The BIG debate that nobody will talk about .. women commentators / pundits in men’s f

[Zizu]

There’s an ongoing furore online ( X Twitter ) around this delicate topic yet the tv channels or radio stations are keeping silent .

Anyone prepared to air their views !?

My stance is that I hate listening to women commentating on men’s games and the same applies to the female pundits in the studio


There are hundreds of women’s games on telly now ( with no male commentators) so now there is plenty of work available in their game


The male commentators/pundits we are all used to seeing were all ex players who played their careers at the top level and we all grew up watching them .

Now whether you like them as people or not they all know what they are talking about - simply due to all the years of top level training / coaching and the experience that comes with that .


I used to positively detest Roy Keane and Gary Neville as players but they are my favourite pundits now simply because they are qualified to speak and criticise and more importantly .. because I just KNOW for sure that they are qualified to offer an opinion.


We don’t know anything about these women and as such they get about the same amount of respect that any person ( male or female ) dragged off the corridor and put in front of the cameras would get .”

I don’t know what person male or female who likes this bludgeoning phenomenon of women ‘experts’ smothering our beautiful game


Rant over


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[joeysteele]

I never listen to commentary at all in sport.
By Men or Women.
I use the mute button, usually put music I like on and sit and enjoy the matches.

Not having to listen to the tripe spoken a lot of time in the commentating.

[The Slim Reaper]

You got any mother-in-law jokes, Zeez?

[Niamh.]

And don't even get him started on female boxers!

[Cherie]

If women have played football at the highest level I don't see the issue, it is the same game, it is not like there are different rules, and the women have won the Euros which is more than than the men have done? that said I didn't understand why there were no male pundits at the Womens world cup on UK TV at any rate, maybe it was different elsewhere

[Zizu]

And don't even get him started on female boxers!


So I’m getting criticised for CARING about the health and safety of woman in boxing !?



I don’t think they SHOULD be boxing or participating in MMA because women are built differently than guys .


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Research into other sports has shown female participants are more prone to concussion than men, raising questions as to whether safety and equality are compatible in boxing, and splitting opinion among respected figures.


"What we do know, from other sports, is that women have a higher rate of concussion than men. And this is not really understood.
"The studies are uniform - if you look at women's soccer, the concussion rates are nearly 2:1, so women playing soccer against other women produce a higher rate of concussion, per hour of participation, than men playing against men.
"We did a study where we looked at jockeys - we have lots of female jockeys, particularly in point-to-point racing. The women actually fall off less often than the men but when they hit the ground, they have nearly four times the rate of concussion. It was about 3.6:1 compared to the men and that was very interesting for us but very, very difficult to explain. It's the same right the way around the world."


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[Zizu]

If women have played football at the highest level I don't see the issue, it is the same game, it is not like there are different rules, and the women have won the Euros which is more than than the men have done? that said I didn't understand why there were no male pundits at the Womens world cup on UK TV at any rate, maybe it was different elsewhere


You can’t compare the top level of women’s football with the same level of men’s …


Plus my other gripe is that WE don’t know how good they were as we’ve never seen them play ..


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[Zizu]

You got any mother-in-law jokes, Zeez?


Guess you didn’t read my opening post ..


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[Zizu]

And don't even get him started on female boxers!


Nothing constructive to add to the thread conversation then …


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[bots]

if you are that bothered by a pundit/commentator then switch it off or mute the sound. No-one is forcing anyone to watch it

[Ammi]

So I’m getting criticised for CARING about the health and safety of woman in boxing !?



I don’t think they SHOULD be boxing or participating in MMA because women are built differently than guys .


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Research into other sports has shown female participants are more prone to concussion than men, raising questions as to whether safety and equality are compatible in boxing, and splitting opinion among respected figures.


"What we do know, from other sports, is that women have a higher rate of concussion than men. And this is not really understood.
"The studies are uniform - if you look at women's soccer, the concussion rates are nearly 2:1, so women playing soccer against other women produce a higher rate of concussion, per hour of participation, than men playing against men.
"We did a study where we looked at jockeys - we have lots of female jockeys, particularly in point-to-point racing. The women actually fall off less often than the men but when they hit the ground, they have nearly four times the rate of concussion. It was about 3.6:1 compared to the men and that was very interesting for us but very, very difficult to explain. It's the same right the way around the world."


