Jenkins/olivia/tom and Chanel are racist?

[Will.]

I’m sorry but it just completely feels like they all might be racist?

The comments towards them are really questionable

[jones89]

I’m sorry but it just completely feels like there all a bunch of racist bullies

The comments are vile they are making

It feels like or there’s proof that they are? :conf:

[Mystic Mock]

What have they been saying?

[Ray.]

I think it says something more about your world views that you automatically reduce it down to being about race when there's no evidence whatsoever.

[Benjamin]

they’re awful but I haven’t heard them say anything racist?

[Parmy]

Sounds like something Trish would say to make a hm look bad.

[Lostie!]

I mean, Tom pulling the aggressive card on Trish tonight felt icky

[Denver]

Chanelle is pro isreal

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Unconscious racism? I thought about it.

[Denver]

I mean, Tom pulling the aggressive card on Trish tonight felt icky

Yea, she couldn't have said it calmer if she tried.

Had it been a white girl they would not be labelled aggressive

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Chanelle is pro isreal

It's possible to be pro Jew and anti black Lmao.

[Will.]

When Kerry was shouting her head off it was fine.

When it was Trish who was barley shouting Tom drops the “you’re being aggressive”

Olivia saying “dangerous pair”

[Stu]

Not sure if it's racist but Tom calling out the aggression is a good shout. Seems like really desperate framing. I fear for the bloke if he's ever met with actual aggression.

[Saph]

Chanelle is pro isreal

Doubt she even knows what Israel is

[Mystic Mock]

I mean, Tom pulling the aggressive card on Trish tonight felt icky

That is admittedly a bit dodgy.

[Mystic Mock]

Chanelle is pro isreal

Tbh you can't win either way in that situation.

Pro-Israel: "You're Islamophobic."

Pro-Palestine: "You're Anti-Semitic."

Have mixed feelings on the topic: "You're just sitting on the fence."

[Ray.]

I thought Tom was making the aggressive comment in regards to Trish making a dismissive, 'handwavey' remark towards Chanelle for booking it. Aggressive obviously doesn't have to solely mean raising your voice. It can depend on tone and context. When people talk of aggressive negotiation, it doesn't always mean that both parties are lurching across the table and screaming in each other's faces lol. In context, 'aggressive' clearly meant rude and dismissive. And Olivia's remark about being dangerous was obviously in reference to Noky and Trish's good standing in the house and her perception of them as being gameplayers. Do some of you think she meant they're secretly carrying shivs or something?! Com on already.

Btw, to be totally fair here (and also to cover all the bases), Chanelle leaving the table so abruptly was itself incredibly dismissive and whatnot, but Chanelle's on Tom's side, so of course he's going to make allowances for her where he wouldn't with someone he sees as an enemy. Both sides of the house are always doing this.

[Swan]

Never a hint or claim from Trish and Noky thinking others might be racist in the house, but all the whites in this thread calling it. Brilliant.

[Denver]

Never a hint or claim from Trish and Noky thinking others might be racist in the house, but all the whites in this thread calling it. Brilliant.

Nice that you just assume we are all white

[Lostie!]

Never a hint or claim from Trish and Noky thinking others might be racist in the house, but all the whites in this thread calling it. Brilliant.

Who are "all the whites"?

[Denver]

Also why wasn't Olivia branded aggressive for multiple attacks on the Chinese woman

[Oliver_W]

Never a hint or claim from Trish and Noky thinking others might be racist in the house, but all the whites in this thread calling it. Brilliant.

I wonder how often people (in general) think they're being disliked for their census traits.



Like, a female friend of mine's bf once disliked me scarily strongly, and it didn't occur to any of us (least of all me) it was homophobia. But when she asked him about it, it turned out "because he's gay", which sounds ridiculous coming from anyone under like 60 :joker:
(they didn't last long. not because of that specifically, but it didn't help)

[Parmy]

Chanelle has openly admitted she doesnt do conflict, Trish was ready to shout in her face and put her down in front of everyone whilst knowing this, until Tom stopped her.

