Doctor Who - 2023 Specials

[Oliver_W]

Tonight's episode was soool good :D

[bots]

it was a bit woke, but better than recent offerings

[Oliver_W]

it was a bit woke, but better than recent offerings

Meh, the "wokeness" didn't detract from it. Most of RTD's original run might be called "woke", but it was still good.

People only seem to have a problem with wokeness when the product otherwise sucks, nostalgia goggles aside.

[Livia]

It was a bit woke, but I really liked it. Good to see David Tennant back, for a while at least.

[Denver]

it was a bit woke, but better than recent offerings

How was it woke

[Oliver_W]

How was it woke

There was a part where Doc asked for an aliens pronouns.
Another where Donna and her kid were able to let go of the Meta-Crisis Energy (the stuff which would have killed Donna if she remembered her time with the Doctor) just by ... letting it go? And they said Doc wouldn't understand because he's male-presenting.

That'd be my guess. Neither bit really bothered me tbh. It was clearly tongue in cheek.

Though I'm sure there are plenty of online rants where psychos point out every little detail and tell us why we should be angry.

[Glenn.]

It was a good episode. Great to see David and Catherine back.

Howling at the bigots on Twitter as well. RTD sure does know how to twist them knickers.

[Josiah.]

I loved the episode. But only Donna could destroy the new TARDIS within 5 minutes by spilling coffee on the console.

[Oliver_W]

I loved the episode. But only Donna could destroy the new TARDIS within 5 minutes by spilling coffee on the console.

Could see THAT coming as soon as Tenzie handed her the cup :joker:

I wonder if Tardis did it on purpose - she made Doc revert to that form, she took him to that time and place, and then she served coffee to the lady who got fired for spilling coffee onto a computer :joker:
I get the feeling she heard the "one last trip" and thought NOPE!

[Gusto Brunt]

I know I am in a minority here but I find it absolutely ridiculous when I see them bringing the old Dr Who actors back, some almost 80, a couple over 80, and they're still dressed in their Dr Who clothes from their 70s and 80s Dr Who stints.

We're lead to believe these old Doctors have been taken from the time they were in to 2023. But then they should still look the same. Not look like old men.

I think they should use CGI or Deep Fake in future. To avoid this

https://images.immediate.co.uk/production/volatile/sites/3/2023/08/peter-davison-doctor-who-britbox-89a33d8-e1695820225582.jpg?quality=90&fit=700,466

to this.
https://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/Peter-Davison-2022-power-of-the-doctor-five-fifth.jpg

A doctor from his time would not age. It's so silly.

[Vanessa]

It's so good. I'm loving it. And to have David Tennant back!

[Oliver_W]

We've seen Doctors be "alive" for hundreds of years (the show doesn't move in real time) and they wear the same clothes, by and large.

That said, Matt Smith's Doctor completely changed his wardrobe after Amy and Rory left.

[user104658]

they said Doc wouldn't understand because he's male-presenting.

To be fair, with The Doctor now canonically being able to regenerate as either male or female, this could be seen as a much more literal turn of phrase.

Though it does seem to overlook poor Jodie and the fact that he was very recently female for several decades (centuries?).

[Oliver_W]

To be fair, with The Doctor now canonically being able to regenerate as either male or female, this could be seen as a much more literal turn of phrase.

Truuuuueeee, though I'm not sure about how much of Doc's recent past the Meta-Crisis would inform Donna and Rose :laugh:


Though it does seem to overlook poor Jodie and the fact that he was very recently female for several decades (centuries?).

Hmm, Doc unlearning or outright forgetting lessons learned isn't anything new tbh - even without regenerating :joker: Thirteen's personality wasn't informed or overly changed by being female, and Eleven+Twelve+Missy all have said something which suggests that gender (apparent sex of current incarnation) means a lot less to Time Lords than humans.
So Thirteen probably wouldn't have the womanly wisdom to pass on to Fourten in the first place. But if she DID, Fourten could easily have lost it!

