What’s your MBTI type?

[Urban Cragou]

For those of us who want a more comprehensive take on the exact psychology of introversion and extroversion beyond certain socialising preferences, let’s plug in and do it here. Theories and resources (some worse than others) abound but I’m going to reference a fair bit of Michael Pierce for his philosophical insight. He’s not perfect and he makes certain less-preferred cognitive functions sound way weaker than they actually are (forgetting that a healthy person of whatever type is fundamentally a normal person) but for the richness of his type-descriptions that’s something that’s worth overlooking.

16personalities.com gets flack for being just another big-5 test and it is but for the sake of the fact that it has easy access to a testing quiz, let’s just ball it out for now. https://www.16personalities.com/free-personality-test

[Urban Cragou]

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6rzdODmcL65kvRx1us3UXkxWclo-LJ_h&si=rloWnMruhuau_QER

And here we have it from Michael Pierce. All the 16 types are in there.

I’m … gonna drop this additional video about ENFPs. A type that’s very misunderstood and badly reflected in the memes. https://youtu.be/l_g41Dsfnak?si=HYvgW26876w1MJ7W

If you need more contemporary references to help work out your type, Cain Dingle is your standard garden-variety ISTP, Jack Rimmer (Waterloo Road) an ESTP and Paddy Bear (and the stereotypical nurse) is ISFJ. Start with that.

[ChristmasNeeve]

INFP

[Urban Cragou]

Nicer way of describing ESTJs: executive. They can be nice people when they’re healthy but as a set type as a whole they’re known for being quite toxic. It’s not always but it’s not exactly a rare thing for them to be seen as a bit inherently unlikeable or annoy people with how much they gossip on people. And someone who takes your personal dignity out of your hands re. stuff you probably don’t even want them to know in the first place and Chinese-whispers it (maybe with some by-the-book logical justification, maybe not) is gonna piss you off sooner or later. Not all ESTJs are like that but the ones who are the stereotypical Reece-from-Recess snitches and gossipers are just another level of poison. People get together and talk and I get that; I really do. But there’s a way to do it without putting someone’s business or what you think is their business on blast and try and justify it by a certain type of ratty logic that forms this integral part of your personality, which means it just keeps happening and people who find them charming keep enabling them. If they’re not careful they’re the sort of people who are on an express-way to eternal condemnation by Dr Ramani (anti-narcissism buff).

[Livia]

Aren't we all a little bit of all the above?

[Urban Cragou]

Let’s get drinking, folks. https://thoughtcatalog.com/heidi-priebe/2015/07/heres-which-alcoholic-drink-you-are-based-on-your-myers-briggs-personality-type/

Aren't we all a little bit of all the above?

Everyone’s a little mixed. Absolutely. I only talk in absolutes when I do for the sake of simplicity.

Some people are dead-set that MBTI-type doesn’t change and you carry the type you were born with no matter how much you change or evolve beyond that but yeah. There are definitely shades and even if the case was definitively proven in personality-psychology bla-bla-bla, it would still only be one part of your personality. People are fundamentally individuals and the complexity of that goes way beyond 16 or 160 boxes.

Everyone’s more than capable of deciding for themselves who’s likeable or unlikeable but there’s too much depth of diversity in human personality for me to write anyone off as 100% one thing or the other or for me to talk out of place about some bugger thinking I know them when I actually don’t or maybe I do know them a little bit but can only go off intuition (which doesn’t always fail me, it has to be said) or little snippets I’ve heard from others. Everyone’s their own person and I respect that by keeping up those unspoken boundaries and letting people stride up as they are, not who I assume them to be. I’m not the one to talk out-of-turn about things or people I don’t know well. I’ll just say what I think but make it clear that my observations and hunches only go so far. Intuition and assumption are two very different things but even at that I just feel like it’s better to have something tangible to go off when it comes to making broad strokes about people beyond trying to align them into a certain box beyond the scope of a certain four-lettered acronym. Especially people who are notoriously quiet and reserved, because still waters run deep. You’re not always going to know what lurks behind the cool demeanour unless you’re one of the people who know them enough to consider them a friend.