And she calls people bullies, shes got a bloody nerve.

[Oliver_W]

Also why wasn't Olivia branded aggressive for multiple attacks on the Chinese woman

Can't even be bothered to remember or ascertain her name, that's a microaggression :nono:

[Beastie]

Kerry has been the most aggressive one in there. Even after Dylan and Trish's spat.

[Swan]

Nice that you just assume we are all white

I know you're white.

Also, hands up who is white, and think they know better about the racism than the 2 black women in the house?!

[Will.]

I’m not white

[Swan]

I’m not white

So, Trish and Noky have never hinted at racism in the house, but you know better than the 2 black women in there? Ok then.

[jones89]

So, Trish and Noky have never hinted at racism in the house, but you know better than the 2 black women in there? Ok then.

Welcome to Big Brother post 2020… heaven forbid you dislike someone who’s black.. can’t possibly be their personality must be racism

[Beastie]

Trish in the firing line again... Her voting last. Why didn't Yinrun just keep with putting herself up? Yinrun speech was bollocks because she nominated Jenkin in the end.

[Denver]

I know you're white.

Also, hands up who is white, and think they know better about the racism than the 2 black women in the house?!

I'm actually mixed race but thank you fro showing everyone how bigoted you are towards people of colour

[Denver]

Can't even be bothered to remember or ascertain her name, that's a microaggression :nono:

No it's to prove a point, white woman no aggression black woman super aggressive

[Mystic Mock]

I wonder how often people (in general) think they're being disliked for their census traits.



Like, a female friend of mine's bf once disliked me scarily strongly, and it didn't occur to any of us (least of all me) it was homophobia. But when she asked him about it, it turned out "because he's gay", which sounds ridiculous coming from anyone under like 60 :joker:
(they didn't last long. not because of that specifically, but it didn't help)

He disliked you because of your sexuality?:laugh:

Judgmental people like that can be fascinating to talk to, but ultimately they do piss me off when they dislike people for such petty reasons.

[Swan]

I'm actually mixed race but thank you fro showing everyone how bigoted you are towards people of colour

Lol, ok ageist.

[Denver]

Old people are more likely to be racist

[Swan]

Old people are more likely to be racist

And you base this on?

By all means feel free to share any research you might have conducted.

[Mystic Mock]

I know you're white.

Also, hands up who is white, and think they know better about the racism than the 2 black women in the house?!

I'm white and I know all.

But seriously I don't 100% know in this case, but the one saying that Trish was being "aggressive" is playing into a very negative stereotype of black women in society.

I mean maybe Trish was being aggressive, but even I know that a lot of racists do love to use that line whenever a black person gets upset about something.

So it leaves me suspicious.

[Swan]

I'm white and I know all.

But seriously I don't 100% know in this case, but the one saying that Trish was being "aggressive" is playing into a very negative stereotype of black women in society.

I mean maybe Trish was being aggressive, but even I know that a lot of racists do love to use that line whenever a black person gets upset about something.

So it leaves me suspicious.

Nah it's crap Mock, people speculating HM's are racist towards Trish and Noky in the house, yet neither of them have ever mentioned it. It's always the same, people looking for racism when it isn't there. And just a massive insult to the black women in the house with idiots in this thread think they need to defend and victimise strong, and independent women of colour.

[Mystic Mock]

Welcome to Big Brother post 2020… heaven forbid you dislike someone who’s black.. can’t possibly be their personality must be racism

That admittedly can be an issue in other forms of entertainment.

I mean the arrogance from Hollywood when they told the Egyptian Government that they're "racist" for not wanting an "historically accurate" version of Cleopatra being black (when she wasn't black) was absolutely astonishing in so many ways.

The arrogance and delusion was incredible from that Netflix team, I seriously hope that Trish and Noky fans are not that far gone.

[Denver]

And you base this on?

By all means feel free to share any research you might have conducted.

Just look around the forum

[Swan]

Just look around the forum

So your research is based on about 6 women on a BB forum? As before the resurrection of BB, the forum had about 15 regular posters, with about half at best being women.

