Norfolk village 4 Dead found in a house

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/01/19/14/80224059-0-image-m-19_1705672928901.jpg


[Bodies of Four people 'known to one another'
are found at house in Norfolk village after
police forced entry to home
Police called to Allan Bedford Crescent in
Queen's Hills, Costessey at 7am
Four bodies found inside a property;
police working to formally identify them]

[Forensic investigations are being carried out
at the scene, where photographs show
a white and blue evidence tent erected
outside a property on the estate.
A resident said police were not allowing locals
to leave their homes, BBC News reports.
They said: 'The road has been sealed off
with police tape and you can't get down there.

'I spoke with the officers at the cordon and they
said it was likely to be there for most of the
day but they would not tell me anything more than that.'
A 32-year-old man who lives on a neighbouring street
said he saw the cordon at around 8am.]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12983403/bodies-four-people-east-anglia-estate.html


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-norfolk-68032483

[Ammi]

…I know the village, this must be hugely distressing and shocking for the community there…very, very tragic…

[arista]

…I know the village, this must be hugely distressing and shocking for the community there…very, very tragic…


Is it Murder?

[The Slim Reaper]

Is it Murder?

Are you accusing Ammi?

[arista]

Are you accusing Ammi?

No

[The Slim Reaper]

No

Has she been completely ruled out as a suspect at this time?

[arista]

Not a suspect, of course.

[arista]

2 Young Girls.
A 45 year old man
A 36 year old woman.
All dead.

Police have Confirmed

[bots]

sounds like murder suicide

[Gusto Brunt]

Horrific.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/01/19/18/80234551-0-image-a-8_1705688951094.jpg



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12983921/norwich-newbuild-estate-Costessey-family-bodies-found.html

[arista]

sounds like murder suicide






Yes could be sadly true

[Ammi]

…apparently the father and girls were the ones who permanently lived at the property, the mother was the one visiting…

[arista]

Police have said the Woman
was just visiting.

[Ammi]

…yeah, the girls lived with their father at the address and their mother was visiting is what has been reported…it’s also reported that there was a missing persons report from the property on 14 December…I don’t know if that was the mother who was reported missing…?…

[Cherie]

I feel like the mother has moved out to get some space and has then gone back possible to talk about moving back in but with the Dad moving out and he has gone nuts, again, how can 3 people be killed in such a close community and nobody hears a thing surely there was screaming or shouting

[Ammi]

….hmmmm, the female victim is not confirmed to be the mother of the children…one of the reports has suggested that it’s their aunt…/…the sister of their mother…I’m not sure if that was who was visiting or if the children’s mother was visiting….

[Ammi]

….I can’t imagine the world’s of the loved ones atm…. just completely broken having lost 4 family members and in violent circumstances…

[Cherie]

….hmmmm, the female victim is not confirmed to be the mother of the children…one of the reports has suggested that it’s their aunt…/…the sister of their mother…I’m not sure if that was who was visiting or if the children’s mother was visiting….

Oh I had not read that, the mother has not made a statement though which would be a little odd I think

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/01/20/15/80255645-0-image-m-26_1705763494057.jpg

[arista]

[Norwich deaths: Police IGNORED 999 call made
by man at home where engineer and his
two young daughters,
aged 12 and seven, were found
dead an hour
later along with woman]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12986483/norwich-deaths-latest-norfolk-police-call-father-daughters.html

[Cherie]

for goodness sake, what do police attend these days because if they cant respond to a 999 there is no hope at all

[bots]

it just never ends with the police

[arista]

for goodness sake, what do police attend these days because if they cant respond to a 999 there is no hope at all


All Officers at that time
were dealing with other Crimes.


Too much these days
can be the luck of the draw.
Good Cherie

[Cherie]

All Officers at that time
were dealing with other Crimes.