Personal taste or distaste is neither here nor there when it comes to deciding who’s inherently good or bad, and at the end of the day none of us are the Yaweh what created ’em. I don’t think it’s on us to ascribe value to anyone based on whether they’re our personal cup of tea or not. Some people just don’t click or vibe and that’s fine. But everyone out there is compatible with someone, as well as incompatible. For everyone who complains when their tea is anything other than slightly unflavoured and piping hot there are three who appreciate well-brewed, moderately hot Earl Grey that you can get into the minute it’s given to you instead of waiting so long to let it cool down. But why pretend or make passive-aggressive underhand comments when you’re given the tea you will not like? You know?

[Braden]

I used to always get ISFP, but now seem to be INFJ :)

[Holly Christmas]

INFP with a bit of ESTJ thrown in. I'm an organiser, I can come across as bossy yet well intentioned.

[Urban Cragou]

I’m a definite INFJ. But one of the shadows of INFJ is ENFP and I’ve been in and out of that shadow-vortex for most of my life.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

people go to uni for this?

[Urban Cragou]

INFP with a bit of ESTJ thrown in. I'm an organiser, I can come across as bossy yet well intentioned.

Quadras (the 4 groups which share the same cognitive functions, just in different orders):

xNFPs and xSTJs
xNFJs and xSTPs
xNTPs and xSFJs
xSFPs and xNTJs

So it adds up. :love:

[thesheriff443]

I couldn’t give a fcuk

Thinking too much is just as bad as not thinking.

We will all be dead soon enough

[Merry Mockmas]

Tbh, I probably have a mix of a few of those personality traits on the poll.

I don't really feel like I'm purely in one camp over the other.

[Ninastar]

I am INFJ

[Merry Mockmas]

I got Logician.

Logicians are an innovative inventors with an unquenchable thirst for knowledge.

73% Introverted 27% Extroverted

Introverted individuals tend to prefer fewer, yet deep and meaningful social interactions, and often feel drawn to calmer environments.

65% Intuitive 35% Observant

Intuitive individuals are very imaginative, open-minded, and curious. They value originality and focus on hidden meanings and distant possibilities.

71% Thinking 29% Feeling

Thinking individuals focus on objectivity and rationality, often dismissing emotions in favour of logic. They tend to see effectiveness as more important than social harmony.

69% Prospecting 31% Judging

Prospecting individuals are very good at improvising and adapting to opportunities. They tend to be flexible nonconformists who value novelty above stability.

72% Turbulent 28% Assertive

Turbulent individuals are self-conscious and sensitive to stress. They feel a sense of urgency in their emotions and tend to be success-driven, perfectionistic, and eager to improve.

Logician Personality:

INTP-A/INTP-T:

People with the INTP personality type (Logicians) pride themselves on their unique perspective and vigorous intellect. They can't help but puzzle over the mysteries of the universe - which may explain why some of the most influential Philosophers and Scientists of all time have been INTP's. People with this personality type tend to prefer solitude, as they can easily become immersed in their thoughts when left to their own devices. They are also incredibly creative and inventive, and they are not afraid to express their novel ways of thinking or to stand out from the crowd.

INTP personalities tend to lose themselves in thought - which isn't necessarily a bad thing. People with this personality type hardly ever stop thinking. From the moment they wake up, their mind buzzes with ideas, questions, and insights. At times, they may even find themselves conducting full-fledged debates in their own heads. And it's not uncommon for them to drift off during conversations. Their mind simply executes a detour to uncharted territories of thought where new ideas are constantly being born.

Imaginative and curious, people with the INTP Personality type can find endless fascination in the workings of their own mind.

From the outside, INTP's may seem to live in a never ending daydream. They have a reputation for being pensive, detached, and a bit reserved. That is, until they actively try to direct all of their mental energy on the moment or the person at hand. But regardless of which mode they're in, INTP's are Introverts and tend to get tired out by extensive socializing. After a long day, they crave time alone to consult their own thoughts.