[Liam-]

How was it woke

It had black, trans and disabled people

[user104658]

Truuuuueeee, though I'm not sure about how much of Doc's recent past the Meta-Crisis would inform Donna and Rose :laugh:



Hmm, Doc unlearning or outright forgetting lessons learned isn't anything new tbh - even without regenerating :joker: Thirteen's personality wasn't informed or overly changed by being female, and Eleven+Twelve+Missy all have said something which suggests that gender (apparent sex of current incarnation) means a lot less to Time Lords than humans.
So Thirteen probably wouldn't have the womanly wisdom to pass on to Fourten in the first place. But if she DID, Fourten could easily have lost it!

True to be fair, they're not so much talking about the experience of being female as the experience of being a Western human female. There's no real reason to assume that aliens who happen to look human have the same gender differences as humans. But then... ... ... it would of course be more accurate for them to say that The Doctor wouldn't understand because they're not human, rather than because they're not female.

[Strictly Jake]

I'm sorry, as much as I loved Catherine Tate and David Tennant's return, that story and those aliens were awful. I cringed throughout

[Strictly Jake]

I am interested to see if Liam's(was it Liam?) transition into Rose took inspiration from Rose Tyler, so I'm wondering when they get to be a real companion we might see them meeting Rose?

[Oliver_W]

I am interested to see if Liam's(was it Liam?) transition into Rose took inspiration from Rose Tyler, so I'm wondering when they get to be a real companion we might see them meeting Rose?

I think she was Jason, but either way it's not good form to refer to transpeople by their deadname.

[bots]

nope, nothing woke about the show at all :nono:

[Oliver_W]

https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=5816&stc=1&d=1701111071

[Denver]

It had black, trans and disabled people

Something that Doctor Who has done for years so clearly people have not watches it before

[Denver]

I am interested to see if Liam's(was it Liam?) transition into Rose took inspiration from Rose Tyler, so I'm wondering when they get to be a real companion we might see them meeting Rose?

Rose won't be full time, they are only around for the specials

[Nicky91]

that 2nd special was FAB :love:


those Doctor and Donna clones



once again great acting work from David and Catherine

[Nicky91]

if the 1st special was woke, wasn't bothered by it myself tbh


also La Margolyes was in top form as The Meep :clap1:

[Oliver_W]

It's weird, I say Miriam Margolyes is one of my favourite actors, but I can only name about four things from where I know her :joker: and one of them is a radio drama!

[Strictly Jake]

The third ep was the best out of the three of the specials but there were some moments I was like what the hell is going on such as the spice up your life scene....but Neil was brilliant as the toymaker and those puppets/dolls were creepy AF.

The new doctor....I'm already really liking!! David will always be my favourite and I wish he didn't get such a boring ending stuck with Donna for the rest of his life...poor sod....but yeah I'm excited for the future of the show as that third special had some brilliant moments

[Nicky91]

third special was phenomenal


also keeping David's Doctor around is also pretty useful should they want to go with more of these specials honestly since he still has a Tardis as well ;) rather than saying goodbye to his doctor and him transitioning into Ncuti Gatwa's doctor as the sole doctor, very nice plot twist

[user104658]

David will always be my favourite and I wish he didn't get such a boring ending stuck with Donna for the rest of his life...poor sod....

I'm a bit baffled by the plan so far - they did a whole big thing about how he needed to just stay put for a while to get his bearings... but, he kept the Tardis and at the end it's mentioned he's already whizzed people off to New York and... err... Mars. Maybe the idea is just that he won't get involved in any drama? :think:

However...

...they made a whole big deal about how he hasn't stopped since he took off in the Tardis.

...Except it isn't true. He did it TWICE as the 12th Doctor (Capaldi). He spent 24 years on Darillium with River Song, and he spent several decades in Bristol as a University professor guarding Missy's prison. In the second case, you could argue that he was technically "on the clock" guarding The Master, but it seems that not much happened at all in those decades. He was pretty settled teaching at the University. Though I guess he was more or less alone. Still even if you discount that one - with River Song he presumably spent 24 years drinking wine and having Netflix and Chill with his wife? :think: How long is he going to be with Donna on Earth that's longer.

RTD retconning IMO. I don't mind it, necessarily, but it would have been easily enough avoided as a plot hole if they'd just quoted the things that have happened post-River Song (including her death).

[Nicky91]

gonna watch the xmas special back bit later on before going to bed i guess on Disney

@Soldier Boy


maybe he won't get involved in any of the main series drama anymore okay, but having him as well to live his life, with his own Tardis now with Donna, Rose, makes me think he could return with them for some specials to come :think:

[Vanessa]

Really enjoyed Dr Who today. Can't wait for the new series.
Loved all the specials as well.