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…to be fair though, that’s only part of an article and not a complete context…another part would be…


"It is disrespectful. Women are either boxers or they are not and therefore should be allowed to contest championship bouts over 12 three-minute rounds like the men. Anything less is sexist and fails to recognise the quality, commitment and hard work that women put into the sport."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/42344586#

[Zizu]

if you are that bothered by a pundit/commentator then switch it off or mute the sound. No-one is forcing anyone to watch it


I live for football why should I punish myself by switching off ?

Sadly I need the commentary on to help my focussing issues ..


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[Zizu]

…to be fair though, that’s only part of an article and not a complete context…another part would be…


"It is disrespectful. Women are either boxers or they are not and therefore should be allowed to contest championship bouts over 12 three-minute rounds like the men. Anything less is sexist and fails to recognise the quality, commitment and hard work that women put into the sport."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/42344586#


See the idea of 3 minute rounds is horrendous.. the extra minute each round reduces their punch resistance and makes knockouts FAR more likely .. further adding to the risk .


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[Ammi]

…I know that some have views on it …(…mainly because I’ve read them here from time to time…)…but I’m not sure that it is a big debate, let alone one that ‘nobody will talk about…’…I just don’t think it’s one that everyone has specific feelings about or opinions about, whether a commentator is male or female with any given sport/match/competition etc…

[Ammi]

See the idea of 3 minute rounds is horrendous.. the extra minute each round reduces their punch resistance and makes knockouts FAR more likely .. further adding to the risk .


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…the idea of any rounds of anyone receiving blows is pretty horrendous to me…but I know that’s a personal thing of not being drawn to that type of contact sport…it would make no difference to me though, if it was a male or female taking part…

[Zizu]

…I know that some have views on it …(…mainly because I’ve read them here from time to time…)…but I’m not sure that it is a big debate, let alone one that ‘nobody will talk about…’…I just don’t think it’s one that everyone has specific feelings about or opinions about, whether a commentator is male or female with any given sport/match/competition etc…


It’s a live topic online


I just think that most people are just scared of sharing an opinion.

I have given mine but also explained as best as I can my reasoning .


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[Zizu]

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it would make no difference to me though, if it was a male or female taking part…


Even after seeing the research I showed in my previous post ?



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Research into other sports has shown female participants are more prone to concussion than men, raising questions as to whether safety and equality are compatible in boxing, and splitting opinion among respected figures.


"What we do know, from other sports, is that women have a higher rate of concussion than men. And this is not really understood.
"The studies are uniform - if you look at women's soccer, the concussion rates are nearly 2:1, so women playing soccer against other women produce a higher rate of concussion, per hour of participation, than men playing against men.
"We did a study where we looked at jockeys - we have lots of female jockeys, particularly in point-to-point racing. The women actually fall off less often than the men but when they hit the ground, they have nearly four times the rate of concussion. It was about 3.6:1 compared to the men and that was very interesting for us but very, very difficult to explain. It's the same right the way around the world."


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[smudgie]

Equality for all.
Male or female, if they know the subject, whatever it is then go for it.

[Niamh.]

Nothing constructive to add to the thread conversation then …


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProJust pointing out your sexism in case anyone missed it :douf:

[Ammi]

…this is quite a nice article to read as well…

Why More Women Should Take Up Boxing Classes

Boxing classes are great for women because it brings a strong feeling of empowerment and confidence. Even today, every woman has experienced a time when they were overlooked or dismissed as not good enough, simply because of their gender. Boxing is a unique sport that embodies power, strength, grace and mental tactics. Boxing teaches mental toughness and provides an emotional catharsis for all its participants. Boxing has proven to decrease stress hormones and increase endorphins, helping to relieve stress and boost your overall mood. Particularly for women, it’s important to discover your full strength, and with that, confidence in what you can accomplish in this world. There are no excuses and no limitations in a boxing ring. For women, it can be a powerful and life-changing way to discover their inner strength and apply it in every aspect of life.

…the link to the full article…

https://mayweather.fit/blog/why-more-women-should-take-up-boxing-classes/#:~:text=Boxing%20classes%20are%20great%20for,stre ngth%2C%20grace%20and%20mental%20tactics.

