Conservative Rwanda Act has been approved by the King

[arista]

Title Edited
as the Rwanda Act goes to the King
for approval.

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one of many


Brendon Clarke-Smith MP has also resigned



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Brendon & Lee


All because of the Rwanda Bill

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[arista]

68 Yes

529 No

Amendment to the Rwanda Bill

The Government Won that vote


Another vote Clause

Yes 58
No 525

The Government Won that vote, as well




Richard Tice (the Shark) has invited Lee Anderson MP
to join his Reform Party.

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2 Newspapers

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[arista]

Beth Sky News
saying tomorrow the Government could fall?

As the Vote from Sunak's Rwanda Bill
will not be changed for the Angry 68 MP's
including some from DUP.


BBC Newsnight
said the bill will go through?

[arista]

One Female MP also Resigned

[Jane Stevenson, a parliamentary
private secretary (PPS) in the Department
for Business and Trade,
resigned from her role after she
supported two key rebel amendments.]

So 3 MP's Resigned in total
last night

https://news.sky.com/story/tory-deputy-chairmen-lee-anderson-and-brendan-clarke-smith-resign-after-backing-rwanda-bill-amendments-13049746

[Oliver_W]

If so many people from all over the political spectrum are saying this policy sucks ... then maybe it sucks?

[arista]

Another Vote
tonight at after 5:30PM

[arista]

If so many people from all over the political spectrum are saying this policy sucks ... then maybe it sucks?

Give it a chance to work

[bots]

The bill is a result of having to make compromises, just like the brexit bill.

When there are compromises, everyone complains and it struggles to go through. Thats why coalitions never achieve anything :laugh:

[The Slim Reaper]

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[arista]

PM Sunak is having meetings with the Rebels

Vote is soon

[arista]

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Yes Slim
A Slick Move
as that African Nation has other nations under new
contracts.


Why they are at Davos

[arista]

Not wanting to bring the Government Down

The 30 or so in the meeting
have agreed to vote for the Bill.

Ref: SkyNewsHD/LBC/BBC/GBnewsHD Westminster Studio

[arista]

Jenrick's Amendment Vote

Yes: 65
No: 536

Once Again the Government Wins that Vote

[joeysteele]

Those backbenchers and the higher profile Cons who huff and puff loudly for a time.
Always step back from what they really want and end up crawling back behind supporting things they don't believe in .

They'll do it again tonight even though their view is this policy will NOT work.

They get all heated up, then once the vote comes thet cower like behind the sofa and end up supporting it.

A more face saving act for Sunak than a relevant or effective policy in reality.

[arista]

The Final Vote is soon.

[arista]

Yes :320
No :276

Sunaks bill has gone through


off to the House of Lords
next.

[joeysteele]

Typical.
They have no backbone whstsoever the so called rebels.

[arista]

PM Sunak is now going to have a Conference at 10AM today

I do hope all the Press
have a go at him

SkyNewsHD update

[arista]

PM Sunak is to go Live
in his Downing St
Media Room in a moment

[arista]

Live

Now

[arista]

BBC Chris Mason:

Having a go at this saga.

PM Sunak claims he is making, progress.

[arista]

ITV1HD Peston
says it will not happen
and the Houthi Strikes are still going on.


PM Sunak : He knows Detterent's work
because of Albania returns

And on the Houthi's it is concerning

[arista]

SkyNews Beth:

asks about some letters of no confidence
in him.

PM Sunak:
his plan is working

[arista]

Ch4HDnews asks can Sunak ensure a flight
goes before the next Election?

Sunak PM :
he hopes a flight will get off



Times Newspaper asks:
Rule 39 can block you

Sunak PM
will ignore Rule 39.

[joeysteele]

Honestly
He's so full up of mess..
It doesn't just exit from his rear end it floods out of his mouth too.

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[Oliver_W]

Why Rwanda?

Why not one of the islands in the Channel? Much easier and more convenient to put the migrants in, and it could be done as soon as they're picked up!

[bots]

Why Rwanda?

Why not one of the islands in the Channel? Much easier and more convenient to put the migrants in, and it could be done as soon as they're picked up!

thats not far enough away, they want it to be expensive to come back, thats the whole point. They are not held prisoner, they are free to leave the country they are shipped to

[arista]

Why Rwanda?

Why not one of the islands in the Channel? Much easier and more convenient to put the migrants in, and it could be done as soon as they're picked up!


Labour is working on their plan.

[arista]

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[arista]

In Todays Telegraph

Lee Anderson MP would like his old job back?


[He says he regrets quitting as party deputy
chairman in order to rebel against
Rishi Sunak's Rwanda plan - which he now
admits he should have voted for]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13000785/30p-Lee-Anderson-says-wants-job-quitting-Tory-deputy-chairman-order-rebel-against-Rishi-Sunaks-Rwanda-plan-admits-voted-FOR.html

[bots]

he realises he was on the losing side and now wants back in the club

[arista]

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[joeysteele]

What a creep.

