Religion, Beliefs can make War/Death

[nodisharmony]

It sounds so easy to read the Bible and believe in God and Jesus Christ and everything being so lovely and peaceful in the world.

Goodness and love to your fellow man/woman.

Well, just look at all the killings and war and battles and hatred that exists in the world today, all in the name of their God or religion or beliefs.

Call it anything you like, but remember, that when you talk to anyone who kills in the name of what they believe in, they won't listen.

Nothing short of brainwashing:mad:

More problems about more hatred and more killings and power, but there is no answer.






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[Wiglet]

It is not always brainwashing nodis, sometimes it is just a love of a particular god that leads people to hate/fight for what they believe in.

Sad but true.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by wiglet
It is not always brainwashing nodis, sometimes it is just a love of a particular god that leads people to hate/fight for what they believe in.

Sad but true.

I agree that many religions don't cause any problems, I don't notice too much of the trouble which we find in certain countries, going on in lovely England, Wales & Scotland.

But we do watch the news and much of the war which goes on, is in the name of religion.

Many people just enjoy hostilities and killing, just for the sake of it.

So peace must be boring:bored:

at least to them? or is it just "power" that these warmongers crave for and do it for the sake of religion.

Looking for an excuse.






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[Matt08]

I'm not very religious at all. My religion is Christianity but I don't believe a word the bible says, it's a load of ****. When i'm older if going to convert religion and become Aithiest.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Matt2k7
I'm not very religious at all. My religion is Christianity but I don't believe a word the bible says, it's a load of ****. When i'm older if going to convert religion and become Aithiest.

No wars by Aithiests Matt:wink:

I am a Protestant, christened that way:thumbs:

But I don't follow religion, but I do believe that the angel's watch over us, especially the nice ones:angel:






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[spacebandit]

No atheists in foxholes

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by spacebandit
No atheists in foxholes

Atheists exists, but the wars don't occur from the Aitheists and if a war from someone who is religious does take place, then we know that religion is the reason.

At least, mostly.....






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[natjake2504]

im a christen and i have in been christenined as well but as i do beleive there is a god and what not i dont preach about it and dont disagree with any other religion for the simple fact its what you want to beleive not what you are made to - so therefore i dont beleive anyone is in the wrong for beleiving in what they do.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by natalia2504
Im a christen and i have in been christenined as well but as i do beleive there is a god and what not i dont preach about it and dont disagree with any other religion for the simple fact its what you want to beleive not what you are made to - so therefore i dont beleive anyone is in the wrong for beleiving in what they do.


We are not talking about civilized people who can worship God in the UK in a church, or even say their prayers at night.

That is so sweet and harmless.

No, we are on about a different type of people, who choose to get a gun in their hand and plant bombs and kill and attack in any which way they can, which sounds quite agressive and fanatical, doesn't it?

Well, it is like that and it goes much deeper than a simple war or battle, I can tell you.

Let's look at Iraq, Afghanistan & Iran. Do you think that Religion is NOT behind all this war?

Well, there is facts and the fact is, religion is a big part of it.

Saddam Hussein was in deep prayer, right the way through his reign in power and right up to the point of his death.

It is usually found in the middle-eastern countries mainly, but we know that, don't we:rolleyes:

Just watch Ch4 news, as well as Big Brother and the News presenter will naturally tell us about Iraq and Afghanistan and troops and car-bombings, well, religion is behind it, it always is.

Perhaps if we all worshiped the same God & religion, then everything could be very different, but that won't happen, as there is more than one God.

But who will get away with telling them.

Without being killed....






nodisharmony :angel:

[rex3]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by natalia2504
Im a christen and i have in been christenined as well but as i do beleive there is a god and what not i dont preach about it and dont disagree with any other religion for the simple fact its what you want to beleive not what you are made to - so therefore i dont beleive anyone is in the wrong for beleiving in what they do.


We are not talking about civilized people who can worship God in the UK in a church, or even say their prayers at night.

That is so sweet and harmless.

No, we are on about a different type of people, who choose to get a gun in their hand and plant bombs and kill and attack in any which way they can, which sounds quite agressive and fanatical, doesn't it?

Well, it is like that and it goes much deeper than a simple war or battle, I can tell you.

Let's look at Iraq, Afghanistan & Iran. Do you think that Religion is NOT behind all this war?

