What is it with all this anti jew shit? [Archive] - ThisisBigBrother.com

Sunny_01

12-07-2007, 09:34 AM

Dr43%er

12-07-2007, 09:56 AM

Hitler had strong views on Jews, but meh, what of it.

Kristen

12-07-2007, 10:02 AM

Originally posted by Dr43%er
Hitler had strong views on Jews, but meh, what of it.

Alot of people do have strong views on Jews. It's a fact of life and it happens as does homophobia.

spacebandit

12-07-2007, 10:12 AM

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by Dr43%er
So you have a problem with some Jews. That does not mean that all Jews are Arab baby killer.

Political discussion is one thing but I just thought i had logged on to Combat 18's site.

A member has strong views on Jews.

What of it?

nodisharmony :angel:

First they came for the Socialists, and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for me, and there was no one left
to speak up for me.

From a poem originally by Martin Niemöller (1892–1984)

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All things considered I am not suprised at all by your post.

Dr43%er

12-07-2007, 10:48 AM

"Alot of people do have strong views on Jews. It's a fact of life and it happens as does homophobia. " Does it make it right?

There is a massive difference between arguing against the stance of a government against a group of peoples and blaming a race/religion "The Jews" for all the problems. You can no more do this than blame "The Blacks" for gun crime, the "gays" moral standards slipping and the "Muslims" for blowing stuff up. As, believe it or not, not all Muslims are terrorist as not all Jews are power hungry media mogul baby killers.

Spacebandit.

Like your quote. Martin Niemöller Some interesting stuff on him here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Niem%C3%B6ller

nodisharmony

12-07-2007, 12:10 PM

Originally posted by Sunny_01
Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by Dr43%er
So you have a problem with some Jews. That does not mean that all Jews are Arab baby killer.

Political discussion is one thing but I just thought i had logged on to Combat 18's site.

A member has strong views on Jews.

What of it?

nodisharmony :angel:

Like Lauren said it is comparable to racism the way it has been talked about on this forum. Are you saying that it is ok to target a group of people and blame them for all the wrongs in the world?

I said that the member had strong views on Jewish people and I am not condoning Jewish hatred either.

I just said that he has strong views which he wishes to air on this site, just like with issues on racism, but as it can be discussed, it is delicate and if the member who brought up the subject of Jewish people, starts to edge towards Jewish hatred, which may offend, then that is a step to far.

I haven't said yet, my views on Jewish people.

Basically, I don't even have a view, as it doesn't interest myself one bit.

But the member who brought it up, does have.

nodisharmony :angel:

Lauren

12-07-2007, 12:12 PM

I don't have "views" on one particular social group because I feel we're all different and unique. Grouping a race/religion together is suggesting they're all the same. I have views on humans.

nodisharmony

12-07-2007, 12:17 PM

Originally posted by Lauren
I don't have "views" on one particular social group because I feel we're all different and unique. Grouping a race/religion together is suggesting they're all the same. I have views on humans.

When Emily Parr said the (N) word, this site debated the subject like mad. It was like everyone had a view on race.

The member who started this subject about "Jews", was edging towards hatred, and one of his threads was locked immediately.

I personally wouldn't treat a Jewish man or woman any differently from a Catholic person, let's say...

I agree with you Lauren on the issue

nodisharmony :angel:

spacebandit

12-07-2007, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by nodisharmony

I said that the member had strong views on Jewish people and I am not condoning Jewish hatred either.

nodisharmony :angel:

Nor are you condemning it - you are attempting to fudge the issue and sit on the fence.

The end result of enough people doing that in the past lead to Auschwitz and Treblinka and the rest of the murder factories.

rex3

12-07-2007, 02:03 PM

I think your already know that I said that not all jews are ..... such as these orthodox jews and many other who i respect : -

http://nkusa.org/

But to call my racists (jews arent a race) or try to tarnish me with the same brush with the REAL fanatics like the HITLER supporters in germany. Stopping any one from critising the MAJORITY of Jewish political views in Israel.

For example my view is that Israel was created because the British government was pressured into making one, becuase of the Jewish Business men were gonna boycott the UK. HOW IS THAT ANTI-SEMETIC.

ITS NOT LIKE IM SAYING YOU Y*D or any other racist termonoloy......

