Why does Noky not fit in either group

[Cherie]

She seems so nice and genuine and beautiful ....is it her beauty that makes people keep her at arms lengths, even Yinrun has had a gossip about her ...

[Niamh.]

I think originally she nailed her flag to the wrong group who seemed to look down at her a bit (a bit of inverted snobbery at play imo certainly from Paul) I think by the time she realised that that group didn't like her that much, the others had already made their bonds, luckily Trish has kind of taken her under her wing. I think she's just a reserved person in general, could be from spending time on those beauty pageant circuits where you have to watch what you say and be very mannerly etc

[Zizu]

She seems so nice and genuine and beautiful ....is it her beauty that makes people keep her at arms lengths, even Yinrun has had a gossip about her ...


I’ve always felt that Olivia was threatened by Noky’s ‘natural’ beauty tbh


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[Zizu]

I think originally she nailed her flag to the wrong group who seemed to look down at her a bit (a bit of inverted snobbery at play imo certainly from Paul) I think by the time she realised that that group didn't like her that much, the others had already made their bonds, luckily Trish has kind of taken her under her wing. I think she's just a reserved person in general, could be from spending time on those beauty pageant circuits where you have to watch what you say and be very mannerly etc


Exactly . All of the above


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[Ammi]

…she did say that she didn’t do ‘the group thing’…that being part of a group isn’t a dynamic she’s comfortable with…the she prefers to just spend time with individuals etc…which also leaves her having a vulnerability as well by nature…but I admire her for that, that she hasn’t wavered in that even though that’s what the house has become…a group environment….

[OnTheRight]

Because she is up her own arse and thinks she is something special.

[bots]

She is something special, compared to that mob in there

[Ray.]

To my mind it's because she's levelheaded and not impulsively tribalistic like so many people tend to be.

[Raxton]

Because of her personality tbh

Noky really care of what the public might think, sometimes it takes priority over her own feelings. Thats why, she rarely show her vulnerabilities / flaws. She always want to look perfect & watch what she says / do

If you meet a stranger like that, who always consider what they say / do in front of you. You would assume either that person doesnt like you / fake like what the other HMs are saying in the early days tbh

But once you get to know her, people will get past that.. since they know its just part of who she is

[Niamh.]

She is something special, compared to that mob in there

Indeed

[joeysteele]

I've never been able to take to Noky.
There's something fails to ring true from her to me.

I wouldn't know where anyone really stood with her.
Maybe most of them in there don't either.
Hence her like floating around the outside mainly.

[Ammi]

Because of her personality tbh

Noky really care of what the public might think, sometimes it takes priority over her own feelings. Thats why, she rarely show her vulnerabilities / flaws. She always want to look perfect & watch what she says / do

If you meet a stranger like that, who always consider what they say / do in front of you. You would assume either that person doesnt like you / fake like what the other HMs are saying in the early days tbh

But once you get to know her, people will get past that.. since they know its just part of who she is

…I agree with a lot of what you say, Raxton…I always think as well that she seems quite a self disciplined person and I’m aware thats said to be a huge trait that is learned through pageant life …so I think there’s that as well…that, that might appear to be thought of as being more ‘detached’, you know…

[GlitterUK]

I think because she hasn't picked a side nobody will fully accept her because she is a loose cannon and could throw anyone under the bus nomination wise. She is the unknown.

[fruit_cake]

Because of her personality tbh

Noky really care of what the public might think, sometimes it takes priority over her own feelings. Thats why, she rarely show her vulnerabilities / flaws. She always want to look perfect & watch what she says / do

If you meet a stranger like that, who always consider what they say / do in front of you. You would assume either that person doesnt like you / fake like what the other HMs are saying in the early days tbh

But once you get to know her, people will get past that.. since they know its just part of who she is

that's an interesting take, I also wonder if inside Noky is a very insecure but also superficial person

She's either sobbing about something or obsessively trying to use intuition to incorrectly guess what other housemates may or may not feel visa vis the situation in the house.

If there is a fake housemate in the house, then for me it's her.. sorry Noky fans

[bots]

She has probably avoided being in gangs/groups all her life. So this is just the norm for her wherever she is

[thesheriff443]

For me, I think noky has no real interest in any of them
She is on the show to get noticed for more television work

[Garfie]

She seems so nice and genuine and beautiful ....is it her beauty that makes people keep her at arms lengths, even Yinrun has had a gossip about her ...

