoldHeart]

People willing to jump through hoops to explain Paul's behaviour.

But Trish & Noky are criticised for any move they make. Interesting.

Yeah Suddenly we should worry for Paul & Jenkin's mental health. I guess Noky & Trish are made of stone ? .