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[arista]

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[arista]

1 of 5 Votes

In the House of Lords
A Labour Motion was a Loss to
the Government.

Jon Craig
SkyNewsHD explained
this is to be expected
But much later this Rwanda Bill
will go through.


Other News like the sad BBC
skipped that

[arista]

Live on the Parliament CH HD

The Rwanda Bill

Labour keeps moaning about costs
all the time,


Costs are not a problem.


Getting a Plane full of illegal migrants Flying there is the problem.

[Liam-]

https://twitter.com/haggis_uk/status/1769765070588785005?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

The cost does matter as much as the morality

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[arista]

New Flight to try and take illegal migrants
should be in June 2024.

Delayed because of the Holiday Easter Break.
Pinpong between the House Of Lords
and Parliament.

Also, the Bill has to get a Royal ascent
but that can only happen after Easter break.

Parliament got enough Votes.


Labour House of Lords
are wrecking it.


Long Debate , last night NewsnightHD BBC2

[arista]

Also
on this first Flight
in around June this year,

must ensure No Afghanistan helpers (from our War)
are on that flight

Get them off
plenty of others can bugger off to Africa
send all the others.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Institutional Racism.



At yesterday's Home Affairs Select Committee a Fire Chief accepted an independent report that stated her fire service was institutionally racist yet she could not provide any evidence of racism.


https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1770408927949185170?s=20 :facepalm:

This got me thinking about racism and the whole diversity issue.

Let's be clear people out there in the real world do not give a toss about someone's skin colour, race, religion, sexuality, gender etc.... the people that look to weaponise minority groups are just educated idiots (stupid people with a degree and no common sense).

Look at the 30 odd taxis parked outside Nottingham train station, the majority if not all drivers are of Asian decent and male. Is the taxi industry institutionally racist and sexist?

Ring a plumber up and and the vast majority will be white men. Is the plumbing industry institutionally racist and sexist?

When your leaky tap has been fixed turn the TV on and watch the 100 metres sprint where every man is black. Is the 100m sprint final institutionally racist?

Stay there and watch the swimming sprint finals where all the competitors are usually white. Is swimming institutionally racist?

I could go on and on about this virtue signalling nonsense.

Just leave people alone and let them get on with their own lives. A fair society yes but stop making problems that create division.

Stop it.

[arista]

Sunak PM

Will have to use the Big Tank Carrying Jet
The RAF still use
to take the first illegal migrants to Rwanda
in around June
is the estimated time.

No Charter Jets want the contract.


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[arista]

Sky News Text:
[The Sun leads with Rishi Sunak saying
he could get the UK out of the
European Court of Human Rights - which it
says he could use to fight in the general election]

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[arista]

Sky News Text :
[Rishi Sunak has said the UK will leave
the European Court of Human Rights if
it blocks flights to Rwanda, the Daily Express says.]

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[arista]

[UK government in talks with charter airline
over Rwanda deportation flights

AirTanker revelation comes amid government
confidence that deportations will start soon]


Jolly Nice
Let's test the Flight.



[Rishi Sunak’s government has discussed
the possibility of using a UK-based airline
to deport asylum seekers to Rwanda,
industry sources have confirmed.

AirTanker, a charter airline with
Ministry of Defence and RAF contracts,
is understood to have been involved in talks
about flying people 4,000 miles to Kigali.

The disclosure comes as No 10 prepares
for the latest Rwanda bill to return
to parliament on Monday in its attempt
to deter asylum seekers from traveling across
the Channel in small boats.

Government insiders remain confident
that the bill will pass by the end of April
after another round of parliamentary
ping pong between the House of Commons
and the House of Lords, and that flights
will take off in the spring.]


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Life In The Fast Lane

[arista]

In parliament another Vote Win

306 Yeah

240 No



Of course, it is still Ping Pong
with the House Of Lords.


It is expected to conclude tomorrow
or Next week.

then the Rwanda Bill can be passed by the King.

Sunak has a Mega RAF plane ready
if a flight is cleared to go.................

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[joeysteele]

I still think it a ridiculous policy.

Not to set out to stop the channel crossings but to send anyone to Rwanda for me is unacceptable.

[bots]

I still think it a ridiculous policy.

Not to set out to stop the channel crossings but to send anyone to Rwanda for me is unacceptable.

if they are not going to be allowed to settle here, they have to go somewhere, and the government have an agreement with Rwanda. I don't think there will be many countries that want to take them

[Crimson Dynamo]

Go to an airport with no passport and all hell breaks loose

Arrive onshore in a dinghy and we put you up in a hotel with money and free everything

Can't people see what is going on here??