Noky can align herself to either group, and both groups have shown they accept her. It is Noky who chooses to keep others at arm’s length, and to keep fairly superficial relationships with all of them.

[Garfie]

…she did say that she didn’t do ‘the group thing’…that being part of a group isn’t a dynamic she’s comfortable with…the she prefers to just spend time with individuals etc…which also leaves her having a vulnerability as well by nature…but I admire her for that, that she hasn’t wavered in that even though that’s what the house has become…a group environment….

Although she willingly aligned herself to Trish’s group when the need arose for her. I think Noky does what serves her best at the time.

[Ammi]

Although she willingly aligned herself to Trish’s group when the need arose for her. I think Noky does what serves her best at the time.

…I think that maybe she spends time with specific people in a group, rather than in a group, if that makes sense…when something was said and she was ‘grouped together’ with Trish, she made a point a point of saying…similar words to she and Trish not spending that much time together or sum such similar thing…

[fruit_cake]

Noky can align herself to either group, and both groups have shown they accept her. It is Noky who chooses to keep others at arm’s length, and to keep fairly superficial relationships with all of them.

I agree

[Garfie]

Because she is up her own arse and thinks she is something special.

I do think she emits a sense of superiority around others, but I would imagine the world of beauty contests is a pretty competitive and superficial one, where people gain their self-worth from the image they portray, and from being regarded as the best - it’s the sort of environment where everyone is there very much as an individual and for themselves, rather than to belong to a group.

[Oliver_W]

Because of her personality tbh

Noky really care of what the public might think, sometimes it takes priority over her own feelings. Thats why, she rarely show her vulnerabilities / flaws. She always want to look perfect & watch what she says / do

If you meet a stranger like that, who always consider what they say / do in front of you. You would assume either that person doesnt like you / fake like what the other HMs are saying in the early days tbh

But once you get to know her, people will get past that.. since they know its just part of who she is

I think originally she nailed her flag to the wrong group who seemed to look down at her a bit (a bit of inverted snobbery at play imo certainly from Paul) I think by the time she realised that that group didn't like her that much, the others had already made their bonds, luckily Trish has kind of taken her under her wing. I think she's just a reserved person in general, could be from spending time on those beauty pageant circuits where you have to watch what you say and be very mannerly etc


I'm not saying this is a direct comparison, but something about her reminds me of the theatre kids I used to work with. A lot of them were very stereotypically Theatre Kid(tm) times, and there was a bit of a front going on, if that makes sense. They weren't being maliciously false, but there were some (especially those to whom that kind of mannerism didn't necessarily come naturally) who came off as fake.

I don't know much about the beauty pageant world, but I'd bet it's at least broadly similar.

That's the vibe I get from Noky, anyway.

[Niamh.]

I'm not saying this is a direct comparison, but something about her reminds me of the theatre kids I used to work with. A lot of them were very stereotypically Theatre Kid(tm) times, and there was a bit of a front going on, if that makes sense. They weren't being maliciously false, but there were some (especially those to whom that kind of mannerism didn't necessarily come naturally) who came off as fake.

I don't know much about the beauty pageant world, but I'd bet it's at least broadly similar.

That's the vibe I get from Noky, anyway.

Yeah, exactly what i meant by that. It's probably a type of protection or front that people involved in stuff like that have to put up around themselves, it's probably hard to separate your real self from that performing side after a while

[vesavius]

She seems so nice and genuine and beautiful ....is it her beauty that makes people keep her at arms lengths, even Yinrun has had a gossip about her ...

In short... Choice.

She chose to play a specific game. To keep everyone at arm's length, not get too close, and try to stay on good terms with both. This led to both sides not trusting her.

I like her a lot but I can't deny she is in there to play to win and that she uses and plays others in the game to that end.

[GoldHeart]

She's had it one of toughest in there , I think because she wasn't in a specific group ....and floated around. In BB people get too paranoid ,and it seems you have to pick a side . And she picked the wrong side with Paul's group. I think even now she's still trying to be everyone's friend. But yeah she is a nice person.