I thought so. That's really sound research right there.

[Ray.]

Nah it's crap Mock, people speculating HM's are racist towards Trish and Noky in the house, yet neither of them have ever mentioned it. It's always the same, people looking for racism when it isn't there. And just a massive insult to the black women in the house with idiots in this thread think they need to defend and victimise strong, and independent women of colour.

I do agree with you that it's white liberals who are always presuming to speak on behalf of others and who are quick to jump to cries of 'racism!' where others are highly unlikely to see any. I don't blame you at all for immediately thinking every witchfinder here is white. :laugh:

[Denver]

So your research is based on about 6 women on a BB forum? As before the resurrection of BB, the forum had about 15 regular posters, with about half at best being women.

I thought so. That's really sound research right there.

There is a reason many left the forum

[Mystic Mock]

Nah it's crap Mock, people speculating HM's are racist towards Trish and Noky in the house, yet neither of them have ever mentioned it. It's always the same, people looking for racism when it isn't there. And just a massive insult to the black women in the house with idiots in this thread think they need to defend and victimise strong, and independent women of colour.

Tbf you've watched way more of the series than I have, so I'll take your word for it.

It's just that particular comment does have me suspicious of I think his name is Tom?

[Swan]

There is a reason many left the forum

Snowflakes, yeah.

[Swan]

Tbf you've watched way more of the series than I have, so I'll take your word for it.

It's just that particular comment does have me suspicious of I think his name is Tom?

That was a while ago, could be stereotyping, that's of course up for debate. But Trish herself didn't take issue. Only person who has brought race up in the house was Dylan, as somehow he felt Trish and Noky, and him should stick together. Like Trish said, it was pathetic and insulting. Just like this thread.

[Elliot]

100%. Very deliberate choice of wording by them

[rusticgal]

Chanelle has openly admitted she doesnt do conflict, Trish was ready to shout in her face and put her down in front of everyone whilst knowing this, until Tom stopped her.

And she calls people bullies, shes got a bloody nerve.



Chanelle doesn’t do conflict but she talks **** about them behind their backs…

[Ray.]

100%. Very deliberate choice of wording by them

I notice that for a lot of viewers, housemates only suddenly become calculating and subtle when it also speaks badly of them lol. Any other time, they supposedly can't articulate themselves for toffee, but when it's in a light that speaks badly of them, suddenly they're men of letters. :joker:

[Parmy]

Chanelle doesn’t do conflict but she talks **** about them behind their backs…

Don't they all. At least chanelle has the excuse of venting her way, and her way is far better than being the loudest voice.

[Beastie]

Chanelle just comes across as sneaky.

[Beastie]

They all could be a bit racist.

[Denver]

Chanelle has more faces than the clock tower and everyone of them is miserable

[Lostie!]

Chanelle has more faces than the clock tower and everyone of them is miserable

:joker: :clap1:

[Swan]

Chanelle has more faces than the clock tower and everyone of them is miserable

https://hips.hearstapps.com/digitalspyuk.cdnds.net/16/52/1482792668-nana1.jpg

[Northern Monkey]

I’m actually impressed that it’s taken this long for the non-existent racism accusations to come out. Sure it’s usually earlier than this from what I remember.

[vesavius]

Please don't make me defend the Gremlins.

I have seen no evidence of racism up untill now.

[Benjamin]

Please don't make me defend the Gremlins.

I have seen no evidence of racism up untill now.

:laugh: :love:

[CocaColin]

I would say it's more unconscious bias hence why they're treating Noky, Yinrun & Trish a certain way.

But they can't even rub their 4 brain cells together to see Paul was the issue so there's no chance in hell they'll be able to reflect on how they are acting.

[Babayaro.]

A bit of a reach, this.

[Abra]

Tom labelling Trish as "aggressive" when she was actually very calm definitely felt like a typical dogwhistle that you often see being used against black women. Kerry, Olivia, Hallie can all scream and rant and rave but when Trish points out an uncomfortable truth she's "aggressive", always a double standard for black women.