Lauren

12-07-2007, 02:16 PM

All Jewish businesmen are going to boycott the UK? See, thats the problem I find in your posts. You paint a negative picture of all Jews and don't accept that these are the minority, not the majority. Also, although Jews aren't a "race" as such, you're identifying one social group and presenting them in a negative light all around - this is comparable to racism.

easypeasy

12-07-2007, 02:31 PM

Its nothing like racism, if a bunch of people want to be labelled together as having the same set of ethics or religious beliefs that comes through choice not through circumstance such as skin colour or sexual preference.
Are we not allowed to oppose other peoples beliefs in this country anymore?

nodisharmony

12-07-2007, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by spacebandit
Originally posted by nodisharmony

I said that the member had strong views on Jewish people and I am not condoning Jewish hatred either.

nodisharmony :angel:

Nor are you condemning it - you are attempting to fudge the issue and sit on the fence.

The end result of enough people doing that in the past lead to Auschwitz and Treblinka and the rest of the murder factories.

I am not making judgements on the whole Jewish issue, because I personally have very little to say on the subject.

however..

In regards of what Hitler did to the Jews, well, Hitler was mad! When you have a mad-man ruling Germany at that time and a majority being brainwashed by him, then it just points out, how many German people were so weak minded.

What I should point out, with many weak-minded people,is, that sometimes, it is easier to side with the winning side, or group:wink: But a stronger minded individual or individuals who fight for fairness and don't look for winning sides, but make changes in a different way.

Regarding Auschwitz and Treblinka, i think you should look at what happened afterwards and upto the present day.

Many are too old to care or do much now.

Do people care today? Yes, but what can those do?

If stupidity sided with Hitler and I use the word "stupidity", as in regards to those who liked to follow that leader like Lambs to the slaughter, then the Lambs should have looked to their own minds instead.

If a power group or individual seems to rule, then you must use a very special type of attack to undermine their or his authority, the authority only brought about, by people-power.

I've seen that:rolleyes:

nodisharmony :angel:

Dr43%er

12-07-2007, 02:44 PM

The Hitler thing was not aimed at you. Some of your posts are sailing very close to the wind thus one has been closed.

Lauren

12-07-2007, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by easypeasy
Its nothing like racism

Racism - "a form of discrimination based on race, especially the belief that one race is superior to another. Racism may be expressed individually and consciously, through explicit thoughts, feelings, or acts, or socially and unconsciously, through institutions that promote inequality between races".

No-one said anything about not being allowed to oppose beliefs, but collectively applying a negative label/act to one social group is beyond "opposing beliefs".

nodisharmony

12-07-2007, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by Dr43%er
The Hitler thing was not aimed at you. Some of your posts are sailing very close to the wind thus one has been closed.

Your are wording that paragraph wrongly.

"Some of your posts", should be worded, "Some of the posts"

Don't look at one thread which had only two posts within, which was locked before I made 1 single post in this thread which you started.

I am not sailing close to the wind, this is a debate, whether you like or dislike my posts is irrelivant.

nodisharmony :angel:

Dr43%er

12-07-2007, 03:17 PM

I was talking to rex, thus my "your posts" stands.

The Hitler thing was aimed at you.

easypeasy

12-07-2007, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by easypeasy
Its nothing like racism

Racism - "a form of discrimination based on race, especially the belief that one race is superior to another. Racism may be expressed individually and consciously, through explicit thoughts, feelings, or acts, or socially and unconsciously, through institutions that promote inequality between races".

No-one said anything about not being allowed to oppose beliefs, but collectively applying a negative label/act to one social group is beyond "opposing beliefs". but the point is judaism is a choice of lifestyle not a physical condition.

Lauren

12-07-2007, 03:23 PM

Anyone born with a Jewish mother will always be Jewish whether they claim to be atheist or not. It's not a choice in a lot of cases and although it's not biological there are also instances in Israel where Jews would describe themselves as secular.

easypeasy

12-07-2007, 03:27 PM

so it seems as though if people have no choice in being a jew the religion is just as extremist as Islam. so much for freedom of choice eh.

spacebandit

12-07-2007, 03:43 PM

Originally posted by easypeasy
so it seems as though if people have no choice in being a jew the religion is just as extremist as Islam. so much for freedom of choice eh.

If your parents are catholic, you are born a catholic - if they baptise you it seals the deal, when you are able to make your own informed choice you may stop being a catholic

If your parents are christian, you are born a christian - when you are able to make your own informed choice you may stop being a christian

If your parents are jewish, you are born a jew - when you are able to make your own informed choice you may stop being a jew

and on and on with other religions

Pretty simple, to any reasoned person

Lauren

12-07-2007, 03:44 PM

Originally posted by spacebandit
If your parents are jewish, you are born a jew - when you are able to make your own informed choice you may stop being a jew

Pretty simple, to any reasoned person

Jewish Law dictates otherwise.

spacebandit

12-07-2007, 03:46 PM

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by spacebandit
If your parents are jewish, you are born a jew - when you are able to make your own informed choice you may stop being a jew

Pretty simple, to any reasoned person

Jewish Law dictates otherwise.

the same as catholic doctrine and christian doctrine and islamic doctrine and buddhist doctrine - none actually accept you have permanently left the faith and all will welcome your return.