Well, there is facts and the fact is, religion is a big part of it.

Saddam Hussein was in deep prayer, right the way through his reign in power and right up to the point of his death.

It is usually found in the middle-eastern countries mainly, but we know that, don't we:rolleyes:

Just watch Ch4 news, as well as Big Brother and the News presenter will naturally tell us about Iraq and Afghanistan and troops and car-bombings, well, religion is behind it, it always is.

Perhaps if we all worshiped the same God & religion, then everything could be very different, but that won't happen, as there is more than one God.

But who will get away with telling them.

Without being killed....

nodisharmony :angel:


excuse me, that is what i call racist to middle eastern people its also very anti-semetic

[rex3]

Bush is also a Christian fanatic and uses christianity to drum up support over IRAQ, your a racist and an anti-semite

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by rex3



excuse me, that is what i call racist to middle eastern people its also very anti-semetic


I think that watching the News alone tells you what you should already know on this matter.

There will be many people who live in the middle-east who don't wish to get on with War and killings and I am certainly not tarnishing them with one brush, that would be perhaps unfair.

What I am doing, is using many of the occupants from these middle-eastern countries and saying that the News keeps on focusing in that direction.

I spoke about, "Spain" and they don't seem to want to get a gun in their hand so often and cause as much trouble in the name of their God or religion.

There are fanatics everywhere, but where is the huge arrow pointing exactly.

You go on about Zionists and Jews, but you have an argument and an axe to grind on that issue, which is what a serious debate is all about.

But I am pointing out what this whole problem is really about and the route cause of all the problems.

The Religions which Jews, Middle-Easterners, or in fact, many other countries occupants have, will certainly sway the way they normally think when it comes to attack

No fanatics, no war, or is there more to this?

Don't accuse someone of having a racist view, when you have no facts to support your accusation.

I am talking about Religion and how those who go to war in the name of it, will ultimately be blamed






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[spacebandit]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by wiglet
It is not always brainwashing nodis, sometimes it is just a love of a particular god that leads people to hate/fight for what they believe in.

Sad but true.

I agree that many religions don't cause any problems, I don't notice too much of the trouble which we find in certain countries, going on in lovely England, Wales & Scotland.

nodisharmony :angel:

Oh really, trying going to a Celtic home match, stand in the Jock Stein Stand and sing "Billy Boys" and see if you are able to walk out of the stadium

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by rex3
Bush is also a Christian fanatic and uses christianity to drum up support over IRAQ

George W. Bush is a Warmonger and that opinion is not just mine.

"Send in more troops", he will say:whistle:

Another 1000 dead troops, oh well, George W. Bush will tell us all about their bravery and stuff.

Do we care how he goes about it? Why should we?

He prays to God, Ya know:rolleyes:

So I say 2 + 2 + 4 or better still (Fantatical warmonger + Religion = War)

Your a racist and an anti-semite

In your opinion.....

Realist......Religion, War, Middle-East, BIG POINTED ARROW, Channel 4 News.

I do watch the News and so do you, so what is your problem with Jews and Zionists? a racist one??

I think that is crazy to say, as none of us can really say it is ALL, it is a case of ONE decides, who is the LEADER, THE POWER, and the troops are huge in volume, and the countries occupants better help, when required.

Remember NAZI Germany and innocent German people who do not wish to take part in the war.

Well, the Nazi's don't ask, they take...

You did understand Saddam, or did you???






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[spitfire]

Originally posted by spacebandit
Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by wiglet
It is not always brainwashing nodis, sometimes it is just a love of a particular god that leads people to hate/fight for what they believe in.

Sad but true.

I agree that many religions don't cause any problems, I don't notice too much of the trouble which we find in certain countries, going on in lovely England, Wales & Scotland.

nodisharmony :angel:

Oh really, trying going to a Celtic home match, stand in the Jock Stein Stand and sing "Billy Boys" and see if you are able to walk out of the stadium :laugh3:

[rex3]

Originally posted by spacebandit
Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by wiglet
It is not always brainwashing nodis, sometimes it is just a love of a particular god that leads people to hate/fight for what they believe in.

Sad but true.

