the epstein list

[bots]

The names are starting to come out. The highlights so far


Trump
Clinton
Prince Andrew
Michael Jackson

[Niamh.]

No surprises yet...

[joeysteele]

Does it tell us or contain anything really new.

[Ammi]

…and Stephen Hawking also…’no suggestion of wrongdoing’ seems to be a key phrase, though…

[user104658]

Epstein carried out a masterful obfuscation campaign - he invited anyone who was anyone on his planes and to his island legitimately. So, some of the names on the massive list will have been using his pimping services, some will have known what was going on but not "engaged" (still bad), and a very large number will never have been "in the know" at all.

Because there are so many names, it's basically impossible to know which category any one name falls into.

Unless there's other evidence of course, as with Andrew.

All of that said - I think the "category 2" number is probably quite high. There will be quite a lot of people who didn't personally do anything but knew fine well the sorts of things that were on the table.

[MTVN]

Stephen Hawking in an underage orgy was not the headline I expected to wake up to today

[Alf]

The Donald totally exonerated in the Epstein files.

It was never in any doubt to me. I've always told you that The Don is the good guy.



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[Niamh.]

Stephen Hawking in an underage orgy was not the headline I expected to wake up to today

:laugh:

[Oliver_W]

Epstein carried out a masterful obfuscation campaign - he invited anyone who was anyone on his planes and to his island legitimately. So, some of the names on the massive list will have been using his pimping services, some will have known what was going on but not "engaged" (still bad), and a very large number will never have been "in the know" at all.

Because there are so many names, it's basically impossible to know which category any one name falls into.

True, but there will be people acting like being on the list means Trump/Clinton is definitely a paedo, while ignoring the fact that Clinton/Trump is also on the list.

I take the centrist route and assume theyre both at it.
All of that said - I think the "category 2" number is probably quite high. There will be quite a lot of people who didn't personally do anything but knew fine well the sorts of things that were on the table.
Hollywood all over.

[Zizu]

Epstein carried out a masterful obfuscation campaign - he invited anyone who was anyone on his planes and to his island legitimately. So, some of the names on the massive list will have been using his pimping services, some will have known what was going on but not "engaged" (still bad), and a very large number will never have been "in the know" at all.

Because there are so many names, it's basically impossible to know which category any one name falls into.

Unless there's other evidence of course, as with Andrew.

All of that said - I think the "category 2" number is probably quite high. There will be quite a lot of people who didn't personally do anything but knew fine well the sorts of things that were on the table.


Excellent take on things.


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[bots]

People wanted "a list" and now they have it. There will be innocent people mentioned in it, but at least people are aware now. They can be wary if needed and that's no bad thing

[Niamh.]

People wanted "a list" and now they have it. There will be innocent people mentioned in it, but at least people are aware now. They can be wary if needed and that's no bad thing

I think people wanted a list so that those on it could be investigated and prosecuted but of course these people will never face any repercussions, I guess we all knew that

[Vanessa]

I've been reading about this on Twitter. Unbelievable stuff!
Did you guys know that Epstein, Ghislaine and her dad were all Mossad agents?

[arista]

I've been reading about this on Twitter. Unbelievable stuff!
Did you guys know that Epstein, Ghislaine and her dad were all Mossad agents?

Not active agents , though

[Vanessa]

Not active agents , though

The would still have contacts. The former Israel pm was seen exiting Epstein apartment in new york. What was he doing there? :suspect:

[Vanessa]

Twitter has a list of all the people who flew on Epstein island. A lot of big names in there.

[Ninastar]

Hollywood is literally filled with pedos. This is nothing new but I am here for them all being exposed

[thesheriff443]

It might as well be a shopping list

[Kazanne]

I really wouldn't rely on Twitter etc for any of my news.Lets get some proof instead of accustations of who we hope they would be .

[Vanessa]

Hollywood is literally filled with pedos. This is nothing new but I am here for them all being exposed

Not just Hollywood apparently. This is bigger than that.

[Vanessa]

I really wouldn't rely on Twitter etc for any of my news.Lets get some proof instead of accustations of who we hope they would be .

The fbi has got all the evidence from Epstein house. Where are those tapes? That should be evidence enough.

[Vanessa]

The names are starting to come out. The highlights so far


Trump
Clinton
Prince Andrew
Michael Jackson

Clinton and Andrew were frequent visitors.

[Vanessa]

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[Vanessa]

The names are starting to come out. The highlights so far


Trump
Clinton
Prince Andrew
Michael Jackson
Trump and Jackson are not on the list of clients.

[Niamh.]

Trump and Jackson are not on the list of clients.

I didn't think Epsteins Island would have much interest for MJs tastes

[Beso]

Is Johnny depp innit.

[Vanessa]

Is Johnny depp innit.

No.
But I've seen other Hollywood big names on it. Big big names.

[Vanessa]

I didn't think Epsteins Island would have much interest for MJs tastes

Mmmm, they say boys were trafficked there as well. Allegedly...

[Niamh.]

Mmmm, they say boys were trafficked there as well. Allegedly...

Oh really? awful, gets worse and worse the more information that leaks out, it's no wonder they wanted to get rid of Epstein when he was arrested

[bots]

Trump and Jackson are not on the list of clients.

Trump and Jackson were both named. I think you should read official documents rather than twitter.

