London : Theatregoers White Folk Not Welcome, Black only night

[arista]

[West End play tells white theatregoers they
aren't welcome as it hosts all-black audience
nights at Kit Harington production to 'protect'
ticketholders from 'the white gaze'
Two evenings will be left open to an
'all-Black identifying audience']


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13130911/West-End-tells-white-theatregoers-arent-welcome-hosts-black-audience-nights-Kit-Harrington-play-protect-ticketholders-white-gaze.html

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/02/28/08/81810893-13130911-image-a-6_1709109743575.jpg

[Cherie]

wtf...I mean okay but this is not diversity and inclusion but if that is the hill they want to die on...

[Crimson Dynamo]

how black does one have to be to qualify?

Is there a doorman there with a colour scale?

[rusticgal]

how black does one have to be to qualify?

Is there a doorman there with a colour scale?



:hehe:

[thesheriff443]

Will dark brown do?

[Oliver_W]

Bit condescending: "you poor black folx, you don't have to watch our play while whites are here!!".

Why don't they go the whole hog and offer lower prices?

[arista]

wtf...I mean okay but this is not diversity and inclusion but if that is the hill they want to die on...

They do not want You
staring at them

[arista]

how black does one have to be to qualify?

Is there a doorman there with a colour scale?


Yes you are White
bugger off LT

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes you are White
bugger off LT

:fist:

I take a good tan in the summer

[Beso]

Just identify as black on the night.:shrug:

[bots]

it's racial discrimination

[rusticgal]

Can you imagine if the tables were turned....

I think its totally wrong.

[Redway]

Can you imagine if the tables were turned....

I think its totally wrong.

It’s so-totally not wrong.

[Livia]

This already happened at the Theatre Royal Stratford East. Last year they put on performances for black only audiences. This is all so they can enjoy the show without being under "white gaze".

Of course it's illegal to refuse any group of people admission.

[Oliver_W]

Tbh it's the best marketing they could hope for, no-one would care about or have heard of their little play without this.

It’s so-totally not wrong.
How so?

This already happened at the Theatre Royal Stratford East. Last year they put on performances for black only audiences. This is all so they can enjoy the show without being under "white gaze".

Of course it's illegal to refuse any group of people admission.
It's probably advisory and requested rather than enforced. So of course, groups of whites should book up the tickets for those performances :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Anyone wishing to avoid The White gaze" should just watch TV adverts every night

:/

[Cherie]

It’s so-totally not wrong.

why is it not wrong, would you accept white only nights at the theatre, its going backwards

[Beso]

This already happened at the Theatre Royal Stratford East. Last year they put on performances for black only audiences. This is all so they can enjoy the show without being under "white gaze".

Of course it's illegal to refuse any group of people admission.

Stratford east...white folk staring at black folk.. in Stratford???

Surely its the other way round there

[Redway]

why is it not wrong, would you accept white only nights at the theatre, its going backwards

Are you a historically oppressed minority in this part of the world who needs a certain degree of racial protection and spaces where one common cultural marker for group solidarity can exist in a fully safe space? Why are you bothered about that as a white person?

[Redway]

Tbh it's the best marketing they could hope for, no-one would care about or have heard of their little play without this.


How so?


It's probably advisory and requested rather than enforced. So of course, groups of whites should book up the tickets for those performances :laugh:

Certain black experiences (and don’t tell me you’ve experienced exactly that same level or type of racism) are unique to black people and black people alone and they should have the right to feel protected in certain spaces and able to have a sounding board for things that pertain mostly to black people. You can flip the tables for reverse-neutrality’s sake but the bottom and top line is white people don’t need it. Understand it, don’t understand it. It doesn’t change anything.

[Cherie]

Are you a historically oppressed minority in this part of the world who needs a certain degree of racial protection and spaces where one common cultural marker for group solidarity can exist in a fully safe space? Why are you bothered about that as a white person?

yes I am Irish


what the hell is all that supposed to mean?

Okay we will have whites only nights to protect ourselves from the black gaze, dont complain now

fully safe space lol....

[Redway]

yes I am Irish


what the hell is all that supposed to mean?