[Abra]

Chanelle has openly admitted she doesnt do conflict, Trish was ready to shout in her face and put her down in front of everyone whilst knowing this, until Tom stopped her.

And she calls people bullies, shes got a bloody nerve.

What are you talking about? I've just rewatched this scene because I thought I had missed something.

When Chanelle stormed off, she was talking to Noky. Trish was sat in complete silence, so how exactly was she "ready to shout in her face and put her down"?

I've noticed in your posts that you are often fabricating things that just didn't happen on the show. Like in that thread where you said that Will was being passive aggressive towards Hallie in her interview. I'm not sure why you keep getting so mixed up with what you are seeing but there's definitely a pattern here.

[GoldHeart]

This thread got me thinking something racist was said then. Olivia's group are just nasty twats, Chanelle was disgusting the way she stormed off and blamed Trish , Chanelle wouldn't even let Noky explain .

Can all the garden group just leave please :bored: .

[OnTheRight]

I think it says something more about your world views that you automatically reduce it down to being about race when there's no evidence whatsoever.

This.

[Lostie!]

Chanelle has openly admitted she doesnt do conflict, Trish was ready to shout in her face and put her down in front of everyone whilst knowing this, until Tom stopped her.

And she calls people bullies, shes got a bloody nerve.

This is literal fanfiction :joker:

[Cherie]

I’m actually impressed that it’s taken this long for the non-existent racism accusations to come out. Sure it’s usually earlier than this from what I remember.

the only racism I have seen is Dylan claiming the black housemates should have stuck together but that got a BIG PASS on here :laugh:

[bots]

There hasn't been any racism that i have seen apart from Dylan's statement. Every interaction has been about personalities

[William1066]

They all could be a bit racist.

Chanelle is a racist and a vindictive one at that. she was reminding the other housemates in her group that she forgives but doesnÂ’t forget. BB last night showed her on two occasions indirectly influencing the nominations for this week ensuring Trish is up again. SheÂ’s vile

[Zizu]

This thread got me thinking something racist was said then. Olivia's group are just nasty twats, Chanelle was disgusting the way she stormed off and blamed Trish , Chanelle wouldn't even let Noky explain .

Can all the garden group just leave please :bored: .


This ^


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

[Zizu]

There hasn't been any racism that i have seen apart from Dylan's statement. Every interaction has been about personalities


That said they are all aware of the current climate and are being ultra cautious in what they say ..

Actions though can be more telling https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20231108/65d8dc4abe70a1f8d37aaecb27094af6.png


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

[DrunkerThanMoses]

I didnt know they allowed Trish access to post on this forum

No trish, they just dont like you because you are annoying

[Niamh.]

I didnt know they allowed Trish access to post on this forum

No trish, they just dont like you because you are annoying

tbf to Trish she hasn't accused them of being racist (unless I missed something?)

[fruit_cake]

Tom labelling Trish as "aggressive" when she was actually very calm definitely felt like a typical dogwhistle that you often see being used against black women. Kerry, Olivia, Hallie can all scream and rant and rave but when Trish points out an uncomfortable truth she's "aggressive", always a double standard for black women.

I don't think there is any overt racisum going on in the house, but covert is another issue and if there is an element of racism, I think this describes it perfectly.

[XTINA]

When Kerry was shouting her head off it was fine.

When it was Trish who was barley shouting Tom drops the “you’re being aggressive”

Olivia saying “dangerous pair”

I hardly think Kerry was being aggressive.

[XTINA]

I’m not white

Thought so.

[GlitterUK]

Trish's friend has mentioned racism and she has written to the producers she stated on twitter. Unless it is just creating more hype around Trish to push her to the win?

[Swan]

tbf to Trish she hasn't accused them of being racist (unless I missed something?)

She has not. BB has always been about putting different people, from all the other country, and some times different walks of life, in what is essentially a pressure cooker. HM's are bound to clash, argue, and form groups. This is human nature.

However, as per, society is absolutely desperate to find racism in everything nowadays. What happened to not judging people on the colour of their skin? We're all equal, just because someone doesn't like a black person (who is not black themselves), it doesn't mean they're racist for christsake.