INTP's cherish their independence and often find themselves most productive during the late evening hours when distractions are kept to a minimum. Even so, it would be a mistake to think that these personalities are unfriendly or uptight. When they connect with someone who can match their mental energy, INTP's absolutely light up, leaping from one thought to another. Few things energize them like the opportunity to swap ideas or enjoy a lively debate with another curious, inquiring soul.

People with the INTP personality type love to analyze patterns. Without necessarily knowing how they do it, they often have a Sherlock Holmes-like knack for spotting discrepancies and irregularities. In other words, it might be a bad idea to lie to someone with this personality type.

Ironically, they shouldn't always be held at their word. INTP's rarely mean to be dishonest, but with their active mind, they sometimes overflow with ideas and theories that they haven't thought through all the way. These personalities may change their mind on anything from their weekend plans to a fundamental moral principal without ever realizing that they'd appeared to have made up their mind in the first place. In addition, they are often happy to play devil's advocate in order to keep an interesting discussion humming along.

For people with the INTP Personality type, the best conversations are like brainstorming sessions, with plenty of room for unconventional thoughts and off-the-wall what-ifs.

INTP's could spend all day musing about ideas and possibilities - and they often do. That said, the practical, everyday work of turning those ideas into reality doesn't always hold their interest. Fortunately, when it comes to dissecting a tricky, multilayered problem and coming up with a creative solution, few personality types can match INTP's creative genius and potential.

People with this personality type want to understand everything in the universe, but one area in particular tends to mystify them: Human nature. As their name suggests, INTP's (a.k.a Logicians) feel most at home in the realm of logic and rationality. As a result, they can find themselves baffled by the illogical, irrational ways that feelings and emotions influence people's behaviour - including their own.

This doesn't mean that INTP's are unfeeling. These personalities generally want to offer emotional support to their friends and loved ones, but they don't necessarily know how. And because they can't decide on the best, most efficient way to offer support, they may hold off on doing or saying anything at all.

This "analysis paralysis" can affect multiple areas of INTP's lives. People with this personality type can overthink even the smallest of decisions. This sometimes makes them feel ineffective and stuck, so exhausted by the endless parade of thoughts in their mind that they struggle to get things done.

The good news is that they don't have to stay stuck for long. Their unique strengths include everything that they need to pull themselves out of the ruts that they occasionally fall into. By leveraging their creativity and their open-mindedness, people with the INTP personality type can reach their full potential - both as thinkers and as happy, well-rounded people.

[Urban Cragou]

I couldn’t give a fcuk

Thinking too much is just as bad as not thinking.

We will all be dead soon enough

Okay.

[Ninastar]

I took the test again and I actually got ENTP :omgno: I do be debating a lot

[Urban Cragou]

I got Logician.

Logicians are an innovative inventors with an unquenchable thirst for knowledge.

73% Introverted 27% Extroverted

Introverted individuals tend to prefer fewer, yet deep and meaningful social interactions, and often feel drawn to calmer environments.

65% Intuitive 35% Observant

Intuitive individuals are very imaginative, open-minded, and curious. They value originality and focus on hidden meanings and distant possibilities.

71% Thinking 29% Feeling

Thinking individuals focus on objectivity and rationality, often dismissing emotions in favour of logic. They tend to see effectiveness as more important than social harmony.

69% Prospecting 31% Judging

Prospecting individuals are very good at improvising and adapting to opportunities. They tend to be flexible nonconformists who value novelty above stability.

72% Turbulent 28% Assertive

Turbulent individuals are self-conscious and sensitive to stress. They feel a sense of urgency in their emotions and tend to be success-driven, perfectionistic, and eager to improve.