[MTVN]

I think she initially gravitated towards the younger housemates because they're a similar age and she's quite playful and energetic like they are. I'm not sure they fully accepted her though because they felt intimidated by her intelligence. At the same time it's worth remembering that Henry and Jordan were a bit cliquey early on and basically joined at the hip so maybe she didn't feel that comfortable spending a lot of time with them. It even took a while for Matty to really start talking to them. Noky also got on with Trish but it was a bit of a big sister relationship (Trish is a fair few years older after all) so they weren't super close. She obviously always trusted Trish the most though. I also think it's not really in her nature to be factional and get really invested in the 'divide' - I mean of all the housemates in there I think she's the one who has bitched about other people the least. Some people are apparently suspicious of that.

So yeah I think it's a combination of circumstance, maybe spending time with the wrong people early on, and just her personality that's meant she's sadly been pretty isolated in there

[Vanessa]

She's a floater, but that's ok. So is Matty.

[rusticgal]

I've never been able to take to Noky.
There's something fails to ring true from her to me.

I wouldn't know where anyone really stood with her.
Maybe most of them in there don't either.
Hence her like floating around the outside mainly.

I feel exactly the same…

[Vanessa]

I feel exactly the same…

She's not opening up. Complete opposite of Trish who I think is amazing.

[GoldHeart]

She's not opening up. Complete opposite of Trish who I think is amazing.

How can you say Noky hasn't opened up after the week both her & Trish have had , that's confusing to me .

Even when she didn't see her sister, you could see she was emotional :shrug: .

[Vanessa]

How can you say Noky hasn't opened up after the week both her & Trish have had , that's confusing to me .

Even when she didn't see her sister, you could see she was emotional :shrug: .

She's a fence sitter. Nice person, but I find her boring.

[GoldHeart]

She's a fence sitter. Nice person, but I find her boring.

Jordan & Henry sat on their arses nodding ....when Olivia and her group slagged Trish & Noky off , I'm pretty sure there's a few " fence sitting" going on . Matty was trying to be everyone's friend, but he atleast disagrees with Jenkin etc .

Chanelle use to act like she was playing both sides of the fence , but she's just 2 faced and bitter now.

[Vanessa]

Jordan & Henry sat on their arses nodding ....when Olivia and her group slagged Trish & Noky off , I'm pretty sure there's a few " fence sitting" going on . Matty was trying to be everyone's friend, but he atleast disagrees with Jenkin etc .

Chanelle use to act like she was playing both sides of the fence , but she's just 2 faced and bitter now.

Yes, Matty does the same. Noki is definitely not the only one.
But Henry and Jordan make me smile.

[Maru]

My guess would be her fragility (not in a negative way)/heart on her sleeve side contradicting her switching to a hard exterior probably didn't mix very well with the HMs in the beginning and it left a lasting impression. If I remember correctly, she was a bit of a mess at points. Her ability to then switch her emotions off and hitch to other people's ride afterwards and play nice with the group probably has not helped either. That has led to accusations of her being super fake.

Individually she is a fantastic person. In a group setting, she is more awkward. She is highly self-aware and it makes it very difficult to keep in with the group if she's bouncing between dissociating her feelings to cope in an intense environment and having to deal with her emotions in response to others and to also keep others in check.

[Parmy]

She stuck all her eggs in one basket with Zak. But he left.

[Zizu]

She stuck all her eggs in one basket with Zak. But he left.


Yeah . True enough


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[GoldHeart]

Tonight proved Noky can't win ,Henry & Yinrun just come across as fake to me now :bored: .

Jenkin was bringing up the toilet being blocked again, it's not funny. He's the one who poos himself and leaves the toilet in a mess for others to find . Yet he's scape goating Noky ,as he sees her as a easy target.

[fitz2k2]

We seen every angle of each housemate. Noky we still dont know the other noky. Off camera noky because she is giving us pagent noky 24.7.

[fitz2k2]

Jordan & Henry sat on their arses nodding ....when Olivia and her group slagged Trish & Noky off , I'm pretty sure there's a few " fence sitting" going on . Matty was trying to be everyone's friend, but he atleast disagrees with Jenkin etc .

Chanelle use to act like she was playing both sides of the fence , but she's just 2 faced and bitter now.
Jordan and henry will never defend anyone except each other.