[joeysteele]

if they are not going to be allowed to settle here, they have to go somewhere, and the government have an agreement with Rwanda. I don't think there will be many countries that want to take them

Well I certainly wouldn't want to be sent to Rwanda.
I don't think it right to FORCE anyone to go there who wouldn't want to.

How long is it going to take to eventually if ever, get everyone of around 30,000 to such a place when there's only 250 places anyway.

The people organising the crossings are absolutely wrong.
However the individuals misguidedly putting any trust in them are potential victims of them.
They are STILL human beings with feelings, hopes and dreams.

That's how I see them anyway.
No matter how wrong I believe the crossings are, I don't accept Rwanda is an appropriate solution.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well I certainly wouldn't want to be sent to Rwanda.
I don't think it right to FORCE anyone to go there who wouldn't want to.

How long is it going to take to eventually if ever, get everyone of around 30,000 to such a place when there's only 250 places anyway.

The people organising the crossings are absolutely wrong.
However the individuals misguidedly putting any trust in them are potential victims of them.
They are STILL human beings with feelings, hopes and dreams.

That's how I see them anyway.
No matter how wrong I believe the crossings are, I don't accept Rwanda is an appropriate solution.
Are you prepared to house 3 or 4?

[Beso]

I still think it a ridiculous policy.

Not to set out to stop the channel crossings but to send anyone to Rwanda for me is unacceptable.

At least they will be in a country that wants them.:shrug:

[Beso]

In parliament another Vote Win

306 Yeah

240 No



Of course, it is still Ping Pong
with the House Of Lords.


It is expected to conclude tomorrow
or Next week.

then the Rwanda Bill can be passed by the King.

Sunak has a Mega RAF plane ready
if a flight is cleared to go.................






About time we stopped China influencing our politicians decisions.

[joeysteele]

At least they will be in a country that wants them.:shrug:

Not really.
They'll be in a Country that is being PAID by us to take them.
Not because Rwanda wants them.

[joeysteele]

Are you prepared to house 3 or 4?

I'd house refugees yes.

I put myself forward to take Ukrainian refugees.


We are fortunate in this Country or should be if any government governed correctly.
With more securities and opportunities.

I may well be seen as a soft touch or even stupid but my personal belief is the only time I should be looking down on someone in any need, is if I'm trying to or am helping them get themselves back up.

You may well scoff at that but that's how I AM.

[arista]

PM Live Rwanda Bill


Downing Street,


He said the first flight should leave in 10 to 12 weeks
time.

[arista]

First Question
i paper
asks how many will be on the flight?

PM says he will give details later


2nd Question
Times paper

asks does this mean not leaving EU court.


PM says he was worked all the details.



3rd Question
Express paper, does that mean no Summer General Election?

PM : Says he has said about that, previously

[arista]

GBnews asks is the House Of Lords
fit for purpose?

PM says the Labour in the House of Lords
are blocking it.


Sky News asks will he
have to have 1000's
gone to Rwanda before people trust him?

PM over 1,000 have been arrested
and he wants the boat crossing to end.

[joeysteele]

Ridiculous policy.

[arista]

He also stated
the Ping Pong between
Parliament & House of Lords
can carry on
all night.

[arista]

Sunak wants the ping pong
to carry on tonight to 3AM votes.

I wonder by then will the MPs be tipsy
after a few drinks.


All media

[arista]

Parliament Live

Safety of Rwanda Bill Amendment 3G
The government has rejected the Lord's
Amendments


306 For the Right
229 For the Left

2nd Vote

305 For The Right
234 For the Left


Final vote

309 For the Right
37 For the Left

[joeysteele]

He'd have been wiser perhaps to hold off and shelve this policy until after an election.

It's a ridiculous one because of multi thousands crossing in the criminal sl gang boats
Only 250+ can go to Rwanda .

How is that a likely deterrent.

He's just going to be having himself left open to more criticism or ridicule on it
Such as has been begun today by Braverman.

Yet it's a policy where no doubt the Country support efforts to stop the crossings, however it appesrs most of the Country, neither understand why or agree with Rwanda as the designated Country.

[arista]

"Only 250+ can go to Rwanda ."

Joey by July
many more will go.

[bots]

the number that get shipped to Rwanda is only limited by the number of flights. Once they get it up and running, they could do 4 flights a day which would be around 1000 people, and that would quickly sort the problem out

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The House of Lords
makes no more changes.

PM Sunak
has won his victory.

It now goes to the King
and The Rwanda Act becomes legal


[The government has committed to staging
a review of asylum decisions for Afghans
who helped British forces to ensure they are not deported
to Rwanda unfairly.
Labour's Des Browne did not push his
amendment as a result.

Meanwhile, in bizarre scenes the Lords was briefly
plunged into darkness thanks to a power cut.]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13337827/Peers-Rwanda-Bill-showdown-Rishi-Parliament-Channel-migrants.html



Sign Of The Times

[joeysteele]

Awful policy.
However let's see what happens from now.