It would be highly unusual for people named in court documents to be accused of anything unless they were also subject to prosecution

[Vanessa]

Trump and Jackson were both named. I think you should read official documents rather than twitter.

It would be highly unusual for people named in court documents to be accused of anything unless they were also subject to prosecution

I mean they're not on the list of clients.

[Vanessa]

Oh really? awful, gets worse and worse the more information that leaks out, it's no wonder they wanted to get rid of Epstein when he was arrested
It's bad and it gets worse the more you dig into it.

[Kazanne]

Trump and Jackson are not on the list of clients.

There you go, false accustations already, Social media is a cess pit of hearsay and gossip, let the experts do their jobs, that is IF we can trust them aswell.Never heard of most of these

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/the-epstein-list-full-list-of-names-revealed-in-unsealed-court-records-so-far/ar-AA1msTUU?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=08976e87befa4e3c84bdda4cb8cbe4c4&ei=27

[Alf]

Trump and Jackson were both named. I think you should read official documents rather than twitter.

It would be highly unusual for people named in court documents to be accused of anything unless they were also subject to prosecutionIn what ways was Trump named?

He was named, you're correct on that. But what was the context of him being named?

I've already posted a bit of him being named in this thread for you, if you need any help?

[Alf]

MAGA 2024 baby


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[bots]

I mean they're not on the list of clients.

there isn't a list of clients

[Vanessa]

there isn't a list of clients

There's a black book that Epstein kept.

[user104658]

MAGA 2024 baby


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My opinion is that Trump was probably not "partaking" in what Epstein was offering, as awful as he is it doesn't actually seem his style, however he 100% knew about Epstein Island and what went on there. There are clips of him making mocking references to "Epstein liking his girls on the young side".

Tbf I don't actually judge on that front: I think many, many people knew... But the individuals involved are very powerful and whistle blowing would have been a very bad idea.

[bots]

it's like the pedo rings there have been in the uk with the rich and powerful up to their necks in it.

[Vanessa]

it's like the pedo rings there have been in the uk with the rich and powerful up to their necks in it.

From what I've seen is worldwide.
Apparently Epstein had links to both Mossad and organized crime.
No wonder he was so rich!

[Vanessa]

Everyone surprised that Naomi Campbell is involved. I'm not :omgno:

[Mystic Mock]

Hollywood is literally filled with pedos. This is nothing new but I am here for them all being exposed

This.

[user104658]

This.

Hollywood isn't really the issue - it's the big-name politicians (both past and present) and powerful families.

[Alf]

My guess is anyone in the mainstream that suddenly became anti-Trump. Out of the Blue, just because he ran for President. Was doing so because they're in the positions of being Blackmailed.

The "Orange man bad" hysteria, which was so bizarre (never seen anything like it) Woke up many.

I have to be suspicious of this


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[Alf]

The Mayor of London tweeting out that the President of our biggest ally was not welcome in London.

Just bizarre behaviour. I was always awake to that bizarre behaviour. As I was the Plandemic.

[Alf]

You never, ever see Robert De Niro on news channels being interviewed about politics. But that not normal behaviour happened during Trump's time. And his message to you all was "Orange man bad"

[Vanessa]

My guess is anyone in the mainstream that suddenly became anti-Trump. Out of the Blue, just because he ran for President. Was doing so because they're in the positions of being Blackmailed.

The "Orange man bad" hysteria, which was so bizarre (never seen anything like it) Woke up many.

I have to be suspicious of this


LunHybOKIjU
Yes I've noticed that. It's because they know Trump can expose them. They're running scared!

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Alf]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-1229cd6c-5b87-4f7a-9eed-30c1a2c6c218.pngNever mind "return to Royal fold" What about a thorough investigation to see if he's guilty and let him stand trial like every criminal does?

[arista]

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[Alf]

The left wing tabloid has the best headline there.

[Vanessa]

I'm surprised this has made front page. It's always been swept under the carpet.
It's about time the guilty ones are held accountable!

[Nicky91]

of course Trump is not a client, he was Epstein's bestie more like ;) who also loves to ''grab em by the pussy'' his own words

[Oliver_W]

Never mind "return to Royal fold" What about a thorough investigation to see if he's guilty and let him stand trial like every criminal does?
Isn't it an issue with jurisdiction and the statute of limitations?

of course Trump is not a client, he was Epstein's bestie more like ;) who also loves to ''grab em by the pussy'' his own words
You're missing out the part where he said "they let you" - consent is obviously very important to Trump.

[Oliver_W]

Tbf I don't actually judge on that front: I think many, many people knew... But the individuals involved are very powerful and whistle blowing would have been a very bad idea.

People who speak out against "certain" people do tend to mysteriously commit suicide, tis true.

But apart from that, Trump's wealth and empire are fairly untouchable, no? Drawing a Hollywood comparison, it's not like he's a rising actress who'll be branded "difficult to work with" for refusing The Couch, and get black balled.

[Nicky91]

Isn't it an issue with jurisdiction and the statute of limitations?


You're missing out the part where he said "they let you" - consent is obviously very important to Trump.

:nono: Trump needs to be convicted so he no longer is a threat in the elections where DeSantis is hopefully gonna save the US with a more youthful president and hopefully a entire youthful government too

[user104658]

People who speak out against "certain" people do tend to mysteriously commit suicide, tis true.