[Zizu]

Boxing classes ( mainly for fitness) are excellent .

They don’t encourage shots to the head and many apparently wear headgear anyways


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[Ammi]

It’s a live topic online


I just think that most people are just scared of sharing an opinion.

I have given mine but also explained as best as I can my reasoning .


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…in my experience it’s not about being scared to share an opinion…why would be scared to, that wouldn’t make sense…it’s that there is no particular leaning toward either a male or female commentator based on gender…but more leaning towards personalities of just finding someone more fitting with your own commentary views, I guess…

[Zizu]

Just pointing out your sexism in case anyone missed it :douf:


I explained my reasoning clearly .. sexism doesn’t come into it ..

If they put some unknown guys on the panel then I would feel EXACTLY the same .. I thought I made that clear ?


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[The Slim Reaper]

Guess you didn’t read my opening post ..


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Which bit of nuance do you think I'm missing?

[Cherie]

Jose Mourinho never played football at a high level, he still knows his football, would agree with you if they dont know what they are talking about but do they, some male pundits dont know what they are talking about either even if they played at a high level, remember Alan Hansens 'you win nothing with kids comment'? I must admit I rarely listen to the pundits so I dont really know if the are good or not

[The Slim Reaper]

Complaining about any other person (male or female) commentating when Sam Matterface is employed, is ridiculous.

[Zizu]

Jose Mourinho never played football at a high level, he still knows his football, would agree with you if they dont know what they are talking about but do they, some male pundits dont know what they are talking about either even if they played at a high level, remember Alan Hansens 'you win nothing with kids comment'? I must admit I rarely listen to the pundits so I dont really know if the are good or not


To be fair to Hansen who was of the best players to play the game .. nobody expected that United team crammed with youngsters to be so successful so soon because nobody at that time realised how brilliant they were ..


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[Ammi]

…I’m going offline so I’ll leave this big debate that nobody will talk about…I do feel though that so much of the OP wasn’t conducive to opening up discussions on equal terms of respect…the language and terminology used in itself is just not good and quite diminishing of females, sadly…



We don’t know anything about these women and as such they get about the same amount of respect that any woman dragged off the corridor and put in front of the cameras would get .”

I don’t know what person male or female who likes this bludgeoning phenomenon of women ‘experts’ smothering our beautiful game


Rant over

[The Slim Reaper]

Apologies for Ammi's rant, zeez. You know how emotional these chicky babes get :smug:

[AnnieK]

Sexism at its finest.

Women ruining "our" beautiful game :laugh:

Women shouldn't be allowed to box.

Guess we should all just stay in the kitchen waiting for the hunter gatherers to get home?

If you don't want to listen to the girls commentating, mute the TV and find alternative commentary. Its not hard.

[Zizu]

I simply shared my opinion and also explained my reasoning..


I was hoping to get some reasonable conversation/debate on the topic

Apparently not …



The mods can shut this thread down if they like ..


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[Zizu]

Sexism at its finest.

Women ruining "our" beautiful game :laugh:

Women shouldn't be allowed to box.

Guess we should all just stay in the kitchen waiting for the hunter gatherers to get home?

If you don't want to listen to the girls commentating, mute the TV and find alternative commentary. Its not hard.


Annie .. I like you a lot

Have you really read my opening post and the reasoning ?

I’m not ignorantly blurting nonsense out for the sake of it .. like many blokes are doing

I’ve explained my thought process


Edit

I don’t like women fighting because they’re more at risk .. why criticise me for caring ?


If I had a grudge against women per se .. I’d be advocating women getting in the ring with flaming weapons ..


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[Zizu]

Which bit of nuance do you think I'm missing?


All the relevant parts


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[Swan]

No one and nothing is worse than Lee Dixon and/or Steve McManaman on commentary. Give me any woman in the world over those two!

However, there has been a massive influx of women doing commentary and punditry on men's football over the past 2 or 3 years and it's all because these companies want to show their political correctness. It's quantity, not quality and ticking all the right boxes for these major broadcasters. Most of the women shoehorned in really aren't that knowledgeable and saying some absolute ridiculous stuff. But the big "however" is that most of the men do too, and always have. Emma Hayes is someone who stands out for me, i like her a lot. And Kate Abdo as a presenter who i think is an excellent presenter. Not many blokes stand out for me really. I guess Carragher is alright, as much of a knob he's been in the past. Erm, yeah see i can't even think of male presenters and pundits who i care for tbh.