[LaLaLand]

Terrible.

[arista]

Terrible.


Give it a chance to work.

[arista]

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[Ammi]

…so the King approves something that he himself has openly stated as ‘appalling’…/ethically….and that’s the ‘positive role’ of the monarchy for his country…?…..shameful day…

[joeysteele]

…so the King approves something that he himself has openly stated as ‘appalling’…/ethically….and that’s the ‘positive role’ of the monarchy for his country…?…..shameful day…

This is a shameful day when he signs it and it's a shameful policy.

Hopefully it gets changed IF this heartless CON lot do get finally and conclusively booted out in anytime up to only 9 months time now.

This is a detestable policy.
I could never support it.

[Zizu]

This is a shameful day when he signs it and it's a shameful policy.

Hopefully it gets changed IF this heartless CON lot do get finally and conclusively booted out in anytime up to only 9 months time now.

This is a detestable policy.
I could never support it.


Apart from anything else the whole idea sounds completely bonkers !


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[arista]

…so the King approves something that he himself has openly stated as ‘appalling’…/ethically….and that’s the ‘positive role’ of the monarchy for his country…?…..shameful day…

Of Course.

His Politics
does not run the UK.


Give it a chance,

[arista]

This morning five deaths
in the French Waters


Ref:GMBHD itv Live

[joeysteele]

Apart from anything else the whole idea sounds completely bonkers !


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.... and way too costly too.

I know loads of people who do want the boat crossings eased and stopped
However I find very few indeed who think Rwanda is the right Country for this.

Which is my own position on it too.
I find it obscene.
I'd love to see where the evidence is that most of the Country support Rwanda as a safe Country to send ANYONE to who doesn't want to go.

Actually I'll leave it there and just applaud your own word for it Zizu.
Bonkers.
That's exactly what this costly and limited policy is, stark raving bonkers.

[Oliver_W]

Ridiculous.

Find a way to actually stop the crossings, instead of trying to implement a "deterrent" which everyone knows won't affect most of the migrants.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Gusto Brunt]

When they come here, STOP giving them the very best.

STOP the best hotels, the best food, FREE clothes, mobile phones.

Just give them a tent and £25 per week for food. That's it.

TRUST ME, then they'll stop coming!

[arista]

Ridiculous.

Find a way to actually stop the crossings, instead of trying to implement a "deterrent" which everyone knows won't affect most of the migrants.


Lets see
Many Iranians in France paying Criminal Gangs
do not want Africa.

Yes Those Evil Gangsters
like it, they will have to pay them again.


5 Dead In French waters today

[arista]

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[Zizu]

Ridiculous.

Find a way to actually stop the crossings, instead of trying to implement a "deterrent" which everyone knows won't affect most of the migrants.


Surely it would be easy enough to just patrol our own coastlines and far cheaper …

They could even pay fishing boats as early warnings to ring through any sightings they see .

They used radars to defend our airspace 80 years ago so surely there must be some technology available to locate any dodgy boats

Pretty sure our fishing trawlers have gadgets showing where all their mates and competitors ( foreign trawlers included) are located on the sea


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[arista]

One of the 5 Dead, is a child
this morning in French Waters

[arista]

France has rescued,

47 illegal migrants in French Waters


SkyNewsHD Live.

[Zizu]

France has rescued,

47 illegal migrants in French Waters


SkyNewsHD Live.


They will be able to charge them again before sending them again next week


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[arista]

Meanwhile in Dover
over 250 illegal migrants have arrived.

5 died in French Waters on one boat, this morning that got stuck.


Ref : BBC2HD Politics Live

[Oliver_W]

Surely it would be easy enough to just patrol our own coastlines and far cheaper …

They could even pay fishing boats as early warnings to ring through any sightings they see .

They used radars to defend our airspace 80 years ago so surely there must be some technology available to locate any dodgy boats

Pretty sure our fishing trawlers have gadgets showing where all their mates and competitors ( foreign trawlers included) are located on the sea


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As soon as they enter British waters, they "have to" be let in. Which is why the boats should be stopped from departing at all.

[arista]

Typical of BBC Chris Mason
in Poland had to ask PM Sunak
about the 5 deaths in French waters today.

Sunak stated it is incredibly
sad that these people died.


He also used his term
"they are jumping the queue"

[arista]

Far too many were on the boat
around 112 it ended up on a sandbank
they all fell into the water

5 deaths this morning One a Child Girl.

Also, Mark White
reporter, said some run out to the boats to get on free
but on each boat, a gangster will stab them.
Some have died.

[arista]

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Early AM
BBC filmed loads running out to a boat


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[arista]

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[arista]

Sky News Text:
[the main picture on the front page is a
flimsy boat crammed with migrants attempting to
make the crossing from France to the British coast]

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[arista]

3 in the UK
arrested
connected to the Criminal Smuggling gang.


