Labour government. (Are you on the Left or the Right?)

[nodisharmony]

When you vote for Labour, there will be reasons for your vote and basically, you should all realise that there is only two main parties and voting for Liberal or anyone else is a wasted vote.

The next election will be the same and it will be Labour or Conservative and thats that.

But, if the vote is for Labour, there are two sides of Labour which you must realise and it does exist.

There is the (Left-wingers) & the (Right-wingers)


1)
Do you know what the two sides mean?


2)
What is your reasons for being a Left-winger and why?


3)
What is your reasons for being a Right-winger and why?


4)
How extreme are you, in relation to either side.


5)
Are you not bothered about the Left & Right side, and simply vote for Labour, just because their policies and ideas for the future are better than the Conservatives?


6)
Does the Left or Right side extremists in the party, have any real influence to the way the party is governed?


7)
Can there be serious problems from being an extremist of either side, Left or Right?


8)
Any News articles that you can post in this thread which could prove your case in relation to the above question 7)


9)
Do you support your local GP and what side is he or she on?


10)
If Keith Vaz is your GP, or you are a fan of him, where do you think his views are, Left or Right?






nodisharmony :angel:

[Dr43%er]

Keith Vaz. His views are firmly in his wallet.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by nodisharmony

5)
Are you not bothered about the Left & Right side, and simply vote for Labour, just because their policies and ideas for the future are better than the Conservatives?

:laugh: Funny.

[Jackie]

hello lauren:wavey::wavey::wavey::wavey:

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by nodisharmony

5)
Are you not bothered about the Left & Right side, and simply vote for Labour, just because their policies and ideas for the future are better than the Conservatives?

:laugh: Funny.

Not into the two main parties who will always run the country then?

I guess you think they are the same? or have I read you wrong?





nodisharmony :angel:

[Lauren]

Nah, I was just laughing at the point that "Labour's policies are better than Conservative" - I'm a right winger myself and have always been critical of the Labour party.

[Matt]

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by nodisharmony

5)
Are you not bothered about the Left & Right side, and simply vote for Labour, just because their policies and ideas for the future are better than the Conservatives?

:laugh: Funny.

That is the funniest part of a post I have read all day.

Go Conservatives!

[Stu]

From what I can gether in most countries their is Liberal and Conservative in one form or another.

Im liberal all the way for anything in life and politics.

[Dr43%er]

In that case Stu, you are a wasted person according to Nodis.

[Lauren]

I don't think nodis was saying that. I think he means actually voting liberals in the general election won't reap benefits as they need a dramatic (unnatural) increase for them to win.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Stu
From what I can gether in most countries their is Liberal and Conservative in one form or another.

Im liberal all the way for anything in life and politics.

Well, when the Tories ruled for so long, the majority of the voting public wanted a change, so here came New-Labour (Left & Right).

But now, Conservatives are the change, well I am a Conservative voter and always have been, however, I don't agree with all their policies and much other stuff.

But many think they are all as bad and corrupt as each other:rolleyes:

"Let's blame an individual", eh:whistle:

One resignation solves everything. Well that's rubbish.......


Fall-girl, Fall-guy......Don't work......








nodisharmony :angel:

[Stu]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
In that case Stu, you are a wasted person according to Nodis.
Fine by me!!!

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
In that case Stu, you are a wasted person according to Nodis.

Read the post Dr43%er:cloud:

I state that Labour or Conservative in the UK will be the next Government in this country.

When the winner is announced, I shall always be right. But you know I always am.....:laugh:






nodisharmony :angel:

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Lauren
I don't think nodis was saying that. I think he means actually voting liberals in the general election won't reap benefits as they need a dramatic (unnatural) increase for them to win.

Exactly what I said Lauren:thumbs:

Thanks for clarifying that fact to the three letter occupant in this thread...





nodisharmony :angel:

[Dr43%er]

"I shall always be right. But you know I always am....." Are you **** as like.

To say it is a wasted vote is to stifle political freedom. Even if they do not win they can have an effect on the political landscape when it come to voting in parliament.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
"I shall always be right. But you know I always am....." Are you **** as like.

To say it is a wasted vote is to stifle political freedom. Even if they do not win they can have an effect on the political landscape when it come to voting in parliament.

It's hardly stifling political freedom... had nodis said "I forbid anyone to vote lib dems" then yes... that would be stifling. To simply state that he doesn't believe it will have a major impact in terms of general election isn't.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
"I shall always be right. But you know I always am....." Are you **** as like.