[Garfie]

We seen every angle of each housemate. Noky we still dont know the other noky. Off camera noky because she is giving us pagent noky 24.7.

Agree with you here. We know both the good and bad points of the other housemates, but we seem to only know the very surface level of Noky.

[Mokka]

I think she initially gravitated towards the younger housemates because they're a similar age and she's quite playful and energetic like they are. I'm not sure they fully accepted her though because they felt intimidated by her intelligence. At the same time it's worth remembering that Henry and Jordan were a bit cliquey early on and basically joined at the hip so maybe she didn't feel that comfortable spending a lot of time with them. It even took a while for Matty to really start talking to them. Noky also got on with Trish but it was a bit of a big sister relationship (Trish is a fair few years older after all) so they weren't super close. She obviously always trusted Trish the most though. I also think it's not really in her nature to be factional and get really invested in the 'divide' - I mean of all the housemates in there I think she's the one who has bitched about other people the least. Some people are apparently suspicious of that.

So yeah I think it's a combination of circumstance, maybe spending time with the wrong people early on, and just her personality that's meant she's sadly been pretty isolated in there

This is the closest description to how I view Noky. Her person or personality aren't really my thing, but I admire how she hasn't "picked a side". I find the divided house story line to be quite boring. The fact she is being ostracized for not drawing a line is her one endearing quality for me.
Conversely, Trish slapping down Jenkins attempt at an olive branch shows a significant flaw in her character. It continued the cycle of divide. If her answer was different, these housemates would have had a chance at reconciliation and she might not have been nominated this week.

[bots]

This is the closest description to how I view Noky. Her person or personality aren't really my thing, but I admire how she hasn't "picked a side". I find the divided house story line to be quite boring. The fact she is being ostracized for not drawing a line is her one endearing quality for me.
Conversely, Trish slapping down Jenkins attempt at an olive branch shows a significant flaw in her character. It continued the cycle of divide. If her answer was different, these housemates would have had a chance at reconciliation and she might not have been nominated this week.

that's very true on Trish. She is as responsible as anyone for there being a divide, but the audience seem to like her for that

[Maru]

Agree with you here. We know both the good and bad points of the other housemates, but we seem to only know the very surface level of Noky.

I blame the edit to some degree. Someone who tries to control their composure so much is probably hard to distill down to compelling content. The small talk mostly won't air which is probably where most of her thoughts are. For BB, character development is what happens when people come together or clash in a big way. She doesn't trust anyone and thus generally runs from confrontation to her own detriment because that is how the public will get to know her. I am beginning to think she shouldn't have been cast.

[MTVN]

We seen every angle of each housemate. Noky we still dont know the other noky. Off camera noky because she is giving us pagent noky 24.7.

Agree with you here. We know both the good and bad points of the other housemates, but we seem to only know the very surface level of Noky.

See you say this but posters do seem to be able to identify lots of different aspects of Noky's personality. Even people who aren't that keen on her generally agree she's very gracious, intelligent and well spoken. To that I'd add that she's very empathetic, self-aware, trusting, good humoured and energetic. We've seen evidence of all of those traits in the house. And if you wanted to talk about possible bad points she no doubt has those too as the criticisms of her make out. They normally highlight that she can come across as a people pleaser, a bit detached, averse to confrontation and can be emotional.

So imo she's revealed a huge amount of her personality for someone that is only 'surface level'. I think that she's shown a lot of depth and the fact that she's been discussed and analysed so much in the last couple of weeks shows what a great housemate she is

[Ammi]

…I’m just thinking, in terms of a group dynamic situation…is part of why she wouldn’t seem to have ‘a fit’…also because maybe groups are drawn to what someone would bring to a group…as in for the garden group, Noky doesn’t really have a place in and with the meanness they’ve displayed…like Chanelle for instance…she’s not only now displaying that she’s a willing part of negativity but possibly ‘a leader’…so she’s been a natural ‘recruit’…in the other group, she’s been close to Trish as an individual but that’s the thing with that group…there is individual closeness and friendships etc…but they’re not a group in the same way as the garden ones…so she couldn’t find a fit anyway in something that hasn’t really formed in the same way…?…I don’t know, I’m just musing…

[bots]

Yinrun highlighted why she doesn't fit yesterday. First she nominated her, and then when it was announced that she was up for eviction, Yinrun held Noky's hand and comforted her.