Update a 4th young man
also arrested in connection with Smuggling,
and 5 dead.

[arista]

BBC News Text:
[The paper's main story is about the
recently passed Rwanda bill.
It says the threat of being deported
to the East African country is causing
an influx of migrants to Ireland,
according to the country's deputy PM.]

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[Zizu]

BBC News Text:
[The paper's main story is about the
recently passed Rwanda bill.
It says the threat of being deported
to the East African country is causing
an influx of migrants to Ireland,
according to the country's deputy PM.]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/364F/production/_133230931_telegraph_page-0001.jpg.webp


Then they will come to England from there no doubt


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[arista]

Then they will come to England from there no doubt




No, the point is
in Ireland, they cannot be sent to Rwanda.


So at this time
until a General Election
Rwanda is Legal.


Also many current illegal migrants
have been sent a letter
saying they may be sent.
It had all languages on the Government letter.

(They were shown on a Newsnight Report
last week)

[arista]

Pointed out also
there is no Border from Northern Ireland
to Ireland.

So no wonder they pop over to Northern Ireland
to sneak into troubled housing in Ireland

[arista]

Good on the
Irish GBnews Reporter in Newtownmountkennedy
has a report of Illegal Migrants
will be housed in tents on a field.



https://www.gbnews.com/media-library/protesters-take-part-in-the-ireland-says-no-anti-refugee-gathering.jpg?id=52100072&width=945&quality=90

[arista]

Labour MP Wes Streeting MP

Confirmed on Trevor Phillips
that any illegal migrants sent to Rwanda
sent there by the Conservatives
will Not be brought back to the UK.
When they take over
and cancel it.

[bots]

labour wont cancel it, they wanted to do exactly the same when Blair/Brown were in power

[joeysteele]

Labour better cancel it or there'll be uproar from the membership.
Rwanda is one of the last places I'd expect anyone to go to if they didn't want to.

[thesheriff443]

Labour better cancel it or there'll be uproar from the membership.
Rwanda is one of the last places I'd expect anyone to go to if they didn't want to.

Then the illegals should stay in their own country

[arista]

Labour wont cancel it, they wanted to do exactly the same when Blair/Brown were in power


But it's part
of his pledge of Starmer Election.

That he will cancel it.

[joeysteele]

Then the illegals should stay in their own country

Sorry but I see human beings as people not just numbers.

[joeysteele]

But it's part
of his pledge of Starmer Election.

That he will cancel it.

Yes it will be likely it is
Plus he'll be made to stick to it if he tried not to, however I think he will stand by it.

[bots]

Labour better cancel it or there'll be uproar from the membership.
Rwanda is one of the last places I'd expect anyone to go to if they didn't want to.

we all know how these things go. Something any government did that was perceived as unpopular is kept by the incoming government with a .... "we will get right on it" promise that never happens

[thesheriff443]

Sorry but I see human beings as people not just numbers.

That’s a politician’s answer so don’t be surprised or offended when I say it means nothing to me and most

I’m part of the human race but you have to be some kind of moron not to see that the vast majority of these immigrants have no right of I be in this country and actually do harm to genuine humans seeking refuge

If you are not prepared to give up your place in this country for a random bloke on the boat don’t come out with the human aspect

These people would have you believe they have nothing but have 10 grand each to pay the smugglers, we’re did that money come from


Show me the adverage uk resident that has any prospect of having ten grand in cash

Wake up joey , there will be blood on the streets of this country soon because enough is enough

[joeysteele]

That’s a politician’s answer so don’t be surprised or offended when I say it means nothing to me and most

I’m part of the human race but you have to be some kind of moron not to see that the vast majority of these immigrants have no right of I be in this country and actually do harm to genuine humans seeking refuge

If you are not prepared to give up your place in this country for a random bloke on the boat don’t come out with the human aspect

These people would have you believe they have nothing but have 10 grand each to pay the smugglers, we’re did that money come from


Show me the adverage uk resident that has any prospect of having ten grand in cash

Wake up joey , there will be blood on the streets of this country soon because enough is enough


No sorry again, it's just how I think and feel as to people.

I'll hold to my thinking and feelings and won't fall in with those in power who use people's lives like this to create further division.

I agree with stopping the boat crossings totally but I do not, and never will agree with the forced sending of other human beings to Rwanda of all places.
That's the part I cannot agree with.
Never will, I think it's plainly wrong.
Rightly or wrongly that's my personal view.

[Crimson Dynamo]

No sorry again, it's just how I think and feel as to people.

I'll hold to my thinking and feelings and won't fall in with those in power who use people's lives like this to create further division.

I agree with stopping the boat crossings totally but I do not, and never will agree with the forced sending of other human beings to Rwanda of all places.
That's the part I cannot agree with.
Never will, I think it's plainly wrong.
Rightly or wrongly that's my personal view.