But apart from that, Trump's wealth and empire are fairly untouchable, no? Drawing a Hollywood comparison, it's not like he's a rising actress who'll be branded "difficult to work with" for refusing The Couch, and get black balled.

At the time when all of this was actually going on/at it's peak though, was pre-2016. Trump always had money but in terms of power and influence he was small potatoes before he became POTUS.

[Vanessa]

They say the Clintons are behind Epstein death. He didn't commit suicide. There's evidence that he was strangled apparently.

[Oliver_W]

They say the Clintons are behind Epstein death. He didn't commit suicide. There's evidence that he was strangled apparently.

Speaking out against the Clintons is a method of suicide.

[Vanessa]

On the island there's a weird building. Underneath they have a lot of secret tunnels. Apparently they did weird rituals in there.
I think some of these poor people are sadly gone.

[Ammi]

…apparently the second lot of documents have been opened, revealing more names or more information…(…I think there was a very limited time…)…from the first openings to all of them being opened…

[user104658]

They say the Clintons are behind Epstein death. He didn't commit suicide. There's evidence that he was strangled apparently.

It's been fairly obvious from the start that he didn't kill himself, but - troublingly - there are a large number of powerful/influential individuals who could have arranged for it to happen. Not that it definitely wasn't the Clinton clan, but it's just one of many possibilities.

[user104658]

Honestly I have a very strong suspicion that Epstein was not at the top of all of this at all - he was probably more the "face" of it. A "front man". Not that we'll ever find out the true machinations behind it. But yeah... it just seems too complex of a web to be as simple as "one big ol' pimp".

[bots]

…apparently the second lot of documents have been opened, revealing more names or more information…(…I think there was a very limited time…)…from the first openings to all of them being opened…

they have hundreds of documents to unseal apparently :laugh:

I would imagine that some will still be subject to legal action as named people fight to keep their names private, so they will take a bit longer

[bots]

My assessment is that there are a lot of conspiracy theories that a more than likely complete bollox. The people behind the trafficking are not very bright, they never are. They are just rich and ruthless. All they needed to do was take out epstein and then the whole thing became hearsay and deniable

[Vanessa]

…apparently the second lot of documents have been opened, revealing more names or more information…(…I think there was a very limited time…)…from the first openings to all of them being opened…
It's like Pandora's box, isn't it? Unbelievable!

[Vanessa]

Now I understand why some celebs went very public against Trump
Who I know is no saint, but he's exposing these criminals.
I really hope he's elected and gets rid of all the corruption.

[Zizu]

Now I understand why some celebs went very public against Trump
Who I know is no saint, but he's exposing these criminals.
I really hope he's elected and gets rid of all the corruption.


He is the epitome of corruption though


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[Vanessa]

He is the epitome of corruption though


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He may be, but he's still a better option than that lot.

[user104658]

Who I know is no saint, but he's exposing these criminals.
I really hope he's elected and gets rid of all the corruption.

God Emperor Trump has known about all of this (and much more) since at least the 90's and had precisely zip to say about it until it started coming out via other means.

[Vanessa]

God Emperor Trump has known about all of this (and much more) since at least the 90's and had precisely zip to say about it until it started coming out via other means.
You've seen what happened to who talks. He's risking a lot by collaborating with police. Even as a very powerful man.

[arista]

Yes Kick Andrew
out of his big house

[user104658]

You've seen what happened to who talks. He's risking a lot by collaborating with police. Even as a very powerful man.

He'll be making deals on other issues.

[bots]

America is corrupt to the core, they just branded it with the land of the free, land of opportunity etc etc. It's a cesspit

[Ammi]

My assessment is that there are a lot of conspiracy theories that a more than likely complete bollox. The people behind the trafficking are not very bright, they never are. They are just rich and ruthless. All they needed to do was take out epstein and then the whole thing became hearsay and deniable

…I would have thought that Ghislaine Maxwell would have had to be ‘taken out’ as well to have ensured that it would just become hearsay and impossible to find evidence…it can’t surely have been that it was so simple as Epstein being that only person to be that threat …it’s sad really that so much time has lapsed with so many rumours and names etc …that it’s now all about the names and less about child/sexual abuse/exploitation….incant imagine though that there’s anyone ‘wow’ to still be revealed, though…

[user104658]

…I would have thought that Ghislaine Maxwell would have had to be ‘taken out’ as well to have ensured that it would just become hearsay and impossible to find evidence…it can’t surely have been that it was so simple as Epstein being that only person to be that threat …it’s sad really that so much time has lapsed with so many rumours and names etc …that it’s now all about the names and less about child/sexual abuse/exploitation….incant imagine though that there’s anyone ‘wow’ to still be revealed, though…

Epstein was either talking or had indicated that he was going to talk (make a deal). Maxwell has never so much as made a peep, and had plenty of time after Epstein's death to reassure people that she wouldn't, and possibly also to set up contingencies (info/evidence that would be released if anything happened to her in custody).

[Ninastar]

I agree that it’s not just Hollywood and that many many people knew. But there is nothing they could do as there’s so many of them plus so many contracts/law suits that no one wanted to chance it

And I don’t blame them

There will be plenty of non celeb millionaires on the list that can use fake names to get away with it too

This isn’t just a celeb thing, it’s a rich ppl thing

[user104658]

Nothing will happen now either. No one on that list will face any sort of investigation.