Okay we will have whites only nights to protect ourselves from the black gaze, dont complain now

Irish people have historically had their struggles and you’re more than welcome to set up Irish-exclusive spaces for a night (of course) but so have black people. So have Jews. So have all sorts of marginalised groups across the world. It’s not everyone outside of a particular demographic who’ll understand the extent of their struggles and need for a certain degree of solidarity in cohesion (there’s a difference between having a theoretical knowledge of something and actually experiencing it yourself) but that doesn’t invalidate every individual group’s right for communal protection like that. You can turn around and say that Somali women’s support groups shouldn’t be a thing but at the end of the day unless you’re a domestically abused refugee from Mogadishu you’re only going to be theorising from the outside looking in, not knowing how it really feels. “But I want to eat bariis too” is neither here nor there. Go to a Somali restaurant, then. What are you looking for in a support-group set up specifically for Somali women other than a space to extend reverse-inclusivity and not let them have a place just for them? What are you scared they might do or say left to themselves?

We’re at the point where we love to pretend that racial history counts for nothing and it might as well have been white people who were enslaved in spades and raped for 400 solid years, hunted by KKK equivalents and still subject to a lot of racism (covert and overt) to this day but that’s not how it is. Racial history’s there in print and there’s no changing that but it can be acknowledged and used for solidarity-marking points to at least a certain extent. Maybe you do belong to a historically marginalised group (and I 100% respect Irish history and what they’ve had to experience) but that’s different. If you’re white Irish and treated differently or discriminated against, it ain’t because of the colour of your skin specifically. That’s just a rock-hard fact.

People can set out to do whatever they want for one night so long as it’s not directly hurting anyone else. I’m not the one who’s gonna complain. I respect Irish history, gypsy history, Jewish history and yada-yada but I also respect black history. And I detest misplaced colour-blindness. You see colour and it doesn’t count for nothing. Especially not to the people directly impacted. So let’s just not even try to make this about white people.

[rusticgal]

It’s so-totally not wrong.


We are supposed to be moving forward….if the situation was reversed no doubt you would be on here saying just how wrong it is.

[Redway]

We are supposed to be moving forward….if the situation was reversed no doubt you would be on here saying just how wrong it is.

Read my above post. If you still want to argue, let’s talk it out.

[Cherie]

Irish people have historically had their struggles and you’re more than welcome to set up Irish-exclusive spaces for a night (of course) but so have black people. So have Jews. So have all sorts of marginalised groups across the world. It’s not everyone outside of a particular demographic who’ll understand the extent of their struggles and need for a certain degree of solidarity in cohesion (there’s a difference between having a theoretical knowledge of something and actually experiencing it yourself) but that doesn’t invalidate every individual group’s right for communal protection like that. You can turn around and say that Somali women’s support groups shouldn’t be a thing but at the end of the day unless you’re a domestically abused refugee from Mogadishu you’re only going to be theorising from the outside looking in, not knowing how it really feels. “But I want to eat bariis too” is neither here nor there. Go to a Somali restaurant, then. What are you looking for in a support-group set up specifically for Somali women other than a space to extend reverse-inclusivity and not let them have a place just for them? What are you scared they might do or say left to themselves?

We’re at the point where we love to pretend that racial history counts for nothing and it might as well have been white people who were enslaved in spades and raped for 400 solid years, hunted by KKK equivalents and still subject to a lot of racism (covert and overt) to this day but that’s not how it is. Racial history’s there in print and there’s no changing that but it can be acknowledged and used for solidarity-marking points to at least a certain extent. Maybe you do belong to a historically marginalised group (and I 100% respect Irish history and what they’ve had to experience) but that’s different. If you’re white Irish and treated differently or discriminated against, it ain’t because of the colour of your skin specifically. That’s just a rock-hard fact.

People can set out to do whatever they want for one night so long as it’s not directly hurting anyone else. I’m not the one who’s gonna complain. I respect Irish history, gypsy history, Jewish history and yada-yada but I also respect black history. And I detest misplaced colour-blindness. You see colour and it doesn’t count for nothing. Especially not to the people directly impacted. So let’s just not even try to make this about white people.