YOu do realise that for the last 5 years Arsenal have "visit Rwanda" on their shirts and all around the ground?

Its not North Korea, its a nice place to go - a tourist destination

"forced sending of other human beings to Rwanda of all places."

that is racist

[joeysteele]

YOu do realise that for the last 5 years Arsenal have "visit Rwanda" on their shirts and all around the ground?

Its not North Korea, its a nice place to go - a tourist destination

"forced sending of other human beings to Rwanda of all places."

that is racist

No it's not and don't infer the racist card to me please
That's grossly insulting.

Rwanda of all places is meant in the context of distance of where it is, nothing else.
Although HOWEVER there are rights that should be in place there for people, which are not too.

Just kindly cut out the racist accusations.
I will not tolerate that personal insulting and false accusation.

I was discussing the issue with sheriff.
He obviously thinks different to me but I will respect his views which are his.
Someday I may even be persuaded by his point of view
He didn't set out to personally insult he just made strongly his view.

[Crimson Dynamo]

No it's not and don't infer the racist card to me please
That's grossly insulting.

Rwanda of all places is meant in the context of distance of where it is, nothing else.
Although HOWEVER there are rights that should be in place there for people, which are not too.

Just kindly cut out the racist accusations.
I will not tolerate that personal insulting and false accusation.

I was discussing the issue with sheriff.
He obviously thinks different to me but I will respect his views which are his.
Someday I may even be persuaded by his point of view
He didn't set out to personally insult he just made strongly his view.


you seem to think there is something wrong with Rwanda

why exactly?

[joeysteele]

you seem to think there is something wrong with Rwanda

why exactly?

As I said It is more about distance than anything else
I'd feel the same about Australia actually for the same reason.

It's not somewhere I'd like to be forced to go to myself.
Although I can take sheriff's point of the problems here from the boat crossings etc
He has expressed fears for in the UK and that's a strong point from him.

I think Rwanda has some way to go yet on certain rights for individuals.
Plus I still hold to the legal system in the UK, where the high court declared Rwanda not a safe country.
Now IF the courts decided enough change had been made so that it now was.
Then I'd more accept that.
Over a government just declaring it is to suit it's own purpose.

Nothing against Rwandans, it's just I don't think it is the place which should have been negotiated with on this issue at the present time.

Plus however, I myself don't see how this Rwanda policy will be a really successful deterrent.
We will see when and if it gets going.
Then possibly I'll be shown to be more wrong or right depending on how it does develop.

[Nicky91]

nothing wrong with peaceful country Rwanda, no problems ever there


rather shipping them off to that country than them infecting our western europe

[Crimson Dynamo]

"European politicians, who were quick to denounce Britain’s Rwanda proposals,
are warming to the idea of offshore migrant processing centres & deals with
third countries". Denmark, Germany, Italy, among others ...

https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1784869561017184350

[Niamh.]

I haven't really been following this but can I ask a stupid question? Why is Rwanda ok with taking in all of the migrants/refugees?

[Crimson Dynamo]

I haven't really been following this but can I ask a stupid question? Why is Rwanda ok with taking in all of the migrants/refugees?

dolla bills

[Niamh.]

dolla bills

Ah ok

[Crimson Dynamo]

Ah ok

"In return, the UK is providing £370 million in development funding to Rwanda,
plus another £120 million once 300 people have been relocated. The UK will
also pay up to £171,000 per person relocated, largely to cover a five-year
integration package. To date, £240 million has been paid over."

[bots]

i think people think genocide when anyone mentions Rwanda, i know i do

[Crimson Dynamo]

i think people think genocide when anyone mentions Rwanda, i know i do

I think Arsenal :laugh:

[user104658]

"In return, the UK is providing £370 million in development funding to Rwanda,
plus another £120 million once 300 people have been relocated. The UK will
also pay up to £171,000 per person relocated, largely to cover a five-year
integration package. To date, £240 million has been paid over."

Really it puts to bed the oft-made argument that the reason British people "on't want immigrants here!" is the cost in benefits. People are happy enough for 6-figure sums to be spent per person so long as it's spend on removing them rather than letting them stay in the UK.

[Beso]

Really it puts to bed the oft-made argument that the reason British people "on't want immigrants here!" is the cost in benefits. People are happy enough for 6-figure sums to be spent per person so long as it's spend on removing them rather than letting them stay in the UK.

Small price to pay for the safety of communities.

[user104658]

Small price to pay for the safety of communities.

Sure, so long as we can send away all of our own UK brand home-grown drunks, wife beaters and paedos as well.

But LT will be awful lonely at the football.

[Beso]

Sure, so long as we can send away all of our own UK brand home-grown drunks, wife beaters and paedos as well.

But LT will be awful lonely at the football.


But dont class all muslims the same, whatever you do!

[user104658]

But dont class all muslims the same, whatever you do!

You're like 90% of the way to the point there Parmy. One more little push...