Women on men's football doesn't bother me. 95% of male and female pundits and commentators are meh.

[Swan]

I always liked JT as a pundit, but any spare time he has after coaching, he's probably out shagging other players wives, and in the bookies.

[bots]

i don't think anyone has explored the angle that having more women involved in sport in general, not just football, opens sport up to 50% of the population. It's a simple fact that having female involvement opens the sport up to being accessible and acceptable to women. 2 guys arguing about the size of their dicks as pundits, just doesn't cut it

[Zizu]

No one and nothing is worse than Lee Dixon and/or Steve McManaman on commentary. Give me any woman in the world over those two!

However, there has been a massive influx of women doing commentary and punditry on men's football over the past 2 or 3 years and it's all because these companies want to show their political correctness. It's quantity, not quality and ticking all the right boxes for these major broadcasters. Most of the women shoehorned in really aren't that knowledgeable and saying some absolute ridiculous stuff. But the big "however" is that most of the men do too, and always have. Emma Hayes is someone who stands out for me, i like her a lot. And Kate Abdo as a presenter who i think is an excellent presenter. Not many blokes stand out for me really. I guess Carragher is alright, as much of a knob he's been in the past. Erm, yeah see i can't even think of male presenters and pundits who i care for tbh.

Women on men's football doesn't bother me. 95% of male and female pundits and commentators are meh.


You’ve probably hit the nail on the head !

It’s quantity rather than quality !!

Sue Smith for example on Soccer Saturday seems very knowledgeable and makes more sense than Gabbie Agbonlahor or Jamie O’Hara .

Thing is those two guys are RARELY seen on our screens as they are useless..


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[Niamh.]

i don't think anyone has explored the angle that having more women involved in sport in general, not just football, opens sport up to 50% of the population. It's a simple fact that having female involvement opens the sport up to being accessible and acceptable to women. 2 guys arguing about the size of their dicks as pundits, just doesn't cut itClearly these types of men don't want it opened up to women though but you're spot on, great point

[AnnieK]

Annie .. I like you a lot

Have you really read my opening post and the reasoning ?

I’m not ignorantly blurting nonsense out for the sake of it .. like many blokes are doing

I’ve explained my thought process


Edit

I don’t like women fighting because they’re more at risk .. why criticise me for caring ?


If I had a grudge against women per se .. I’d be advocating women getting in the ring with flaming weapons ..


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I have read your opening post and have had this debate with you before. Women who have played the game have as much understanding of the game as the men. I honestly don't understand why you feel it is ruining the game when as others have mentioned Sam Mattaface is employed to commentate. :laugh:There are loads of men I dislike who commentate but i wouldn't accuse them of ruining our beautiful game.

My Dad rarely listens to TV commentary - he mutes the TV and listens to the radio commentary as he finds it better. I am sure there is something you can do so you can still enjoy the games where there are female commentators.

With regards to the boxing - anyone who gets hit in the head over and over runs the risk of concussion. The women who compete train for years in order to compete and will be fully aware of the risks :shrug:

[Zizu]

I have read your opening post and have had this debate with you before. Women who have played the game have as much understanding of the game as the men. I honestly don't understand why you feel it is ruining the game when as others have mentioned Sam Mattaface is employed to commentate. :laugh:There are loads of men I dislike who commentate but i wouldn't accuse them of ruining our beautiful game.

My Dad rarely listens to TV commentary - he mutes the TV and listens to the radio commentary as he finds it better. I am sure there is something you can do so you can still enjoy the games where there are female commentators.

With regards to the boxing - anyone who gets hit in the head over and over runs the risk of concussion. The women who compete train for years in order to compete and will be fully aware of the risks :shrug:


I did explain.. I simply don’t know how good they were as players or how qualified they are to comment .. the same principle applies to male or female


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[AnnieK]

I did explain.. I simply don’t know how good they were as players or how qualified they are to comment .. the same principle applies to male or female


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Then do some research on them.....:shrug:

What is your opinion on Sam Matterface? He hasn't played at premier level and so you don't know how qualified he is....yet I don't see threads on him ruining the game. The women have pretty much all played for prem league clubs and quite often for the national side so know the game

[The Slim Reaper]

Matterface is not very good, as others have pointed out.