Too much these days
can be the luck of the draw.
Good Cherie

sure...but what did he say on the 999 call .... that made them think...aw this is no issue...they had staff an hour later to attend...strange

[bots]

I don't believe for a moment that all resources were busy. By definition, that means that they didn't have or couldn't call upon a single police officer in the entire force to attend, which is obviously complete nonsense

[arista]

We will find out
as the 999 call is being sent to to watchdog, as well.

[Ammi]

…still no naming of the female victim so I’m presuming that her family/next of kin haven’t yet been informed…this is just so concerning and scary because the health service/mental health services are stretched and struggling also…


It remains unclear what the nature of the 999 call was.



Last June Norfolk police announced plans for a new policy - to come into force by the end of the year - where officers would only attend emergency calls where a crime had been committed or where there is an immediate threat to life.

One in five 999 and 101 calls to police in Norfolk relate to people with mental health issues.

Under the scheme – known as Right Care, Right Person – police would continue to attend call-outs if there is a person at risk of serious harm.

But officers would not attend medical calls where a healthcare professional was more appropriate.

Responding at the time, Zoe Billingham, chairman of the Norfolk and Suffolk NHS Foundation Trust (NSFT), said: “It is absolutely right that people in mental health crises do need to be cared for in a health setting, but it has always been the job of the police to be the first responder.”

The IOPC investigation over the non-deployment is likely to centre on the nature and content of the 999 call and the decisions made in the police control room.



…the police make a decision not to attend but who does attend as first responders in crisis’, then…and how quickly is that response, if any…

[bots]

What they are doing is putting the decision on what incident deserves a response on the most junior qualified to assess it. It's so obvious whats going to happen here, some low paid soul is going to get the blame

[Ammi]

…blame in itself, though..is indicative of an incident already have taken place and then there is no question of police involvement…so what has been achieved, it’s a flawed policy from the off, isn’t it…the policies have surely always been about prevention because for any of those ‘decision makers’ and policy makers…the cost to the system’s resources would be far greater after the effect, which is what is being said…’once a crime is committed’…and in this case, four lives are no more…the system is broken and failing because public services don’t seem to be working together and also working on low staffing, is how it looks… hanged are what need to be looked at, not blame…as blame won’t change anything…

[arista]

The 999 Call was at 6AM

The Police arrived there after 7AM

[Ammi]

…with the recent tragic deaths of Kenneth and Bronson’s Battersby it was said that the healthcare/social services couldn’t access the home, police intervention was needed as the ones who had the authority to request access…but in this case a police force is saying that healthcare officials are the ‘appropriate and correct’ call out…when they can’t gain an access that could make a life or death difference to an outcome…?…

[Ammi]

The 999 Call was at 6AM

The Police arrived there after 7AM

…an emergency call that took one hour to attend…one hour in a crisis situation is enough time for four lives to be lost, as we see…but it’s the policy that’s flawed because there isn’t a focus on prevention so far as we’re seeing…

[arista]

…an emergency call that took one hour to attend…one hour in a crisis situation is enough time for four lives to be lost, as we see…but it’s the policy that’s flawed because there isn’t a focus on prevention so far as we’re seeing…


Yes The Evil Dad Killed his Children
the woman and himself.

[Cherie]

Yes The Evil Dad Killed his Children
the woman and himself.

A concerned neighbour made the later call, so it seems to be it is possible all were alive when the first 999 call was made?

[arista]

A concerned neighbour made the later call, so it seems to be it is possible all were alive when the first 999 call was made?

Yes.


The Watchdog will look at that,

[Cherie]

Yes.


The Watchdog will look at that,

Bit late, its just a box ticking exercise referring themselves to the Watchdog.

Someone needs to take accountability and face consequences

[arista]

It's all they can do.

