Home Secretary James Cleverly has admitted using a swearword at a Labour MP

[arista]

He called Stockton North a S***hole


This was on PMQ's


[The home secretary has admitted he used
"unparliamentary" language to describe
a Labour MP, a close source has said.

James Cleverly had denied claims he called
the Stockton North constituency a swearword
in response to a question in the Commons
from Alex Cunningham.

The source said on Thursday: "James made a
comment. He called Alex Cunningham a S*** MP.
He apologises for unparliamentary language."]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-67511542


On Ch5HD Live
a local fella, phoned in, & said
the Shopping mall has gone
Pott holes in the road.
Its Run down, local shops closed

He agreed with what James Cleverly, MP
Saying that word.

[joeysteele]

Another fine example of an inappropriate high office of the UK Home secretary then in Cleverly.

Sunak's judgement gets more questionable with most of his appointments to high office.

[arista]

At least he has said sorry

[Livia]

It's as inappropriate as Angela Raynor calling the Tories "scum". All politicians should be able to moderate the way they speak to, and about each other.

[arista]

It's as inappropriate as Angela Raynor calling the Tories "scum". All politicians should be able to moderate the way they speak to, and about each other.


Yes Livia
great points

[joeysteele]

Yes Livia
great points

He said it in parliament.
He should have known better.

He's actually even a Minister in one of the MAJOR offices of State.
In fact he's been in TWO of them.

I shouldn't really be surprised Cons will excuse him however.

[bots]

they all do it, they simply have no class

[bots]

the BBC printed the word said, so that gives people an idea of where it stands in the obscenity index :laugh:

[smudgie]

.

Hmmm, it has definitely gone to the dogs over the years.

[Crimson Dynamo]

because the state of that area of the NE is fine

but saying sh*t

well that is unacceptable
:mad:

[Mystic Mock]

Oh no he swore at someone?

How will we cope?

[Mystic Mock]

they all do it, they simply have no class

I agree about them having no class.

[user104658]

Someone in the government that has been in place for over a decade calling any part of the country they govern "a ****hole" is atrocious and he should frankly be removed. It may or may not be a ****hole but an attitude like that coming from near the top of the only people in any position to actually change that? It's all very well saying "it's a labour area" but the various parts of the country that are falling apart from lack of funding can't be placed on anyone but the Tories. They've been in power far too long to blame anyone else. A high-ranking Tory sitting in London mocking areas of the country that need serious attention is repugnant.

[arista]

Someone in the government that has been in place for over a decade calling any part of the country they govern "a ****hole" is atrocious and he should frankly be removed. It may or may not be a ****hole but an attitude like that coming from near the top of the only people in any position to actually change that? It's all very well saying "it's a labour area" but the various parts of the country that are falling apart from lack of funding can't be placed on anyone but the Tories. They've been in power far too long to blame anyone else. A high-ranking Tory sitting in London mocking areas of the country that need serious attention is repugnant.


No SB

The NOW
Deputy Labour women
stays in her job


After Saying The Conservatives
are SCUM

[joeysteele]

No SB

The Deputy Labour women
kept her job


After Saying The Conservatives
are SCUM

She wasn't in government nor in any major high office post as a Minister.
It's incredible how hard-line Cons will never drop that one while defending a creep like Cleverley.

Anyhow I'll say again.
A definition of scum is the worst of stuff rising to the top.
I think it fits Sunak and his rotten from the core gang perfectly.

[The Slim Reaper]

Yes Livia
great points

This man was declared fit for work and had his disability benefits cancelled so he could starve to death.

I think scum is a pretty light word to use

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_orjgYW4AAKWHL?format=jpg&name=small

[The Slim Reaper]

She wasn't in government nor in any major high office post as a Minister.
It's incredible how hard-line Cons will never drop that one while defending a creep like Cleverley.

Anyhow I'll say again.
A definition of scum is the worst of stuff rising to the top.
I think it fits Sunak and his rotten from the core gang perfectly.