To say it is a wasted vote is to stifle political freedom. Even if they do not win they can have an effect on the political landscape when it come to voting in parliament.

A vote for Liberal in the next election, is viewed as a wasted vote, when it is complete and total FACT, that it will be Labour or Conservative who will win.

We all know about "seats", but that is nothing compared to "total power" and when a pupil is under the control of a teacher in the before-hand, it just shows who has the control.

A three-letter occupant within a thread who has been told that I, "nodisharmony", has said that a member is a wasted person, when I actually said, that voting another party, other than Labour or Conservative, is a wasted vote. not a person.

That is fact!! which forum member Lauren, aslo pointed out.

Think before you post, like I always do:wink:




nodisharmony :angel:

[Stu]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by Dr43%er
"I shall always be right. But you know I always am....." Are you **** as like.

To say it is a wasted vote is to stifle political freedom. Even if they do not win they can have an effect on the political landscape when it come to voting in parliament.

A vote for Liberal in the next election, is viewed as a wasted vote, when it is complete and total FACT, that it will be Labour or Conservative who will win.

We all know about "seats", but that is nothing compared to "total power" and when a pupil is under the control of a teacher in the before-hand, it just shows who has the control.

A three-letter occupant within a thread who has been told that I, "nodisharmony", has said that a member is a wasted person, when I actually said, that voting another party, other than Labour or Conservative, is a wasted vote. not a person.

That is fact!! which forum member Lauren, aslo pointed out.

Think before you post, like I always do:wink:




nodisharmony :angel:
Why are you constantly reffering to me as a three letter occupant?!

I still stand by my comment that being 'wasted' if fine by me. As far as politics , I happen to be utterly apathetic towards them.

You also said liberal , and I quote , is 'a wasted vote' and now your retorting to merely saying its 'viewed' as a wasted vote.

Where the heck do you bloody stand?!

threeletteroccupant :angel:

[Dr43%er]

Just because they may not win does not mean it is a wasted vote. Simply incorrect. Not to vote is a wasted vote. Why was brown after Ashdown to work with Labour if he did not think he had to get the LibDems on side or they had something to offer? Tell you what, no one vote for what they believe in and we end up with a dictatorship.

With regards to Stu and being a wasted person, I think he got what I was saying, and as I was talking to him, that is good enough for me.

[Stu]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
Just because they may not win does not mean it is a wasted vote. Simply incorrect. Not to vote is a wasted vote. Why was brown after Ashdown to work with Labour if he did not think he had to get the LibDems on side or they had something to offer? Tell you what, no one vote for what they believe in and we end up with a dictatorship.

With regards to Stu and being a wasted person, I think he got what I was saying, and as I was talking to him, that is good enough for me.
I got what you were saying and im not even legally allowed to vote , and even if I was , i would not anyway [hence wasted vote] :joker::joker::joker:.

I was merely commenting that in general I would be liberal for anything in life and am not too fond of most aspects of conservatism.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Stu

Why are you constantly reffering to me as a three letter occupant?!

I still stand by my comment that being 'wasted' if fine by me. As far as politics , I happen to be utterly apathetic towards them.

You also said liberal , and I quote , is 'a wasted vote' and now your retorting to merely saying its 'viewed' as a wasted vote.

Where the heck do you bl***y stand?!

threeletteroccupant :angel:

You have read the thread Stu, and your comment:- Fine by me!!!

Seemed strange??? especially after myself and Lauren clarified things and my thread was quite clear on that matter.

Regarding the "Three letter occupant", that is due to another past matter!!!, but anyway, your username has three letters, so that is neither-here-nor-there. Anyway, I shall call you "Stu" from now on...

I stand on the Conservative side, as I have said.

The Liberal's want the "Euro", thank god they won't get in:yuk:

I don't follow politics too much, I just look at unfair and corrupt situations, which crop up from time to time and need pointing out.

Nobody can change evrything:wink:







nodisharmony :angel:

[Stu]

.Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by Stu

Why are you constantly reffering to me as a three letter occupant?!

I still stand by my comment that being 'wasted' if fine by me. As far as politics , I happen to be utterly apathetic towards them.

You also said liberal , and I quote , is 'a wasted vote' and now your retorting to merely saying its 'viewed' as a wasted vote.

Where the heck do you bl***y stand?!

threeletteroccupant :angel:

You have read the thread Stu, and your comment:- Fine by me!!!

Seemed strange??? especially after myself and Lauren clarified things and my thread was quite clear on that matter.