I agree that many religions don't cause any problems, I don't notice too much of the trouble which we find in certain countries, going on in lovely England, Wales & Scotland.

nodisharmony :angel:

Oh really, trying going to a Celtic home match, stand in the Jock Stein Stand and sing "Billy Boys" and see if you are able to walk out of the stadium

exactly... saying middle eastern countries like war becuase of religoun and the PEOPLE who have started war AMERICA, UK and so on dont.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by spacebandit

Oh really, trying going to a Celtic home match, stand in the Jock Stein Stand and sing "Billy Boys" and see if you are able to walk out of the stadium

Try standing up to an Arsenal supporter who is a thug that you wouldn't dare cross, and he has about ten mates with him and the match was against Westham, and then shout "Westham are the greatest and Arsenal are losers"

I think you might end up with a black eye.

Go upto Jade Goody and call her a racist to her face, when she has a big entourage of bodyguards and thuggish friends around her, you might not be as fourthcoming face to face.

Those two examples make your's laughable :laugh::laugh:

Anyone who does point out problems which exist within any group or individuals, will naturally face fierce opposition, whether true or not.

Pick on yourself and your past critisisms and accusations, before picking on mine.

"Practicing what you preach", that's a true saying:rolleyes:




nodisharmony :angel:

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by rex3


exactly... saying middle eastern countries like war becuase of religoun and the PEOPLE who have started war AMERICA, UK and so on dont.

So let's pick into this, shall we?

I pick "Iraq", is that okay?

I watch the News, just like we all do and we see a war going on and it never seems to end, now, why did it start?

Is it because the USA invaded? Well, the finger points to George W. Bush, doesn't it?

But why did he attack? Nuclear Weapons? Yes/No?

Did I say that the USA didn't go to War? Yes/No?

What reasons do Wars start exactly, if you look towards the middle-eastern countries. Well, why don't you ask and find out?

George W. Bush is known for being a bit of a Warmonger, this is by critics and I am a critic, just like you are.

The War get's started for a reason and remember, that the public don't get to hear all the information, but the fighting which goes on, is mostly about Religion and fighting and killing in the name of religion.

When the USA troops & UK troops go to war, do you think it is because of God & religion?

Am I missing something? I don't think so.....

I am NOT accusing those who don't wish to be a part of it, but there is always turning-a-blind-eye, and that can be just as bad.






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[spacebandit]

Originally posted by nodisharmony

Go upto Jade Goody and call her a racist to her face, when she has a big entourage of bodyguards and thuggish friends around her, you might not be as fourthcoming face to face.


I'll happily tell her to her face she is a bullying racist if I am ever unfortunate enough to be in the same location as her - and her "bodyguards" will do nothing, although if they did then I would be trousering a huge chunk of her money


Originally posted by nodisharmony
Those two examples make your's laughable :laugh::laugh:


that only makes sense if you were remotely able to keep to your own point

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Anyone who does point out problems which exist within any group or individuals, will naturally face fierce opposition, whether true or not.


State the obvious time

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Pick on yourself and your past critisisms and accusations, before picking on mine.


"Practicing what you preach", that's a true saying:rolleyes:

nodisharmony

If you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen is another saying - you started this particular topic, and are clearly unable to sustain the point you attempted and failed to make

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by spacebandit
I'll happily tell her to her face she is a bullying racist if I am ever unfortunate enough to be in the same location as her - and her "bodyguards" will do nothing, although if they did then I would be trousering a huge chunk of her money

So Jade Goody's bodyguards are going to attack you there and then. I don't think so....

Brains are involved and you know how clever Jade Goody can be & her team:wink:

Forget getting any of her money :laugh::laugh:

Originally posted by spacebandit
that only makes sense if you were remotely able to keep to your own point

I do. & do it unauthodoxly, you'll have to keep up, both times, going once, going twice:wink:

Originally posted by spacebandit
If you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen is another saying - you started this particular topic, and are clearly unable to sustain the point you attempted and failed to make

The point being that Religion & Beliefs can make War & Death. I use the word, "Can", that doesn't mean, "Always", that makes a big difference, but things get a bit lost in threads..

I started this topic, that is right:thumbs:





nodisharmony :angel:

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by spacebandit
I'll happily tell her to her face she is a bullying racist if I am ever unfortunate enough to be in the same location as her - and her "bodyguards" will do nothing, although if they did then I would be trousering a huge chunk of her money

So Jade Goody's bodyguards are going to attack you there and then. I don't think so....