[Crimson Dynamo]

PM: No interest in doing asylum returns deal with Dublin

Rishi Sunak said he is “not interested” in pursuing a deal with Dublin on returning asylum seekers from Ireland to the UK.

The Prime Minister told ITV News: “We’re not interested in that. We’re not going to accept returns from the EU via Ireland when the EU doesn’t accept returns back to France where illegal migrants are coming from.

“Of course we’re not going to do that.”

Asked whether there were any negotiations with the EU on returns, he said: “No, I’m focused on getting our Rwanda scheme up and running.”

[arista]

Yes Ch4HDnews
have their Irish Reporter there.

Showing the Illegal Migrants
sleeping on the Dublin streets

They showed the New Irish Leader in
his parliament claiming he can return them?

Nothing like what UK PM Sunak is saying.

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-e8cb3ab1-51d0-4c0f-9eab-3ca6b93a24ee.jpeg

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-d7025493-8de4-4c20-96cb-09a7f0226b21.jpeg

[arista]

Labour has confirmed,
for the first 100 days
they will not get rid of the Rwanda Deal.

Ref: ITV1HD Peston.

[Zizu]

Labour has confirmed,
for the first 100 days
they will not get rid of the Rwanda Deal.

Ref: ITV1HD Peston.


Labour have apparently confirmed that immigrants coming over in small boats will be allowed straight into the immigration system when they are in power later this year !?!


WTF !!!??


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[bots]

they are entered into the immigration system when they arrive in the UK now, so that doesn't change.

People are immigrants when they arrive and have internationally agreed rights that the UK signed up to

[Zizu]

they are entered into the immigration system when they arrive in the UK now, so that doesn't change.

People are immigrants when they arrive and have internationally agreed rights that the UK signed up to


Ahhhh


It just sounded like they were gonna need more ‘accommodating’ from the get-go


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[Crimson Dynamo]

710 illegal economic military-age migrants arrived by boat today

highest this year

[Zizu]

710 illegal economic military-age migrants arrived by boat today

highest this year


Presumably not a girlfriend/ wife or child in sight …


I wonder how long it will be before the country simply bursts or turns into 94,060 square miles of warfare ?

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[arista]

SkyNewsHD
interviewed a Muslim Lady, an Illegal Migrant
she showed the message on her Mobile Phone
from the Government confirming
she is booked for Rwanda flight soon,
she was crying,

The Reporter asked her would,
she have come to
the UK if she knew it meant going to Rwanda
she said NO

[arista]

In order to get
this through,
the Government is now allowing
Healthcare charges in Rwanda
to be paid by taxpayers funds.


So when they arrive in Rwanda
they can get a free dentist.

[user104658]

In order to get
this through,
the Government is now allowing
Healthcare charges in Rwanda
to be paid by taxpayers funds.


So when they arrive in Rwanda
they can get a free dentist.

So they can get all of the things they would get here, paid for by the same money, so long as they don't do it ... here. The motivations are so thinly-veiled :joker:. But I think people would be all for it even if it was going to cost double.

"We're going to build them all 3-bed semis and give them all cars and free driving lessons. There will be a Tesco on every corner, and food will be free! There will be leisure complexes for them all to use whenever they like... it's actually a utopia... cost? Oh yes it's costing an absolute fortune!"

"Where will it be?"

"Somewhere overseas, they won't be able to enter the UK"

"YES perfect let's do it"

[arista]

Money is not the issue
Conservatives want the First Flight to leave
in a month.

So fast changes will come in.

[user104658]

Money is not the issue

Yes I know it's cos they're brown arista.

[Crimson Dynamo]

yes i know it's cos they're brown arista.

its because they are illegal and not wanted

[user104658]

its because they are illegal and not wanted

Would you "want" a legal Middle Eastern immigrant over and above, let's say, a US citizen (we'll say one lacking melanin, for argument's sake) whose Visa has expired but they've chosen to stay anyway?

If not then it has absolutely nowt to do with legality. "Not wanted", certainly.

[arista]

Yes many Asians
have now been given a Text
saying the will go to Rwanda

[Oliver_W]

PM: No interest in doing asylum returns deal with Dublin

Rishi Sunak said he is “not interested” in pursuing a deal with Dublin on returning asylum seekers from Ireland to the UK.

The Prime Minister told ITV News: “We’re not interested in that. We’re not going to accept returns from the EU via Ireland when the EU doesn’t accept returns back to France where illegal migrants are coming from.

“Of course we’re not going to do that.”

Asked whether there were any negotiations with the EU on returns, he said: “No, I’m focused on getting our Rwanda scheme up and running.”

The migrants fleeing to Ireland shows that the Rwanda scheme might be at least somewhat effective as a deterrent, no?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Would you "want" a legal Middle Eastern immigrant over and above, let's say, a US citizen (we'll say one lacking melanin, for argument's sake) whose Visa has expired but they've chosen to stay anyway?