Regarding the "Three letter occupant", that is due to another past matter!!!, but anyway, your username has three letters, so that is neither-here-nor-there. Anyway, I shall call you "Stu" from now on...

I stand on the Conservative side, as I have said.

The Liberal's want the "Euro", thank god they won't get in:yuk:

I don't follow politics too much, I just look at unfair and corrupt situations, which crop up from time to time and need pointing out.

Nobody can change evrything:wink:







nodisharmony :angel:
I havent actually read my comment per say , but I feel I have a pretty good grasp on it , considering it was me who typed it up :rolleyes:

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
Just because they may not win does not mean it is a wasted vote. Simply incorrect. Not to vote is a wasted vote. Why was brown after Ashdown to work with Labour if he did not think he had to get the LibDems on side or they had something to offer? Tell you what, no one vote for what they believe in and we end up with a dictatorship.

With regards to Stu and being a wasted person, I think he got what I was saying, and as I was talking to him, that is good enough for me.

I am on about the party who runs the country, not about "seats", I have stated that.

It is like votes for the BNP, Raving Loony, Green etc... etc...

There are always going to be voters but the voters are doing little impact, as they simply won't win the election, so really, I would say it is better to understand the inevitable. But, the other parties do get voted and that is upto the individuals and freedom of choice.

Freedom is important and understanding the word in all contexts.

Lord Paddy Ashdown is a great politician and Gordon Brown will know that. But the Government has think-tanks and it may seem that Gordon has made the decisions, but one man still can't do everything in Government.

It's teamwork:bigsmile:

______________________________________
If Stu got what you were saying, I can only assess, that there are other issues which I can't see in this thread, but know about indirectly.






nodisharmony :angel:

[Stu]

If Stu got what you were saying, I can only assess, that there are other issues which I can't see in this thread, but know about indirectly.


I responded to his post in a joking manner with the intention of pointing out that being wasted isint all that bad.

I might be the only one seeing humor in all of this.

[Dr43%er]

"I am on about the party who runs the country, not about "seats", I have stated that."

You did not state that until you needed to bolster your argument further on in the thread.

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by nodisharmony

I stand on the Conservative side, as I have said.


nodisharmony :angel:

Says Keith Vaz's only fan

Oh....... the sweet irony

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
"I am on about the party who runs the country, not about "seats", I have stated that."

You did not state that until you needed to bolster your argument further on in the thread.


The thread title was about Left & Right wing, but has manifested itself into something connected with it, but not actually directly about it.

I have stated that a vote for Labour or Conservative, is not a wasted vote in the next election.

I have stated that "seats" are a part of the voting system, but make no difference when it comes to those who rule the country.

The extreme Left wingers exist in the Labour party and even though the majority are on the Right, the end justifies the means, no matter who is part of the teamwork.

I added "seats" to the argument, as it was worth adding.





nodisharmony :angel:

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by spacebandit
Originally posted by nodisharmony

I stand on the Conservative side, as I have said.


nodisharmony :angel:

Says Keith Vaz's only fan

Oh....... the sweet irony


"Keith Vaz's only fan????"

That has to be the biggest laugh :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

I can certainly say, that Keith Vaz has a massive fanbase.

Anyone can also like a politician in an opposing party and admire them, which is NOT what I am saying.

What I am saying, is, that there is positives as well as negatives in regards to that politician, and I am not saying that I personally like him especially, but certainly point him out.





nodisharmony :angel:

[Dr43%er]

"I have stated that a vote for Labour or Conservative, is not a wasted vote in the next election."

As only one can win (unless we have a coalition) then like the liberal vote, if you vote for any other losing party it is a wasted vote with your thinking. so your above statement falls on it's arse.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
"I have stated that a vote for Labour or Conservative, is not a wasted vote in the next election."

As only one can win (unless we have a coalition) then like the liberal vote, if you vote for any other losing party it is a wasted vote with your thinking. so your above statement falls on it's ****.

My above statement is true.

My way of thinking is in relation to a vote in the right direction.

If you play Roulette, it is safer to bet on Red or Black.

There is a "0", but that goes to the banker.

But Politics is much more complicated, but the end justifies the means. Gordon Brown & David Cameron are very sure of the two options.

I am thinking on their lines :laugh:





nodisharmony :angel:

[bananarama]

A vote for new Labour is in effect a vote for "Old Tory". Pre 1980's........We don't have a Labour Government. Our Choice is "New Tory called new Labour" or "New right wing conservatives as propogated by Thatcher".....