It's also different calling each other names, than attacking the public.

He shouldn't be removed imo, but the conservatives are increasingly as unhinged as their American counterparts.

[joeysteele]

This man was declared fit for work and had his disability benefits cancelled so he could starve to death.

I think scum is a pretty light word to use

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_orjgYW4AAKWHL?format=jpg&name=small

They won't care a jot about that disgrace Slim.

It's nothing else but deliberate cruelty the harder rules this heartless government brought in re the sick and disabled.
Absolutely disgraceful.

[arista]

She wasn't in government nor in any major high office post as a Minister.
It's incredible how hard-line Cons will never drop that one while defending a creep like Cleverley.

Anyhow I'll say again.
A definition of scum is the worst of stuff rising to the top.
I think it fits Sunak and his rotten from the core gang perfectly.


OK Joey Edited my post



The Point is calling Conservatives "SCUM"
was wrong

[arista]

This man was declared fit for work and had his disability benefits cancelled so he could starve to death.

I think scum is a pretty light word to use





That is an Error


Needs Correcting, Slim

[user104658]

No SB

The NOW
Deputy Labour women
stays in her job


After Saying The Conservatives
are SCUM

So what? I have no issue with the language being used, personally, I'm not sensitive about naughty words. Politicians can call each other scum if they think each other are scum... they're not responsible for each other.

The reason it's so unthinkably wrong for a politician within a sitting government to refer to part of their own country as "a ****hole" is because it shows contempt for the area, suggests that it is the way that it is by it's very nature (a worthless area for worthless people) and takes no accountability for the fact that, if somewhere is a ****hole in the country you've been running for nearly 15 years, that is YOUR failing. Many towns are struggling and run down because they've been monumentally disregarded and let down by the Tory government and Tory austerity. The only words coming out of a high-ranking Tory's mouth about those towns should be apologies.

[arista]

nearly 15 years

Yes SB
Blame New Labour Gordon Stupid Brown

And Communist Corbyn

Both UnElected by our public


Labour FAILED

[joeysteele]

nearly 15 years

Yes SB
Blame New Labour Gordon Stupid Brown

And Communist Corbyn


Labour FAILED

Good grief, ..... and the Cons haven't failed after 13 and a half years in power .

Only the Cons would blame others from way over a decade ago for their own failings.
What tripe

[arista]

Joey Why could labour not get in power?

[user104658]

nearly 15 years

Yes SB
Blame New Labour Gordon Stupid Brown

And Communist Corbyn

Both UnElected by our public


Labour FAILED

So instead of blaming the government, blame the opposition, for failing to get a heartless, corrupt government out of power while they strip the country to bare bones ... that's certainly one way to look at it :umm2:.

[arista]

So instead of blaming the government, blame the opposition, for failing to get a heartless, corrupt government out of power while they strip the country to bare bones ... that's certainly one way to look at it :umm2:.



Look, they could have got into power
they made stupid mistakes.

Unelected Brown refused to have an general election.
He Got Spooked

[The Slim Reaper]

https://media.tenor.com/fCD816SFP88AAAAd/michael-jordan-laughing-funny.gif


nearly 15 years

Yes SB
Blame New Labour Gordon Stupid Brown

And Communist Corbyn

Both UnElected by our public


Labour FAILED

[joeysteele]

Look, they could have got into power
they made stupid mistakes.

Unelected Brown refused to have an general election.
He Got Spooked

Unelected Brown.

Who has elected Sunak???
The Cons didn't even complete their own electoral process with him.

Plus 2 changes of leader and PM in less than one full term of governnent since 2019.

It's okay though when the Cons abuse electoral processes.
Typical.

Why should I even be in the slightest surprised Con hardliners would allow it for them.
Unbelievable arrogance.

[The Slim Reaper]

Unelected Brown.

Who has selected Sunak???
The Cons didn't even complete their own electoral process with him.

Plus 2 changes of leader and PM in less than one full term of governnent since 2019.