[Nicky91]

yes also can't wait for the new series


where were Shirley Ballas, Johannes Radebe their cameo's then? i didn't notice them in any of the specials :conf:

[arista]

The new Dr.Who
was so predictable.

No one getting hurt.

Disney - BBC
now over doing the music backing,
no need.


Pathetic start to a New Doctor.


Also, the new Sonic screwdriver
is now like a Phaser from Star Trek?

[Oliver_W]

I thought it was quite good. Low stakes etc are fine for Christmas.

[Vanessa]

I thought it was quite good. Low stakes etc are fine for Christmas.

I'm enjoying the new Dr and his assistant. It works for me!

[arista]

I'm enjoying the new Dr and his assistant. It works for me!


But the story of how they meet
is terrible.

Do you need Big Orchestra Music Backing.

Before Disney Took over
it had something

[user104658]

The new Dr.Who
was so predictable.

No one getting hurt.


This is fairly typical of the Christmas episodes in general though. They're not going to have a dark episode for the Christmas special :laugh:.

[bots]

This is fairly typical of the Christmas episodes in general though. They're not going to have a dark episode for the Christmas special :laugh:.

Clara

[user104658]

Clara

Well yes and no. I guess at the time yes.

Spoiler I guess?

We do EVENTUALLY find out that Victorian Clara was just a Clara variant scattered throughout the Doctor's past at a later date. Was she technically a real individual in her own right? I suppose that's a bit of a moral quandary...

[user104658]

Well yes and no. I guess at the time yes.

Spoiler I guess?

We do EVENTUALLY find out that Victorian Clara was just a Clara variant scattered throughout the Doctor's past at a later date. Was she technically a real individual in her own right? I suppose that's a bit of a moral quandary...

Oh no...

"Uhh that was technically just a Clara copy not the original Clara."
"WELL THAT'S ALRIGHT THEN!"

:worry: I've fallen for The Doctor's justifications :worry:

[Nicky91]

new upcoming season coming to Disney+ in May

[Nicky91]

the new season is also referred to as ''Season One'' because of the new Disney/BBC deal


what we know so far about characters/cast


BAFTA winning child actor Lenny Rush has a role in this as some mysterious character named Morris

Torchwood, Game of Thrones actress Indira Varma also has a role in this


Yasmin Finney is reprising her role as Rose Noble


and also award winning american actor Jonathan Groff has a important role


american drag queen Jinkx Monsoon will portray a major villain

.

[Glenn.]

Steven Moffat has written an episode of Series 15/Season 1

[Nicky91]

Dame Sian Phillips joining the cast :eek: :eek:

90 yrs old :flutter: the former I Claudius, Clash of the Titans actress

[Crimson Dynamo]

The woke Doctor Who reboot led by Ncuti Gatwa and Russel T Davies has lost over 2 million viewers, according to the UK overnight ratings system, as the show continues its nosedive from the Christmas Special and the three 60th Anniversary specials that aired in 2023, as well as the downfall of the Chris Chibnall and Jodie Whittaker era.

Doctor Who Series 14 debuted the first two episodes on Saturday, May 11, with the first episode, “Space Babies,” bringing in 2.6 million viewers.

However, 200K of the fans didn’t stick around for the second episode, “The Devil’s Chord,” as only 2.4 million viewers tuned in.

The numbers are significantly down from the 2023 Christmas Special – already the lowest rated Doctor Who Christmas Special – of 4.73 million viewers.

The numbers are also down a lot from the first 2023 special featuring the return of David Tennant that drew in 5.08 million viewers, with the three specials the lowest rated of Tennant’s career.

[bots]

i saw the episode before eurovision and it was cringe bad, i won't be watching it until there is a turnaround

[arista]

I recorded it.

To me, it did not work well.
All that Disney Cash for the sad BBC

I would like a Story not smiles all the bloody time

[arista]

i saw the episode before eurovision and it was cringe bad, i won't be watching it until there is a turnaround


I felt the same

[joeysteele]

It was a poor return on Saturday before Eurovision.

The casting seems all wrong sadly .
I've avid Dr Who fans in my family who all but one was extremely disappointed on Saturday.
In fact didn't finish watching the second episode.