Honestly I think it is regressive, it does not make black people equal to have 'their own night' in my view it is patronising and non inclusive, we should all be equal, black people should not be bothered by a white persons gaze and vice versa, just my take on it, what do you actually think is going to happen in a theatre? are black people actually going to feel unsafe in a mixed group....its just divisive shiz, as Oliver said a great advertising tool for a show

[Redway]

Honestly I think it is regressive, it does not make black people equal to have 'their own night' in my view it is patronising and non inclusive, we should all be equal, black people should not be bothered by a white persons gaze and vice versa, just my take on it, what do you actually think is going to happen in a theatre? are black people actually going to feel unsafe in a mixed group....its just divisive shiz, as Oliver said a great advertising tool for a show

It’s not really about what you think when it comes to what black people know when it comes to guarding spaces that are just for them and not stereotypically negatively so.

I don’t care what Ollie’s saying about great advertising tools or whatever other line from the book of neutral, colour-blind objectives he wants to roll out. Everything he says about race is by the book of unwavering neutrality and race is more complex and real than that. It doesn’t shoot to acknowledge it and stop pretending like we’ve all experienced the same level of prejudice and historical discrimination based just off the colour of our skin specifically. We might all be equal as people but none of us are equal historically (and even if they are they’re still different) and that continues to affect people, for good and bad. When it’s for good, let it blossom. Let black people themselves be the judge of what’s patronising to them and what isn’t. Is women getting together to talk about motherhood and breast-feeding in women-only spaces regressive to you?

[Mystic Mock]

[West End play tells white theatregoers they
aren't welcome as it hosts all-black audience
nights at Kit Harington production to 'protect'
ticketholders from 'the white gaze'
Two evenings will be left open to an
'all-Black identifying audience']


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13130911/West-End-tells-white-theatregoers-arent-welcome-hosts-black-audience-nights-Kit-Harrington-play-protect-ticketholders-white-gaze.html

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/02/28/08/81810893-13130911-image-a-6_1709109743575.jpg

Whoever came up with that idea deserves to be fired from their job, and put in a Mental Ward.

[Mystic Mock]

Certain black experiences (and don’t tell me you’ve experienced exactly that same level or type of racism) are unique to black people and black people alone and they should have the right to feel protected in certain spaces and able to have a sounding board for things that pertain mostly to black people. You can flip the tables for reverse-neutrality’s sake but the bottom and top line is white people don’t need it. Understand it, don’t understand it. It doesn’t change anything.

What about Asian people? Or Hispanics? This Theatre is saying it only wants black audiences.

[Mystic Mock]

Honestly I think it is regressive, it does not make black people equal to have 'their own night' in my view it is patronising and non inclusive, we should all be equal, black people should not be bothered by a white persons gaze and vice versa, just my take on it, what do you actually think is going to happen in a theatre? are black people actually going to feel unsafe in a mixed group....its just divisive shiz, as Oliver said a great advertising tool for a show

I 100% agree with you Cherie.

[Cherie]

It’s not really about what you think when it comes to what black people know when it comes to guarding spaces that are just for them and not stereotypically negatively so.

I don’t care what Ollie’s saying about great advertising tools or whatever other line from the book of neutral, colour-blind objectives he wants to roll out. Everything he says about race is by the book of unwavering neutrality and race is more complex and real than that. It doesn’t shoot to acknowledge it and stop pretending like we’ve all experienced the same level of prejudice and historical discrimination based just off the colour of our skin specifically. We might all be equal as people but none of us are equal historically (and even if they are they’re still different) and that continues to affect people, for good and bad. When it’s for good, let it blossom. Let black people themselves be the judge of what’s patronising to them and what isn’t. Is women getting together to talk about motherhood and breast-feeding in women-only spaces regressive to you?

it would be if it were just say white women or black women, and you are comparing apples with oranges, not all of the human race can breast feed, but theatre goers come in all shapes and sizes, they sit in a darkened theatre alongside whoever they travelled with, they watch the show, and then they go home, they don't really interact with the strangers around them, look if you are happy with this good on you but dont go complaining about whites only gatherings should there be any (hopefully not) in the future, you really can't have it both ways

[Cherie]

I 100% agree with you Cherie.

Not often we agree Mock :laugh:

[Oliver_W]

Is women getting together to talk about motherhood and breast-feeding in women-only spaces regressive to you?

Women are the only people who can breastfeed and be mothers, while people of all races have historically been slaves or slave owners at some point.

While modern day slavery is a thing, they're unlikely to be going to see plays.

You don't inherit memories from your ancestors, so history doesn't mean a whole lot on an individual basis.