[Zizu]

Then do some research on them.....:shrug:

What is your opinion on Sam Matterface? He hasn't played at premier level and so you don't know how qualified he is....yet I don't see threads on him ruining the game. The women have pretty much all played for prem league clubs and quite often for the national side so know the game


You seriously think you can tell how good someone was /is at football by checking on YouTube ?

That was the MAIN point I made .. I watched the current crop of pundits / commentators playing for 10 to 15 YEARS .. after all those years of top class football/ training and coaching they received- they all know what they’re talking about .


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[Zizu]

Matterface is not very good, as others have pointed out.



I wouldn’t take anything he said about the game seriously as I explained


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[AnnieK]

:laugh: why have you watched all the men in person? O4 have yiu watched them on Tv?

Karen Carney for example had a 18 year playing career.....including arsenal. Chelsea and England. I'd say she was pretty qualified and so your comment in the op where you said the women deserve the same respect as someone pulled off a corridor is pretty insulting to someone who dedicated 18 years of her life to the game.

Comments like that is why you feel you are getting attacked for sexism because that reeks of it I'm afraid

[Zizu]

:laugh: why have you watched all the men in person? O4 have yiu watched them on Tv?

Karen Carney for example had a 18 year playing career.....including arsenal. Chelsea and England. I'd say she was pretty qualified and so your comment in the op where you said the women deserve the same respect as someone pulled off a corridor is pretty insulting to someone who dedicated 18 years of her life to the game.

Comments like that is why you feel you are getting attacked for sexism because that reeks of it I'm afraid


I watched all the ex players on tv obviously ..

You simply can’t compare 10 years of watching them week after week on telly with a 5 minute clip on YouTube - playing at a far lower level !!

It doesn’t matter how much experience she’s had if I’ve never actually seen her play or know what the standard was ..

The ‘corridor’ comment was a throwaway remark that applies to males or females .

I think you are just being deliberately obtuse now ..tbh


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[AnnieK]

I watched all the ex players on tv obviously ..

You simply can’t compare 10 years of watching them week after week on telly with a 5 minute clip on YouTube !!

It doesn’t matter how much experience she’s had if I’ve never actually seen her play or know what the standard was ..

The ‘corridor’ comment was a throwaway remark that applies to males or females .

I think you are just being deliberately obtuse now ..tbh


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No I'm not being deliberately obtuse at all. I have a different opinion to you and you seem to struggle with that. Anyone who has had a different opinion in this thread you have accused of not reading the OP correctly.

Just because you haven't seen someone play does not mean they are not qualified to do a job they have been hired to do.

If you want a debate, you have to be open to other opinions. Your throwaway comments are pretty off, yet you accuse me of being obtuse???

As a female lifelong football fan (I knew the offside rule before I could walk as my Dad and brother are football mad, my Dad played then took his coaching badges and then refereed when older and my brother was at Man U academy with the class of 92 but was dropped) my whole life revolved around football. I think it's amazing that women are now more represented and other girls don't have to feel like a tomboy for loving the game

[Zizu]

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[Zizu]

No I'm not being deliberately obtuse at all. I have a different opinion to you and you seem to struggle with that. Anyone who has had a different opinion in this thread you have accused of not reading the OP correctly.

Just because you haven't seen someone play does not mean they are not qualified to do a job they have been hired to do.

If you want a debate, you have to be open to other opinions. Your throwaway comments are pretty off, yet you accuse me of being obtuse???

As a female lifelong football fan (I knew the offside rule before I could walk as my Dad and brother are football mad, my Dad played then took his coaching badges and then refereed when older and my brother was at Man U academy with the class of 92 but was dropped) my whole life revolved around football. I think it's amazing that women are now more represented and other girls don't have to feel like a tomboy for loving the game


The point is that many people feel the same a as I do .. the women pundits may well be qualified ( at a certain level) but I don’t know that for sure as I never saw them so I can’t take them seriously ..