You decide
You make an informed choice about your belief

Not sorry to inform you that its not only the jews you have to blame on that one

Dr43%er

12-07-2007, 03:48 PM

"Jewish Law dictates otherwise." But as they had left the Jewish faith would that law have any meaning to them?

Lauren

12-07-2007, 03:51 PM

There's "blame" occurring in this discussion? Perhaps you can elaborate?
Secular people born in Christian countries aren't considered default Christians, yet in Israel you're Jew by default, even if you're secular.

rex3

12-07-2007, 03:58 PM

for example take this woman who is jewish

She is jewish yet she doesnt belive in what the Majority of Jews (Zionists) believe in: -

http://www.ultimateuploader.com/files/228903.jpg

spacebandit

12-07-2007, 03:59 PM

Originally posted by Lauren
There's "blame" occurring in this discussion? Perhaps you can elaborate?
Secular people born in Christian countries aren't considered default Christians, yet in Israel you're Jew by default, even if you're secular.

Sorry but incorrect, the United Kingdom as with all other secular countries defaults the religion of a newborn to that of their parents, unless the parents specify otherwise.

You should perhaps re-read my use of the word "blame", as it is not aimed at an individual [namely you as I used it in response to you] but is used as a reasoning point as is common in the english language where it can be used to replace the phrase "at fault" in common vernacular.

Incidentally have you seen a birth certificate in Israel ?
There is a little box for you to fill in the religion of the newborn - and it is a standard certificate used by everyone

Lauren

12-07-2007, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by rex3
The thing that easypeasy highlights is that WERE NOT ALLOWED TO QUESTION THE JEWISH (MAJORITY) but were are allowed to question the CHRISTIAN AND MUSLIM, why becuase of how the media treats sensativity around JEWISH ISSUES.

I'd say the same thing if someone questioned Christianity or Islam in the same way.

rex3

12-07-2007, 04:08 PM

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by rex3
The thing that easypeasy highlights is that WERE NOT ALLOWED TO QUESTION THE JEWISH (MAJORITY) but were are allowed to question the CHRISTIAN AND MUSLIM, why becuase of how the media treats sensativity around JEWISH ISSUES.

I'd say the same thing if someone questioned Christianity or Islam in the same way.

what? Islam and Christianity doesnt question the same way.

I think ill end it there?

rex3

12-07-2007, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by Lauren
All Jewish businesmen are going to boycott the UK? See, thats the problem I find in your posts. You paint a negative picture of all Jews and don't accept that these are the minority, not the majority. Also, although Jews aren't a "race" as such, you're identifying one social group and presenting them in a negative light all around - this is comparable to racism.

Exactly, what im saying is the Majority of Jews would obviously have there on POLITICS, such as CHRISTIANS, and MUSLIMS, would all have a GENERAL CONCENSUS on how things should be done POLITICALLY. I respect All jews I do not want the dead, i am not something out of Hitlers army, but the GENERALY CONCENSUS with the ZIONISTS is what I critisized.

by the way I differiantate between Zionists and Jews. The only reason I say Jews all the time, is becuase people DO NOT KNOW WHAT ZIONISTS mean, or even semetisim.

The thing that easypeasy highlights is that WERE NOT ALLOWED TO QUESTION THE JEWISH (MAJORITY) but were are allowed to question the CHRISTIAN AND MUSLIM, why becuase of how the media treats sensativity around JEWISH ISSUES.

Islam and Christianity have been heavily bon barded through the decades.

Originally posted by easypeasy
Its nothing like racism, if a bunch of people want to be labelled together as having the same set of ethics or religious beliefs that comes through choice not through circumstance such as skin colour or sexual preference.
Are we not allowed to oppose other peoples beliefs in this country anymore?

rex3

12-07-2007, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by rex3
Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by rex3
The thing that easypeasy highlights is that WERE NOT ALLOWED TO QUESTION THE JEWISH (MAJORITY) but were are allowed to question the CHRISTIAN AND MUSLIM, why becuase of how the media treats sensativity around JEWISH ISSUES.

I'd say the same thing if someone questioned Christianity or Islam in the same way.

what? Islam and Christianity doesnt question the same way.

I think ill end it there?

with all due respect i think your thinking of the Halaucaust and Hitler every time some one mentions Jews. That is not the case. Im not even talking the History of Jews and all that.