Brains are involved and you know how clever Jade Goody can be & her team:wink:

Forget getting any of her money :laugh::laugh:

Originally posted by spacebandit
that only makes sense if you were remotely able to keep to your own point

I do. & do it unauthodoxly, you'll have to keep up, both times, going once, going twice:wink:

Originally posted by spacebandit
If you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen is another saying - you started this particular topic, and are clearly unable to sustain the point you attempted and failed to make

The point being that Religion & Beliefs can make War & Death. I use the word, "Can", that doesn't mean, "Always", that makes a big difference, but things get a bit lost in threads..

I started this topic, that is right:thumbs:

nodisharmony :angel:

Wow, in the space of a single post you "forget" the content of your previous rant in yet another attempt to bait and switch. :rolleyes:

It was YOU who brought up the bodyguards

Originally posted by nodisharmony

Go upto Jade Goody and call her a racist to her face, when she has a big entourage of bodyguards and thuggish friends around her, you might not be as fourthcoming face to face.


when I reply about the very thing YOU mentioned you try and switch tack, failing pathetically as usual.
:laugh:

There is nothing unorthodox about you, thats the correct spelling of unorthordox btw, - you are the very definition of the deaf dumb blind apologist, all three monkeys rolled into one when it comes to the skank racist pig

Carry On

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by spacebandit

Wow, in the space of a single post you "forget" the content of your previous rant in yet another attempt to bait and switch. :rolleyes:

It was YOU who brought up the bodyguards

I brought up "Bodyguards" and they don't have to be next to Jade Goody when they make their move to some foul mouthed ****

They protect her.




Originally posted by spacebandit

when I reply about the very thing YOU mentioned you try and switch tack, failing pathetically as usual.
:laugh:

Wrong

Originally posted by spacebandit

thats the correct spelling of unorthordox btw,

I do spelling mistakes now & again, it happens:blush:

Originally posted by spacebandit

You are the very definition of the deaf dumb blind apologist, all three monkeys rolled into one when it comes to the skank racist pig

Now, Now, I'm getting all spooky :laugh::laugh::laugh:

Almost ghost-like, where you won't see the smoke-screen:dance:

Originally posted by spacebandit

Carry On

Carry on, I won't on this thread, as the subject title is drifting away abit:nono:

We are both guilty of that, on this occasion:angel:

_______________________________________
Many wars are caused because of Religious beliefs.

The Countries I am choosing to point out, are the main bunch who are on the News continually.

Gordon Brown has a decision to make about pulling or not pulling out British troops out of Iraq.

Should he say, Yes/No to that decision?






nodisharmony :angel:

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by spacebandit

Wow, in the space of a single post you "forget" the content of your previous rant in yet another attempt to bait and switch. :rolleyes:

It was YOU who brought up the bodyguards

I brought up "Bodyguards" and they don't have to be next to Jade Goody when they make their move to some foul mouthed ****

They protect her.




Originally posted by spacebandit

when I reply about the very thing YOU mentioned you try and switch tack, failing pathetically as usual.
:laugh:

Wrong

Originally posted by spacebandit

thats the correct spelling of unorthordox btw,

I do spelling mistakes now & again, it happens:blush:

Originally posted by spacebandit

You are the very definition of the deaf dumb blind apologist, all three monkeys rolled into one when it comes to the skank racist pig

Now, Now, I'm getting all spooky :laugh::laugh::laugh:

Almost ghost-like, where you won't see the smoke-screen:dance:

Originally posted by spacebandit

Carry On

Carry on, I won't on this thread, as the subject title is drifting away abit:nono:

We are both guilty of that, on this occasion:angel:

_______________________________________
Many wars are caused because of Religious beliefs.

The Countries I am choosing to point out, are the main bunch who are on the News continually.

Gordon Brown has a decision to make about pulling or not pulling out British troops out of Iraq.

Should he say, Yes/No to that decision?






nodisharmony :angel:

I see a personal insult in there, as you try to weasel out of the hole you dug yourself

Tut Tut Tut

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by spacebandit


I see a personal insult in there, as you try to weasel out of the hole you dug yourself

Tut Tut Tut

I don't see one:puzzled:

What I do see, is, Jade's bodyguards would be happy to sort out someone who was happy to attack her verbally or even physically in some way.

That is what they are paid for.

and it wasn't directed at anyone in particular either.

