Debate: so we're supposed to ignore the palestinian victims?

[Nicky91]

why are the jewish people getting the favourite treatment


while you also have many many innocent palestinian victims, caused by stupid moron Netanyahu and his lunatic IDF



what makes the jewish people better than the innocent palestinian civilians




and no i'm not antisemitic for the last time, but sorry i can't simply ignore the palestinian victims



already bad enough we have a war for almost 75 years there, so i can't simply pick a side and ignore the other side their casualties


i feel also bad i made myself quite unpopular through these stressful times



both sides have wrong people leading them, and yes Hamas are terrorists, they basically are leading Palestine into the grave but IDF are in the wrong either, by just thinking of the palestinian civilians as ''expendable collateral damage''


like what the **** aren't people with common sense use their common sense and go for the cleanest, most efficient way to deal with terrorists, without too much loss of innocent life



i didn't want to post this in the Israel-Hamas thread not to derail the official news topic any further

[joeysteele]

A lot of thought provoking content there from you Nicky.

I just want to say, no you are NOT antisemetic.
It gets wildly branded about in veiled accusations both on here on and off this forum.
Plus in the wider world outside too.

For myself this senseless slaughter of innocents from both sides, is heartbreaking.
Hamas are evil terrorists, Israel is right to pursue and attempt to eradicate them from Palestine.
How many more innocent lives of even children which are likely to result in that aim, is both heartbreaking and frightening.
For ALL concerned on both sides.

[user104658]

Unfortunately, as middle-eastern Muslims they're seen (quite openly) as less than human by many of the people making the decisions here -- they refer to them as animals, vermin, barbarians.

I wouldn't worry too much about feeling unpopular on here as a number of members have made it very clear that they're aligned with this thinking and that, indeed, collateral damage in this situation is "acceptable" (so long as it's just The Others dying). The "poor Israel and think of the hostages" is a paper-thin veneer over a general western supremist ideology. It's only going to decline further -- just yesterday we had "The Enemy Within" propaganda creeping onto the forum... perhaps the person posting it doesn't know the implications or history of that ideology... perhaps they do :idc:.

Worse yet there are plenty of pockets of people both online and in politics who seem outright thirsty for the violence. They wanted this long before recent events kicked off. This is a long-desired justification to, at this point quite blatantly, seek to begin a purge of the middle east.

[Niamh.]

Unfortunately, as middle-eastern Muslims they're seen (quite openly) as less than human by many of the people making the decisions here -- they refer to them as animals, vermin, barbarians.

I wouldn't worry too much about feeling unpopular on here as a number of members have made it very clear that they're aligned with this thinking and that, indeed, collateral damage in this situation is "acceptable" (so long as it's just The Others dying). The "poor Israel and think of the hostages" is a paper-thin veneer over a general western supremist ideology. It's only going to decline further -- just yesterday we had "The Enemy Within" propaganda creeping onto the forum... perhaps the person posting it doesn't know the implications or history of that ideology... perhaps they do :idc:.

Worse yet there are plenty of pockets of people both online and in politics who seem outright thirsty for the violence. They wanted this long before recent events kicked off. This is a long-desired justification to, at this point quite blatantly, seek to begin a purge of the middle east.

I think this is why the coverage and discourse in Ireland is a bit different to most of the rest of western countries. It's comparable to how Irish people were treated and spoken about not that long ago.

[Crimson Dynamo]

"why are the jewish people getting the favourite treatment"

no point making another thread about this and starting it with a statement you cant back up

Lets see the evidence and then we can discuss

[Cherie]

I can't imagine where you get the idea the Palestinians have been forgotten about there are thousands marching every weekend in all UK cities, what does appear to be forgotten is the slaughter visited upon Israel on 7th October, the hostages, and the subsequent effect the carpet bombing of Gaza is having on Jews who live outside Israel and how their lives are being impacted despite in the main not agreeing with the IDF or Israels response, its a mess on all sides and its hard to see this ending well for anyone

[user104658]

I can't imagine where you get the idea the Palestinians have been forgotten about there are thousands marching every weekend in all UK cities, what does appear to be forgotten is the slaughter visited upon Israel on 7th October, the hostages, and the subsequent effect the carpet bombing of Gaza is having on Jews who live outside Israel and how their lives are being impacted despite in the main not agreeing with the IDF or Israels response, its a mess on all sides and its hard to see this ending well for anyone

I really hope I'm wrong but I'm more and more convinced that the entire situation is a precursor to justifying the removal of Iran from the board, and essentially securing Israel + Saudi (US proxy) as having full control of the Middle East.