Im talking about the General CONCENSUS current ZIONISTS have..

Lauren

12-07-2007, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by rex3
for example take this woman who is jewish

She is jewish yet she doesnt belive in what the Majority of Jews (Zionists) believe in: -

http://www.ultimateuploader.com/files/228903.jpg

Are you saying the majority of Jews are pro-violence Zionists?

Edit: Also, I'm not referring to Hitler, Holocaust, WWII or anything of the sort. At all. Ever.

Dr43%er

12-07-2007, 04:14 PM

"WERE NOT ALLOWED TO QUESTION THE JEWISH"

Who says I can't? I bloody well will if I want to.

easypeasy

12-07-2007, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by Lauren
There's "blame" occurring in this discussion? Perhaps you can elaborate?
Secular people born in Christian countries aren't considered default Christians, yet in Israel you're Jew by default, even if you're secular. lol thats like a jewish stereo typical thing of always feeling guilty.....ask woody allen about that one.

rex3

12-07-2007, 04:17 PM

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by rex3
for example take this woman who is jewish

She is jewish yet she doesnt belive in what the Majority of Jews (Zionists) believe in: -

http://www.ultimateuploader.com/files/228903.jpg

Are you saying the majority of Jews are pro-violence Zionists?

Edit: Also, I'm not referring to Hitler, Holocaust, WWII or anything of the sort. At all. Ever.

lol, if you actually Knew the meaning of ZIONISM, and what IS INVOLVED IN ZIONISM, then you'd Know that any support of ZIONISM, INVOLVES VIOLENCE.

Lauren

12-07-2007, 04:19 PM

I know... which is why I said "pro-violence Zionists"....

Perhaps now you can stop patronising me and answer my question, yes?

Maybe you'd like me to repeat it ...

Are you saying that the majority of Jews are Zionists?

spacebandit

12-07-2007, 04:19 PM

Originally posted by rex3

The thing that easypeasy highlights is that WERE NOT ALLOWED TO QUESTION THE JEWISH (MAJORITY)

Excuse me - I can

Just like I will also question Moslem, should I feel the need
Just like I will also question Catholic, should I feel the need
Just like I will also question ANYONE, should I feel the need

rex3

12-07-2007, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by Lauren
I know... which is why I said "pro-violence Zionists"....

Perhaps now you can stop patronising me and answer my question, yes?

Maybe you'd like me to repeat it ...

Are you saying that the majority of Jews are Zionists?

WHAT? well the Majority of JEWS are in ISRAEL, so I guess they would be?

thats like saying the majority of people like coca cola, and a few like pepsi

easypeasy

12-07-2007, 04:21 PM

the majority of Israeli's are zionist's......... isnt that where the problem starts?

Lauren

12-07-2007, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by rex3
Originally posted by Lauren
I know... which is why I said "pro-violence Zionists"....

Perhaps now you can stop patronising me and answer my question, yes?

Maybe you'd like me to repeat it ...

Are you saying that the majority of Jews are Zionists?

WHAT? well the Majority of JEWS are in ISRAEL, so I guess they would be?

thats like saying the majority of sheep like grass

Ok so you are more than happy to stick with the statement, "Most Jews are violent" ? This brings me back to my original point... you're presenting a social group in a negative light.

Stu

12-07-2007, 04:21 PM

nodisharmony

12-07-2007, 05:41 PM

Originally posted by Stu

That we are entitled to have strong views back and he is having his say.

That is debate, which I am aware of:thumbs:

Strong opinions, bring out Strong views and viewpoints.

nodisharmony :angel:

nodisharmony

12-07-2007, 05:44 PM

Originally posted by Dr43%er
"WERE NOT ALLOWED TO QUESTION THE JEWISH"

Who says I can't? I bl***y well will if I want to.

I am sure he has the right to say that, but you can ignore it, which you perhaps will.

nodisharmony :angel:

Dr43%er

12-07-2007, 06:21 PM

Nothing to do with having a right to say it or ignore it. He said I could not question the Jewish. Wrong, I can. And will if the needs arise.

rex3

12-07-2007, 08:27 PM

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by rex3
Originally posted by Lauren
I know... which is why I said "pro-violence Zionists"....

Perhaps now you can stop patronising me and answer my question, yes?

Maybe you'd like me to repeat it ...

Are you saying that the majority of Jews are Zionists?