What in any of that makes sense?

[Ammi]

..because in having to choose someone to nominate and having reasons for that, wouldn’t and doesn’t mean that there isn’t a feeling a comfort also…it isn’t an all or nothing thing…things don’t always fit exactly into making complete sense in the artificial world of a BB dynamics…i mean, if Noky hasn’t fitted and reasons are being pondered etc…Yinrun’s comfort doesn’t have any baring, surely…interesting as well, as I’ve just thought about it this moment…it’s always been a bit confusing to me why Jordan has consistently nominated Noky when there isn’t any obvious reason to and also he/they’ve been quite friendly also …I don’t know if he’s comforted Noky but he’s nominated her most times, hasn’t he…?..or a lot of times…it’s a layered/complicated world, in the BB house…

[Ammi]

…is this the first time that Yinrun has nominated Noky…?…I would assume that she nominated from the heart but that doesn’t mean it could be an action from the heart also to comfort someone if that’s what’s being felt….

[Atake25]

She comes across as a bit boring on the live feed

[Garfie]

Yinrun highlighted why she doesn't fit yesterday. First she nominated her, and then when it was announced that she was up for eviction, Yinrun held Noky's hand and comforted her.

What in any of that makes sense?

The truth is, if a housemate gets along well with everyone, as the numbers decrease they would have to nominate someone they liked. Consequently, she has chosen the person she least relates to. But that doesn’t mean she doesn’t like or care for Noky, or that she is unable to feel empathy for her.

[bots]

The truth is, if a housemate gets along well with everyone, as the numbers decrease they would have to nominate someone they liked. Consequently, she has chosen the person she least relates to. But that doesn’t mean she doesn’t like or care for Noky, or that she is unable to feel empathy for her.

there are too many left for that to happen yet.

I think it was a tactical vote, which is fine, but it should be seen for what it is. She heard Noky getting huge cheers, so she thought, lets get rid of her before the final

[Cherie]

Its funny because Matty can flit between the groups with ease and gets no flak for it

Noky is meant to stick like glue to Trish because she stood up for her, yet Chanelle is demonised for sticking with her friends, what is Noky meant to to I wonder

[Ammi]

there are too many left for that to happen yet.

I think it was a tactical vote, which is fine, but it should be seen for what it is. She heard Noky getting huge cheers, so she thought, lets get rid of her before the final

…if it was a tactical vote from Yinrun…then she would have to have anticipated and calculated as it were…that for one, Noky would have to receive enough multiple votes to be up …and also that she would be unpopular enough with the public to be voted out…and Noky had huge crowd cheers less than a week ago…so that would all be some kind of crazy tactics…anyway, I do personally believe that Yinrun finds it difficult to vote and has been consistent with that…so whether it’s easier or harder to understand a nomination, I do believe it’s from her own heart and thoughts….

[Garfie]

.it’s always been a bit confusing to me why Jordan has consistently nominated Noky when there isn’t any obvious reason to and also he/they’ve been quite friendly also …I don’t know if he’s comforted Noky but he’s nominated her most times, hasn’t he…?..or a lot of times…it’s a layered/complicated world, in the BB house…

The truth is housemates are nominating the person they least like, rather than a person they dislike. Jordan has explained previously that he doesn’t feel he is seeing the real Noky beneath the surface, and that he doesn’t fully trust her.

We all perceive people differently, and I think that, as observers, viewers like to see housemates in a very one-dimensional and cartoon-like way, and can, therefore, become very polarised in their views.

A lot of viewers can, or will, therefore, interpret every action of a housemate they like positively, while judging every action of those they dislike negatively. We see this all the time in the comments.

It all becomes a bit extreme, and sometimes we can forget that every housemate in there has layers - they all have good qualities and some less appealing qualities, but that’s the nature of humankind. They are much more complex than the one-dimensional caricatures that are painted of them,

[bots]

It's so hypocritical of Jordan when even his voice is fake :laugh:

[Ammi]

The truth is housemates are nominating the person they least like, rather than a person they dislike. Jordan has explained previously that he doesn’t feel he is seeing the real Noky beneath the surface, and that he doesn’t fully trust her.