I guess they couldn't do imaginary WMD's again, people would have been sus.

[Cherie]

I think this is why the coverage and discourse in Ireland is a bit different to most of the rest of western countries. It's comparable to how Irish people were treated and spoken about not that long ago.

During the troubles, I never felt unsafe in the UK, yes there were stupid people who said stupid things, or thought all Irish people were members of the IRA but in the main there were no issues, I think you lived here for a period of that time too? I don't think Jews in Britain or anywhere in the world no matter what their views feel 100% safe today

[Niamh.]

During the troubles, I never felt unsafe in the UK, yes there were stupid people who said stupid things, or thought all Irish people were members of the IRA but in the main there were no issues, I think you lived here for a period of that time too? I don't think Jews in Britain or anywhere in the world no matter what their views feel 100% safe today

In the 90's I definitely felt some backlash but generally it was ok. I was more talking a little further back than that though about Irish people being referred as savages etc

https://medium.com/special-collections/punch-and-anti-irish-sentiment-in-nineteenth-century-britain-blog-post-by-jack-wise-3c9196f2c28d

[user104658]

During the troubles, I never felt unsafe in the UK, yes there were stupid people who said stupid things, or thought all Irish people were members of the IRA but in the main there were no issues, I think you lived here for a period of that time too? I don't think Jews in Britain or anywhere in the world no matter what their views feel 100% safe today

Well, there's no such thing as visibly Irish.

I don't say that flippantly - I know accents are a thing and I know that people are and have been persecuted on the basis of an accent - but it's worth pointing out that there's an element of Othering that can only occur with race. A huge proportion of Britain has Irish blood somewhere in their past - not so with Jews/Muslims.

I can also tell you for a fact that the situation was not the same in the West of Scotland and there was lots (and lots) of sectarian violence ... but the whole place is bright Orange so that's unsurprising. One step away from National Front.

[smudgie]

I don’t think anyone is being ignored.
Or their plight.
My heart goes out to all the victims of this war.
I do however blame Hamas for it, and those other terrorists that support them.
You can’t go and slaughter all those innocent people and not expect retaliation.
I am sure we would all love a peaceful solution but you can’t reason with terrorists.

[MTVN]

I can't imagine where you get the idea the Palestinians have been forgotten about there are thousands marching every weekend in all UK cities, what does appear to be forgotten is the slaughter visited upon Israel on 7th October, the hostages, and the subsequent effect the carpet bombing of Gaza is having on Jews who live outside Israel and how their lives are being impacted despite in the main not agreeing with the IDF or Israels response, its a mess on all sides and its hard to see this ending well for anyone

:clap1:

[user104658]

You can’t go and slaughter all those innocent people and not expect retaliation.


This is the foundational pillar of extremism/terrorism and terrorist recruitment.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Humza Useless spending 24/7 bleating about a ceasefire

There was a ceasefire on the 6th October

:skull:

[user104658]

Humza Useless spending 24/7 bleating about a ceasefire

There was a ceasefire on the 6th October

:skull:

Community notes:
The ground invasion of Gaza began on the 27th of October.

[Liam-]

Also there wasn’t a ceasefire on the 6th at all, Palestinians were being slaughtered for 75 years indiscriminately before the 6th

[arista]

"so we're supposed to ignore the palestinian victims? "

No Nicky

Watch UK Ch4HDnews at 7PM

All Victims on both sides
are featured.

Ignore the sad bbc

[Cherie]

In the 90's I definitely felt some backlash but generally it was ok. I was more talking a little further back than that though about Irish people being referred as savages etc

https://medium.com/special-collections/punch-and-anti-irish-sentiment-in-nineteenth-century-britain-blog-post-by-jack-wise-3c9196f2c28d

Yeah I get the point you are making, I am just trying to draw from my own experience of being in England during some of the 'Troubles' that I never felt unsafe but I don't think the current situation Jews find themselves is the same

[Niamh.]

Yeah I get the point you are making, I am just trying to draw from my own experience of being in England during some of the 'Troubles' that I never felt unsafe but I don't think the current situation Jews find themselves is the same

I was just making that specific point about the dehumanising language and how similar it was to how we Irish we're labelled and spoken about at one point in time.

Unfortunately I think both religious groups may be feeling unsafe in Britain at the moment, I definitely understand that

[Cherie]

I was just making that specific point about the dehumanising language and how similar it was to how we Irish we're labelled and spoken about at one point in time.