Bottom line is from a political perspective the choice is Right wing tory under Labour or even more right wing under Cameron...

The Lib party for what they are worth are clones of old labour and as such will remain unelectable....

[rex3]

im the body of the bird, neither right or left wing. All I wanna see is less frigen wars, less monaplization of poorer people in and out of the country. And not a pontamine of Poletians yelling left or right.


your all getting dragged in, the fake craze of being left or right, the media keeping alive terms like right and left wing, just want you to forget about what is actually going on. and how zionism effects the whole world....

[Jack]

I think I'm more right wing and quite old fashioned in my views.

[secrets]

is,nt this government all champagne socialists.?

that way you can be as left as you like but live a life of obscene excess.............but not for us mere mortals.:mad:

[Dr43%er]

I forgot about this thread.

So the LibDems vote is a wasted vote.

Ealing Southhall by-election June 2007.

Labour hold. Lib Dem second. Conservative third.

Out of 85,262 possible voters 36,618 people voted. Labour beat the Lib dems by 5070 votes polling 15,188 votes. Thats 17.81% of the total electorate.


Sedgefield by-election June 2007

Labour hold. Lib Dem second. Conservative third.

Out of 67,314 possible voters 27,962 people voted. Labour beat Lib Dem by 6959 votes polling 12,528 votes. Thats 18.61% of the total electorate.

Ok, Labour won both, but with less than one fifth of the total available vote.

Now, how many of the people who did vote voted for labour/conservative as a negative vote to stop the other getting in, rather than voting for Lib Dem as it is deemed by some as a wasted vote. We will never know but the cold facts are that the Lib Dems are the second party in these areas. There is no reason this could not be converted to a national level.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
I forgot about this thread.

So the LibDems vote is a wasted vote.

Ealing Southhall by-election June 2007.

Labour hold. Lib Dem second. Conservative third.

Out of 85,262 possible voters 36,618 people voted. Labour beat the Lib dems by 5070 votes polling 15,188 votes. Thats 17.81% of the total electorate.


Sedgefield by-election June 2007

Labour hold. Lib Dem second. Conservative third.

Out of 67,314 possible voters 27,962 people voted. Labour beat Lib Dem by 6959 votes polling 12,528 votes. Thats 18.61% of the total electorate.

Ok, Labour won both, but with less than one fifth of the total available vote.

Now, how many of the people who did vote voted for labour/conservative as a negative vote to stop the other getting in, rather than voting for Lib Dem as it is deemed by some as a wasted vote. We will never know but the cold facts are that the Lib Dems are the second party in these areas. There is no reason this could not be converted to a national level.

"Seats", yes we know:rolleyes:

The house of commons has an area especially for the Liberal Democrats, we all know that.

But, the Labour Government are first, the Conservative's are second and the Liberal Democrats are third.

The Liberal's are going to stay third and the battle for Government/Leadership is a two horse race which will continue that way.

I appreciate about a minority amount of areas in the country who do win seats, but it just ain't good enough, is it....

Anyway, this thread is about (Are you on the Left or the Right?) The Labour Government is split and extremists on one side in particular, especially Socialists, with certain views, who go down another path, Gordon Brown doesn't strike me as a Left winger?






nodisharmony :angel:

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
The Labour Government is split and extremists on one side in particular, especially Socialists, with certain views, who go down another path, Gordon Brown doesn't strike me as a Left winger?
nodisharmony :angel:

and of the extremists of the "right" side, in the tory camp and just outside - we get no comment

Quelle suprise

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by spacebandit
Originally posted by nodisharmony
The Labour Government is split and extremists on one side in particular, especially Socialists, with certain views, who go down another path, Gordon Brown doesn't strike me as a Left winger?
nodisharmony :angel:

and of the extremists of the "right" side, in the tory camp and just outside - we get no comment

Quelle suprise

Do we?

No Comment from the "right" side of the tory camp:rolleyes:

Old Labour were known as more-to-the-left, and socialism was more their style, but Tony Blair and today Gordon Brown is nothing like Old Labour. It is New Labour, with NEW ways, but amongst the party, there are politicians who have the views of Tony Benn and we know where he stands, don't we:wink:

Not interested in the Tory's and extremists on their side. This debate is controlled and manipulated by the author:wink:

He has a name:laugh::laugh:





nodisharmony :angel:

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by spacebandit
Originally posted by nodisharmony
The Labour Government is split and extremists on one side in particular, especially Socialists, with certain views, who go down another path, Gordon Brown doesn't strike me as a Left winger?
nodisharmony :angel:

and of the extremists of the "right" side, in the tory camp and just outside - we get no comment

Quelle suprise

Do we?