We all perceive people differently, and I think that, as observers, viewers like to see housemates in a very one-dimensional and cartoon-like way, and can, therefore, become very polarised in their views.

A lot of viewers can, or will, therefore, interpret every action of a housemate they like positively, while judging every action of those they dislike negatively. We see this all the time in the comments.

It all becomes a bit extreme, and sometimes we can forget that every housemate in there has layers - they all have good qualities and some less appealing qualities, but that’s the nature of humankind. They are much more complex than the one-dimensional caricatures that are painted of them,

…yeah, one of the most common reasons given was…the housemates that I most want to spend my last week with etc…the ones that I connect with most…BB life has much more layers to the housemates than we might see and discuss etc…

[arista]

Because she is up her own arse and thinks she is something special.


Not that bad.


She has Experienced, a better crew

[Garfie]

Its funny because Matty can flit between the groups with ease and gets no flak for it

Noky is meant to stick like glue to Trish because she stood up for her, yet Chanelle is demonised for sticking with her friends, what is Noky meant to to I wonder

I think the difference between Matty and Noky, is that he has been very open and true to his real character and values. He seems able to make connections with people from all walks of life, and has shown kindness and support to housemates on both sides throughout. He hasn’t wavered from that, and seems real.

Noky, on the other hand, seems much more distant and aloof. She doesn’t seem connected to anyone on a deeper level. And in contrast to Matty, she seemed to align herself to the garden group much more before the falling out with Paul, at which point she flipped to the other group,

We all have different values and morals, and I think both Jordan and Yinrun have justifiable views of Noky. It’s not a case of them necessarily disliking her, or expecting her to ‘stick like glue to Trish’ , but more a case of them recognising elements of Noky’s character that go against their core values.

In some ways it is much better and much more honest to vote according to your own views, values and feelings, rather than going with a group dynamic. It shows they are assessing each housemate as individuals, rather than on a group identity.

[MTVN]

Noky and Jordan actually seem quite friendly now that he's spent time with her and given her a chance which he didn't do in the first couple of weeks. I mentioned yesterday that him and Henry were quite cliquey at the start and Henry confirmed that for me with his nomination for Noky last night for daring to join 'their village'

[Atake25]

Its funny because Matty can flit between the groups with ease and gets no flak for it

Noky is meant to stick like glue to Trish because she stood up for her, yet Chanelle is demonised for sticking with her friends, what is Noky meant to to I wonder

Matty chats with all of that group though Noki talks to Jordan Trish and seems to exclude Henry and Yinrun

[Garfie]

Noky and Jordan actually seem quite friendly now that he's spent time with her and given her a chance which he didn't do in the first couple of weeks. I mentioned yesterday that him and Henry were quite cliquey at the start and Henry confirmed that for me with his nomination for Noky last night for daring to join 'their village'

But the truth is, MTVN, that you can be friendly with others - particularly when having to share a house with them for 6 weeks - without trusting them fully or liking every aspect of their character.
And Henry didn’t vote Noky for ‘daring to join their village’ - that’s far too simplistic- his vote was about the reasons behind her choice to do so, and for what that suggested about her.

[MTVN]

But the truth is, MTVN, that you can be friendly with others - particularly when having to share a house with them for 6 weeks - without trusting them fully or liking every aspect of their character.
And Henry didn’t vote Noky for ‘daring to join their village’ - that’s far too simplistic- his vote was about the reasons behind her choice to do so, and for what that suggested about her.

But if he had a shred of awareness he'd appreciate that she mainly did so because she'd been subject to harassment from Paul and felt completely isolated, his comments suggest he was totally unempathetic to that fact.

I quite like Henry but I do think he's shown himself to be lacking in awareness for anyone but himself. The amount of times he's used Trish as an outlet for all his problems but has never showed her any support

[Vanessa]

It's so hypocritical of Jordan when even his voice is fake :laugh:

He hasn't nominated Noki.

[Ammi]

…I think also, we see things from perspectives of different and varied associations of housemates…will we judge them more harshly or will we try to understand actions more etc…?…it’ll be the same for the housemates, which is why it’s not easy to relate one specific thing to another or one housemate’s actions with another…

[Garfie]

there are too many left for that to happen yet.