[Ammi]

…I’ve read all of the reasoning of ‘Theatre Black Out…’ performances and as was said earlier in the thread…this isn’t a first, I think that 2019 was the first one so 4 years ago…?…anyway, this is a ‘black story’ written by a ‘black playwright’ and ‘addressing a black audience’ for that input dynamic…?….and because it’s felt that Theatre goers are ‘predominantly white’ audience, this is intended to create or balance that…?…to encourage a black audience into the theatre/theatres…?…so addressing an ‘imbalance’ as perceived, if you like …by creating and deepening an imbalance…by making that imbalance into a divide and divisive thing…?…as well intentioned as it may be, it’s surely very misguided and was obviously always going to be perceived as ‘extreme’…there were ways to do this that weren’t going to pull against any positives it hoped to achieve…many tickets could have been given to black clubs and organisations …it could be looked at as to whether the production could become ‘mobile’ and taken out to those communities also…?…there are ways that would have kept it all ‘about the arts’ and not just fuelling already highly fuelled culture wars that are present in in our modern day world….but this, I think…will just add to a divide that is already extremely concerning….this isn’t addressing, surely…?…it’s aggravating, whether unintentional or not…that was always going to be what we see…

[Cherie]

…I’ve read all of the reasoning of ‘Theatre Black Out…’ performances and as was said earlier in the thread…this isn’t a first, I think that 2019 was the first one so 4 years ago…?…anyway, this is a ‘black story’ written by a ‘black playwright’ and ‘addressing a black audience’ for that input dynamic…?….and because it’s felt that Theatre goers are ‘predominantly white’ audience, this is intended to create or balance that…?…to encourage a black audience into the theatre/theatres…?…so addressing an ‘imbalance’ as perceived, if you like …by creating and deepening an imbalance…by making that imbalance into a divide and divisive thing…?…as well intentioned as it may be, it’s surely very misguided and was obviously always going to be perceived as ‘extreme’…there were ways to do this that weren’t going to pull against any positives it hoped to achieve…many tickets could have been given to black clubs and organisations …it could be looked at as to whether the production could become ‘mobile’ and taken out to those communities also…?…there are ways that would have kept it all ‘about the arts’ and not just fuelling already highly fuelled culture wars that are present in in our modern day world….but this, I think…will just add to a divide that is already extremely concerning….this isn’t addressing, surely…?…it’s aggravating, whether unintentional or not…that was always going to be what we see…

Absolutely, if you want to attract more black people to the theatre then advertise in places that your intended audience will see it, I don't see cinemas having to have only black audiences for films like 10 years a slave, so personally I do think this is more of an extreme advertising gimmick than truly offering black people 'a safe space' to watch some theatre, obviously I bow to Redway as a black person to have his own opinion on this but on this occasion I feel black people are being targeted and not in a nice way

[Crimson Dynamo]

what next a muslim play with big banners saying

NO JEWS

[Oliver_W]

what next a muslim play with big banners saying

NO JEWS

Oh, didn't you hear? Palestinians are the only people to ever have been invaded. And that somehow affects muslims who've never been and have no relatives from there.

[Redway]

Women are the only people who can breastfeed and be mothers, while people of all races have historically been slaves or slave owners at some point.

While modern day slavery is a thing, they're unlikely to be going to see plays.

You don't inherit memories from your ancestors, so history doesn't mean a whole lot on an individual basis.

Unbelievable.

[Redway]

What about Asian people? Or Hispanics? This Theatre is saying it only wants black audiences.

For one night, Mock. They’re welcome to do an Asian or Hispanic night some other time but that’s just not what this is about.

[Oliver_W]

Unbelievable.

Which part don't you believe?

The part about only women being able to be mothers? The grim reality that slavery still exists, even in the UK? Or that memories can't magically be handed down from one person to another?

[Redway]

Which part don't you believe?

The part about only women being able to be mothers? The grim reality that slavery still exists, even in the UK? Or that memories can't magically be handed down from one person to another?

Your attitude and unwavering neutrality’s unbelievable. You being the debater you are will find something to argue about but I’ve said my own. I will never, ever, ever agree with you on subjects like this and I’m cool with that. Our experiences and perspectives are incompatible here. But do you.