If they wheeled in some ex male footballer that I didn’t know then I wouldn’t take him seriously either so It’s not gender thing .. if they had some bloke sat there who we’d never seen we wouldn’t take any notice of him either


It really is that simple


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[Zizu]

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[AnnieK]

Well I was hoping for some reasonable responses given I went into great detail explaining my reasoning .


I made a point of giving reasons so we could discuss the matter REASONABLY !!


I’m done

Just lock or delete the thread ..

I don’t honestly care


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You are not interested in hearing other people's opinions though.

I told you what my dad does when he doesn't like the commentators, he listens to commentary he likes. Many people enjoy the female commentary so if there are options surely that's the best so EVERYONE can enjoy the game??

[Zizu]

You are not interested in hearing other people's opinions though.

I told you what my dad does when he doesn't like the commentators, he listens to commentary he likes. Many people enjoy the female commentary so if there are options surely that's the best so EVERYONE can enjoy the game??


There is no way of getting a radio commentary that is perfectly synchronised to the tv picture .. can you imagine if it’s a second behind the play or a second ahead !

I am autistic and things have to be perfect


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[Zizu]

Well I was hoping for some reasonable responses given I went into great detail explaining my reasoning .


I made a point of giving reasons so we could discuss the matter REASONABLY !!


I’m done

Just lock or delete the thread ..

I don’t honestly care


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[AnnieK]

There is no way of getting a radio commentary that is perfectly synchronised to the tv picture .. can you imagine if it’s a second behind the play or a second ahead !

I am autistic and things have to be perfect


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My Dad rarely has a problem but he is quite deaf so probably misses half anyway but he can't stand certain commentators and pundits (he has a complete hatred of Robbie Davage so won't ever listen to him). He actually quite often watches one game on mute and listems to another game that isn't on TV too.

[Zizu]

My Dad rarely has a problem but he is quite deaf so probably misses half anyway but he can't stand certain commentators and pundits (he has a complete hatred of Robbie Davage so won't ever listen to him). He actually quite often watches one game on mute and listems to another game that isn't on TV too.


:)


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[Mystic Mock]

I actually like some of the women that have been drafted in as Pundits.

My main issue is why we're not seeing more men commentating on women's Football? Because it does stink of unfairness.

[Zizu]

I actually like some of the women that have been drafted in as Pundits.

My main issue is why we're not seeing more men commentating on women's Football? Because it does stink of unfairness.


Maybe because none of the known faces know the first thing about the women players or the women’s game in general.


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[Mystic Mock]

:laugh: why have you watched all the men in person? O4 have yiu watched them on Tv?

Karen Carney for example had a 18 year playing career.....including arsenal. Chelsea and England. I'd say she was pretty qualified and so your comment in the op where you said the women deserve the same respect as someone pulled off a corridor is pretty insulting to someone who dedicated 18 years of her life to the game.

Comments like that is why you feel you are getting attacked for sexism because that reeks of it I'm afraid

Karen Carney is one of the better female Pundits imo.

And she played for the Blues Women's team when it used to be one of the best in the country.

[Mystic Mock]

Maybe because none of the known faces know the first thing about the women players or the women’s game in general.


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That's a fair point.

I still want to see Roy Keane do Punditry on a women's Football match though.

[Niamh.]

Maybe because none of the known faces know the first thing about the women players or the women’s game in general.


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[Ammi]

…I can understand that thought process of ‘familiarity’ of watching man admired player through their career and then feeling that they have that experience to commentate on the sport…but that won’t always be the case that a great player would be a great commentator as they’re two different skill requirements…but also, there are many levels because football has always been one of those more male dominated sports …so the players that are ‘more familiar’ are going to be males more than females and it’s about bringing that change as well and as Annie said previously…opening up the game including commentating aspects to it, also…if we stay with a mindset of ‘what we’re familiar with’ in so many things then how does change and equality in opportunities ever come about…

[Ammi]

…football over the last few years…/…a decade or so…has been a real focus from primary school level to be more all inclusive to girls and it seems all kinds of wrong to me to then give a message to a female child of…oh, but commentary opportunities for male games aren’t so open to females…that’s still a struggling thing to get acceptance and equality in…that’s all kinds of wrong in 2024, surely….