I won't be surprised if it continues to do less well.

[arista]

It was a poor return on Saturday before Eurovision.

The casting seems all wrong sadly .
I've avid Dr Who fans in my family who all but one was extremely disappointed on Saturday.
In fact didn't finish watching the second episode.

I won't be surprised if it continues to do less well.

Yes I recorded both
but watching most of episode 1
I deleted both.


A story should be established
at the start.

[Liam-]

Devils chord was a masterpiece

[Glenn.]

Imagine being such an awful person to call a program woke because the lead actor is a gay black man. It’s bad when you don’t even try to hide how repulsive you are

[Crimson Dynamo]

Imagine being such an awful person to call a program woke because the lead actor is a gay black man. It’s bad when you don’t even try to hide how repulsive you are

ill be sure to pass on your triggered reply to Mat McGoin of Cosmic Book Views who wrote the article

:joker:

:facepalm:

[Oliver_W]

The seemingly low viewing figures aren't as bad as they seem when one considers the viewing habits of today, the fact that the episodes had been available to watch on iPlayer for about 20 hours before the broadcast, and that the two episodes were second and third highest viewing figures of the day, with Eurovision being first.

[user104658]

The seemingly low viewing figures aren't as bad as they seem when one considers the viewing habits of today, the fact that the episodes had been available to watch on iPlayer for about 20 hours before the broadcast, and that the two episodes were second and third highest viewing figures of the day, with Eurovision being first.

I agree the ratings figures are entirely meaningless - this is just not how people consume non-live television any more. Totally outdated metric, can only really get a true idea of viewership by looking at streaming stats in 6+ months time (and that is also what the execs will be looking at).

I haven't watched the new episodes yet so we ll reserve judgement. I don't like the idea of a musical number for the sake of a musical number, but apparently it may have an in-universe explanation. I enjoyed the Toy maker stuff so :shrug:.

I've also seen the clip of the abortion social commentary from the first episode and all I'd really say about it is that it's too on the nose and thus comes across a bit preachy - and that's from someone who wholeheartedly agrees with the gist of what's being said. It just feels schlocky.

BUT

Anyone who says there hasn't been schlocky/unsubtke preaching in Doctor Who all along is lying to themselves.

[bots]

I agree the ratings figures are entirely meaningless - this is just not how people consume non-live television any more. Totally outdated metric, can only really get a true idea of viewership by looking at streaming stats in 6+ months time (and that is also what the execs will be looking at).

I haven't watched the new episodes yet so we ll reserve judgement. I don't like the idea of a musical number for the sake of a musical number, but apparently it may have an in-universe explanation. I enjoyed the Toy maker stuff so :shrug:.

I've also seen the clip of the abortion social commentary from the first episode and all I'd really say about it is that it's too on the nose and thus comes across a bit preachy - and that's from someone who wholeheartedly agrees with the gist of what's being said. It just feels schlocky.

BUT

Anyone who says there hasn't been schlocky/unsubtke preaching in Doctor Who all along is lying to themselves.

my likes are a lot more basic. I either like a tv show or i don't, it wouldn't even get to the "this is woke" for me, because something can be woke and entertaining, they are not mutually exclusive concepts

[Mystic Mock]

This is fairly typical of the Christmas episodes in general though. They're not going to have a dark episode for the Christmas special :laugh:.

That'd be one of my favourite Christmas specials.:devil:

[Oliver_W]

my likes are a lot more basic. I either like a tv show or i don't, it wouldn't even get to the "this is woke" for me, because something can be woke and entertaining, they are not mutually exclusive concepts

"Woke" as a label only seems to be applied to things which are crap tbh. Socially conscious episodes of old Star Trek or XMen or whatever don't get labelled with it, if they're good. And modern things with diverse casts or which are about Issues(tm) seem to dodge the label too.

[Mystic Mock]

my likes are a lot more basic. I either like a tv show or i don't, it wouldn't even get to the "this is woke" for me, because something can be woke and entertaining, they are not mutually exclusive concepts

I agree with this actually.

You might want to tell Melonie Mac on YouTube about some "Woke" stuff being actually decent.