Unfortunately I think both religious groups may be feeling unsafe in Britain at the moment, I definitely understand that



The visible support is for the Palestinians though via the numbers that turn out at Marches , (even though the UK is allegedly very racist) so they can take comfort from that at least, Jews in the meantime have been told not to wear Jewish jewellery or Kippagh and have security on their schools

[bots]

There were no protests around the world when Russia refused a humanitarian ceasefire in Ukraine. Why is it different in Gazza?

Don't people find that strange?

I think it's because people don't see it as country vs country, but as religion vs religion and as Jewish people are in the minority across the world except in Israel, it's an unfair contest wherever you are. Jewish people are overwhelmed everywhere except Israel by muslims

[user104658]

There were no protests around the world when Russia refused a humanitarian ceasefire in Ukraine. Why is it different in Gazza?

Don't people find that strange?

Because world governments weren't backing Russia. I don't think this is very mysterious, no.

[Nicky91]

because Russia were the same as Hamas, also vile terrorists

[bots]

Because world governments weren't backing Russia. I don't think this is very mysterious, no.

many of the world governments are not backing Israel either

This is a religious jihad, and people better start seeing it before its too late

[user104658]

I think it's because people don't see it as country vs country, but as religion vs religion and as Jewish people are in the minority across the world except in Israel, it's an unfair contest wherever you are. Jewish people are overwhelmed everywhere except Israel by muslims

This could perhaps be a point but when Israel itself is clear that being Jewish is not just about Judaism but is a distinct racial and cultural heritage inseparable from Israel there's not really a lot that can be done about that. "Country vs Country" as opposed to "Religion vs Religion" is a very thin (or in their own view, nonexistent) differential when it comes to Israel and that's at Israel's own insistence, as well as baked into the founding if Israel as a modern state. It was the WHOLE point.

[user104658]

many of the world governments are not backing Israel either

The ones where there are protests against the government are though. I genuinely don't know if I'm missing something here. People protest when their views are at odds with the government. Western governments unilaterally support Israel. Thus, there are protests against the Israeli offensive in those countries. You asked why there were no protests about Russia invading Ukraine. The answer is because Western governments were already alligned with Ukraine. So there was nothing to protest?

[user104658]

many of the world governments are not backing Israel either

This is a religious jihad, and people better start seeing it before its too late

It's a middle-east resources proxy war like every other war in the Middle East.

[Livia]

I think this is why the coverage and discourse in Ireland is a bit different to most of the rest of western countries. It's comparable to how Irish people were treated and spoken about not that long ago.

Ireland doesn't have a good relationship with Israel at the best of times.

Irish Republicans supported the Third Reich during WW2. About 60,000 Irishmen fought for Germany. So I'm not sure why Ireland not supporting Israel is a surprise for some.

[Stu]

Ireland doesn't have a good relationship with Israel at the best of times.

Irish Republicans supported the Third Reich during WW2. About 60,000 Irishmen fought for Germany. So I'm not sure why Ireland not supporting Israel is a surprise for some.
Can you hit me up with citation for this when you're done casually equating Ireland with Nazism?

[Ninastar]

Yes cause there have been so many marches and protests in support of the jews

[user104658]

Irish Republicans supported the Third Reich during WW2.

Oh wow :joker:.

Early on, a few fringe elements within Irish Republican movements pushed the idea that if Germany won the war they would liberate Ireland from British control, at a time when it looked very feasible that Germany was going to take all of Europe.

A lot of people were putting those pieces in place. For example - the vast majority of the British aristocracy.

The quoted statement above is a shocker even considering the source :umm2:.

[user104658]

Yes cause there have been so many marches and protests in support of the jews

See above re: government support - you don't have to march to support something that your government is already supporting. Where is the logic, people?? **** me it's tough being on this forum sometimes.

Where's the march in support of Jewish people/Israel? If you pop your head out the window, perhaps you'll see a couple of multi-billion-dollar Aircraft Carriers and the overwhelming might of the US military "marching" east. They're quite big.

[Niamh.]

Oh wow :joker:.

Early on, a few fringe elements within Irish Republican movements pushed the idea that if Germany won the war they would liberate Ireland from British control, at a time when it looked very feasible that Germany was going to take all of Europe.

A lot of people were putting those pieces in place. For example - the vast majority of the British aristocracy.

The quoted statement above is a shocker even considering the source :umm2:.



Seriously :laugh:

[OnTheRight]

Ireland doesn't have a good relationship with Israel at the best of times.

Irish Republicans supported the Third Reich during WW2. About 60,000 Irishmen fought for Germany. So I'm not sure why Ireland not supporting Israel is a surprise for some.

Fact. :thumbs:

[user104658]

Fact. :thumbs:

Is it, though?