[bots]

So, if one is drinking in the pub with friends, both male and female and the topic turned to the days games. Does a mans opinion of the game have greater weight than a womans? Do you check the peoples credentials on football before they comment?

Football commentary and punditry is just an extension of normal everyday discussion and debate. We all have our own opinions and are free to say someone else is talking crap, as i do often :laugh: Why should women be excluded from contributing to that? Seriously, removing a womans right to comment or express an opinion is taking us back to the middle ages

[Cherie]

Maybe because none of the known faces know the first thing about the women players or the women’s game in general.


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surely pundits dont know every male player or watch every match? and they should be doing their research anyway and watching videos of past matches so that doesnt wash with me

[Cherie]

I actually like some of the women that have been drafted in as Pundits.

My main issue is why we're not seeing more men commentating on women's Football? Because it does stink of unfairness.



agree

[AnnieK]

I would imagine the reason we don't see a lot of male pundits on the women's game will come down to money. The disparity in pay for female players, prize money etc etc will extend into the money offered to pundits I would imagine.

This is another reason why more money needs to be invested into the women's game

[Swan]

…I can understand that thought process of ‘familiarity’ of watching man admired player through their career and then feeling that they have that experience to commentate on the sport…but that won’t always be the case that a great player would be a great commentator as they’re two different skill requirements…but also, there are many levels because football has always been one of those more male dominated sports …so the players that are ‘more familiar’ are going to be males more than females and it’s about bringing that change as well and as Annie said previously…opening up the game including commentating aspects to it, also…if we stay with a mindset of ‘what we’re familiar with’ in so many things then how does change and equality in opportunities ever come about…

Just wanna point out too, once great players often fail when they become coaches and managers. Lampard, Neville, Keane, Gerrard, Rooney have all failed as managers, just to name a few.

My only gripe (and it's not that deep for me, i can assure you) is that over the past 2 or 3 years women have been rushed into the men's game, commentary, punditry etc purely because they're "box tickers". It's nothing to do with their knowledge of the game, it's because broadcasters want to be seen as PC. Like i said in my previous post, it's quantity, not quality. But again, a lot of the men talk rubbish too so the problem with punditry (if you wanna call it that) is that both men, and women for the most part talk utter rubbish.

There was a bit of a thing in Germany for the CL final last season, a woman was on Commentary, Inter were losing 1-0, and the woman said (when the camera panned to the Inter manager) something like "oh im sure he just wants the match to end now". I mean, that was up there with the silliest things ever said by a commentator, male or female. Twitter pointed out that "why on earth would a manager, when only losing 1-0, with 10 mins to go, in a Champions League Final, would want the match to end?!". She was criticised for the comment and it was branded "sexist". It wasn't sexist to criticise that comment, had a guy said it he would have got the same treatment.

tl;dr - Nothing against women commentating and doing punditry on the men's game, but if they're crap, or say something stupid, they should be open to criticism just like the men are. And trust me, the men get lots of criticism, they always have.

[Swan]

I would imagine the reason we don't see a lot of male pundits on the women's game will come down to money. The disparity in pay for female players, prize money etc etc will extend into the money offered to pundits I would imagine.

This is another reason why more money needs to be invested into the women's game

If even 50% of people who watched men's football, watched women's football too, the money would roll in, trust me.

People all get behind the women's national team when they're in tournaments, but when it comes to the women's domestic game, it doesn't get a strong or big enough following.

People say "oh the pay is a joke between men and women", yet hardly any of the people complaining about it watch any of the women's domestic football. Never attend games. Never pump any money into any aspect of it.

As far as percentage goes too, for example FIFA prizes, the women actually get more prize money than the men. They're allocated a bigger percentage.

[Swan]

Sorry, the women obviously don't get more money than the men literally, but the percentage they receive is bigger than what the men get. So my point is, if more people got behind the women's game, more money would roll in.

[Mystic Mock]

I would imagine the reason we don't see a lot of male pundits on the women's game will come down to money. The disparity in pay for female players, prize money etc etc will extend into the money offered to pundits I would imagine.

This is another reason why more money needs to be invested into the women's game

That's a fair point.

[Mystic Mock]

Just wanna point out too, once great players often fail when they become coaches and managers. Lampard, Neville, Keane, Gerrard, Rooney have all failed as managers, just to name a few.