Admittedly Doctor Who under Chris Chibnall and Jodie Whittaker, not being one of those examples.:joker:

[user104658]

Watched the first two and I have to say, I actually thought they were both great. Some slight wokeness? Sure but honestly no moreso than any Doctor Who in the modern era. My verdict thus far has to be that the people whining that it's "gone woke" simply have their own agenda to grind.

I thought I'd hate ep 2 but it's probably the best episode since the early Capaldi era.

[Mystic Mock]

I agree with this actually.

You might want to tell Melonie Mac on YouTube about some "Woke" stuff being actually decent.

Admittedly Doctor Who under Chris Chibnall and Jodie Whittaker, not being one of those examples.:joker:

After playing Control last night, it confirms mine and your point quite well BOTS.

It's got a couple of woke elements definitely there, but it's overall a good Game with some interesting Sci-Fi concepts.

[Nicky91]

good episodes so far :love:


Devils Chord definitely a amazing episode, those actor choices for The Beatles are properly chosen, styled




last saturdays ''Boom''

omg, that is some sick twisted scheme, to make these soldiers still think they're at war, while in reality they are at war with themselves, was a good idea of the doctor sending that recently deceased soldier into the computer




next saturday, is that the one with Legendary Sian Phillips? :flutter: i think it is, thought i saw her in the teaser but not sure, not really sure what she looks like currently at age of 90

[user104658]

After playing Control last night, it confirms mine and your point quite well BOTS.

It's got a couple of woke elements definitely there, but it's overall a good Game with some interesting Sci-Fi concepts.

Is Control woke? :think:

[Nicky91]

was a nice role from Sian :flutter:


a well put together episode


the woman following Ruby constantly was revealed at the end of the episode to be an older version of herself, whom at the end successfully warned her from the doctor from stepping on that witches circle thing



i like this season a lot so far

[Vanessa]

Enjoyed that episode tonight.

[user104658]

That last episode... For anyone who actually got it is an absolute ASSAULT on wokeness :umm2:. Holy crap :joker:. An absolute madness... We'll see where we go from here but the comments about it having gone woke, after that, are wildly off-base. RTD just straight up kicking "the community" in the stones. I doubt most people will actually get it though. Which is really in itself a meta-commentary.

[Mystic Mock]

Is Control woke? :think:

I'd say mildly, nothing narrative destroying though imo.

I would say that the combat was annoying though, it put me off the Game.:laugh:

[user104658]

I'd say mildly, nothing narrative destroying though imo.

I would say that the combat was annoying though, it put me off the Game.:laugh:

Just pump every single point and upgrade pretty much into the telekinesis skills and it's a good "power fantasy" IMO especially once you have the flying abilities etc... Can more or less ignore the gun entirely, upgrade the basic pistol mode fully and ignore the other modes. Telekinesis is OP. But in a fun way. The "If in doubt, throw a forklift truck at them with your mind" method.

[Mystic Mock]

Just pump every single point and upgrade pretty much into the telekinesis skills and it's a good "power fantasy" IMO especially once you have the flying abilities etc... Can more or less ignore the gun entirely, upgrade the basic pistol mode fully and ignore the other modes. Telekinesis is OP. But in a fun way. The "If in doubt, throw a forklift truck at them with your mind" method.

Thanks for the tip, in case I do go back to it in the future.

I don't get the point of a skill tree being put in the Game though, if only one thing is of any use to the player.

[Oliver_W]

Watched the first two and I have to say, I actually thought they were both great. Some slight wokeness? Sure but honestly no moreso than any Doctor Who in the modern era. My verdict thus far has to be that the people whining that it's "gone woke" simply have their own agenda to grind.

I thought I'd hate ep 2 but it's probably the best episode since the early Capaldi era.
I've liked all of the episodes so far.

The apparent "wokeness" didn't really bother me as the episodes were good. I still maintain something that's good won't be called woke tbh.

But then I'm relatively easy to please :joker:

That last episode... For anyone who actually got it is an absolute ASSAULT on wokeness :umm2:. Holy crap :joker:. An absolute madness... We'll see where we go from here but the comments about it having gone woke, after that, are wildly off-base. RTD just straight up kicking "the community" in the stones. I doubt most people will actually get it though. Which is really in itself a meta-commentary.
I saw it more as a jab at the yoofs who never look up from their screens, though that's the obvious "surface level" read of it.