Glad I cleared that up:whistle:

anyway, the topic is NOT about Jade, but we both must get back on topic, mustn't we both....





nodisharmony :angel:

[Tanser_Man]

I've always thought religion is evil.

Thou shalt not do this and that, do what you want, nobody should be living by rules when they don't even know the reality of what there worshipping.

Lives are lost everyday because of religion and this has happended throughout history and will continue to happen untill people realise life/living is more important!

I bet the last thing 'god' would have wanted was for everyone to be living in misery, dying in his name.


Edit: And that's not me saying it's wrong for people to do so, people can do what they want!

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by nodisharmony


We are not talking about civilized people who can worship God in the UK in a church, or even say their prayers at night.

That is so sweet and harmless.

No, we are on about a different type of people, who choose to get a gun in their hand and plant bombs and kill and attack in any which way they can, which sounds quite agressive and fanatical, doesn't it?


More utter ignorance, as you again try to paint the UK as the Avalon/New Jerusalem ideal of Blake and Malory - you once again ignore a salient point, the 7/7 bombers were British, as were the 21/7 failed bombers, they worshipped in British mosques - sweet and harmless ? - only when you ignore that, as bigots do when they try and fail to spread the hate

Originally posted by nodisharmony


Let's look at Iraq, Afghanistan & Iran. Do you think that Religion is NOT behind all this war?

Well, there is facts and the fact is, religion is a big part of it.



yes it is,
George Bush himself has stated that G-d spoke to him and that the war in Iraq was a just war. Tony Bliar has also stated that he prayed to G-d and that he knew the Lord was with him and the Iraq war was just. One can only assume that G-d also told them that they needed to lie to start it as their own people were'nt buying it

Do You mention that or the Right wing Christian Fundamentalists in the United States chomping at the bit for more wars in the middle east and on numerous occasions calling for the use of Nuclear Weapons - of course you haven't, their warmongering and genocide is white christian warmongering and genocide, so no condemnation from you


Originally posted by nodisharmony
Saddam Hussein was in deep prayer, right the way through his reign in power and right up to the point of his death.

It is usually found in the middle-eastern countries mainly, but we know that, don't we:rolleyes:


Yep, Bush does exactly the same thing - so did Bliar

Originally posted by nodisharmony

Perhaps if we all worshiped the same God & religion, then everything could be very different, but that won't happen, as there is more than one God.

But who will get away with telling them.

Without being killed....

nodisharmony :angel:

There is only one G-d, according to Christianity and Islam, a fact that you are clearly unaware of in your blind bigotry, so here is a little lesson for you.

"Allah" is the arabic word for G-d, not a seperate G-d, not a seperate deity, the Qu'ran even includes Jesus Christ, and has him as one of the prophets, and therein lies the rub for people like you and your Right Wing Christian Fundamentalist bigot soulmates, the islamic Jesus is not the standardised white version of the Holy See and the Bible belt, and it must really really gall you

Once again the bigot shows his ignorance.

Carry On .... regardless

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by spacebandit

More utter ignorance, as you again try to paint the UK as the Avalon/New Jerusalem ideal of Blake and Malory - you once again ignore a salient point, the 7/7 bombers were British, as were the 21/7 failed bombers, they worshipped in British mosques - sweet and harmless ? - only when you ignore that, as bigots do when they try and fail to spread the hate

You are looking at 7/7 bombers right?

How many 7/7 bombers exactly Spacebandit? 1, 4, 6, 9, hmmm?? I would say a very small amount of people.

But, what type of people?

This was one of those isolated incidents really, and quite rare in comparison to what is happening in the middle-east, every single day.

The 7/7 bombers were English, what of it??

Naturally, there will be a microscopic amount of people within the UK with fanatical ideas like bombing, but how many do that and what percentage exactly feel like that in comparison to the middle-east?

Don't start about population either, it won't wash...

The arrow is still pointing there regardless, even if you say the word "Bigot" in a mirror:laugh:

and the 21/7 failed bombers, well they failed....That's a positive, eh:wink:


Originally posted by spacebandit

yes it is,
George Bush himself has stated that G-d spoke to him and that the war in Iraq was a just war. Tony Bliar has also stated that he prayed to G-d and that he knew the Lord was with him and the Iraq war was just. One can only assume that G-d also told them that they needed to lie to start it as their own people were'nt buying it

What George W. Bush & Tony Blair wish to say in the media is what they say to the media.