[Oliver_W]

Your attitude and unwavering neutrality’s unbelievable. You being the debater you are will find something to argue about but I’ve said my own. I will never, ever, ever agree with you on subjects like this and I’m cool with that. Our experiences and perspectives are incompatible here. But do you.

That's cool. I know there are some things about which we do agree.

I think the uber-privileged types like to pass down their chip, shoulder-to-shoulder; maybe crosses can get passed down too :)

[Redway]

That's cool. I know there are some things about which we do agree.

I think the uber-privileged types like to pass down their chip, shoulder-to-shoulder; maybe crosses can get passed down too :)

Yeah, whatever. I’m not arguing with you about this. I’m too annoyed to even go there with you right now even if I had more vim to carry this on.

[Niamh.]

…I’ve read all of the reasoning of ‘Theatre Black Out…’ performances and as was said earlier in the thread…this isn’t a first, I think that 2019 was the first one so 4 years ago…?…anyway, this is a ‘black story’ written by a ‘black playwright’ and ‘addressing a black audience’ for that input dynamic…?….and because it’s felt that Theatre goers are ‘predominantly white’ audience, this is intended to create or balance that…?…to encourage a black audience into the theatre/theatres…?…so addressing an ‘imbalance’ as perceived, if you like …by creating and deepening an imbalance…by making that imbalance into a divide and divisive thing…?…as well intentioned as it may be, it’s surely very misguided and was obviously always going to be perceived as ‘extreme’…there were ways to do this that weren’t going to pull against any positives it hoped to achieve…many tickets could have been given to black clubs and organisations …it could be looked at as to whether the production could become ‘mobile’ and taken out to those communities also…?…there are ways that would have kept it all ‘about the arts’ and not just fuelling already highly fuelled culture wars that are present in in our modern day world….but this, I think…will just add to a divide that is already extremely concerning….this isn’t addressing, surely…?…it’s aggravating, whether unintentional or not…that was always going to be what we see…

Yes absolutely, it's not good the way race relations are being handled lately. It's almost encouraging segregation again which can not be a good thing.

[smudgie]

.
So, people in a mixed race relationship won’t be able to see it together then.
What exactly is meant by white gaze, is it gazing at the drama on stage or gazing at other theatre goers.
Surely being all inclusive would be more beneficial to all.

[Ammi]

…I think that everything you’ve written and all of your thoughts are very valid and align with the intentions of the Blackout Theatre evenings, Red…:love:…just to add about the play itself, it isn’t set…(…so far as I know…)…in times of historic black slavery…it’s described as a controversial and ground breaking play and is the most Tony nominated play of all time…its description of ‘extraordinary’ covers race, identity and sexuality in 21st century America…so it’s easy to see why the playwright is trying to reach a specific audience also that he doesn’t feel would generally go to any theatre showing….I’m just not sure in todays society with our tabloid media and social media, whether this is the right way and isn’t going to aggravate…as I guess we’re seeing…?…because it’s also about ‘reading the room…’…and finding the right way to achieve what he hopes to…

[Ammi]

.
So, people in a mixed race relationship won’t be able to see it together then.
What exactly is meant by white gaze, is it gazing at the drama on stage or gazing at other theatre goers.
Surely being all inclusive would be more beneficial to all.

…yeah, (…I believe…)…that ‘identify as’ covers mixed race couples also as the play has aspects of that topic also…


…anyway, as I say…my personal leaning is that this isn’t the right way and will only fuel something which is already divided more and more in current times so I’m not ‘defending’ either, just trying to understand all of the reasoning and thought behind it…I’m sure this all wasn’t the intention but it’s the outcome of something that wasn’t really well thought out with other options…

[Crimson Dynamo]

.
So, people in a mixed race relationship won’t be able to see it together then.
What exactly is meant by white gaze, is it gazing at the drama on stage or gazing at other theatre goers.
Surely being all inclusive would be more beneficial to all.

and of course be "being inclusive" you mean like any other normal theatre in the entire world that does not care a hoot what climate-induced skin colouring you have

[Oliver_W]

Yes absolutely, it's not good the way race relations are being handled lately. It's almost encouraging segregation again which can not be a good thing.

I'm sure it won't be long until we're seeing people making positive arguments for there being black sections of the bus, and separate drinking fountains.

[bots]

would blind/sight impaired people be allowed in?