If not then it has absolutely nowt to do with legality. "Not wanted", certainly.

what on earth are you on about TS

stop trying to be "down with the kids" and embrace reality


go buy a keffiyeh from Amazon and pitch your tent on Glasgow green ffs

:joker:

[arista]

[First Flight to Rwanda
will only go if Sunak wins

Booked for the 5th of July

Ref: Politics Live BBC2HD]


Looks like it is now dead

[joeysteele]

[First Flight to Rwanda
will only go if Sunak wins

Booked for the 5th of July

Ref: Politics Live BBC2HD]


Looks like it is now dead

This has to be possibly totally deceitful and nonsense from Sunak.

He couldn't have this set up now with an election where the Parties are divided on
LABOUR against it, the CONS for it.

How convenient to say it's set for the day AFTER voting.

If this was true and all was ready for it to take off.
Then he should have called the election for July 11th or 18th.
To prove this to be correct.

His probable arrogance of deceit to the voters really has no limitations for Sunak.
Surely voters will see through this completely.
Surely.

[Beso]

Yes I know it's cos they're brown arista.

That's bloody racist and ignorant..what a clown of a statement to make.

[user104658]

Presumably not a girlfriend/ wife or child in sight …


I wonder how long it will be before the country simply bursts or turns into 94,060 square miles of warfare ?

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If the same number arrived every day for the next 10 years, the new arrivals would make up less than 3% of the population of the UK.

Don't be alarmist.

[user104658]

That's bloody racist and ignorant..what a clown of a statement to make.

Its racist to call out racism? Well that's a brand new gotcha. A real head scratcher. A paradox, even.

[user104658]

what on earth are you on about TS

stop trying to be "down with the kids" and embrace reality

:joker:

What's the reality LT? You do an awful lot of alluding to it and not much... Well... Actually just saying what you mean. It's a bit underfoot isn't it. A bit weasly.

[Beso]

Its racist to call out racism? Well that's a brand new gotcha. A real head scratcher. A paradox, even.

Are they all brown? Or is that just sll you see...

And your maths is dreadfull as well.

[user104658]

Are they all brown? Or is that just sll you see...

And your maths is dreadfull as well.

That's all the person I was referring to sees (or considers to be relevant) in my opinion, based on years of experience of that person's views in posts. You'll note that he hasn't denied it, and instead told me to "embrace reality". We'll have to wait to find out what "reality" that is I suppose. I think I know. But to assume makes an ass melt of me and LT, as they say.

[user104658]

Also my maths isn't terrible, I used an approximation of 350 for days in a year and 700 for the number of people to do it quickly in my head, but here's the actual maths if you really want it.

710 (people) x 365 (days) = 259150

X 10 (years) = 2,591,500 people (in 10 years)

2,591,500 / 67,000,000 (population of UK currently) = 0.38

X 100 = 3.8% increase in population in 10 years.

So it's less than 4% rather than less than 3% due to rounding error. Not a meaningful difference in terms of my point. Zizu still has civil war breaking out over a 3.8% demographic shift in 10 years.

Thankyou for checking my homework though Parmy I've learned a valuable lesson about rounding & laziness.

[Beso]

By my calculations your figure would have the pop at 82 million...

Which to be fair is probably what it will be in ten years, once the toddler girls are married off and pregnant.. you also fail to take into account the muslim population we already have that this ten year influx of muslim immigrants will be adding to, so my calculations make it nearer 11 percent, and rising fast.

[Beso]

That's all the person I was referring to sees (or considers to be relevant) in my opinion, based on years of experience of that person's views in posts. You'll note that he hasn't denied it, and instead told me to "embrace reality". We'll have to wait to find out what "reality" that is I suppose. I think I know. But to assume makes an ass melt of me and LT, as they say.



Self flatulation overload.

I found your comment racist and thick.also lazy in a way for lumping all immigrants and refugees in the brown bracket to try and prove a silly point..

[user104658]

Self flatulation overload.

I found your comment racist and thick.also lazy in a way for lumping all immigrants and refugees in the brown bracket to try and prove a silly point..

You didn't understand my point Parmy or perhaps didn't even read it? I specifically pointed out that not all immigrants are non-white, and was commenting on the simple fact that LT isn't concerned with the white ones. He claims he wants the govt to crack down on immigration but in fact it's only certain immigrants he wants "cracked down on". That was my whole point.

[Beso]

You didn't understand my point Parmy or perhaps didn't even read it? I specifically pointed out that not all immigrants are non-white, and was commenting on the simple fact that LT isn't concerned with the white ones. He claims he wants the govt to crack down on immigration but in fact it's only certain immigrants he wants "cracked down on". That was my whole point.



Oh, the old I'm saying racist things, to prove my view on someone else, stance.. doesn't work on me. Sorry.