It's a political thingy which runs much deeper than you know and think:puzzled:

They invaded Iraq for a reason, and religion was not the reason and never was.

But for the middle-east, there is only two reasons and that is obvious. I keep pointing it out time & time again, but you keep pointing your arrow to the West.

That is less than patriotic, and in fact quite bad:mad:

Originally posted by spacebandit

Do You mention that or the Right wing Christian Fundamentalists in the United States chomping at the bit for more wars in the middle east and on numerous occasions calling for the use of Nuclear Weapons - of course you haven't, their warmongering and genocide is white christian warmongering and genocide, so no condemnation from you

I am pointing the arrow at the middle-east, simply because of what is constantly going on in that part of the world.

Much of that area is less than civilized, when you compare it to the rest of the Western World.

I take on board some of what you are saying and not everyone in the more Civilized sector are angels:angel: But the War which is going on in Iraq and other countries within the middle-east is always Religion-Related, but the Western world is NOT dominated by religion, in relation to War, like you keep saying.

You are reading the wrong information Spacebandit and I don't know how you can trawl through the media publications within Newspaper articles etc.. and come up with these lies.

The truth is always yearning to be told and the fanatical War people which are in massive quantity, join together in a massive mob and all join in.

The troops which come from the USA and UK, fight because they are instructed to and it is their job.

There will be true believers in God within those troops and I do expect that they will pray to God as well, but the fight which happens is because the troops from the USA and the UK are paid well to do their job.

The fighters in the middle-east are less organized and it is a case of, "Here's a gun, shoot to kill, target:- Americans/British"

That could be the order to anyone. Similar to Nazism, during the ocupation eh:wink:




Originally posted by spacebandit

There is only one G-d, according to Christianity and Islam, a fact that you are clearly unaware of in your blind bigotry, so here is a little lesson for you.

"Allah" is the arabic word for G-d, not a seperate G-d, not a seperate deity, the Qu'ran even includes Jesus Christ, and has him as one of the prophets, and therein lies the rub for people like you and your Right Wing Christian Fundamentalist bigot soulmates, the islamic Jesus is not the standardised white version of the Holy See and the Bible belt, and it must really really gall you

You don't understand what I mean.

I am aware of the different meanings, but if you walk up to a White Englishman and say, "Do you worship Allah?", then we all know what he would say, don't we?

If you talk about different kinds of religions and other writings in books, etc.. about religion, that is where the problems arise.

When I say, "We all worshiped the same God", it is actually about religion, rather than God.

What about false Gods? You've heard about that, haven't you?

The middle-eastern War-Folk fight on against very religious Americans, but why don't they be all full of goodness and choose to pray to a God of peace?

Peace is the American way, so the constitution say?

But what about those, NOT in the western world, hah?

Originally posted by spacebandit

Once again the bigot shows his ignorance.

Carry On .... regardless


No need to get rattled now, especially with nasty comments like that...

[spacebandit]

rattled - moi ? - you wish.,

you have once again shown yourself for what you are,

You claim I am unpatriotic ?, that is laughable. :laugh::laugh:

You have no idea at all about "patriotism"


I wore this country's uniform for 12 years
I have a younger brother currently in harms way.

What about your "patriotism" ?
You seem to be confusing patriotism with xenophobia


You blame only brown people for the problems in this world, you ignore what the white folk do, in fact as you said it yourself in another reply, blame an arab for something an american did and when your lie is caught out explain yourself thusly,

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Details, Details, what of it?


I am able to question my governments illegal actions with a clear conscience.

I've worn its uniform and I've been in harms way because of it, I have earned the right to question my governments lies and propoganda, but you don't need to have worn a uniform to be a patriot in your own country.

The truest test of a citizen is a willingness, desire and ability to questions his / her governments actions and motivations.

You not only offer blind unflinching excuses and lies, you even condemn one group of people for the actions committed by another.

the group you always condemn, even to the point of deliberately lying is invariably brown as opposed to the invariably white.

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Peace is the American way, so the constitution say?



Perhaps a little research into what has been happening to the US constitution under the "peace loving christian" George Bush would have been a plan for you before you wrote yet another clueless soundbyte.




What you are is as clear as a day


Patriotism in the last refuge of the acoundrel

Samual Johnson



You're not to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who does it or says it.