[Ammi]

I agree that it’s not just Hollywood and that many many people knew. But there is nothing they could do as there’s so many of them plus so many contracts/law suits that no one wanted to chance it

And I don’t blame them

There will be plenty of non celeb millionaires on the list that can use fake names to get away with it too

This isn’t just a celeb thing, it’s a rich ppl thing

…yeah, it’s a ‘rich and people of power and influence’ thing for sure…but obviously, celebrities are the ones who are known so those will be the most recognisable and therefore the most people of media interest, I would say…not all of the very wealthy businessmen will be names we’re familiar with…

…some other celebrity names that are apparently on ‘the list’ apparently are Eminem, Cate Blanchett, Bruce Willis, Leonardo DiCaprio and Cameron Diaz…but I believe that many of the names are there in relation to court records and being somehow involved in some way in Epstein’s prosecution, which in itself would have involved many names…?……so being ‘on the list’ is definitely not an indictation of any Epstein island activities or guilt in anything…but maybe in some way, involved in the extensive court proceedings and his conviction….

[Vanessa]

He'll be making deals on other issues.

He's not untouchable. We need him alive to get rid of all the people on Epstein client list.

[Vanessa]

…yeah, it’s a ‘rich and people of power and influence’ thing for sure…but obviously, celebrities are the ones who are known so those will be the most recognisable and therefore the most people of media interest, I would say…not all of the very wealthy businessmen will be names we’re familiar with…

…some other celebrity names that are apparently on ‘the list’ apparently are Eminem, Cate Blanchett, Bruce Willis, Leonardo DiCaprio and Cameron Diaz…but I believe that many of the names are there in relation to court records and being somehow involved in some way in Epstein’s prosecution, which in itself would have involved many names…?……so being ‘on the list’ is definitely not an indictation of any Epstein island activities or guilt in anything…but maybe in some way, involved in the extensive court proceedings and his conviction….
And exactly those names have suddenly been very anti Trump. Mmmm I wonder why
. They're terrified that he will expose them.

[Vanessa]

Rumours that Epstein and co were involved in the occult. This is much bigger than we realize.

[user104658]

And exactly those names have suddenly been very anti Trump. Mmmm I wonder why
. They're terrified that he will expose them.

You've been listening to too much Alf. Don't blow Trump's piece of this puzzle out of proportion.

[Vanessa]

You've been listening to too much Alf. Don't blow Trump's piece of this puzzle out of proportion.

If they want to stop these people they're going to need Trump. As he's the only one willing to talk.

[user104658]

If they want to stop these people they're going to need Trump. As he's the only one willing to talk.

1) they're not going to stop these people

2) Trump is an unreliable witness, unless he can direct them to verifiable evidence, what he has to say means nothing.

3) ...they're not going to stop these people.

[bots]

If Trump becomes president again, he would simply ask for money or whatever for his silence. Exactly the same as Putin did. That's the way the world works at that level

[Alf]

He is the epitome of corruption though


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProZero evidence of that. Intfact they've tried everything they have to to pin stuff on him, even making up complete lies. And they have nothing, he's come out smelling of roses.

You're just going by what his enimies have made up about him, which so far as all been untrue. So where is his criminality?

[Vanessa]

Zero evidence of that. Intfact they've tried everything they have to to pin stuff on him, even making up complete lies. And they nothing, he's come out smelling of roses.

You're just going by what his enimies have made up about him, which so far as all been untrue. So where is his criminality?
And he's still the only one cooperating against Epstein and co.
No wonder no one else is talking!

[Mystic Mock]

Hollywood isn't really the issue - it's the big-name politicians (both past and present) and powerful families.

Deal with both of them imo.

[Mystic Mock]

You never, ever see Robert De Niro on news channels being interviewed about politics. But that not normal behaviour happened during Trump's time. And his message to you all was "Orange man bad"

Tbf orange man helped encourage January 6th, which is pretty damn bad.

[Beso]

Tbf orange man helped encourage January 6th, which is pretty damn bad.

You will have to explain January 6th to people because brown looking man has trumped your Trump one with october 7th, for last years date only news headline.

[Alf]

Tbf orange man helped encourage January 6th, which is pretty damn bad.TBF he's on video that day saying "Go home in peace"

Also, that was an inside job imo.

It depends how deep you want to dig for yourself into it.

If you're happy to accept the mainstream (Trumps enimies) narrative, then sure. Trump will be your villain. If you want to look a bit deeper for yourself. You'll see that once again the mainstream and Trump's enimies are not being truthful about everything.

More than Ashley Babbitt died from that incident. She was the only one who died on January 6th though.

[Mystic Mock]

You will have to explain January 6th to people because brown looking man has trumped your Trump one with october 7th, for last years date only news headline.

Admittedly it is pretty hard to be worse than a Terrorist group that also like to rape women and use their own people as Human Shields.

[Alf]

Not only do they like to rape children, they love wars too.

Trump showed you that wars are not needed. Now that you see someone else in charge. They wars are back and constant.

[Mystic Mock]

TBF he's on video that day saying "Go home in peace"

Also, that was an inside job imo.

It depends how deep you want to dig for yourself into it.

If you're happy to accept the mainstream (Trumps enimies) narrative, then sure. Trump will be your villain. If you want to look a bit deeper for yourself. You'll see that once again the mainstream and Trump's enimies are not being truthful about everything.

More than Ashley Babbitt died from that incident. She was the only one who died on January 6th though.

Look I agree with you that the media sometimes blow Trump out of proportion.

But he didn't really try to help during the Capitol Hill incident, and he did keep saying that the Election was rigged, knowing that he was riling his fanbase up even more, which was escalating the situation.

[Mystic Mock]

Not only do they like to rape children, they love wars too.

Trump showed you that wars are not needed. Now that you see someone else in charge. They wars are back and constant.

Some warmongers probably want the original Star Wars trilogy to become reality.:joker:

[Alf]

Look I agree with you that the media sometimes blow Trump out of proportion.

But he didn't really try to help during the Capitol Hill incident, and he did keep saying that the Election was rigged, knowing that he was riling his fanbase up even more, which was escalating the situation.What did you want him to do? He put a message out saying "Go home and go home in peace"

Did you want him to go down there and give them all a smacked backside? What was it you wanted him to do?

The election was quite obviously rigged, just look at all the evidence and try to make an argument of it not being rigged. I keep saying it. I've constantly said it for the past 3 and a bit years, because have a pair of eyes.

[Alf]

People not on Epstein's list

Donald Trump
Elon Musk
Alex Jones
Matt Gaetz
Andrew Tate

[Alf]

Some warmongers probably want the original Star Wars trilogy to become reality.:joker:This is who you put your trust in when he tells you that it was Trump's fault. The guy who benefited from the stolen election.

Although he didn't really benefit. We're just meant to believe he did.


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[Alf]

What was in those envelopes?


MrUMyLNEceA

[Alf]

What was in those envelopes?


MrUMyLNEceAJust to put this into more perspective, incase you think it's a "nothing burger". Who was actually filming the exact reactions with such detail and why?

Remember the Donald telling us that "We've caught them all?"

[Alf]

"We caught them all"


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[Alf]

"The best is yet to come"


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[Mystic Mock]

What did you want him to do? He put a message out saying "Go home and go home in peace"

Did you want him to go down there and give them all a smacked backside? What was it you wanted him to do?

The election was quite obviously rigged, just look at all the evidence and try to make an argument of it not being rigged. I keep saying it. I've constantly said it for the past 3 and a bit years, because have a pair of eyes.

He didn't even try to send any law enforcement to help the people that were getting surrounded during Capitol Hill.

Also if I'm not mistaken, Trump only tried to defuse the situation once people started demanding for him to do something, as after all he was still the President at that point.

And I honestly don't think that the election was rigged, regardless of what anyone thinks of Biden, he had a 7 million vote lead, that's hard to "find" that many votes, he won the election rightly or wrongly.

[Mystic Mock]

This is who you put your trust in when he tells you that it was Trump's fault. The guy who benefited from the stolen election.

Although he didn't really benefit. We're just meant to believe he did.


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I'm not a Biden supporter either.

If anything I pity America that it's going to be between Biden and Trump, they both have issues that I consider to be big problems for the country going down the line.

[Alf]

He didn't even try to send any law enforcement to help the people that were getting surrounded during Capitol Hill.

Also if I'm not mistaken, Trump only tried to defuse the situation once people started demanding for him to do something, as after all he was still the President at that point.

And I honestly don't think that the election was rigged, regardless of what anyone thinks of Biden, he had a 7 million vote lead, that's hard to "find" that many votes, he won the election rightly or wrongly.Your first sentence is totally wrong. Trump asked for the national guard to protect that day. Nancy Pelosi didn't allow it to happen.

There's 99 percent evidence says it was rigged against the 1 percent evidence that Trump's and our enimies say it wasn't.

The evidence is all out there. You've just got to want to find out, I can only say that to you, I can'tmake you want to seek the truth. If you don't want to find out, then you will just accept what the people you're supposed to trust say.

[Mystic Mock]

Your first sentence is totally wrong. Trump asked for the national guard to protect that day. Nancy Pelosi didn't allow it to happen.

There's 99 percent evidence says it was rigged against the 1 percent evidence that Trump's and our enimies say it wasn't.

The evidence is all out there. You've just got to want to find out, I can only say that to you, I can'tmake you want to seek the truth. If you don't want to find out, then you will just accept what the people you're supposed to trust say.

What's the evidence though? Because liking Trump more than Biden isn't evidence imo.

[Alf]

What's the evidence though? Because liking Trump more than Biden isn't evidence imo.Where do you want to start?

The campaign trail. Trump packing out arena's 3 and 4 times a day, everyday, with queues of people outside who couldn't get in. Whilst Biden couldn't fill a car park once a week.

Video evidence of people stuffing postal ballots.

Dead people voting.

Trump leading at midnight, then the freeze on counting and 3 days later they announced Biden as winner.

The famous water pipe bursting to halt voting.

Boarding up windows in polling stations so nobody could see in.

Ect

[Alf]

Now even I can tell you your evidence. The TV told you Biden won. And that's it.

[Alf]

The TV told you that.

They don't tell you that much about Epstein clients though, do they?

[Alf]

He didn't even try to send any law enforcement to help the people that were getting surrounded during Capitol Hill.

Also if I'm not mistaken, Trump only tried to defuse the situation once people started demanding for him to do something, as after all he was still the President at that point.

And I honestly don't think that the election was rigged, regardless of what anyone thinks of Biden, he had a 7 million vote lead, that's hard to "find" that many votes, he won the election rightly or wrongly.Ironically. We're discussing the January 6th incident and it's now January 6th.

[Mystic Mock]

Where do you want to start?

The campaign trail. Trump packing out arena's 3 and 4 times a day, everyday, with queues of people outside who couldn't get in. Whilst Biden couldn't fill a car park once a week.

Video evidence of people stuffing postal ballots.

Dead people voting.

Trump leading at midnight, then the freeze on counting and 3 days later they announced Biden as winner.

The famous water pipe bursting to halt voting.

Boarding up windows in polling stations so nobody could see in.

Ect

1. Trump does have the bigger fanbase than Biden, I think even the most hardcore Trump haters would admit that.

However US Elections are one on one showdowns, and Trump does have more people that don't like him than people that do like him, so even though Biden has less fans than Trump, I do feel that Biden would be getting the anti-Trump vote.

2. I would imagine that both sides were fiddling with how many votes that they were trying to get through the ballots.

3. I honestly don't have an answer for the dead people voting one, you've admittedly got me on that one.

4. Trump was leading by midnight because more Trump supporters were voting in person, where as Biden voters were voting through postal voting mainly, hence why Biden did eventually catch Trump once postal voting was counted.

5. That is admittedly a bit suspicious. But it also could just be a coincidence, but I'll say it is suspicious.

6. I'm assuming that's more for privacy reasons rather than to rig someone to win with 7 million votes.

[Mystic Mock]

Ironically. We're discussing the January 6th incident and it's now January 6th.

That is funny tbf.

[Mystic Mock]

The TV told you that.

They don't tell you that much about Epstein clients though, do they?

We all know that there's dodgy stuff going on around Epstein Island.

Tbh we need to expose more of these groups within society, because I personally doubt that Epstein Island is the only place where this stuff lies.

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-d7383a1a-4043-4130-b40e-fd7ba8d6b53d.png

[bots]

Prince Andrew "spent weeks" at sex offender and financier Jeffrey Epstein's Florida mansion, according to a third batch of unsealed court files.

Juan Alessi, who managed Epstein's residence in Palm Beach, testified that the Duke of York stayed in the guest bedroom and had daily massages.

The testimony appears in around 1,300 pages of evidence released on Friday.

The records also paint a disturbing picture of how Epstein procured victims for sexual exploitation.

Hundreds of pages of legal filings have been unsealed this week under order from a federal court.

The legal papers are part of a 2015 defamation lawsuit by one accuser, Virginia Giuffre, against Ghislaine Maxwell, Epstein's imprisoned former girlfriend.

In a 2009 deposition, Mr Alessi told investigators that Prince Andrew and his ex-wife Sarah Ferguson, Duchess of York, were "friends" of Epstein and Maxwell. The duchess is not accused of any wrongdoing and Prince Andrew has denied misconduct.

Asked if they ever had "massages" during visits to the Palm Beach mansion, Mr Alessi answered: "Prince Andrew did."

He added that the duchess once briefly visited the house, but "Prince Andrew spent weeks with us", receiving "daily massages".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67898784


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He is ****ed now. There is no recovering from this

[Oliver_W]

What's the evidence though? Because liking Trump more than Biden isn't evidence imo.

Where's the evidence that Trump actively encouraged it? That's not something to be taken as a given.

[Vanessa]

Prince Andrew "spent weeks" at sex offender and financier Jeffrey Epstein's Florida mansion, according to a third batch of unsealed court files.

Juan Alessi, who managed Epstein's residence in Palm Beach, testified that the Duke of York stayed in the guest bedroom and had daily massages.

The testimony appears in around 1,300 pages of evidence released on Friday.

The records also paint a disturbing picture of how Epstein procured victims for sexual exploitation.

Hundreds of pages of legal filings have been unsealed this week under order from a federal court.

The legal papers are part of a 2015 defamation lawsuit by one accuser, Virginia Giuffre, against Ghislaine Maxwell, Epstein's imprisoned former girlfriend.

In a 2009 deposition, Mr Alessi told investigators that Prince Andrew and his ex-wife Sarah Ferguson, Duchess of York, were "friends" of Epstein and Maxwell. The duchess is not accused of any wrongdoing and Prince Andrew has denied misconduct.

Asked if they ever had "massages" during visits to the Palm Beach mansion, Mr Alessi answered: "Prince Andrew did."

He added that the duchess once briefly visited the house, but "Prince Andrew spent weeks with us", receiving "daily massages".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67898784


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He is ****ed now. There is no recovering from this

This is incredible. Like something out of a movie. But it's real :shocked:

[user104658]

People not on Epstein's list

Donald Trump
Elon Musk

That is notable if true but..


Alex Jones
Matt Gaetz
Andrew Tate

Why would these three be on the list :joker:. It was a paedo paradise for socially and politically influential bigwigs. Not up and coming right-wing foghorns and social media clout pimps.

I'm pretty sure Andrew Tate was still desperately trying to claw some fame from things like Big Brother and Survivor when Epstein was taken down.

[Vanessa]

Thank you to Elon Musk for allowing the truth to be known.
Otherwise we would have been kept in the dark.
Maybe him buying Twitter was a good thing after all!

[Gusto Brunt]

…and Stephen Hawking also…’no suggestion of wrongdoing’ seems to be a key phrase, though…

I don't think he was physically capable of 'throwing himself' onto young girls.:shocked:

But I guess there are other ways. :p Not saying he was guilty of anything, though. ;)

[user104658]

I don't think he was physically capable of 'throwing himself' onto young girls.:shocked:

But I guess there are other ways. :p Not saying he was guilty of anything, though. ;)

He was cheating on his wife work his much younger nurse, so...

[bots]

Clinton obviously liked young girls given his history with the intern

Jackson obviously liked young kids given his history with .... young kids

[Mystic Mock]

Where's the evidence that Trump actively encouraged it? That's not something to be taken as a given.

The fact that he kept saying the Election was rigged when he clearly knew that it wasn't.

Which in turn was having some of his supporters genuinely thinking that they were fighting some sort of Putin-like figure, thus leading to the Capitol Hill incident.

[Mystic Mock]

He was cheating on his wife work his much younger nurse, so...

The younger woman was nursing him back to health.

[Oliver_W]

The fact that he kept saying the Election was rigged when he clearly knew that it wasn't.

Which in turn was having some of his supporters genuinely thinking that they were fighting some sort of Putin-like figure, thus leading to the Capitol Hill incident.

Were the people constantly saying that Trump's win was due to Russian interference doing the same? Were they responsible for the riots during his Inauguration?

[bots]

If there was concrete evidence of Trump leading the insurrection he would already be locked up. The point is, that 3 years on, he is still a free man. All the dems may be adamant that he led an insurrection, but the reality is that he is allowed free speech and also to talk complete bollocks if he wants to and proving beyond reasonable doubt that he led an insurrection is all but impossible

[user104658]

He didn't lead it he just subtly encouraged the gathering and then took his time discouraging it once it started to get clearly out of hand. He knew exactly what he was doing and how far he could push it without it being legally considered incitement.

[Vanessa]

This gets worse everyday.
The rabbit hole goes very deep.
And it looks like Epstein island is not the only one with dodgy goings on.

[Vanessa]

He didn't lead it he just subtly encouraged the gathering and then took his time discouraging it once it started to get clearly out of hand. He knew exactly what he was doing and how far he could push it without it being legally considered incitement.
He did tell them to go home, to be fair. But his supporters are not the kind of people who listen :laugh:

[Gusto Brunt]

This photo of Andy saying goodbye to girls and welcoming girls at Epstein's mansion always makes me laugh because it's been forgotten about until I just posted it again. :p :D

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/05/09/20/28203672-0-image-a-4_1589052388769.jpg


Of course Andy is innocent. :p

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/01/08/17/79757093-0-image-m-5_1704733517585.jpg


[The never-before-seen images,
which have been unsealed and made public
as part of the latest document
dump surrounding Epstein,
appeared to show girls or young women
on his private US Virgin Island
home in 2006.
They showed convicted sex trafficker
Ghislaine Maxwell posing with the women]

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/01/08/17/79757101-12939517-image-m-46_1704733554730.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12939517/pictures-girls-women-Jeffrey-Epstein-pedo-island-Ghislaine-Maxwell.html


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/01/08/16/79756447-0-image-m-11_1704732484144.jpg

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/01/08/17/79759253-0-image-m-13_1704736443598.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12939665/Paedophile-financier-Jeffrey-Epstein-secretly-recorded-sex-tapes-Prince-Andrew-Richard-Branson-Bill-Clinton-latest-unsealed-documents-claim-Donald-Trump-accused-having-sex-girls.html

[Beso]

None of those girls have jewellery on...

[Alf]

Donald Trump is going to Court tomorrow on more made-up, Witch-hunt crimes.

Nobody on Epstein's list has been arrested yet.

And they never will be unless Trump wins in the end. He is our only hope

[The Slim Reaper]

Were the people constantly saying that Trump's win was due to Russian interference doing the same? Were they responsible for the riots during his Inauguration?

Not quite what happened, but I'm sure you know that already.

[Alf]

She's on the Epstein list along with her Husband and she tweets out this today.

The absolute front of her.

Her only focus, along with all the other Epstein associates, is Donald Trump.

I wonder why?



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[Alf]

Don't believe Trump. Believe them.

The ones that make your World a better place.

[user104658]

Don't believe Trump. Believe them.

The ones that make your World a better place.

There is the option of understanding that every last one of them is corrupt to the core and not trusting any one of them.

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend" is a naive and childish concept with no basis in reality. The Clinton's and various other dems being villains doesn't make Trump the hero.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/01/08/21/79769365-0-image-m-14_1704750395625.jpg

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/F523/production/_132255726_sun-nc.png.webp

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/09FB/production/_132255520_mirror-nc.png.webp

[Niamh.]

https://scontent.fdub8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/417361707_351442947608434_6557825259004928074_n.jp g?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=c42490&_nc_ohc=0a9ZKSnPrWAAX-Z879e&_nc_oc=AQkFSvNpgR2wRZzEKnVz1-kwdfsaj2UwrzuYN6Uidc20LYJ0_Oipif6SV8sCov5ICpY&_nc_ht=scontent.fdub8-1.fna&oh=00_AfAy89mPOmAp4cOiSkcg1c-Ok0Mx1fuizhSNPgDk5iQUzQ&oe=65A247E0

[user104658]

https://scontent.fdub8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/417361707_351442947608434_6557825259004928074_n.jp g?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=c42490&_nc_ohc=0a9ZKSnPrWAAX-Z879e&_nc_oc=AQkFSvNpgR2wRZzEKnVz1-kwdfsaj2UwrzuYN6Uidc20LYJ0_Oipif6SV8sCov5ICpY&_nc_ht=scontent.fdub8-1.fna&oh=00_AfAy89mPOmAp4cOiSkcg1c-Ok0Mx1fuizhSNPgDk5iQUzQ&oe=65A247E0

Plot twist: they surveyed the Epstein list and this was the top answer. Andrew wins a Honda Civic!

[Niamh.]

Plot twist: they surveyed the Epstein list and this was the top answer. Andrew wins a Honda Civic!

:hehe:

[arista]

Mark Epstein talking to Piers Morgan, now Talk TV HD

Says his Brother was Murdered

He says from marks left on his neck
he says proves it.

He said he was murdered hours before.

[Zizu]

Mark Epstein talking to Piers Morgan, now Talk TV HD

Says his Brother was Murdered

He says from marks left on his neck
he says proves it.

He said he was murdered hours before.


Yawn


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[Vanessa]

Mark Epstein talking to Piers Morgan, now Talk TV HD

Says his Brother was Murdered

He says from marks left on his neck
he says proves it.


He said he was murdered hours before.
It definitely wasn't suicide. I agree with that.

[Zizu]

It definitely wasn't suicide. I agree with that.


Who cares though ..


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[Alf]

Who cares though ..


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProIt doesn't seem like you do. So why are you commenting?

You're the boring one here who has nothing to add.

If you're not interested then why not go and do something you are interested in?

Go talk about VAR some more. That's what you find important in life.

[The Slim Reaper]

It doesn't seem like you do. So why are you commenting?

You're the boring one here who has nothing to add.

If you're not interested then why not go and do something you are interested in?

Go talk about VAR some more. That's what you find important in life.

Bitter blue :smug:

[arista]

The names are starting to come out. The highlights so far


Trump
Clinton
Prince Andrew
Michael Jackson



Last year Trump was going to release it.


Now he will not?


So Trump Voters have Burnt their Caps

[bots]

Last year Trump was going to release it.


Now he will not?


So Trump Voters have Burnt their Caps

Maga supporters are basically nutters, Trump fundamentally isn't as crazy as they are. He just wants to stay out of jail and make money

[Beso]

If Prince Andrew is on the list we now know why trumps got a state visit.

[arista]

[Metro leads on the fallout from the
Trump administration stating that a list
of Jeffrey Epstein's alleged clients does not exist.

In the run-up to last November's presidential election,
Donald Trump promised to release the list,
among other Epstein files,
if he won a second White House term.]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-b46d6979-5626-48d0-9165-cddae453a5bd.png

[arista]

It definitely wasn't suicide. I agree with that.


They said there is a minute of
the Video to the cell, that went down?

[Mystic Mock]

The list clearly exists, Trump confirmed it last year.

It's ridiculous for him to now pretend that it doesn't imo.

[arista]

The list clearly exists, Trump confirmed it last year.

It's ridiculous for him to now pretend that it doesn't imo.


Very True


Maybe on him
remove it from the lists

[Mystic Mock]

Very True


Maybe on him
remove it from the lists

Is he trying to remove his name from the list?

[arista]

Is he trying to remove his name from the list?


Yes, he is on it.



So remove his name from all the wording



Then
release it all

[Mystic Mock]

Yes, he is on it.



So remove his name from all the wording



Then
release it all

It's a compromise that I would accept.

[bots]

The list clearly exists, Trump confirmed it last year.

It's ridiculous for him to now pretend that it doesn't imo.

Trump wanted voters last year, so he would say anything that got them whether its true or not

[Mystic Mock]

Trump wanted voters last year, so he would say anything that got them whether its true or not

That's true tbf.

I do believe that there is a list out there though, and that potential mates of Trump's are on that list is my theory.

[arista]

WSJ

Has released some of this.


Trump says it is fake?


Ch4HDnews live now

[arista]

Wall Street Journal
is standing by their leak

[arista]

Also Live on SkyNewsHD

[bots]

i think it's unlikely that the WSJ would publish about trump without verifying given its Trump

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GwF9tL-XIAArSf6?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

i think it's unlikely that the WSJ would publish about trump without verifying given its Trump


Yes

Meanwhile


[Trump launches blistering statement trashing
the Wall Street Journal after slapping news giant
with $10 BILLION lawsuit]



https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/07/18/22/100433367-14920021-Trump_has_never_denied_knowing_Epstein_or_once_par tying_with_him-a-17_1752873839478.jpg
Back in the seedy days


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14920021/trump-sues-wsj-rupert-murdoch-epstein-letter.html

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/07/19/02/100447315-0-image-m-1_1752887757029.jpg

[arista]

3 Federal Judges
have sealed documents

Protecting Bill Clinton

Ref: Alan Dershowitz speaking on a Panel with Piers Morgan

Ch5HD late night Fridays