It's okay though when the Cons abuse electoral processes.
Typical.

Why should I even be in the slightest surprised Con hardliners would allow it for them.
Unbelievable arrogance.

They sneakily recently passed a new law allowing way more money into elections, so there is just going to be a ton of tory bigotry in the next election cycle.

it's going ot be hostels, boats, and trans people on repeat for weeks.

[arista]

Unelected Brown.

Who has elected Sunak???
The Cons didn't even complete their own electoral process with him.

Plus 2 changes of leader and PM in less than one full term of governnent since 2019.

It's okay though when the Cons abuse electoral processes.
Typical.

Why should I even be in the slightest surprised Con hardliners would allow it for them.
Unbelievable arrogance.


He has only had power for a year.

[arista]

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[joeysteele]

He has only had power for a year.

WHO elected him?? I asked.
Plus it will be likely over 2 years he'll have had power by the time he DARES to hold an election .

The vote for Con leader didn't even go to the final stages that put him in as leader.

Plus he's the 2nd change in power of PM by the Cons in 3 years.
NO party has done that in government.

So WHO has elected Sunak?
Defend him all you like but you can't really criticise Brown while defending Sunak.
Although obviously you will.

When Blair stood down after 10 years, Brown was the only candidate who came forward for leader.
For that ONE ONLY change of leader in government.

Unlike this deceitful shocking lot of CONS.

[Oliver_W]

Unelected Brown refused to have an general election.
He Got Spooked
All PMs are unelected, bro.

[bots]

people don't vote for a prime minister, they vote for a local mp. Thats our democracy.

The PM is usually the leader of the main party in government, but it doesn't have to be. There is no public democratic method of choosing a PM, so talk of not having a mandate is just not applicable. Thats the way it's always been and it would be exactly the same with proportional representation too

[arista]

"WHO elected him"

Yes Joey
no one has elected Sunak.

Same as New Labours Brown

[arista]

people don't vote for a prime minister, they vote for a local mp. Thats our democracy.

The PM is usually the leader of the main party in government, but it doesn't have to be. There is no public democratic method of choosing a PM, so talk of not having a mandate is just not applicable. Thats the way it's always been and it would be exactly the same with proportional representation too


Yes that's how a PM gets officially Elected Like Johnson, did.

[user104658]

people don't vote for a prime minister, they vote for a local mp. Thats our democracy.

The PM is usually the leader of the main party in government, but it doesn't have to be. There is no public democratic method of choosing a PM, so talk of not having a mandate is just not applicable. Thats the way it's always been and it would be exactly the same with proportional representation too

Yes but the whole "mandate" thing is more of a moral type thing. For example, our democracy is such that referendums (such as Brexit) are also technically meaningless and not in any way binding. We vote for our representatives and trust them to make the decisions, is how it's supposed to work. In practice it doesn't really work that way; the public likes to feel like it has more control than that and so, in the same way that it would have been political suicide to not accept the results of the Brexit referendum (they did NOT have to do so), it's not good politics to continue for too long with a presidential-style Prime Minister who wasn't in charge when the party was voted in.

That's the main part of the issue really. Prime Ministers going back to Thatcher, or even Churchill, have had the flavour of a President whilst being "technically" a Prime Minister. Sunak less so than more obvious examples like Boris or Blair to be fair - he's more Littlefinger-style weasley - but still, it is what it is in the modern world. Yes "technically" they're just head of the ruling party but that's not the aesthetics of modern UK politics... The Prime Minister is the de facto head of state in the eyes of the population and crucially in the eyes of other heads of state.

[bots]

i like the system because you do have the opportunity to dump the PM if he is crap. If we voted in a president, Boris would still be in power laughing his head off

[user104658]

i like the system because you do have the opportunity to dump the PM if he is crap. If we voted in a president, Boris would still be in power laughing his head off

In principle yes but when was the last time we dumped a crap PM and got anything more than a pile of old dog sick in return?

[arista]

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