[user104658]

I saw it more as a jab at the yoofs who never look up from their screens, though that's the obvious "surface level" read of it.

Yes and there is an obvious commentary on race, at the surface level, but really the whole thing is a commentary on being guided/controlled by "groupthink" and unwilling to consider things independently. "We can't follow you - you're not like us!", there's clearly yes a comment on race, but the real message is a quite scathing look at the concept of "If you are not of us, you are against us" that prevails in online groups.

The doctor saying "Don't follow the arrows, actually look!"
The girl panicking and shouting "Find me a safe space!!" and generally getting anxious and upset whenever the Doctor asks her to think about the world.

There's a huge comment on (and criticism of) "privileged Western online wokeism" thrown in there - "It's just about OK for us to communicate on screen, but actually TRAVEL with you...?"

I also keep seeing a misinterpretation that she blocks him at the beginning JUST because he's black but that's only part of it - she reacts to what he says, as well... there's a strong implication that she initially blocks him because he says something that she doesn't want to hear. She also mutes the goth kid who is saying things that she doesn't want to hear or think about.

Also consider the part where she throws someone she supposedly really likes and admires under the bus to save herself without a second thought :umm2:.

Finally I feel that the end is totally misinterpreted as well with SoMed branding the central character as just some evil racist. I however thought it was very well shot to show that Lindy Pepper-bean herself knows that the doctor is right, deep down actually wants to go with him, knows it would be safer, knows they're probably going to die out in the world because they have no idea what they're doing... but she still goes with them, essentially because of peer pressure, and because they'll turn on her if she dissents from the group consensus.

I honestly think standalone it's an excellent piece of TV. Plays out more like a Black Mirror episode than an episode of Doctor Who. The social media complete misreading that "it was just about racism all along" is such a delicious irony :joker:.

My only real criticism is that is seems unlikely that in 2000 years of travelling the universe that this would genuinely shock The Doctor. I know there's an argument that it's because it's the first time he's experienced it first hand but logically, that only makes sense in terms of him interacting with current-day humans as a white/black man ... he's experienced vast amounts of the past and future on planets all across the universe, there's no way he hasn't experienced the same thing from another group at some point. Like there's bound to be a spiny-headed alien out there who was disgusted by his lack of head spines. The end of the episode slightly forgot that The Doctor is not actually human. But RTD is guilty of that quite often. It worked for the storyline, just not entirely for the actual lore of the character.

[user104658]

Thanks for the tip, in case I do go back to it in the future.

I don't get the point of a skill tree being put in the Game though, if only one thing is of any use to the player.

Yes I agree with the second part - Control has a massive skill tree and loads of abilities but in literally EVERY situation the best plan is "Throw big things at them with your mind!!!", and the best upgrades are the "Throw bigger stuff!!" and "Throw even MORE stuff!!!!" upgrades :joker:. It's fun but not well-balanced gameplay wise.

[Mystic Mock]

I agree with RTD though that groupthink is a terrible thing for society.

Because everyday we're edging closer to becoming more like the Borg from the Star Trek franchise.

I haven't actually watched the episode, so I can't contribute to what I personally thought of the quality.

[Mystic Mock]

Yes I agree with the second part - Control has a massive skill tree and loads of abilities but in literally EVERY situation the best plan is "Throw big things at them with your mind!!!", and the best upgrades are the "Throw bigger stuff!!" and "Throw even MORE stuff!!!!" upgrades :joker:. It's fun but not well-balanced gameplay wise.

I did like the Game's plot though, it's better than half of the current Sci-Fi output on TV at the moment imo.:joker:

[bots]

i just thought that the episode i saw was crap, there really isn't any coming back from that

To be honest, i think netflix has led to me being fairly harsh because they come out with so much crap. There is so much media available, i generally prefer to move on pretty quickly and not look back

[user104658]

i just thought that the episode i saw was crap, there really isn't any coming back from that

To be honest, i think netflix has led to me being fairly harsh because they come out with so much crap. There is so much media available, i generally prefer to move on pretty quickly and not look back

Space Babies is the weakest episode - probably lucky that I caught up on the first three in one go rather than week-to-week.