[Cherie]

It's all they can do.


its too easy...ooops! over to the watchdog...and we literally never hear the outcomes... or if we do the findings are so inane its hardly worth listening to

[bots]

there is obviously a fundamental problem with funding. The thing is, the huge vast majority would want emergency services that responds to critical incidents in a timely manner. Budget cuts are just not acceptable

[Cherie]

there is obviously a fundamental problem with funding. The thing is, the huge vast majority would want emergency services that responds to critical incidents in a timely manner. Budget cuts are just not acceptable

we pay a fair chunk through Council tax alone for Police and for Social Care both of which seem to be a never ending hole where money just disappears and nothing improves

[AnnieK]

Yes The Evil Dad Killed his Children
the woman and himself.

Has that been confirmed?

[rusticgal]

Reports on sky news says man and woman both had stab wounds to the neck…

[Ammi]

…yeah, the female victim died of stab wounds to the neck, indicating more than one wound…the father was described as ‘a stab wound’…a single wound…?….the post mortem of the children won’t be until Wednesday as they haven’t been formally identified atm…

[GiRTh]

Its baffling. We need more evidence.

Four in a house., All dead. No survivors. Its one hell of a case.

[Zizu]

Has to be another case of a crazy , estranged bloke snapping and taking everyone with him


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[rusticgal]

Well they haven’t indicated they are looking for anyone else….

[arista]

The Evil Dad Stabbed them in their necks

Then killed himself.


Ch5HDnews

[arista]

Has that been confirmed?


Yes today by the Police Report

[Ammi]

…it hasn’t been confirmed that the children died in the same way…some reports are saying that two out of four of the family had stab wounds…which would be the father and female family member…

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/01/22/17/80318525-0-image-m-27_1705945273452.jpg

[arista]

[Woman, 36, who was found dead with stab wounds
next to body of a father and his two daughters, 7 and 12,
is the children's aunt who was visiting
from Thailand to stay with her sister's family]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12992435/Woman-36-dead-stab-wounds-body-father-two-daughters-7-12-childrens-aunt-visiting-Thailand-stay-sisters-family.html

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/01/22/16/80316419-12992435-image-a-58_1705941730132.jpg

[Cherie]

The case gets stranger, where is the girls Mum


The Head of Norfolk police has just been skewered by ITV Anglia as to why they didn't respond to the first 999 call

He cant talk about it of course

[arista]

But One Evil Killer
the Dad.

[Ammi]

’ The girls' mother works at the nearby Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital and is understood to have been at work when the bodies were found.’


https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2024-01-23/woman-found-dead-alongside-children-and-dad-was-girls-aunt

[arista]

’ The girls' mother works at the nearby Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital and is understood to have been at work when the bodies were found.’


https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2024-01-23/woman-found-dead-alongside-children-and-dad-was-girls-aunt


Lucky Escape

[Niamh.]

But One Evil Killer
the Dad.

Do you know that for sure? I can't imagine him stabbing himself in the neck

[arista]

Do you know that for sure? I can't imagine him stabbing himself in the neck

He went Crazy

Evil Dad

[bots]

Arista, you are making your own story and telling it like it is fact

[Ammi]

…sadly I think that Arista is probably correct…the police aren’t looking to question anyone else and the post-mortem won’t be carried out until tomorrow on the children but the police have confirmed ‘injuries’ were inflicted …the father was scheduled for a psyche evaluation a few weeks before but didn’t attend and left the hospital without any mental health assessment…that was mid December, just after he was reported as a missing person….its all very tragic….

[Ammi]

…the sad irony is that the Nofolk Police have adopted a scheme and policy of ‘Right Care for Right Person’ in the hope to give appropriate trained care for those with struggling mental health issues…

[Niamh.]

That's awful. Stories like this are just horrendous when they could have been prevented with better care and mental health issues like this being taken more seriously

[arista]

Arista, you are making your own story and telling it like it is fact


The Other Visitor
or the 2 young girls
are hardly likely to be Killers


That Dad was Evil.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/01/19/18/80234107-12983921-image-m-4_1705688147017.jpg

[arista]

[Father's chilling 999 call to police
who ignored plea for help before he
was found dead at semi-detached
Norwich home with his two daughters
and sister-in-law is revealed]


[The details of this call have now been
revealed by the police watchdog.
It said: 'During that call the man expressed
concerns for his own mental state
saying he was confused.
He was advised to seek medical advice
and police did not attend.