No Comment from the "right" side of the tory camp:rolleyes:

Old Labour were known as more-to-the-left, and socialism was more their style, but Tony Blair and today Gordon Brown is nothing like Old Labour. It is New Labour, with NEW ways, but amongst the party, there are politicians who have the views of Tony Benn and we know where he stands, don't we:wink:

Not interested in the Tory's and extremists on their side. This debate is controlled and manipulated by the author:wink:

He has a name:laugh::laugh:

nodisharmony :angel:

I know you don't want to discuss right wing extremists

You seem to want to keep quiet about them and concentrate on left wing extremists.

I have noticed in my experience that its a well worn method of extremists, and those who share their views but are too gutless to actually stand up and speak the courage of their so called convictions, to attempt to concentrate the spotlight on "the other side". To find someone to scapegoat, usually minorites in the case of far right extremists for example.

As for your comment about "manipulation"......

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

If only you could understand ......

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by spacebandit


I know you don't want to discuss right wing extremists

You seem to want to keep quiet about them and concentrate on left wing extremists.

I have noticed in my experience that its a well worn method of extremists, and those who share their views but are too gutless to actually stand up and speak the courage of their so called convictions, to attempt to concentrate the spotlight on "the other side". To find someone to scapegoat, usually minorites in the case of far right extremists for example.

As for your comment about "manipulation"......

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

If only you could understand ......

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

I am talking about "Left Wing Extremists in the Labour Party", "Left wingers, also in the Labour Party". Am I interested in the Conservative Party and their left/right sides? NO......That word has an (N) and an (O) and nothing hidden between, just like ME:bigsmile:

Nothing hidden:eureka:

I am speaking MY mind on this debate, just like yourself, but with a bit more Tact, I might add:rolleyes:

Still waiting on a decent response to my opening thread, whereby I asked certain questions and some-how, missed certain things out for a specific reason, which is in relation to the thread title and how I set out this thread with MY rules and regulations:laugh:

You know me, don't you:wink:

I understand "manipulation" and how it is used against ***********, But the Labour party, left-side......Well, I'll let you explain it all and I shall pick at it.............:bigsmile:








nodisharmony :angel:

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by nodisharmony

I understand "manipulation" and how it is used against ***********, But the Labour party, left-side......Well, I'll let you explain it all and I shall pick at it.............:bigsmile:

nodisharmony :angel:

the left wing of the labour party, or should I say the far left wing of the labour party, which you seem to wish to concentrate on is a toothless non-entity.

Completely irrelevant in todays world, a bare bones clique living on its past "glories" in the cold war era and of its union backed power stranglehold of the late 60's to late 70's.

On the other hand the far right expremists, of whom you do not wish to speak are a very real threat to the fabric and harmony of our society, especially their aims to foment discord within the inner cities for political gain.

Of course you don't want to speak about them, you say you are "speaking" with "tact". I say you are attempting to divert attention from the far right and opening a debate about the boogeyman of the far left which is a complete irrelevance.

The far right hate minorities, immigration, think immigrants are treated better than "the british"etc etc - I have seen members of the far right express these ideas on various forums, and I have seen other people express the exact same ideas and thoughts on other forums...... havent I ?

Therein lies the rub of your argument. Manipulation of the "discussion" from the relevant to the irrelevant.

How very transparent of you.

[spitfire]

Originally posted by spacebanditThe far right hate immigration, think immigrants are treated better than "the british".
TBH at the moment i agree with that!But im far from far right.:wink:

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by spitfire
Originally posted by spacebanditThe far right hate immigration, think immigrants are treated better than "the british".
TBH at the moment i agree with that!But Im far from far right.:wink:

As are a lot of people, you are not alone in thinking it. the situation has been componded and created [to its current level] by the insane politically correct policies of Labour. Which, as anyone who reads press releases can fathom are going to be adhered to by the conservatives.

the difference is that despite the patronising stupidity of both Labour and Conservative they don't actually want people being bottled or stabbed or beaten in the street because they are "foreign". Although I suspect it is going to become a more and more frequent news headline.

Whereas our Far Right neighbours see that as a means to an end, and some applaud it and excuse and apologise for it - the far right has plenty of practical professional apologists trolling around the www and coming up with specious excuses why it is excusable to beat on someone because they are not caucasian.