WHAT? well the Majority of JEWS are in ISRAEL, so I guess they would be?

thats like saying the majority of sheep like grass

Ok so you are more than happy to stick with the statement, "Most Jews are violent" ? This brings me back to my original point... you're presenting a social group in a negative light.

i dont want to seem like im patrinosing but incase you dont know what zionism means...

it means, whiping out Palestine and creating a new country on top of it called Israel, which factually (before you call me a racist) is run and 97% of them are Jewish, where as palestine use to have more of an equal share of christian muslims and jews.

And whiping out Palestine, which they have already done so involves VIOLENCE, and who ever wants a state of ISRAEL, equals PALESTINIANS DEAD AND OUT! So ZIONISM involves killing people and invading there country so they can create there own. WHO EVER WANTS ZIONISM, INVOLVES THEM WANTING VIOLENCE. So yes!

What im trying to say is not All Jews want Israel, becuase:-

Orthodox Jews believe that God didnt want a state of Israel, and that Jews should live amongst others side by site
And other Jews dont want Israel becuase of the deaths that have been happening

There are Zionist BUSINESSMEN in the UK, Like Lord Levy who pressurise the UK government becuase of the money they have to make the UK do what they want.

lily.

12-07-2007, 08:35 PM

Wow. I'm astonished.

rex3

12-07-2007, 11:12 PM

Can i Re-Iterate this some more, should i possibly have it as my signature I DONT KNOW!!!!!

i dont want to seem like Im patrinosing but incase you dont know what zionism means...

it means, whiping out Palestine and creating a new country on top of it called Israel, which factually (before you call me a racist) is run and 97% of them are Jewish, where as palestine use to have more of an equal share of christian muslims and jews.

And whiping out Palestine, which they have already done so involves VIOLENCE, and who ever wants a state of ISRAEL, equals PALESTINIANS DEAD AND OUT! So ZIONISM involves killing people and invading there country so they can create there own. WHO EVER WANTS ZIONISM, INVOLVES THEM WANTING VIOLENCE. So yes!

What Im trying to say is not All Jews want Israel, becuase:-

Orthodox Jews believe that God didnt want a state of Israel, and that Jews should live amongst others side by site

And other Jews dont want Israel becuase of the deaths that have been happening

There are Zionist BUSINESSMEN in the UK, Like Lord Levy who pressurise the UK government becuase of the money they have to make the UK do what they want.

Lauren

13-07-2007, 12:43 AM

Originally posted by Stropz
Wow. I'm astonished.

Not only that, but I'm enthralled, excited, informed, cutting edge and goddamn pleased.

Thank you rex, for you alone have opened my eyes to something I was so blind and naive too before. I don't know why it hasn't struck me before, perhaps the right internet-protestor didn't inform me in the past... but... wow!

rex3

13-07-2007, 12:47 AM

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by Stropz
Wow. I'm astonished.

Not only that, but I'm enthralled, excited, informed, cutting edge and goddamn pleased.

Thank you rex, for you alone have opened my eyes to something I was so blind and naive too before. I don't know why it hasn't struck me before, perhaps the right internet-protestor didn't inform me in the past... but... wow!

well im please to be at you service of knowledge and very happy to have stated a thousand times at your Accusations of me being a racist.

Lauren

13-07-2007, 12:48 AM

Perhaps if I bold it and capitalise it like you favour, it might enter your brain

I didn't say you were racist, I said it was COMPARABLE to racism....

rex3

13-07-2007, 12:53 AM

Originally posted by Lauren
Perhaps if I bold it and capitalise it like you favour, it might enter your brain

I didn't say you were racist, I said it was COMPARABLE to racism....

ok its comparable to racism... yet your not calling me a racist

Lauren

13-07-2007, 12:55 AM

*claps* It all sinks in.

rex3

13-07-2007, 01:06 AM

Originally posted by Lauren
*claps* It all sinks in.

what are you talking about, if you knew what Semetism means then youd know what your talking about

spitfire

13-07-2007, 01:14 AM

Originally posted by rex3
Originally posted by Lauren
*claps* It all sinks in.

what are you talking about, if you knew what Semetism means then youd know what your talking about I wouldnt pull people up for spelling as im not to great at it but as you think your so smart on this subject id suggest that before accusing someone of not knowing what they are talking about,maybe you should spell the word you are obsessed with correctly.semitism.:pat:

rex3

13-07-2007, 01:16 AM

Originally posted by spitfire
Originally posted by rex3
Originally posted by Lauren
*claps* It all sinks in.

what are you talking about, if you knew what Semetism means then youd know what your talking about I wouldnt pull people up for spelling as Im not to great at it but as you think your so smart on this subject id suggest that before accusing someone of not knowing what they are talking about,maybe you should spell the word you are obsessed with correctly.semitism.:pat:

ok