Logician Personality:

INTP-A/INTP-T:

People with the INTP personality type (Logicians) pride themselves on their unique perspective and vigorous intellect. They can't help but puzzle over the mysteries of the universe - which may explain why some of the most influential Philosophers and Scientists of all time have been INTP's. People with this personality type tend to prefer solitude, as they can easily become immersed in their thoughts when left to their own devices. They are also incredibly creative and inventive, and they are not afraid to express their novel ways of thinking or to stand out from the crowd.

INTP personalities tend to lose themselves in thought - which isn't necessarily a bad thing. People with this personality type hardly ever stop thinking. From the moment they wake up, their mind buzzes with ideas, questions, and insights. At times, they may even find themselves conducting full-fledged debates in their own heads. And it's not uncommon for them to drift off during conversations. Their mind simply executes a detour to uncharted territories of thought where new ideas are constantly being born.

Imaginative and curious, people with the INTP Personality type can find endless fascination in the workings of their own mind.

From the outside, INTP's may seem to live in a never ending daydream. They have a reputation for being pensive, detached, and a bit reserved. That is, until they actively try to direct all of their mental energy on the moment or the person at hand. But regardless of which mode they're in, INTP's are Introverts and tend to get tired out by extensive socializing. After a long day, they crave time alone to consult their own thoughts.

INTP's cherish their independence and often find themselves most productive during the late evening hours when distractions are kept to a minimum. Even so, it would be a mistake to think that these personalities are unfriendly or uptight. When they connect with someone who can match their mental energy, INTP's absolutely light up, leaping from one thought to another. Few things energize them like the opportunity to swap ideas or enjoy a lively debate with another curious, inquiring soul.

People with the INTP personality type love to analyze patterns. Without necessarily knowing how they do it, they often have a Sherlock Holmes-like knack for spotting discrepancies and irregularities. In other words, it might be a bad idea to lie to someone with this personality type.

Ironically, they shouldn't always be held at their word. INTP's rarely mean to be dishonest, but with their active mind, they sometimes overflow with ideas and theories that they haven't thought through all the way. These personalities may change their mind on anything from their weekend plans to a fundamental moral principal without ever realizing that they'd appeared to have made up their mind in the first place. In addition, they are often happy to play devil's advocate in order to keep an interesting discussion humming along.

For people with the INTP Personality type, the best conversations are like brainstorming sessions, with plenty of room for unconventional thoughts and off-the-wall what-ifs.

INTP's could spend all day musing about ideas and possibilities - and they often do. That said, the practical, everyday work of turning those ideas into reality doesn't always hold their interest. Fortunately, when it comes to dissecting a tricky, multilayered problem and coming up with a creative solution, few personality types can match INTP's creative genius and potential.

People with this personality type want to understand everything in the universe, but one area in particular tends to mystify them: Human nature. As their name suggests, INTP's (a.k.a Logicians) feel most at home in the realm of logic and rationality. As a result, they can find themselves baffled by the illogical, irrational ways that feelings and emotions influence people's behaviour - including their own.

This doesn't mean that INTP's are unfeeling. These personalities generally want to offer emotional support to their friends and loved ones, but they don't necessarily know how. And because they can't decide on the best, most efficient way to offer support, they may hold off on doing or saying anything at all.

This "analysis paralysis" can affect multiple areas of INTP's lives. People with this personality type can overthink even the smallest of decisions. This sometimes makes them feel ineffective and stuck, so exhausted by the endless parade of thoughts in their mind that they struggle to get things done.

The good news is that they don't have to stay stuck for long. Their unique strengths include everything that they need to pull themselves out of the ruts that they occasionally fall into. By leveraging their creativity and their open-mindedness, people with the INTP personality type can reach their full potential - both as thinkers and as happy, well-rounded people.

Nothing wrong with being a perpetual thinker, my man. Get dem cerebral juices flowing, whether it’s about music or Birmingham City. It doesn’t necessarily have to be super-intellectual at all.

[Merry Mockmas]

Nothing wrong with being a perpetual thinker, my man. Get dem cerebral juices flowing, whether it’s about music or Birmingham City. It doesn’t necessarily have to be super-intellectual at all.