'At around 7am the force received
a call from a dog walker concerned for
the welfare of those within the home.
Officers attended shortly after and,
tragically, found the man, a woman and
two children dead.']

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12996885/Fathers-chilling-999-call-police-ignored-plea-help-dead-semi-detached-Norwich-home-two-daughters-sister-law-revealed.html

[Niamh.]

[Father's chilling 999 call to police
who ignored plea for help before he
was found dead at semi-detached
Norwich home with his two daughters
and sister-in-law is revealed]


[The details of this call have now been
revealed by the police watchdog.
It said: 'During that call the man expressed
concerns for his own mental state
saying he was confused.
He was advised to seek medical advice
and police did not attend.

'At around 7am the force received
a call from a dog walker concerned for
the welfare of those within the home.
Officers attended shortly after and,
tragically, found the man, a woman and
two children dead.']

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12996885/Fathers-chilling-999-call-police-ignored-plea-help-dead-semi-detached-Norwich-home-two-daughters-sister-law-revealed.html

tbf Arista, I don't think the guy was evil, he was obviously extremely mentally unwell and tried to get help, this could have been prevented if someone had taken him seriously. Those poor little girls though, their mother is never going to get over this either. Horrible story all round

[bots]

Someone at the 999 call centre probably had a tick list and the guy didn't trigger enough ticks during the call to justify a visit

[arista]

tbf Arista, I don't think the guy was evil, he was obviously extremely mentally unwell and tried to get help, this could have been prevented if someone had taken him seriously. Those poor little girls though, their mother is never going to get over this either. Horrible story all round

Evil & Mentally Disturbed then

[Ammi]

Police have today confirmed that two girls discovered alongside the bodies of a man and woman at a house in Costessey died of knife wounds.
A Home Office post-mortem examination carried out earlier today, Wednesday 24 January, found the cause of death for both girls was knife wounds to the neck.

This follows the discovery of four bodies by police, provisionally named as Bartlomiej Kuczynski, 45, Kanticha Sukpengpanao, 36, Jasmin Kuczynska , aged 12 and Natasha Kuczynska, aged eight, subject to formal identification taking place and confirmation at formal inquest proceedings.

All four bodies were discovered by police officers at a house in Allan Bedford Crescent on Friday 19 January following a call from a member of the public that morning.

Previous Home Office post-mortem examinations were carried out on Sunday 21 January and established the woman died as a result of stab wounds to the neck while the man died as a result of a stab wound to the neck.

Following the cause of deaths being established, detectives have confirmed that the deaths of Kanticha, Jasmin and Natasha are being treated as murder. The death of Bartlomiej is not being treated as suspicious and officers are not looking for anyone else in connection with the deaths. Detectives will continue with their enquiries for the coronial process.

Detective Chief Inspector Chris Burgess, who is leading the investigation, said: “We understand how incredibly shocking this incident is for all involved and for the wider community and that this latest update adds to the sense of heartbreak. Our thoughts are with the family of the those found at the property grieving such a traumatic loss.


https://www.norfolk.police.uk/news/norfolk/news/news/2024/january/police-confirm-cause-of-deaths--costessey-update/

[Zizu]

Police have today confirmed that two girls discovered alongside the bodies of a man and woman at a house in Costessey died of knife wounds.
A Home Office post-mortem examination carried out earlier today, Wednesday 24 January, found the cause of death for both girls was knife wounds to the neck.