[bots]

the ira got a lot of weapons from the middle east to support their cause. Cooperation between terrorist groups. That doesn't make the typical irish person supportive of middle east causes

[user104658]

the ira got a lot of weapons from the middle east to support their cause. Cooperation between terrorist groups. That doesn't make the typical irish person supportive of middle east causes

And the Middle East got most of those weapons from the US and Russia back when the US (more openly than now) used Jihadis as military pawns.

[Livia]

A report from two years ago entitled: First Comprehensive report on shocking Antisemitism which contaminates Irish Politics, Irish Society and social media

https://embassies.gov.il/dublin/Relations/Pages/a-s-in-ireland.aspx



From July this year

https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-748823

Tweets from Irish politicians are readily googleable. They include: Throw the Jew down the well.... Hitler didn't kill enough Jews... etc. I'm sure not all Irish people think the same, but it makes me laugh when people align themselves with Palestine because the Irish were once persecuted. The Jews have, of course, never suffered any persecution... right?

On this forum, I have reported posts for being anti-Semitic (in accordance with the definition on the UK government's website and the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance) and my reports have been ignored. I'm not even going into Nicky's nonsense... While I have been infracted as "racist" for condemning Africans who murder children because they think they are witches.

There are 1.9 billion Muslims in the world. There are just 16 million Jews worldwide. It wouldn't take long to wipe us all out, and we still fear it may come.

[Liam-]

The answer to the question is yes, Israel and all complicit governments and countries do want us to at least ignore the crimes against Palestinians, they would however prefer it if everyone got on board and condoned the mass slaughter of the Palestinian people like they do

[Stu]

Just to clue everyone else in: 60,000 Irish people didn't fight for the Nazis in World War II. This is - in fact - the conservative number of Irish people who fought for the British armed forces in that same war.

[Crimson Dynamo]

while you also have many many innocent palestinian victims, caused by stupid moron Netanyahu and his lunatic IDF

what makes the jewish people better than the innocent palestinian civilians

and no i'm not antisemitic for the last time, but sorry i can't simply ignore the palestinian victims


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[DemolitionRed]

Perhaps more people need to read papers like Haaretz. Its written in both Hebrew and English and is presently doing an obituary on the site for the 1,300 Israelis killed by Hamas.
48.4 percent - have been confirmed to be soldiers and police officers. 13 are described as rescue service members, and the remaining are ostensibly considered to be civilians. Seven were between the ages of 4 and 7, and nine between the ages of 10 and 17. It reports there were no beheaded babies or babies thrown into fires.
Whilst I completely condemn Hamas for the murder of so many people, I refuse to listen to British MSM who appear to be fueling this fire with unimaginable horrors of rape, torture and beheading.

[Mystic Mock]

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Is this person a reliable source?

You have to be careful with all of the propaganda surrounding this war.

[user104658]

Perhaps more people need to read papers like Haaretz. Its written in both Hebrew and English and is presently doing an obituary on the site for the 1,300 Israelis killed by Hamas.
48.4 percent - have been confirmed to be soldiers and police officers. 13 are described as rescue service members, and the remaining are ostensibly considered to be civilians. Seven were between the ages of 4 and 7, and nine between the ages of 10 and 17. It reports there were no beheaded babies or babies thrown into fires.
Whilst I completely condemn Hamas for the murder of so many people, I refuse to listen to British MSM who appear to be fueling this fire with unimaginable horrors of rape, torture and beheading.

The consistent publishing of completely unverified propaganda over the last month has been absolutely next level... some of it is quite clear fiction and it's copy-pasted onto the site without any sort of critical eye.

[Nicky91]

Is this person a reliable source?

You have to be careful with all of the propaganda surrounding this war.

obviously not, just some moron posting for the memes and the likes



i'd more believe actual valid news when it comes from a news tabloid or FOX News or CNN

[Cherie]

Perhaps more people need to read papers like Haaretz. Its written in both Hebrew and English and is presently doing an obituary on the site for the 1,300 Israelis killed by Hamas.
48.4 percent - have been confirmed to be soldiers and police officers. 13 are described as rescue service members, and the remaining are ostensibly considered to be civilians. Seven were between the ages of 4 and 7, and nine between the ages of 10 and 17. It reports there were no beheaded babies or babies thrown into fires.
Whilst I completely condemn Hamas for the murder of so many people, I refuse to listen to British MSM who appear to be fueling this fire with unimaginable horrors of rape, torture and beheading.

I am pretty sure 40 minutes of footage was released to journalists from Hamas body cams? and there was also facebook footage

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-shows-foreign-press-raw-hamas-bodycam-videos-of-murder-torture-decapitation/