My only gripe (and it's not that deep for me, i can assure you) is that over the past 2 or 3 years women have been rushed into the men's game, commentary, punditry etc purely because they're "box tickers". It's nothing to do with their knowledge of the game, it's because broadcasters want to be seen as PC. Like i said in my previous post, it's quantity, not quality. But again, a lot of the men talk rubbish too so the problem with punditry (if you wanna call it that) is that both men, and women for the most part talk utter rubbish.

There was a bit of a thing in Germany for the CL final last season, a woman was on Commentary, Inter were losing 1-0, and the woman said (when the camera panned to the Inter manager) something like "oh im sure he just wants the match to end now". I mean, that was up there with the silliest things ever said by a commentator, male or female. Twitter pointed out that "why on earth would a manager, when only losing 1-0, with 10 mins to go, in a Champions League Final, would want the match to end?!". She was criticised for the comment and it was branded "sexist". It wasn't sexist to criticise that comment, had a guy said it he would have got the same treatment.

tl;dr - Nothing against women commentating and doing punditry on the men's game, but if they're crap, or say something stupid, they should be open to criticism just like the men are. And trust me, the men get lots of criticism, they always have.

Her commentary sounds... Unique.:joker:

[Zizu]

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[Redway]

That's a fair point.

I still want to see Roy Keane do Punditry on a women's Football match though.

Big fan of Roy Keane, are you?

[Redway]

…this is quite a nice article to read as well…

Why More Women Should Take Up Boxing Classes

Boxing classes are great for women because it brings a strong feeling of empowerment and confidence. Even today, every woman has experienced a time when they were overlooked or dismissed as not good enough, simply because of their gender. Boxing is a unique sport that embodies power, strength, grace and mental tactics. Boxing teaches mental toughness and provides an emotional catharsis for all its participants. Boxing has proven to decrease stress hormones and increase endorphins, helping to relieve stress and boost your overall mood. Particularly for women, it’s important to discover your full strength, and with that, confidence in what you can accomplish in this world. There are no excuses and no limitations in a boxing ring. For women, it can be a powerful and life-changing way to discover their inner strength and apply it in every aspect of life.

…the link to the full article…

https://mayweather.fit/blog/why-more-women-should-take-up-boxing-classes/#:~:text=Boxing%20classes%20are%20great%20for,stre ngth%2C%20grace%20and%20mental%20tactics.

My older sister boxes and she’s found it an indispensable tool. That article’s on-point. And I’m loving it.

[Mystic Mock]

Big fan of Roy Keane, are you?

He can make me laugh sometimes.:laugh:

[Redway]

He can make me laugh sometimes.:laugh:

Fair dos, lad.

[Mystic Mock]

One thing that I just want to add to this thread.

What did everyone on here think when Sue Barker would talk about men's Tennis?

Because I don't remember that being anywhere near as controversial as women talking about Football.

[Crimson Dynamo]

One thing that I just want to add to this thread.

What did everyone on here think when Sue Barker would talk about men's Tennis?

Because I don't remember that being anywhere near as controversial as women talking about Football.

Things like Wimbledon happen with men and women's tennis together in one tournament so it was less of a big deal. Sue was more of a presenter anyroad and not a pundit. Just like the excellent Kelly Dalglish.

[Mystic Mock]

Things like Wimbledon happen with men and women's tennis together in one tournament so it was less of a big deal. Sue was more of a presenter anyroad and not a pundit. Just like the excellent Kelly Dalglish.

Fair points.

Although someone like Martina Navratilova is in the role of a traditional Sports Pundit, would you say that it's wrong for her to comment on men's Tennis?

I'm asking this more out of pure curiosity tbh, as I always like to understand the logic that other people are going for.

[Nicky91]

they have a male in the pundit team though for the women's euros


is that Sol Campbell by any chance? looks kinda like him, only he got a little more obese than he was in his playing career :joker:

[Zizu]

they have a male in the pundit team though for the women's euros


is that Sol Campbell by any chance? looks kinda like him, only he got a little more obese than he was in his playing career :joker:


Na it’s some irrelevant Scandinavian guy who manages or used to manage one of the women’s teams ..


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