Too true, I suppose.:laugh:

I wouldn't have had myself down as a thinker personally, but maybe I'm misunderstanding myself.:joker:

[Urban Cragou]

Too true, I suppose.:laugh:

I wouldn't have had myself down as a thinker personally, but maybe I'm misunderstanding myself.:joker:

The path to fully understanding yourself and all your quirks is lifelong, Mock. Other people might not understand exactly where you’re coming from all the time but the beauty of being your own person (which everyone besides Siamese twins is) is that no-one knows you better than ... you know yourself. Heck, each Siamese twin is still their own person.

Family and friends might know you well but they haven’t actually walked a single minute in your shoes, let-alone a lifetime of however many years/decades. What they don’t know is what it fully feels like to be you every waking second of every day. They don’t know what you might just take to the grave or every thought you have and sometimes you yourself might not be fully aware of the complexity of your thoughts until you stop for a minute and try and break them down.

You can seem so different at some point in your life to people who only knew a few sides of one stage of you but people evolve more often than they actually become completely different people. That sorta characteristic thinking-like side to you might evolve more with time but it doesn’t matter if it doesn’t. It’s not a bad thing at all either way. So long as you keep getting to know yourself and sit with it.

[Merry Mockmas]

The path to fully understanding yourself and all your quirks is lifelong, Mock. Other people might not understand exactly where you’re coming from all the time but the beauty of being your own person (which everyone besides Siamese twins is) is that no-one knows you better than ... you know yourself. Heck, each Siamese twin is still their own person.

Family and friends might know you well but they haven’t actually walked a single minute in your shoes, let-alone a lifetime of however many years/decades. What they don’t know is what it fully feels like to be you every waking second of every day. They don’t know what you might just take to the grave or every thought you have and sometimes you yourself might not be fully aware of the complexity of your thoughts until you stop for a minute and try and break them down.

You can seem so different at some point in your life to people who only knew a few sides of one stage of you but people evolve more often than they actually become completely different people. That sorta characteristic thinking-like side to you might evolve more with time but it doesn’t matter if it doesn’t. It’s not a bad thing at all either way. So long as you keep getting to know yourself and sit with it.

Thanks Redway, I think that I understand what you're saying, and I do agree with you tbh.

[Urban Cragou]

Want a dog?

https://www.romper.com/p/the-dog-breed-you-should-get-based-on-your-myers-briggs-type-8877509

https://www.psychologyjunkie.com/which-dog-breed-fits-your-mbti-type/

[The Human Santapede]

https://i.ibb.co/nmK7MfH/IMG-4468.jpg (https://ibb.co/7C0ntVw)

[Urban Cragou]

https://i.ibb.co/nmK7MfH/IMG-4468.jpg (https://ibb.co/7C0ntVw)

Hmm.

[The Human Santapede]

Hmm.

?

[Urban Cragou]

?

Just not what I had you down as, but then I barely know you. Ignore me.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Just not what I had you down as, but then I barely know you. Ignore me.Exactly what I would have thought about Ben [emoji23]

[bots]

I'm a commander too

[Urban Cragou]

Exactly what I would have thought about Ben [emoji23]

To be fair, you know him a lot better than I do.

[UserSince2005]

whatever dictators usually are.

[Urban Cragou]

whatever dictators usually are.

Oh, get lost. You’re talking silly beggars. Get out.

[user104658]

INTP-A, according to the link.

people go to uni for this?

lol no, this is 100% what you would call "pop psychology". Vastly over-simplified and a "just-for-fun" exercise for a very basic glimpse at some surface personality traits. Maybe a one-day lecture in 1st semester, 1st year psychology to introduce some of the basic concepts.

[Urban Cragou]

INTP-A, according to the link.



lol no, this is 100% what you would call "pop psychology". Vastly over-simplified and a "just-for-fun" exercise for a very basic glimpse at some surface personality traits. Maybe a one-day lecture in 1st semester, 1st year psychology to introduce some of the basic concepts.