Anyway, the most important thing here to remember is that neither Trish, nor Noky has ever claimed racism in the house. Seems social media and the desperate knights in shinning amour on here and elsewhere conveniently dismiss that.

The only time race was brought up was when Dylan made that insulting black on black crime to Trish, and because she's easily the most level headed, and strongest character in the house, she shot him down immediately, and called him out on what a pathetic comment it was.

[GlitterUK]

Yeah I agree with Swan, the only other comment on it has come from Trish's friend on twitter.

[Zizu]

Yeah I agree with Swan, the only other comment on it has come from Trish's friend on twitter.


There is a good deal of circumstantial evidence though


Just because none of them have openly said anything doesn’t mean they’re not racist


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

[Ray.]

What's the circumstantial evidence?

[Zizu]

What's the circumstantial evidence?


Have you been watching the series


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

[Ray.]

Ffs Zizu what's the circumstantial evidence?

[GlitterUK]

1+1 = 3 in some peoples minds.

[Zizu]

1+1 = 3 in some peoples minds.


More a case of x+ y = z

Z = Racism


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

[Parmy]

There is a good deal of circumstantial evidence though


Just because none of them have openly said anything doesn’t mean they’re not racist


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

Can you explain their friendships with dylan, zak, and noky please. And yinrun.

[Swan]

More a case of x+ y = z

Z = Racism


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

So by your reckoning, if someone say, white doesn't get on with a black person, or like that black person, they're racist.

I see you in the football threads slating lots of players who happen to be black, you are obviously and quite clearly a massive racist!

[Zizu]

Can you explain their friendships with dylan, zak, and noky please. And yinrun.


Disingenuous
Fake
For the cameras

They weren’t close to Dylan - nobody was
They used to call Zac for spreading himself too thin and thus game playing ..

Yinrun has complained repeatedly that nobody outside her own little circle speak to her or show any GENUINE interest in her


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

[Parmy]

Clutching zizu.

[vesavius]

Can you explain their friendships with dylan, zak, and noky please. And yinrun.

"I am not racist, some of my best friends are black"

I mean, despite their many character flaws, I don't think the Gremlins are racist, but that's what your comment comes across as.

[Benjamin]

Trish's friend has mentioned racism and she has written to the producers she stated on twitter. Unless it is just creating more hype around Trish to push her to the win?

I honestly think it’s this. I like Trish (and dislike the gremlins) but I can’t see any evidence of racism towards her. Her friend would know as much as us as we all watch the same highlights/live feed.

This could could lead to a back lash on Trish without Trish actually doing anything wrong if her friend isn’t careful.

[Maru]

I’m actually impressed that it’s taken this long for the non-existent racism accusations to come out. Sure it’s usually earlier than this from what I remember.

I'm enjoying being back but I never liked these types of threads. They're never resolved and it's basically two sides pushing a hard view until it becomes a fractured mess. All that said, here I am anyway because coffee :laugh:


On topic, I don't think it's impossible there's a racial stereotype playing out in to some of the commentary re: Trish, but where is the line where Trish could do with also do with some more humility in her depiction of other people's perspectives (ie not her own)?

She likes to "retell" the reactions of other people under a simpler narrative and I find that to be dogmatic and not conducive to building common ground with the other HMs. That's not to say she is "wrong". She can be very right in her general perspective at any point. But that skips empathy entirely and misses the boat on understanding where the views of others come from. After all she has confidence and obviously being outspoken she is testing her views, so she can still hit the nail on the head. It's just very easy to live by one's persona on an island of me with that mindset and that's just a common side effect of needing to constantly make one's POV known. It's much harder to do the other way and actually lean into other people's point of views, even if it's completely the opposite of what one actually believes.

Just a thought.

[Vanessa]

I don't think they are.

[GlitterUK]

I don't think we have ever has a series where the racism/bullying/journey buzzwords haven't been used.

I think people dislike personalities and it has nothing to do with skin colour.