I think it was a tactical vote, which is fine, but it should be seen for what it is. She heard Noky getting huge cheers, so she thought, lets get rid of her before the final

I really don’t see her that way, and thought her reasons were justifiable, particularly as she is so close and loyal to Trish. And I don’t see Yinrun as some evil little schemer and, surely if she was, she would realise that the cheers suggest Noky wouldn’t be evicted, so it would be a wasted vote.

[Garfie]

But if he had a shred of awareness he'd appreciate that she mainly did so because she'd been subject to harassment from Paul and felt completely isolated, his comments suggest he was totally unempathetic to that fact.

I quite like Henry but I do think he's shown himself to be lacking in awareness for anyone but himself. The amount of times he's used Trish as an outlet for all his problems but has never showed her any support

I can agree that Jordan can lack some empathy for others, but to his credit, he has said he’s seen a different side to Noky since she has spent more time with the group.

Henry, I just don’t perceive in the same way as you. From my perception, he has shown a lot of kindness, friendship and support to other housemates, and he seems to get along well with the majority.

[Ammi]

I really don’t see her that way, and thought her reasons were justifiable, particularly as she is so close and loyal to Trish. And I don’t see Yinrun as some evil little schemer and, surely if she was, she would realise that the cheers suggest Noky wouldn’t be evicted, so it would be a wasted vote.

…that’s really why I can’t get the tactic thing at all or any forethought into it…surely Noky more at the height of her popularity and the most ‘pointless’ housemate to vote for in any tactical way…so far as the housemate must feel, I mean…because she’s stayed over what they felt were such potential winners../Paul and Dylan…so it wouldn’t only be pointless, it would feel almost self harming also…it would surely for me be no question of being a heart vote and consistent with Yinrun’s nominations in general through her time…

[GlitterUK]

Noky isn't going anywhere I think she will make the final so her fence sitting and not picking a side will have worked.

[MTVN]

I can agree that Jordan can lack some empathy for others, but to his credit, he has said he’s seen a different side to Noky since she has spent more time with the group.

Henry, I just don’t perceive in the same way as you. From my perception, he has shown a lot of kindness, friendship and support to other housemates, and he seems to get along well with the majority.

Fair enough, I'd like to see more from Henry especially given how important Trish has been to him in there but it will be interesting how the next few highlights pan out

[GlitterUK]

Henry needs a secret mission.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

What I've learned from this- do not be a floater for a long period of time. Upon meeting people pick a side and pick a side quickly and stick with them. Also do not have neutral opinions and sit on the fence have a strong opinion and be prepared to back it up at all times


Well dang can people have peace while still trying to figure things out and still be liked and loved or nah ?

[Garfie]

Henry needs a secret mission.

That’d be interesting, but he seems to be gaining immensely in popularity even without that.

[GlitterUK]

True he doesn't need it but would be good to see him given one. King Henry for the win!

[Niamh.]

What I've learned from this- do not be a floater for a long period of time. Upon meeting people pick a side and pick a side quickly and stick with them. Also do not have neutral opinions and sit on the fence have a strong opinion and be prepared to back it up at all times


Well dang can people have peace while still trying to figure things out and still be liked and loved or nah ?

Matty has done more or less the same as Noky and he doesn't get any back lash in the house. If Zak had stayed in the house things would have been very different for Noky I think, he was her person in there

[GlitterUK]

Matty for me has his own voice and that whats sets them aside, Noky just sets Trish free.

[rusticgal]

Noky and Jordan actually seem quite friendly now that he's spent time with her and given her a chance which he didn't do in the first couple of weeks. I mentioned yesterday that him and Henry were quite cliquey at the start and Henry confirmed that for me with his nomination for Noky last night for daring to join 'their village'


Henry never said that...his reason was very valid. Noky suddenly started spending all her time with the upstairs group to get away from Paul and then as soon as he left she went back to the garden group....

[Garfie]

What I've learned from this- do not be a floater for a long period of time. Upon meeting people pick a side and pick a side quickly and stick with them. Also do not have neutral opinions and sit on the fence have a strong opinion and be prepared to back it up at all times


Well dang can people have peace while still trying to figure things out and still be liked and loved or nah ?