1. Big-5 is what’s rightly-called pop psychology. Jungian psychology (including MBTI, and socionics, its more advanced twin) can be very advanced. People get PhDs in the stuff.

2. Why are you even giving LT the time of day when we all know how he trolls? Must you debate with everything and everyone that’s obviously not worth your time/dignify them with serious replies?

[user104658]

1. Big-5 is what’s rightly-called pop psychology. Jungian psychology (including MBTI, and socionics, its more advanced twin) can be very advanced. People get PhDs in the stuff.

2. Why are you even giving LT the time of day when we all know how he trolls? Must you debate with everything and everyone that’s obviously not worth your time/dignify them with serious replies?

I'm not a proponent of the idea that personality type is quantifiable with stats and metrics at all tbf, and online versions of these quizzes are 100% pop psychology. Similarly to IQ tests being flawed, but not entirely without scientific merit, but the ones you'll find on online "test your IQ" sites being purely for a bit of dun/not to be taken seriously in terms of results.

For #2 I only clocked who it was this evening over in SD's and he's been informed that his trash won't be responded to again. As you say, not worth the time nor effort of any response whatsoever.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

A scrabbling redway alliance after common or garden darts exposed him as a bog standard bigot, is peak Tibb

Funny how the stars fall in line for "karma" in such circumstances

[Urban Cragou]

I'm not a proponent of the idea that personality type is quantifiable with stats and metrics at all tbf, and online versions of these quizzes are 100% pop psychology. Similarly to IQ tests being flawed, but not entirely without scientific merit, but the ones you'll find on online "test your IQ" sites being purely for a bit of dun/not to be taken seriously in terms of results.

Online MBTI tests aren’t as serious as the main Jungian-accredited thing, yeah. I did say that. But in general it’s a step above big-5. I’ve never understood why some psychologists (and very eminent psychologists at that) quote big-5 for dear life, like it actually means anything.

[Urban Cragou]

A scrabbling redway alliance after common or garden darts exposed him as a bog standard bigot, is peak Tibb

Funny how the stars fall in line for "karma" in such circumstances

Your trolling is laughably sad.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Your trolling is laughably sad.
Yet all you serve is fear

What are you so scared of?

[Urban Cragou]

Yet all you serve is fear

What are you so scared of?

Only Lordy in heaven knows what you actually stand to gain from this.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Only Lordy in heaven knows what you actually stand to gain from this.

Lordy?

[Urban Cragou]

Lordy?

Yep.

[Urban Cragou]

We got many ISFPs on here?

[Urban Cragou]

https://youtu.be/l_g41Dsfnak?si=m0u44rgokvinWlHR

You may not resonate with the stereotypes of ENFPs (the hyperactive, scatterbrained manic pixie so-and-so) but those stereotypes are a long way off capturing who the true ENFP actually is. Just jumping in with this again.

[Yuki Maru Hoshi]

I am not terribly confident in these tests but I think I had a same result before... INTJ-A

[Urban Cragou]

I am not terribly confident in these tests but I think I had a same result before... INTJ-A

https://youtu.be/km7ga7HON20?si=RT7Tq1vlCy5JkSeQ

Any of this resonate with you? (Go right ahead and speed him up to 1.25x if his talking’s too slow for your liking.)

[Yuki Maru Hoshi]

https://youtu.be/km7ga7HON20?si=RT7Tq1vlCy5JkSeQ

Any of this resonate with you? (Go right ahead and speed him up to 1.25x if his talking’s too slow for your liking.)

I can listen and respond to this when I have a bit more time to respond properly. I've been trying to finish out a game and so not posting so much on TiBB. (I did answer one of your other threads, though...) It's 1am here, currently.

[Yuki Maru Hoshi]

https://youtu.be/km7ga7HON20?si=RT7Tq1vlCy5JkSeQ

Any of this resonate with you? (Go right ahead and speed him up to 1.25x if his talking’s too slow for your liking.)

I feel like I went back to college and am listening to a lecture. Just to the tone and way of speaking, it's so detached from everything else of non-importance.