This follows the discovery of four bodies by police, provisionally named as Bartlomiej Kuczynski, 45, Kanticha Sukpengpanao, 36, Jasmin Kuczynska , aged 12 and Natasha Kuczynska, aged eight, subject to formal identification taking place and confirmation at formal inquest proceedings.

All four bodies were discovered by police officers at a house in Allan Bedford Crescent on Friday 19 January following a call from a member of the public that morning.

Previous Home Office post-mortem examinations were carried out on Sunday 21 January and established the woman died as a result of stab wounds to the neck while the man died as a result of a stab wound to the neck.

Following the cause of deaths being established, detectives have confirmed that the deaths of Kanticha, Jasmin and Natasha are being treated as murder. The death of Bartlomiej is not being treated as suspicious and officers are not looking for anyone else in connection with the deaths. Detectives will continue with their enquiries for the coronial process.

Detective Chief Inspector Chris Burgess, who is leading the investigation, said: “We understand how incredibly shocking this incident is for all involved and for the wider community and that this latest update adds to the sense of heartbreak. Our thoughts are with the family of the those found at the property grieving such a traumatic loss.


https://www.norfolk.police.uk/news/norfolk/news/news/2024/january/police-confirm-cause-of-deaths--costessey-update/


Not following this case closely

Was the woman the mother of the two girls ?


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[rusticgal]

Not following this case closely

Was the woman the mother of the two girls ?


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No the mothers sister….

[Zizu]

No the mothers sister….


Ahh


Maybe he has sooo much pent up hatred for the mum (his ex presumably) that he took the lives of everyone who meant everything to her ?

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[Cherie]

[Father's chilling 999 call to police
who ignored plea for help before he
was found dead at semi-detached
Norwich home with his two daughters
and sister-in-law is revealed]


[The details of this call have now been
revealed by the police watchdog.
It said: 'During that call the man expressed
concerns for his own mental state
saying he was confused.
He was advised to seek medical advice
and police did not attend.

'At around 7am the force received
a call from a dog walker concerned for
the welfare of those within the home.
Officers attended shortly after and,
tragically, found the man, a woman and
two children dead.']

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12996885/Fathers-chilling-999-call-police-ignored-plea-help-dead-semi-detached-Norwich-home-two-daughters-sister-law-revealed.html

tbh this throws a different light on things, if all he said was he was in a confused state and did not mention that he felt like killing anyone you can see why the police did not attend? there should be some referral onto mental health services though rather than asking the caller to do that, like if they had patched him through to the Samaritans maybe the outcome might have been different

[Mystic Mock]

tbf Arista, I don't think the guy was evil, he was obviously extremely mentally unwell and tried to get help, this could have been prevented if someone had taken him seriously. Those poor little girls though, their mother is never going to get over this either. Horrible story all round

This.

It's tragic all round imo.

And that's twice now that I've heard of Police ignoring calls for help, as Baby Bronson also died due to Police incompetence.

Don't get me wrong I don't want them being too forceful in society, but doing the basics of what a Police Officer should be is essential to any functioning society.

But I forgot an Autistic person saying that someone looks like a Lesbian is far more important to the UK Police, even though no laws were actually broken in that case.

[Ammi]

Coroner weeps at opening of inquests into Norfolk stabbing deaths…


A coroner wept as she opened inquests into the deaths of four members of the same family who were found stabbed to death at a house in Norfolk.

Samantha Goward became emotional as she read a statement describing how eight-year-old Natasha Kuczynska had died from stab wounds to the neck at her home in Costessey, near Norwich.

Ms Goward apologised before wiping away tears as she continued with the inquest opening at Norfolk Coroners’ Court, in Norwich, on Wednesday.

She opened the inquest into Natasha before opening separate hearings into the deaths of Natasha’s 12-year-old sister Jasmin, their father Bartlomiej Kuczynski, 45, and their 36-year-old aunt Kanticha Sukpengpanao, who was visiting from her home in Thailand.

…full article…
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coroner-weeps-she-describes-death-160000869.html