I think you can be a permanent floater as long as you are open, honest, true to yourself and stand by your principles, and as long as you don’t speak behind people’s backs or express conflicting views depending on who you are talking to. You need to show you can be trusted, and not playing one group off against another.

Matty has shown you can be a floater, getting along with people on both sides by being just like this. Despite being close to her, he was open and honest with Trish in telling her that he did not share her view of Dylan when she initially expressed negative views about him. In being honest and upfront, he shows he’s trustworthy.

[Garfie]

Henry never said that...his reason was very valid. Noky suddenly started spending all her time with the upstairs group to get away from Paul and then as soon as he left she went back to the garden group....

Which made him feel they were being used.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

I think she was more with one group (Olivia/Tom) and neglected her relationships with the other group (Jordan and yinran), then she mistakenly nominated Olivia pissing the one group off and because she failed to make connections she kinda lost support from both groups

[MTVN]

Henry never said that...his reason was very valid. Noky suddenly started spending all her time with the upstairs group to get away from Paul and then as soon as he left she went back to the garden group....

She still spends more time with the upstairs lot it seems to me but the groups have become more fluid now that Paul's gone. Henry spoke about their group as if it was a closed shop

[GoldHeart]

Matty drifts from group to group and never gets given a hard deal , so why does Noky get grief over it . Poor girl can't win :bored: .

[Cherie]

I think she was more with one group (Olivia/Tom) and neglected her relationships with the other group (Jordan and yinran), then she mistakenly nominated Olivia pissing the one group off and because she failed to make connections she kinda lost support from both groups

Trish nominated Olivia which was cold of her given Noky shared a bed with her

[Cherie]

Matty drifts from group to group and never gets given a hard deal , so why does Noky get grief over it . Poor girl can't win :bored: .

Nope she can’t

[Benjamin]

Matty drifts from group to group and never gets given a hard deal , so why does Noky get grief over it . Poor girl can't win :bored: .

I think his personality is easier to get on with. Up until last week most people on here saw Noky as hard to read. She’s nice but she’s hard to read so it’s a reason people won’t fully trust her and nominate her.

[Adamw92]

She still spends more time with the upstairs lot it seems to me but the groups have become more fluid now that Paul's gone. Henry spoke about their group as if it was a closed shop

This. You see her with different people almost every night, she doesn’t just stick with one side for “safety” or whatever, she’s just trying to be be friendly to everyone.

[rusticgal]

Matty has done more or less the same as Noky and he doesn't get any back lash in the house. If Zak had stayed in the house things would have been very different for Noky I think, he was her person in there


I think with Noky….more so with the Garden gang. I think they see her as a bit up herself and patronising…whereas Matty is a natural drifter..

[Adamw92]

Matty has done more or less the same as Noky and he doesn't get any back lash in the house. If Zak had stayed in the house things would have been very different for Noky I think, he was her person in there

The public fumbled that eviction so hard, the dynamics of the house could have been so much more interesting with Zak still in the mix, it would have been very interesting to see where Noky and Zak would fall in the divide… would they join a group or form their own little group? Instead we got that bloody dull “love triangle” crap for weeks on end

[GoldHeart]

The public fumbled that eviction so hard, the dynamics of the house could have been so much more interesting with Zak still in the mix, it would have been very interesting to see where Noky and Zak would fall in the divide… would they join a group or form their own little group? Instead we got that bloody dull “love triangle” crap for weeks on end

Yeah I wish Zak was still there ,the dynamics would have been so interesting to watch .

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Trish nominated Olivia which was cold of her given Noky shared a bed with her

That's what I mean she ended up pissing the side she sorta got on better with thanks to Trish. She shouldn't have listened to Trish at all or pick someone else for help

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Matty has done more or less the same as Noky and he doesn't get any back lash in the house. If Zak had stayed in the house things would have been very different for Noky I think, he was her person in there

All true! Such a shame he went early. They would have been iconic together

[Northern Monkey]

Cos she doesn’t engage in the full on bitching sessions, she remains distant and refrains from offering an opinion. Hence, imo, people don’t know if they can 100% trust her. They will offer a bitchy contribution, which comes with a certain risk of being exposed. But Noky won’t offer that back. She plays it safe.