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://repeatingislands.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/marley2.jpg

Essex man Captain Norval Sinclair Marley would not be welcome to attend with his son Robert

:skull:

[Livia]

I find it disturbing that a theatre can attempt to welcome only black people to a performance while at the same time casting black actors in roles clearly meant to be white characters. I saw a film recently where a black Guardsman was cast in Victorian times. The first black man entered the Guards in the 1986 and he had a bloody awful time. Pretending that there were black Guardsmen in Victoria's era is not only an insult to what he went through, it makes unthinking people imagine that it was true and everything was fine back then when the very reverse is true. For some people films will be the only history they ever get. I wonder why black people put up with it and don't demand that their history is not distorted. Casting black actors as members of English society in history is ridiculous, just as ridiculous as casting a Jew or a working class person. You can't have a discussion about this though, or you're racist.

We have some fine black actors in this country and seeing them in roles that are believable is great. But I saw The Mousetrap, about a middle-class group of people set in the 1940s and half the cast were black. I can suspend my disbelief, but not that far.

[bots]

I find it disturbing that a theatre can attempt to welcome only black people to a performance while at the same time casting black actors in roles clearly meant to be white characters. I saw a film recently where a black Guardsman was cast in Victorian times. The first black man entered the Guards in the 1986 and he had a bloody awful time. Pretending that there were black Guardsmen in Victoria's era is not only an insult to what he went through, it makes unthinking people imagine that it was true and everything was fine back then when the very reverse is true. For some people films will be the only history they ever get. I wonder why black people put up with it and don't demand that their history is not distorted. Casting black actors as members of English society in history is ridiculous, just as ridiculous as casting a Jew or a working class person. You can't have a discussion about this though, or you're racist.

We have some fine black actors in this country and seeing them in roles that are believable is great. But I saw The Mousetrap, about a middle-class group of people set in the 1940s and half the cast were black. I can suspend my disbelief, but not that far.


You only need to look at google's AI image generator in action to know what is going on. You can't get it to generate a picture of a white person as that is not inclusive (and they don't even realise the irony of what they are saying)

[Crimson Dynamo]

You only need to look at google's AI image generator in action to know what is going on. You can't get it to generate a picture of a white person as that is not inclusive (and they don't even realise the irony of what they are saying)

Type into Google images - "stock image shoplifter"

:joker:

[Beso]

Type into Google images - "stock image shoplifter"

:joker:

Or mother Theresa fights poverty.:joker:

[DemRed]

Just identify as black on the night.:shrug:

I literally spit my drink at this ^

[arista]

White Folks can go in Alternate days.

The Plays Producer told LBC

[Livia]

Legally, white folks, brown folks, blue folks any colour folks can go any time a performance is selling tickets to the public.

[Mystic Mock]

Not often we agree Mock :laugh:

We might as well enjoy the ocassion.:laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

For one night, Mock. They’re welcome to do an Asian or Hispanic night some other time but that’s just not what this is about.

Fair enough.

I personally believe that it causes more division, but time will tell I suppose.

[arista]

White Folks can go to the Theatre on Thurs and Saturdays
and other days

£32 to get into to see Slave

https://slaveplaylondon.com/your-visit/

[arista]

Legally, white folks, brown folks, blue folks any colour folks can go any time a performance is selling tickets to the public.


Yes they state that
but on the black-only nights
they hope you will not

https://slaveplaylondon.com/your-visit/

[Redway]

This is it.

[Niamh.]

There is an International men's day btw ^^^

[Redway]

I actually kinda take Livia’s point about casting the right actor for the part when skin colour would make a realistic difference but I still can’t not be alright with this particular black-only night.

[Crimson Dynamo]

This is it.

"everyone gets the things they deserve"

and just who dictates what people "deserve"?



absolute nonsense

[Redway]

"everyone gets the things they deserve"

and just who dictates what people "deserve"?



absolute nonsense

You being you wouldn’t exactly say anything else.

[Crimson Dynamo]

You being you wouldn’t exactly say anything else.

note you dont address the actual point

one imagines you cant

[Redway]

note you dont address the actual point

one imagines you cant

You’re here to offer an opinion just like anyone else and that’s fine but there’s only so much I can engage with someone who doesn’t even have the type of purview to hear people out on this one and understand why people might back it up. You drop race-bait as a casual hobby.