Malcolm X (1925 - 1965)

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by spacebandit

rattled - moi ? - you wish.,

It appeared that way, and you look more than rattled, but I was kind:wink:

Originally posted by spacebandit

you have once again shown yourself for what you are,

I have given my opinion on the matter and the matter is War & Religion & pointing out what many of us know, that the Wars are happening in the middle-east

Originally posted by spacebandit

You claim I am unpatriotic ?, that is laughable. :laugh::laugh:

You have no idea at all about "patriotism"

You keep mentioning other Countries outside the middle-east.

You mention "The West", I assume that you live in "The West", eh...

Patriotism is a word in the dictionary and I can certainly find out it's meaning on a Google search, but I remember from School-days, so neither guide is necessary


Originally posted by spacebandit

I wore this country's uniform for 12 years
I have a younger brother currently in harms way.

Paid for it well, of course....:rolleyes:

nobody forced you, hmmmmm

Originally posted by spacebandit

What about your "patriotism" ?

I am defending the West in this and other debates. My motives perhaps are unclear?

Originally posted by spacebandit

You seem to be confusing patriotism with xenophobia

xenophobia is a phobia against foreigners, foreign people.

foreign people includes:- "Well, you know what it means and so do I....":rolleyes:


Originally posted by spacebandit

You blame only brown people for the problems in this world, you ignore what the white folk do

That is unbelievable and ridiculous to say Spacebandit.

So, if 7 black men in Harlem commit a crime and I point it out, then you will say I am racist??

If the occupants in the middle-eastern Countries are brown-coloured skin and they are Causing and fighting Wars, then the same thing applies and unlike your accusations of me, look at my accusations of what is happening in Iraq, Israel, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, i could go on:sleep:

It is just the way it is..But try to twist it, if you can:spin2:

Originally posted by spacebandit

in fact as you said it yourself in another reply, blame an arab for something an american did

Point that quote out and I shall clarify the reasons for what I said and everything else.

Originally posted by spacebandit

and when your lie is caught out explain yourself thusly,

Explanations can make a difference, especially when misconceptions takes place

Originally posted by spacebandit

I am able to question my governments illegal actions with a clear conscience.

Doesn't wash at all, try harder...

Originally posted by spacebandit

I've worn its uniform and I've been in harms way because of it, I have earned the right to question my governments lies and propoganda

One man with One view and perhaps a clouded judgement because you personally have seen something which you can't prove.

So instead, you pick holes

Originally posted by spacebandit

but you don't need to have worn a uniform to be a patriot in your own country.

We all know that..:sleep:

Originally posted by spacebandit

The truest test of a citizen is a willingness, desire and ability to questions his / her governments actions and motivations.

It still depends on who it is and if you have been in the Army/Navy/whatever, and you have experienced something which you can't handle, it can make you disturbed in some way.

There are a lot of troops who go to war and come back to the UK in a state mentally.

This is commonplace..

Originally posted by spacebandit

You not only offer blind unflinching excuses and lies, you even condemn one group of people for the actions committed by another.

I look at War and much, much more. All in the line of pure observations, looking at facts and much, much more.

Originally posted by spacebandit

the group you always condemn, even to the point of deliberately lying is invariably brown as opposed to the invariably white.

I look at an area, not a colour as you continue to say:sleep:

Originally posted by spacebandit

Perhaps a little research into what has been happening to the US constitution under the "peace loving christian" George Bush would have been a plan for you before you wrote yet another clueless soundbyte.

I have already stated that George W. Bush is no angel and certainly has been described as a Warmonger.

He has just sent in more troops, if you have watched the News lately. You probably know the quantity who are heading for Iraq

There is always going to be problems and certainly the USA will have part to blame, but why do they invade, eh...

9/11 didn't help, did it?




Originally posted by spacebandit

What you are is as clear as a day


Patriotism in the last refuge of the acoundrel

Samual Johnson



You're not to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who does it or says it.

Malcolm X (1925 - 1965)

This quote is boring:sleep::sleep::sleep:

not even bothering to stoop so low:spin:







nodisharmony

[rex3]

why does a debate always turn into who has the largest dick or fanny(Lauren) with you lot

[Lauren]

Originally posted by rex3
why does a debate always turn into who has the largest dick or fanny(Lauren) with you lot

Why would I argue I had a large fanny? :conf:

[James]

This thread seems to be mainly about personal comments directed towards other posters so closing.