But then I disagree that there's so much media available - 95% of what's on the streaming platforms is such utter pish, and they take SO long to release new seasons of good shows (2-3 years between seasons seems to have become a norm...) that I feel like I've seen everything worth watching, and always on the lookout for even watchable new content :umm2:.

I mean god... I watched all 20 episodes of "Another Life" ... and it revealed itself as garbage within 3 episodes :joker:.

[bots]

i really liked Another Life :laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

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Kingdom (Korean Horror series Kingdom to clarify, on Netflix.)
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[user104658]

i really liked Another Life :laugh:

I did too BOTS but objectively it was garbage :joker:. Derivative of any other Sci-Fi show or film you can think of, pretty much a paint-by-numbers I don't know if there was anything novel or unique in it whatsoever... just a mish-mash of things other shows have done :think:. BUT it was entertaining enough and sometimes that's enough.

[Nicky91]

this ''bridgerton'' inspired ep was fun :cool:


i always love that era of the 1800's tbh



were some scenes filmed in same location as Renegade Nell season 1 was filmed? some scenes felt similar, outside the palace scenes i mean

[Oliver_W]

It amused me how "diverse" the UNIT squad was - there was a mixed race transwoman, a black lesbian, a midget, an elderly woman ...

To be clear, I notice these things and find them funny, but I don't get "angry" like certain youtubers :joker:

[Nicky91]

great cliffhanger for next week tbh


i don't blame the doctor for thinking of the Tardis anagram first, but yeah Sutekh - Sue Tech, feels kinda hidden in plain sight LOL :joker:



but Who is Ruby's mom???? must be someone from the doctor's past i guess, if she was pointing at him

[Mystic Mock]

I did too BOTS but objectively it was garbage :joker:. Derivative of any other Sci-Fi show or film you can think of, pretty much a paint-by-numbers I don't know if there was anything novel or unique in it whatsoever... just a mish-mash of things other shows have done :think:. BUT it was entertaining enough and sometimes that's enough.

I haven't seen Another Life (although I do like Katee Sackhoff as an actress) but being unoriginal doesn't automatically make it a bad Show imo, because that would mean every Show that's out currently is bad.:laugh:

I mean when was the last time a TV Show was actually original?

[Mystic Mock]

It amused me how "diverse" the UNIT squad was - there was a mixed race transwoman, a black lesbian, a midget, an elderly woman ...

To be clear, I notice these things and find them funny, but I don't get "angry" like certain youtubers :joker:

I like watching Melonie Mac for the "anti-Woke" content because it's shocking and fascinating to see someone that doesn't look like the stereotype, say some of the most "wtf did I just hear you say!" Stuff in the Anti-Woke space.:laugh:

And Ryan Kinel & Synthetic Man for both fitting every negative stereotype of Anti-Woke people going, especially Synthetic Man.:joker:

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I haven't seen Another Life (although I do like Katee Sackhoff as an actress) but being unoriginal doesn't automatically make it a bad Show imo, because that would mean every Show that's out currently is bad.:laugh:

I mean when was the last time a TV Show was actually original?

I agree there's no such thing as 100% original and I actually like it when shows take inspiration from other shows, but preferably they have SOMETHING unique about them as well. Another Life I felt was for the mostpart, lots of ideas from lots of different places, sort of torn up and stitched back together as something new.

It also contains the single most painfully clunky and forced line of dialogue in TV history, as there is a non-binary character which was actually done really well for 99% of the show run and then almost at the end, when referring to something this character has said, another character unironically comes out with the line "Yeah, that's what ze said".

I mean...

...even if you are on the neo-pronouns bandwagon...

......it's SO forced. You'd need to see it. I viscerally cringed :joker:.

[Mystic Mock]

I agree there's no such thing as 100% original and I actually like it when shows take inspiration from other shows, but preferably they have SOMETHING unique about them as well. Another Life I felt was for the mostpart, lots of ideas from lots of different places, sort of torn up and stitched back together as something new.

It also contains the single most painfully clunky and forced line of dialogue in TV history, as there is a non-binary character which was actually done really well for 99% of the show run and then almost at the end, when referring to something this character has said, another character unironically comes out with the line "Yeah, that's what ze said".

I mean...

...even if you are on the neo-pronouns bandwagon...

......it's SO forced. You'd need to see it. I viscerally cringed :joker:.

I see your point.

Ouch! That sounds really cringy.:joker: