Tunnels found underneath a Jewish sinagogue in Brooklyn, New York

[Vanessa]

Police sealed them.
A lot of stained mattresses in there and a high chair.
You have to wonder, what the hell were those tunnels for?
https://trendingpoliticsnews.com/tunnels-brooklyn-cmc/?utm_source=collin&utm_medium=twitter

[Niamh.]

Creepy

[The Slim Reaper]

HAMAS!!!!!!!!!

[The Slim Reaper]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GDZ9TtRbYAAch2L?format=png&name=large

[Vanessa]

Guess what? Epstein and Ghislaine are Jewish as well.

[bots]

jesus was too, where will the conspiracy end

[Beso]

Guess what? Epstein and Ghislaine are Jewish as well. Coincidence? I think not.

What the hell do you mean by that?

[Vanessa]

what the hell do you mean by that?

https://x.com/TKeithPreston1/status/1743782098287153346?t=4Sgh0Ca8aE9FhLKiEj5nDA&s=09

[Oliver_W]

Guess what? Epstein and Ghislaine are Jewish as well. Coincidence? I think not.

https://x.com/TKeithPreston1/status/1743782098287153346?t=4Sgh0Ca8aE9FhLKiEj5nDA&s=09

Step away from the internet and touch some grass.

[Nicky91]

not jewish people also having a underground terrorist network :omgno:

[MTVN]

Guess what? Epstein and Ghislaine are Jewish as well. Coincidence? I think not.

That's an anti-Semitic comment, you're obviously consuming a lot of dangerous conspiracy content atm

[Ammi]

…to be fair though…I don’t think it’s all about what people consume as such or about stepping away away from the internet because so many extremely worrying comments/slurs etc are unavoidable…I googled this story yesterday because for information and one of the first sites that came up…(…a very well known community network/forum site….)….was totally filled with blatant anti-Semitic and actually, barely concealed hateful remarks…and those were the ones that were open to all access, even those who aren’t members of that community….I noticed there were other sections that were ‘restricted’ to members…with the comments that were shown, I can’t even imagine the ones that aren’t been shown except to members….and that was just in googling some information about the story….

[Ammi]

…every time I see the thread title, though…I think it’s about the Lana Del Rey track…/…Did You Know that there’s a Tunnel Under Ocean Boulevard…

[user104658]

Guess what? Epstein and Ghislaine are Jewish as well. Coincidence? I think not.

The Trump stuff was bad enough Vanessa - this is next level.

On the thread... this whole thing is ringing alarm bells for me with current global events. The efforts to dehumanize Jews pre-WW2 were extreme, and they lead to some of the most brutal events in human history. People need to be very, very careful with this sort of rhetoric.

[Vanessa]

That's an anti-Semitic comment, you're obviously consuming a lot of dangerous conspiracy content atm
They're both Jewish.

[Vanessa]

Step away from the internet and touch some grass.

That's in her own words what happened to her.

[user104658]

They're both Jewish.

They are. But you said "Coincidence? I think not." in reference to apparent child dungeon tunnels found in New York. That's what makes it quite blatant antisemitism.

I genuinely mean be careful, this isn't even just an "oh that's just my opinion" thing - this is a level of anti-semitism that probably land you with charges. It's illegal.

[user104658]

Asking questions is not anti semitic.

You didn't ask a question you made a clear statement of your opinion that it's not coincidence, thus inferring that there's a links between Jews and paedophiles/child kidnap.

Genuinely for your own good you should think before you talk about these things. Again, this is at the level of incitement/a hate crime and could land you with criminal charges.

[Vanessa]

They are. But you said "Coincidence? I think not." in reference to apparent child dungeon tunnels found in New York. That's what makes it quite blatant antisemitism.

I genuinely mean be careful, this isn't even just an "oh that's just my opinion" thing - this is a level of anti-semitism that probably land you with charges. It's illegal.
I'm not antisemitic.
I read about this story and I posted the article.
Don't you dare call me antisemitic!

[Vanessa]

They are. But you said "Coincidence? I think not." in reference to apparent child dungeon tunnels found in New York. That's what makes it quite blatant antisemitism.

I genuinely mean be careful, this isn't even just an "oh that's just my opinion" thing - this is a level of anti-semitism that probably land you with charges. It's illegal.
Be very careful about what you say. I'm not antisemitic. How dare you?

[Vanessa]

…to be fair though…I don’t think it’s all about what people consume as such or about stepping away away from the internet because so many extremely worrying comments/slurs etc are unavoidable…I googled this story yesterday because for information and one of the first sites that came up…(…a very well known community network/forum site….)….was totally filled with blatant anti-Semitic and actually, barely concealed hateful remarks…and those were the ones that were open to all access, even those who aren’t members of that community….I noticed there were other sections that were ‘restricted’ to members…with the comments that were shown, I can’t even imagine the ones that aren’t been shown except to members….and that was just in googling some information about the story….

I'm always respectful and I haven't insulted anyone. I just question what I saw. I've never seen anything like that in all my life.
I mean the tunnels.

[Vanessa]

That's an anti-Semitic comment, you're obviously consuming a lot of dangerous conspiracy content atm

Be careful about what you say. I'm not antisemitic. How dare you?

[Beso]

Be careful about what you say. I'm not antisemitic. How dare you?

Can you explain what you meant then.

Cause it looks like everyone is reading it as you saying all jews are paedophiles.

[Ninastar]

This has been known for years. There’s literally Law and Order episodes about churches/synagogues and honestly probably some mosques too.

They should just be closed off but I also think they could be useful during apocalypse times lol

[Vanessa]

Can you explain what you meant then.

Cause it looks like everyone is reading it as you saying all jews are paedophiles.
I never said that.
I was just wondering if there was a connection.

[user104658]

I'm not antisemitic.
I read about this story and I posted the article.
Don't you dare call me antisemitic!

Posting the story isn't anti-semitic (though full disclosure, I'm wondering where you copied the link from given the recent QAnon/Trump Truther posts).

This:

Guess what? Epstein and Ghislaine are Jewish as well. Coincidence? I think not.

Is anti-semitic and editing the post to remove the bit in bold doesn't change the fact that the post was made. It also calls into question the overall intent behind the thread.

[Vanessa]

Posting the story isn't anti-semitic (though full disclosure, I'm wondering where you copied the link from given the recent QAnon/Trump Truther posts).

This:



Is anti-semitic and editing the post to remove the bit in bold doesn't change the fact that the post was made. It also calls into question the overall intent behind the thread.

I removed the post so not to offend anyone.
I was just wandering if there was a connection.
You think what you want. I don't care.

[Vanessa]

This has been known for years. There’s literally Law and Order episodes about churches/synagogues and honestly probably some mosques too.

They should just be closed off but I also think they could be useful during apocalypse times lol

They need to be investigated. What I saw is unbelievable!

[user104658]

I removed the post so not to offend anyone.
I was just wandering if there was a connection.
You think what you want. I don't care.

You were openly "wondering if there was a connection" between being Jewish and crimes involving children, and clarified that you thought it was "no coincidence" (i.e. that there is a connection).

Its not an "I think" it's just what you were quite openly doing? And if you don't think that's antisemitic rhetoric then I have to wonder what would qualify :think:.

[Vanessa]

You were openly "wondering if there was a connection" between being Jewish and crimes involving children, and clarified that you thought it was "no coincidence" (i.e. that there is a connection).

Its not an "I think" it's just what you were quite openly doing? And if you don't think that's antisemitic rhetoric then I have to wonder what would qualify :think:.
I never said anything bad about Jews.
I was just wondering if there was a connection.

[user104658]

I never said anything bad about Jews.
I was just wondering if there was a connection.

:idc:

[Vanessa]

Tunnels entrance.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240110/7771d4fec84e9ee559d126b43f4e7f8c.jpg

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[user104658]

Police sealed them.
A lot of stained mattresses in there and a high chair.
You have to wonder, what the hell were those tunnels for?
https://trendingpoliticsnews.com/tunnels-brooklyn-cmc/?utm_source=collin&utm_medium=twitter

Just as a public service announcement, TiBB, as I had a suspicion...

This site that the original article is taken from, "trendingpoliticsnews.com" is a right-wing Trump Truther site :facepalm:.

Majority of the featured articles on the site are either ridiculous Pro-Trump, or anti-Democrat, propaganda.

Take with a HEAVY pinch of salt. Sigh.

From their own page:


Welcome to TrendingPolitics, where we provide conservative commentary on the news stories of the day. Studies have shown that 90%+ of the stories about Conservatives are negative, so we like to bring the other side of the story to you.

With that being said, we aren’t shy to admit we’re biased. The majority of our articles will have a good amount of Conservative opinion weaved into it.

We love our country, we support our freedoms, and we fully endorse an America-First agenda. We believe in strong borders, unabashed patriotism, and standing for our national anthem. We hold traditional American values that we believe should be preserved in our culture.

https://trendingpoliticsnews.com/about/

[Vanessa]

Just as a public service announcement, TiBB, as I had a suspicion...

This site that the original article is taken from, "trendingpoliticsnews.com" is a right-wing Trump Truther site :facepalm:.

Majority of the featured articles on the site are either ridiculous Pro-Trump, or anti-Democrat, propaganda.

Take with a HEAVY pinch of salt. Sigh.

From their own page:



https://trendingpoliticsnews.com/about/

But the tunnels are real.

[arista]

But the tunnels are real.


Good Point
Vanessa.

[Ammi]

…it’s reported that there were some arrests today or yesterday…it seems to be some kind of ongoing dispute over land/building ownership, which is something that’s been known…?… …from my understanding, it’s just erupted or escalated now because cement has been poured in to fill the tunnels …

…oh I should add that the arrests were for minor disputes/misdemeanors…not for any serious charges or that any worrying activity is suspected…

[Liam-]

Imagine the uproar if Muslims had tunnels underneath New York like this

[Vanessa]

What's going on here?https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240110/74c40d801909b9170d62d796a5a81666.jpg

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[Vanessa]

Imagine the uproar if Muslims had tunnels underneath New York like this

Yes, it would be on all the news
Notice how no news channel has covered this. It's been shut down immediately.

[bots]

it's basically a tunnel that students have used as a shortcut. The reason its been in the news is because there was a conflict between students and police. Plenty news channels have covered it, they just haven't used it to express anti semitism

[Cherie]

Yes, it would be on all the news
Notice how no news channel has covered this. It's been shut down immediately.

seriously? if you google this its been covered by BBC, Sky, The Telegraph, The Guardian, NYT, Washington post...etc etc etc :laugh:

[Ninastar]

Yeah it also came up on my Apple News

If anything it’s being used rn to fuel the anti jew rhetoric social media is loving rn

[Vanessa]

seriously? if you google this its been covered by BBC, Sky, The Telegraph, The Guardian, NYT, Washington post...etc etc etc :laugh:

I watched the news and they said nothing.

[Vanessa]

Yeah it also came up on my Apple News

If anything it’s being used rn to fuel the anti jew rhetoric social media is loving rn

I just think it should be investigated.
But apparently they just closed them up.

[Ammi]

…(…I don’t think…)…that there was anything to investigate or that hadn’t been looked into, Vanessa….there was no ‘usage’ or reasons for them that was a cause of any concern to the police so far as I know….the only concerns were to the safety of the surrounding buildings as well and whether any unauthorised access to other buildings was breached…the police were trying to fill in the cement to make it all safe…imagine if any part of a tunnel had collapsed on those either above or below…?…it’s not a wise thing to be under buildings that haven’t been cleared for safety…

[Vanessa]

…(…I don’t think…)…that there was anything to investigate or that hadn’t been looked into, Vanessa….there was no ‘usage’ or reasons for them that was a cause of any concern to the police so far as I know….the only concerns were to the safety of the surrounding buildings as well and whether any unauthorised access to other buildings was breached…the police were trying to fill in the cement to make it all safe…imagine if any part of a tunnel had collapsed on those either above or below…?…it’s not a wise thing to be under buildings that haven’t been cleared for safety…
I think it definitely needs investigating
https://twitter.com/GaryRAndreini/status/1744823519580397796?t=wqj-w0K-H6XGyLsBH45WRA&s=19

[Beso]

Yeah it also came up on my Apple News

If anything it’s being used rn to fuel the anti jew rhetoric social media is loving rn

Luckily we ain't all stupid.

[Ninastar]

They have literally known about this for years

[Vanessa]

They have literally known about this for years

Who has? I didn't know. Not everyone knew.

[bots]

Vanessa, the feeds and sites you are using for information are 10% truth and 90% fiction. News stories have to be checked against reputable sources before you can believe them. Not everything you read is true

[Vanessa]

Vanessa, the feeds and sites you are using for information are 10% truth and 90% fiction. News stories have to be checked against reputable sources before you can believe them. Not everything you read is true

That's true. But the tunnels are real. And I've never seen anything like that in all my life. I just find it really odd!

[bots]

That's true. But the tunnels are real. And I've never seen anything like that in all my life. I just find it really odd!

there are loads of tunnels in every city.

I used to work in the shell centre in london, and it has a massive underground set of tunnels

[Vanessa]

there are loads of tunnels in every city.

I used to work in the shell centre in london, and it has a massive underground set of tunnels

What about the mattresses and the high chair found there? I really hope they investigate this.

[user104658]

What about the mattresses and the high chair found there? I really hope they investigate this.

It's not a jew paedophile burrow ffs stop it.

[Vanessa]

It's not a jew paedophile burrow ffs stop it.

I didn't say that. I just said what was found in the tunnels.

[user104658]

I didn't say that. I just said what was found in the tunnels.

Why do you think it "should be investigated". Why did you bring up Epstein. Why did you say it wasn't coincidental that it was Jews. Why are you so focused on the high chairs when clearly there are numerous junk items in the tunnels, not just "mattresses and high chairs". Either you're trying to make a point or you're just parroting other nonsense you've read elsewhere from people who are trying to make a point.

[AnnieK]

With all the violence the Jewish community are facing at the moment it is very possible that they could have been preparing for a bolt hole type scenario if violence escalated. It seems more plausible that they will be preparing to protect themselves rather than it be something sinister.

[Ammi]

…social media is just becoming more ‘powerful’ in terms of creating and encouraging outrage and incitement, it’s so worrying because a member of the public can make a post and it then grows and spreads like a pebble ripple in a pond as ‘truth’….even mainstream media isn’t always reliable…

[Niamh.]

…social media is just becoming more ‘powerful’ in terms of creating and encouraging outrage and incitement, it’s so worrying because a member of the public can make a post and it then grows and spreads like a pebble ripple in a pond as ‘truth’….even mainstream media isn’t always reliable…Yeah, "fake news" and conspiracy theories running wild

[Ammi]

Yeah, "fake news" and conspiracy theories running wild

…I think it’s also the speed of social media and how it works with stuff like this…because the misinformation reaches there before any balance of facts are known so opinions have already been formed…and a formed opinion is much more difficult to find objectivity and to find actual truths..in a ‘no smoke without fire’ type way…it’s all becoming a ‘perfect storm’ for misinformation and creating so much negative and prejudice stuff…hence why also we refer to ‘influencers’ because its all adding to preform mindsets and nurture bias, which is difficult to then see any truths ….

[bots]

i'm preparing my atheist rabbit tunnel as we speak

[user104658]

With all the violence the Jewish community are facing at the moment it is very possible that they could have been preparing for a bolt hole type scenario if violence escalated. It seems more plausible that they will be preparing to protect themselves rather than it be something sinister.

I suspect this is the case, and when you have these fake (or twisting) news sites putting their slant on every news story and people who are buying I to it hook, line and sinker it's easy to understand why these communities would be feeling extremely nervous.

[bots]

I think the vast majority of the world population believe everything they read. No election is safe any more and it won't be from vote rigging, it will be from misinformation

[thesheriff443]

No one is above suspicion but there has to be valid grounds for investigation

Talking things of topic a little with rabbits living in tunnels

If you pick up a wild baby rabbit and then place it back the parents and young will attack it ands kill it because it has your sent on it and see it as an intruder.

[Ammi]

…this seems like a reliable/informative article and Rolling Stone magazine…(..I presume…)…is a source without bias…

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/secret-chabad-tunnels-new-york-1234942995/

…it explains how the tunnels were dug because of some kind of dispute and the concern is the structural safety …it was structural engineers who have expressed that concern and advised them to be filled in….

[Ammi]

…the Jewish Chronicle article(s) also…


https://www.thejc.com/news/usa/chabad-embroiled-in-broiges-after-tunnels-found-under-world-headquarters-in-new-york-tfnqp38a

[Ammi]

…as I said earlier in the thread…this isn’t as simply layered as absorbing specific bias sites…so many worrying and ‘conspiracy’ type things are being posted on well known community chat sites and available for all access of all ages etc….just by searching for information on an apparent ‘story’….and that’s how these things also start to build…

[user104658]

…as I said earlier in the thread…this isn’t as simply layered as absorbing specific bias sites…so many worrying and ‘conspiracy’ type things are being posted on well known community chat sites and available for all access of all ages etc….just by searching for information on an apparent ‘story’….and that’s how these things also start to build…

Its becoming an increasingly important part of proficient Internet use that people take at least a few minutes to check their sources. With the site linked for the article in the OP all it took was a glance at the front page and clicking the "about" link on the site to see that it's a Trump Messiah agenda-driven site and not "news" at all.

[Ammi]

…of course…’in an ideal world’ of proficient internet googling of information…:laugh:…but the more extreme/bias sites are also ‘spreading out’ if you like into well known mainstream community sites is the thing…and that’s the worrying thing because that’s also could be looked at, at some feeling that information may be felt to be valid because it’s accessible on those sites too…

[Vanessa]

If this was a christian church or muslim mosque it would be front page news and it would be properly investigated.
The fact that they're quickly covering the tunnels up with cement without an investigation makes me very suspicious.
Whatever they're doing in those tunnels, they don't want people to see.
This is my opinion. No offense meant to anyone of any religion.

[Ammi]

…I think for me, Vanessa…they’re being made safe is all…the tunnels were there for a long time and well known and were safe but because they’ve been expanded, that safety is now in question so the structural engineers have advised some filling in…their appear to have been many, many people in the tunnels in the last few days and if there was anything to ‘discover’ and report then it would have been…anyway, that’s my take on it…they’re of concern because they and the area needs to be made safe…

[Vanessa]

…I think for me, Vanessa…they’re being made safe is all…the tunnels were there for a long time and well known and were safe but because they’ve been expanded, that safety is now in question so the structural engineers have advised some filling in…their appear to have been many, many people in the tunnels in the last few days and if there was anything to ‘discover’ and report then it would have been…anyway, that’s my take on it…they’re of concern because they and the area needs to be made safe…

I really hope so. The world is such a scary place these days.

[Ammi]

I really hope so. The world is such a scary place these days.

…yeah for sure it can be, Vanessa…and I think that also is what contributes so much to ‘scary’ being attached to so many things that it doesn’t apply to either…and my own thought is that this is one of those occasions…(…thankfully…)…that there is really ‘nothing to see here’…that have been implied by some social media etc…

[Vanessa]

This is what's making me uneasy. Why is there a baby high chair in those tunnels?
Are they living down there?
It looks suspicious to me.
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[bots]

the last thing dodgy people would have in a tunnel is a high chair, seriously

[Beso]

Try describing it as a, discarded baby high chair, Vanessa.

[Vanessa]

Try describing it as a, discarded baby high chair, Vanessa.

I'm not sure. It was a load of stuff they found.

[MTVN]

It seems that the violence occurred because the police were trying to close the tunnel and the Jews who had built it were trying to keep it open. I'm not sure why they would be so desperate to keep it open if they were hiding a load of paedophile stuff down there

I can't really make out anything in that image and is there even any evidence that that is a genuine picture from the tunnel?

[Vanessa]

It seems that the violence occurred because the police were trying to close the tunnel and the Jews who had built it were trying to keep it open. I'm not sure why they would be so desperate to keep it open if they were hiding a load of paedophile stuff down there

I can't really make out anything in that image and is there even any evidence that that is a genuine picture from the tunnel?

There's a video I posted. You can see the high chair.
Of course maybe people were just living down there during covid? Who knows?

[MTVN]

There's a video I posted. You can see the high chair.
Of course maybe people were just living down there during covid? Who knows?

I saw that video posted by an account called 'interested idiot' with 945 followers who is a 'truth seeker' and a 'patriot'. Is the video real and where did he get it from if so?

[Vanessa]

I saw that video posted by an account called 'interested idiot' with 945 followers who is a 'truth seeker' and a 'patriot'. Is the video real and where did he get it from if so?

You can go down the tunnels. But I'm guessing it's dangerous. I wouldn't go down there on my own?

[Maru]

…as I said earlier in the thread…this isn’t as simply layered as absorbing specific bias sites…so many worrying and ‘conspiracy’ type things are being posted on well known community chat sites and available for all access of all ages etc….just by searching for information on an apparent ‘story’….and that’s how these things also start to build…

I've stopped reading most news these days because it's designed to generate a reaction. I feel that I'm in the norm. The ones who do read it a lot, you can tell, because they're more hysterical and it's a vicious cycle, when most articles don't contain enough information to have an objective opinion on most things. Israel/Gaza is one of those topics for me where I don't feel more educated when reading, but rather more ignorant because I can see clearly I have no perspective in terms of understanding what any of those people are going though...

"Don't read this! Don't read that! It's propagandaaa!" Yeah, ok. It's all propaganda one way or another... I check headlines and don't bother thinking my opinion is superior when I do read in-depth, because I'm only getting the gist of something basic information when certain hot button issues are involved. Persuasion and spin in news is often delivered by omission, which is why reading x-leaning sources is beneficial because they have far more incentive to include details that otherwise are mysteriously left out by even mainstream outlets. I'm immediately skeptical of anyone trying to persuade anyone to not read opposing sources because they claim it's outside certain bulwark...


On topic, I don't think that the high chair and mattresses are anything extraordinary if it's meant to be a shelter of sorts.

Re: Epstein&Conspiracy, I'm of the opinion that Hollywood is a scourge of the Earth kind of thing and that the world would be much better place if it were not what it is today. That said, it's not exclusively a Jew thing, in my opinion. Here's my thought...

There's long been elements of what we have perceived as a superiority over others type of complex and thus so much power is brokered there. Celebrities dictate to us. They're not that interested in the activities of normal people. They're here to tell us what to do and to show us their ideal world. Thus, there are religious aspects, but lean more towards the mystical or fundamentalist... add in the prevalence of drugs, experimenting with shrooms and other oddities and it's no surprise many elements thrive there. How many of them use psychics? It's not simply a Judaism thing is what I'm saying. Santeria (some well known people are in it), Kabbalah, Scientology... the extreme sides of insert trending spirituality seems to thrive in that space, especially as it supports any sort of superiority complex, and that has always been a red flag. Christianity is shunned more, because of course it's often seen as a religion of the plebs. In Hollywood, celebrity must be unmistakable in appearances and thus there is an emphasis in living a more enlightened lifestyle. Modern day leftism is another manifestation of this, but tomorrow it'll be something else completely when it runs out of fashion...

Anyway, I've indulged with my thoughts, but none of this relates back to the underground tunnels, I think? Why hide such activities in tunnels when it's out in the open in other spaces, at least far as Hollywood is concerned. I don't think that the Jewish community on the whole has any connection to that. Why would Hollywood and the Epstein types want anything to do with the religious activities of regular people? Yes, religion might be a door per say into those things if you're already in their space, but they want to indoctrinate people into their specific version of that ideology. It's how probably so many horrible things stay under wraps. Whatever they practice in conjunction is "off the map" from what most people know of it anyway. Do you think someone visiting Scientology HQ is sitting down in the same classes as Tom Cruise? Leah Remini's written a book basically stating she had no idea of the real impact of her religion because the celebrity side is so different. They're getting specialized attention and doctrine not meant for the plebs... so why would they have a need for a synagogue when they could build their own and do those activities far more privately?

Let me know when Epstein or some other celebrity freak is caught having funded the building of those tunnels, then that conversation is very different is basically what I'm saying....

[Vanessa]

I've stopped reading most news these days because it's designed to generate a reaction. I feel that I'm in the norm. The ones who do read it a lot, you can tell, because they're more hysterical and it's a vicious cycle, when most articles don't contain enough information to have an objective opinion on most things. Israel/Gaza is one of those topics for me where I don't feel more educated when reading, but rather more ignorant because I can see clearly I have no perspective in terms of understanding what any of those people are going though...

"Don't read this! Don't read that! It's propagandaaa!" Yeah, ok. It's all propaganda one way or another... I check headlines and don't bother thinking my opinion is superior when I do read in-depth, because I'm only getting the gist of something basic information when certain hot button issues are involved. Persuasion and spin in news is often delivered by omission, which is why reading x-leaning sources is beneficial because they have far more incentive to include details that otherwise are mysteriously left out by even mainstream outlets. I'm immediately skeptical of anyone trying to persuade anyone to not read opposing sources because they claim it's outside certain bulwark...


On topic, I don't think that the high chair and mattresses are anything extraordinary if it's meant to be a shelter of sorts.

Re: Epstein&Conspiracy, I'm of the opinion that Hollywood is a scourge of the Earth kind of thing and that the world would be much better place if it were not what it is today. That said, it's not exclusively a Jew thing, in my opinion. Here's my thought...

There's long been elements of what we have perceived as a superiority over others type of complex and thus so much power is brokered there. Celebrities dictate to us. They're not that interested in the activities of normal people. They're here to tell us what to do and to show us their ideal world. Thus, there are religious aspects, but lean more towards the mystical or fundamentalist... add in the prevalence of drugs, experimenting with shrooms and other oddities and it's no surprise many elements thrive there. How many of them use psychics? It's not simply a Judaism thing is what I'm saying. Santeria (some well known people are in it), Kabbalah (related), Scientology... the extreme sides of insert trending spirituality seems to thrive in that space, especially as it supports any sort of superiority complex, and that has always been a red flag. Christianity is shunned more, because of course it's often seen as a religion of the plebs. In Hollywood, celebrity must be unmistakable in appearances and thus there is an emphasis in living a more enlightened lifestyle. Modern day leftism is another manifestation of this, but tomorrow it'll be something else completely when it runs out of fashion...

Anyway, I've indulged with my thoughts, but none of this relates back to the underground tunnels, I think? Why hide such activities in tunnels when it's out in the open in other spaces, at least far as Hollywood is concerned. I don't think that the Jewish community on the whole has any connection to that. Why would Hollywood and the Epstein types want anything to do with the religious activities of regular people? Yes, religion might be a door per say into those things if you're already in their space, but they want to indoctrinate people into their specific version of that ideology. It's how probably so many horrible things stay under wraps. Whatever they practice in conjunction is "off the map" from what most people know of it anyway. Do you think someone visiting Scientology HQ is sitting down in the same classes as Tom Cruise? Leah Remini's written a book basically stating she had no idea of the real impact of her religion because the celebrity side is so different. They're getting specialized attention and doctrine not meant for the plebs... so why would they have a new for a synagogue when they could build their own and do those activities far more privately?

Let me know when Epstein or some other celebrity freak is caught having funded the building of those tunnels, then that conversation is very different is basically what I'm saying....
Those tunnels have been there for a long time. And I bet not just in New York.
I think they should all be investigated.

[AnnieK]

There are tunnels everywhere though....that have been there for years.

In the town I work there is a church and there are tunnels under the church to a pub across the road as that used to be where the vicarage was and the vicar used the tunnel in times of inclement weather. They are now blocked off but I bet my house if they were opened up there would be a myriad of things in there that have been discarded and people can't be bothered to dispose of properly.

[Vanessa]

There are tunnels everywhere though....that have been there for years.

In the town I work there is a church and there are tunnels under the church to a pub across the road as that used to be where the vicarage was and the vicar used the tunnel in times of inclement weather. They are now blocked off but I bet my house if they were opened up there would be a myriad of things in there that have been discarded and people can't be bothered to dispose of properly.

It's not right. Imagine hearing people underneath your house. And you don't have a basement :eek:

[Maru]

It's not right. Imagine hearing people underneath your house. And you don't have a basement :eek:

Those tunnels have been there for a long time. And I bet not just in New York.
I think they should all be investigated.

From an American perspective, what's wrong with the building of tunnels underneath your home, church, community center, etc? People build shelters to withstand terrorist attacks or severe weather. If there's a mattress and a baby chair jic, is that unreasonable? It's property like anything, to do as we please. The Jewish community has a long history of being targeted. Why is it a surprise they might have secret tunnels in some cases in order to seek shelter? :laugh:

Where I am, we build up and out, not down because there's no other safe way to go down when the rain comes which is seasonal.

[Vanessa]

Extremists Jewish teens secretly hired migrants to dig tunnels
https://nypost.com/2024/01/11/news/orthodox-jewish-students-used-migrant-labor-for-secret-tunnel/?utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

[The Slim Reaper]

Alfessa

[Alf]

AlfessaSlim Epstein

[Alf]

Slim Mao

[Alf]

Slim Stalin

[Alf]

Slim Hitler

[Alf]

Slim Clinton

[Alf]

Slim Blair

[Alf]

Slim Saville

[The Slim Reaper]

Slimmy Saville, surely?

[Alf]

You talk about propaganda.

This is what mainstream brainwashing, propaganda has done to people.


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[The Slim Reaper]

You talk about propaganda.

This is what mainstream propaganda has done to people.



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[Vanessa]

This story just gets more bizarre everyday.

[user104658]

This story just gets more bizarre everyday.

This thread certainly does. The story is pretty straight forward if you don't read the wacko Truther news sites and social media.

[The Slim Reaper]

This thread certainly does. The story is pretty straight forward if you don't read the wacko Truther news sites and social media.

But where's the fun in that?! :laugh:

[Oliver_W]

From an American perspective, what's wrong with the building of tunnels underneath your home, church, community center, etc? People build shelters to withstand terrorist attacks or severe weather. If there's a mattress and a baby chair jic, is that unreasonable? It's property like anything, to do as we please. The Jewish community has a long history of being targeted. Why is it a surprise they might have secret tunnels in some cases in order to seek shelter? :laugh:

Where I am, we build up and out, not down because there's no other safe way to go down when the rain comes which is seasonal.

Yeah I was wondering what the actual problem was meant to be.

From what I can tell, the worry is more about the tunnels compromising the integrity of buildings than the authorities thinking it's a secret paedo den?

[Vanessa]

Yeah I was wondering what the actual problem was meant to be.

From what I can tell, the worry is more about the tunnels compromising the integrity of buildings than the authorities thinking it's a secret paedo den?
It could be anything. We just don't know?

[Alf]

Yeah, social media is our downfall, the thing that has given the little people a voice.

It's definitely not the mainstream media being our downfall. These people are speaking from a place of reality.


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[Alf]

The social media is the propaganda problem



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[Alf]

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[The Slim Reaper]

James Melville is an interesting dude. Used to be an anti-brexit, centre/centre left writer for the byline times a few years ago, but jumped on the right wing everything is woke grift. Doesn't mean whatever those tweets are, are right or wrong because of it, but he's made some sound financial decisions for his career over the last few years.

[Alf]

James Melville is an interesting dude. Used to be an anti-brexit, centre/centre left writer for the byline times a few years ago, but jumped on the right wing everything is woke grift. Doesn't mean whatever those tweets are, are right or wrong because of it, but he's made some sound financial decisions for his career over the last few years.His tweets are not of him. The tweets are videos of the mainstream media.

It's not about Melville. It's about them.

[The Slim Reaper]

His tweets are not of him. The tweets are videos of the mainstream media.

It's not about Melville. It's about them.

Which is exactly why I qualified it by saying "Doesn't mean whatever those tweets are, are right or wrong because of it"

I didn't click on them as I've no real idea why they've even cropped up in this thread, so i'm not qualified to comment.

[Alf]

Which is exactly why I qualified it by saying "Doesn't mean whatever those tweets are, are right or wrong because of it"

I didn't click on them as I've no real idea why they've even cropped up in this thread, so i'm not qualified to comment.They came up in this thread because the mention of propaganda was brought up in this thread. I'm just showing you some propaganda.

[The Slim Reaper]

They came up in this thread because the mention of propaganda was brought up in this thread. I'm just showing you some propaganda.

I didn't mention it, so why would I care?

[Alf]

I didn't mention it, so why would I care?No. I saw bitontheside calling out Vanessa earlier in this thread for listening to things that he personally believes she shouldn't be.

Post 50 would be an example.

I'm just like him and warn you against the mainstream media. Difference is, I show you why they are not trustworthy.

[The Slim Reaper]

No. I saw bitontheside calling out Vanessa earlier in this thread for listening to things that he personally believes she shouldn't be.

Post 50 would be an example.

I'm just like him and warn you against the mainstream media. Difference is, I show you why they are not trustworthy.

7 million people died of covid, and long covid is still a massive, massive issue. That hugging through plastic nonsense was insane and for TV bollocks.

In reality, there was a global pandemic that was extremely dicey for a while. If you don't know anyone that died, was hospitalised, or suffers long covid, you're extremely fortunate, but I'd wager that most of us do.

James Melville, for instance, was upset during that time because his 80yr old dad couldn't mingle with people or visit him. I strongly disagree that covid was propaganda.

[Alf]

7 million people died of covid, and long covid is still a massive, massive issue. That hugging through plastic nonsense was insane and for TV bollocks.

In reality, there was a global pandemic that was extremely dicey for a while. If you don't know anyone that died, was hospitalised, or suffers long covid, you're extremely fortunate, but I'd wager that most of us do.

James Melville, for instance, was upset during that time because his 80yr old dad couldn't mingle with people or visit him. I strongly disagree that covid was propaganda.It was a communist power grab. Of course you agree with.

You loved that the authorities got to tell us how we should live our lives and used threats to do so.

[The Slim Reaper]

It was a communist power grab. Of course you agree with.

You loved that the authorities got to tell us how we should live our lives and used threats to do so.

Communist power grab by the right wing/centre right governments across the world? is that what you're going with?

[Alf]

Communist power grab the the right wing/centre right governments across the world? is that what you're going with?Yeah. They're the ones you're supporting in this.

You can label them what you like. I always label them "Globalists" but whatever you label them. Them are the people you side with.

[The Slim Reaper]

Yeah. They're the ones you're supporting in this.

You can label them what you like. I always label them "Globalists" but whatever you label them. Them are the people you side with.

Supporting in what, exactly?

Believing that Covid was a thing?

Remember what yer man was saying during the pandemic? Spray some bleach inside you, or shove a flashlight down in your lungs


There's your anti-establishment man :laugh:

Every mainstream RW position is exactly what you support (which is perfectly fine), but because you read some crazy sh1t on 4chan, you think you're fighting against the system.

[Alf]

Supporting in what, exactly?

Believing that Covid was a thing?

Remember what yer man was saying during the pandemic? Spray some bleach inside you, or shove a flashlight down in your lungs


There's your anti-establishment man :laugh:

Every mainstream RW position is exactly what you support (which is perfectly fine), but because you read some crazy sh1t on 4chan, you think you're fighting against the system.I don't even know what 4chan is. But you do.

[The Slim Reaper]

I don't even know what 4chan is. But you do.

You don't see me spouting the same bollocks (maybe different bollocks depending on your opinion of me) like Q, and the Trump is still in charge. The military are going to stop Biden on inauguration day.

The name of the site you get this bollocks from doesn't really matter, but the regurgitation of the conspiracies, absolutely does.

[bots]

Vanessa, the feeds and sites you are using for information are 10% truth and 90% fiction. News stories have to be checked against reputable sources before you can believe them. Not everything you read is true

No. I saw bitontheside calling out Vanessa earlier in this thread for listening to things that he personally believes she shouldn't be.

Post 50 would be an example.

I'm just like him and warn you against the mainstream media. Difference is, I show you why they are not trustworthy.


The above is post 50. I said she should verify the stories she is reading against reputable sources. That is very wise advice. I never suggested that she not read something

[Alf]

The above is post 50. I said she should verify the stories she is reading against reputable sources. That is very wise advice. I never suggested that she not read somethingThat was what you were suggesting with your post.

You were trying to discredit Vanessa.

Ammi has, also been very opinionated in this thread. You haven't yet pulled Ammi up and told her that she needs her stories checked by reputable sources. She's posted links from "Rolling Stone" magazine. They're about as trustworthy as Peter Sutcliffe with a hamner.

Why did you single Vanessa out, may I ask?

[Mystic Mock]

With all the violence the Jewish community are facing at the moment it is very possible that they could have been preparing for a bolt hole type scenario if violence escalated. It seems more plausible that they will be preparing to protect themselves rather than it be something sinister.

Well we know that anti-Semitism is on the rise.

Just ask the Universities, Colleges and SNL's propaganda piece against the Jewish community as to how popular anti-Semitic rhetoric is getting.

Just to show people what I'm on about with SNL.

Propaganda from SNL:
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The true events/"it depends on the context" when asked about if it's okay for University Students to be cheering on the genocide of the Jewish community:
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And before anyone says anything, if these three idiots were to say the same thing about Muslims being threatened, and SNL tried to use Propaganda to make their side of the argument look unhinged, then I would still be saying the same thing that I'm saying now, because propaganda and blatant lies shouldn't be acceptable to anyone when talking about encouraging harm to someone, or in this case a group of people.

I agree with you AnnieK btw about why these tunnels exist.

[Mystic Mock]

I think the vast majority of the world population believe everything they read. No election is safe any more and it won't be from vote rigging, it will be from misinformation

That's because sadly the majority of the population are brain dead morons.

And I say that as a fellow brain dead moron.:laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

You talk about propaganda.

This is what mainstream brainwashing, propaganda has done to people.


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Libs Of TikTok is also propaganda.

The one thing that I've learned over the last couple of years is trust nobody with a following, there's bound to be some form of propaganda in most cases with the people/companies that fall into this group.

[Mystic Mock]

Yeah, social media is our downfall, the thing that has given the little people a voice.

It's definitely not the mainstream media being our downfall. These people are speaking from a place of reality.


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All that clip shows to me is that Humanity is even more pathetic than I originally thought.

What kind of lame **** hits the airwaves nowadays is mind boggling.

[Mystic Mock]

7 million people died of covid, and long covid is still a massive, massive issue. That hugging through plastic nonsense was insane and for TV bollocks.

In reality, there was a global pandemic that was extremely dicey for a while. If you don't know anyone that died, was hospitalised, or suffers long covid, you're extremely fortunate, but I'd wager that most of us do.

James Melville, for instance, was upset during that time because his 80yr old dad couldn't mingle with people or visit him. I strongly disagree that covid was propaganda.

I wouldn't say Covid itself was propaganda (the disease is very much real imo) in fact I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be slightly worse than the Media and the Government have claimed.

I will controversially say that I believe that the Media and the leaders around the world have lied about how effective the Vaccines have been, I think that the Economy worldwide was dying at the time, and they needed people out and about spending money and working to keep certain industries afloat.

I am going to guess that the Vaccines don't really do anything for people (good or bad) I just think that the world leaders needed an excuse to make money again, because they couldn't have people sitting on their butts all day.

And I know that I'm sounding like an anti-vaxxer (I know in myself that I'm not) but I understand if people think that I am.

[bots]

That was what you were suggesting with your post.

You were trying to discredit Vanessa.

Ammi has, also been very opinionated in this thread. You haven't yet pulled Ammi up and told her that she needs her stories checked by reputable sources. She's posted links from "Rolling Stone" magazine. They're about as trustworthy as Peter Sutcliffe with a hamner.

Why did you single Vanessa out, may I ask?

I know i'm asking for the impossible, but stop being an ass, i don't have the patience for your crap

[Vanessa]

That was what you were suggesting with your post.

You were trying to discredit Vanessa.

Ammi has, also been very opinionated in this thread. You haven't yet pulled Ammi up and told her that she needs her stories checked by reputable sources. She's posted links from "Rolling Stone" magazine. They're about as trustworthy as Peter Sutcliffe with a hamner.

Why did you single Vanessa out, may I ask?
Oh I agree Rolling Stones aren't reliable at all.

[Alf]

I know i'm asking for the impossible, but stop being an ass, i don't have the patience for your crapYou can dish it out but you can't take it.

Here's what I'll do for you, I'll put you on ignore, because I have no time for you either.

Have a good life.

[Ammi]

I've stopped reading most news these days because it's designed to generate a reaction. I feel that I'm in the norm. The ones who do read it a lot, you can tell, because they're more hysterical and it's a vicious cycle, when most articles don't contain enough information to have an objective opinion on most things. Israel/Gaza is one of those topics for me where I don't feel more educated when reading, but rather more ignorant because I can see clearly I have no perspective in terms of understanding what any of those people are going though...

"Don't read this! Don't read that! It's propagandaaa!" Yeah, ok. It's all propaganda one way or another... I check headlines and don't bother thinking my opinion is superior when I do read in-depth, because I'm only getting the gist of something basic information when certain hot button issues are involved. Persuasion and spin in news is often delivered by omission, which is why reading x-leaning sources is beneficial because they have far more incentive to include details that otherwise are mysteriously left out by even mainstream outlets. I'm immediately skeptical of anyone trying to persuade anyone to not read opposing sources because they claim it's outside certain bulwark...


On topic, I don't think that the high chair and mattresses are anything extraordinary if it's meant to be a shelter of sorts.

Re: Epstein&Conspiracy, I'm of the opinion that Hollywood is a scourge of the Earth kind of thing and that the world would be much better place if it were not what it is today. That said, it's not exclusively a Jew thing, in my opinion. Here's my thought...

There's long been elements of what we have perceived as a superiority over others type of complex and thus so much power is brokered there. Celebrities dictate to us. They're not that interested in the activities of normal people. They're here to tell us what to do and to show us their ideal world. Thus, there are religious aspects, but lean more towards the mystical or fundamentalist... add in the prevalence of drugs, experimenting with shrooms and other oddities and it's no surprise many elements thrive there. How many of them use psychics? It's not simply a Judaism thing is what I'm saying. Santeria (some well known people are in it), Kabbalah, Scientology... the extreme sides of insert trending spirituality seems to thrive in that space, especially as it supports any sort of superiority complex, and that has always been a red flag. Christianity is shunned more, because of course it's often seen as a religion of the plebs. In Hollywood, celebrity must be unmistakable in appearances and thus there is an emphasis in living a more enlightened lifestyle. Modern day leftism is another manifestation of this, but tomorrow it'll be something else completely when it runs out of fashion...

Anyway, I've indulged with my thoughts, but none of this relates back to the underground tunnels, I think? Why hide such activities in tunnels when it's out in the open in other spaces, at least far as Hollywood is concerned. I don't think that the Jewish community on the whole has any connection to that. Why would Hollywood and the Epstein types want anything to do with the religious activities of regular people? Yes, religion might be a door per say into those things if you're already in their space, but they want to indoctrinate people into their specific version of that ideology. It's how probably so many horrible things stay under wraps. Whatever they practice in conjunction is "off the map" from what most people know of it anyway. Do you think someone visiting Scientology HQ is sitting down in the same classes as Tom Cruise? Leah Remini's written a book basically stating she had no idea of the real impact of her religion because the celebrity side is so different. They're getting specialized attention and doctrine not meant for the plebs... so why would they have a need for a synagogue when they could build their own and do those activities far more privately?

Let me know when Epstein or some other celebrity freak is caught having funded the building of those tunnels, then that conversation is very different is basically what I'm saying....


….I always love hearing your thoughts, Maru…:love:…underground tunnelling systems in themselves don’t feel like an unusual thing in general in the US, it’s just the attempted expansion of these particular ones that have caused concerns for the structures surrounding them and quite an urgency to make the area safe for everyone…it must be a concern for those living in the area and whose buildings might be impacted by any uncertainty of safety…I hope that it can all be sorted out fairly quickly so that the structural engineers and all concerned that it’s all completely secured for all…

[Oliver_W]

Libs Of TikTok is also propaganda.

For sharing videos?

[Ninastar]

Only on tibb can we go from a thread calling Jews pedos, to covid being propaganda

[user104658]

The only thing that was propaganda about Covid is the idea that things got better or it went away... when what actually happened is that it was recategorised as an accepted routine illness like influenza. Covid numbers were as high this winter as at any "peak point" of the pandemic, if not far higher, it was going round in circles at my daughter's school for months (and probably still is). Vaccines have helped reduce mortality a bit, though it's more just that staff are more used to it and have the experience/skills to reduce mortality. Other than that it's here forever :shrug:. So with that being the case - in hindsight, all of the attempts to contain or eliminate it WERE futile and somewhat ridiculous... it's an easily spread airborne virus and was never, ever going to be contained. The things that were put in place were waaay over the top. Or in short - the Scandinavian countries "had it right" by putting in some safety measures, but not effectively shutting down their entire economies :umm2:.

Anyway that's a little off topic...

I really was posting to say that it's not all that weird that "Jews are Paedos!" and "Covid was a lie!" are in the same thread, it's all the same mindset really.

"Trump is secretly still in charge!!",
"Hunter Biden's Laptop!!11!1",
"God King Messiah Trump!!",
"If the earth is round WHY can't u see teh CUUURVE!!"

All the same barmy nonsense for gullible people with too much time on their hands.

[Ammi]

…one of the things that I will say which is specific to this…is that I’ve read on several articles/sources…(…and I won’t post any, they’re very easy for anyone to seek out themselves who may wish to…)…in regards to some items that have gained attention …?…the area that was attempted to be expanded has for a while being used as storage and for dumping of general waste/unwanted items as well and when it was being cleared for that expansion intension…those items were being taken out for disposal through the tunnel area….the only illegal activities being in trying to expand an area and compromising the integrity of the building(s)….

[Niamh.]

…one of the things that I will say which is specific to this…is that I’ve read on several articles/sources…(…and I won’t post any, they’re very easy for anyone to seek out themselves who may wish to…)…in regards to some items that have gained attention …?…the area that was attempted to be expanded has for a while being used as storage and for dumping of general waste/unwanted items as well and when it was being cleared for that expansion intension…those items were being taken out for disposal through the tunnel area….the only illegal activities being in trying to expand an area and compromising the integrity of the building(s)….

Yes, that makes complete sense

[Vanessa]

Obviously there are good and bad people everywhere. So I'm not saying one particular group is bad.
But extremists in tunnels? For me it's never a good thing.

[user104658]

Obviously there are good and bad people everywhere. So I'm not saying one particular group is bad.
But extremists in tunnels? For me it's never a good thing.

WHere has there been any indication that these are "extremists"? Other than on the Trump-o-web.

[Livia]

Guess what? Epstein and Ghislaine are Jewish as well. Now deleted: Coincidence? I think not.

That's an anti-Semitic comment, you're obviously consuming a lot of dangerous conspiracy content atm

Be careful about what you say. I'm not antisemitic. How dare you?

It's good that you amended the first quoted comment, it's still there though because people who were alarmed by it, quoted it. People who make wildly anti- Semitic comments seem to get bent out of shape when people tell them they're anti-Semitic. It's you who should be careful what they say, Vanessa.

Really good, though, to see a Mod pick this up without it being flagged up to them.

[Beso]

The post was there for over a day.

[Livia]

The post was there for over a day.

I've been away for a while, normally I'd have reported it. But anti-Semitism isn't seen as racism. Not on here, anyway.

[Vanessa]

I deleted the post, because I didn't want to offend anyone. I've been attacked relentlessly since I posted this thread.
I thought about deleting my account. Because being called antisemitic is really hurtful. I know it's not me.
It didn't came out how I meant it.
I know there's good and bad people in every religion.
I meant a certain group who are obviously extremists.
So I'm going to stay and this is the last time I give my opinion on anything.
From now on I'll just post the thread and no more of mu opinions on anything on this forum.
Because clearly I'm not able to express myself.

[Vanessa]

I really wish I hadn't posted this thread. Next time I won't bother.
This is the last time I post anything on tibb.

[Kate!]

I deleted the post, because I didn't want to offend anyone. I've been attacked relentlessly since I posted this thread.
I thought about deleting my account. Because being called antisemitic is really hurtful. I know it's not me.
It didn't came out how I meant it.
I know there's good and bad people in every religion.
I meant a certain group who are obviously extremists.
So I'm going to stay and this is the last time I give my opinion on anything.
From now on I'll just post the thread and no more of mu opinions on anything on this forum.
Because clearly I'm not able to express myself.

I think its unnecessary how you've been jumped on. I know you didn't mean it badly, or to cause offence. The fact that you deleted it proves you didn't mean to upset anyone. Don't take it to heart.

[Vanessa]

Thanks for making me cry. Really appreciated. I'm out of here.

[Kate!]

Thanks for making me cry. Really appreciated. I'm out of here.

Ness, come on lovely, don't be upset. You wouldn't cause offence to anyone, you're such a sensitive caring person. You've deleted the comment, so people shouldn't be jumping on you. Hugs x

[Vanessa]

I'll ask for my account to be deleted tomorrow.

[Vanessa]

Can a mod please delete this thread?

[Kate!]

It's good that you amended the first quoted comment, it's still there though because people who were alarmed by it, quoted it. People who make wildly anti- Semitic comments seem to get bent out of shape when people tell them they're anti-Semitic. It's you who should be careful what they say, Vanessa.

Really good, though, to see a Mod pick this up without it being flagged up to them.

Ness deleted it and apologised if she caused.offence. It wasn't meant that way. I think people are being too harsh like Alf said. She's very upset.

[bots]

I'll ask for my account to be deleted tomorrow.

There is no need for that Vanessa. The troubles in gaza and israel are an emotive subject and there is misinformation coming from all directions. Just keep that in mind when you are reading stuff