I would say a lot of it correct... excluding the slideshow of all these mega-geniuses I'm allegedly supposed to be in affinity with :rolleyes:

The way hub & I have always interacted, we both are intellectual-types and listen to a lot of conversations related to thinking. We still talk a lot by text (when we're not together) so have a continuous IM conversation that documents everything. I'm heavily into documenting conversations and also keeping photos and text conversations active so that there is a "thread" I can to go back to. We're always talking about "what this actually means" when covering current events and reconnecting it back to knowledge and experiences we were bestowed when younger.

As for "out there" thinking, while I try to limit my listening to propaganda (because it's corrosive mentally and emotionally), I do try to listen to enough to where it's "useful" to get a flavor of what motivates people who both make the propaganda and also the type of people who listen to it. I'm much more interested in seeing how other people interact than their interactions with me per say. If I find a good "follower" story (people who heavily into something and form a cohesive ideology), I tend to love to follow those to some extent.

Speaking to your other thread about how others might perceive me, I do worry about one thing, that some people might think I'm more involved in myself than what they have to say at times. I think it's just because of how I construct my thinking around observations, so I have to be careful... not to immediately respond to everything "omg you just said Y, I'm very interested in Y!"... without going into an open wikipedia mode with that person.

Anyway, I think if these tests are useful for one thing, they get us to self-diagnose our own neurosis for the enjoyment of others :laugh: So there is that.

[Urban Cragou]

I feel like I went back to college and am listening to a lecture. Just to the tone and way of speaking, it's so detached from everything else of non-importance.

I would say a lot of it correct... excluding the slideshow of all these mega-geniuses I'm allegedly supposed to be in affinity with :rolleyes:

The way hub & I have always interacted, we both are intellectual-types and listen to a lot of conversations related to thinking. We still talk a lot by text (when we're not together) so have a continuous IM conversation that documents everything. I'm heavily into documenting conversations and also keeping photos and text conversations active so that there is a "thread" I can to go back to. We're always talking about "what this actually means" when covering current events and reconnecting it back to knowledge and experiences we were bestowed when younger.

As for "out there" thinking, while I try to limit my listening to propaganda (because it's corrosive mentally and emotionally), I do try to listen to enough to where it's "useful" to get a flavor of what motivates people who both make the propaganda and also the type of people who listen to it. I'm much more interested in seeing how other people interact than their interactions with me per say. If I find a good "follower" story (people who heavily into something and form a cohesive ideology), I tend to love to follow those to some extent.

Speaking to your other thread about how others might perceive me, I do worry about one thing, that some people might think I'm more involved in myself than what they have to say at times. I think it's just because of how I construct my thinking around observations, so I have to be careful... not to immediately respond to everything "omg you just said Y, I'm very interested in Y!"... without going into an open wikipedia mode with that person.

Anyway, I think if these tests are useful for one thing, they get us to self-diagnose our own neurosis for the enjoyment of others :laugh: So there is that.

It also helps take away some of this inherent pathologisation/devaluation of introversion away. We live in a world where social extroversion is often framed as the norm and the converse (introversion) a cause for inherent concern, a social deficit to fix rather than an equally valuable personality-type with (many) advantages as well as drawbacks. Introverts are no more inherently clinically socially anxious, on the autistic spectrum (every cognitive function can correspond to certain Asperger’s-traits anyway), covertly narcissistic, avoidant-personality-disordered, schizoid or incipiently depressed than extraverts are ADHD, communal/grandiose narcissists, on the brink of hypomania, dependent-personality-disordered and so-on. Anyone can be anything but just to play the game of introversion being inherently closer to a clinical concern than extraversion, there are corresponding pathologies for extraversion as a broad social-persona dimension, too. You can, of-course, be both, and things do overlap, but they’re not inherently synonymous. A lot of people see introversion as so inherently unhealthy that they think there must be a clinical reason for it but that’s just a misconception.

Jungian psychology (and other deeper frameworks) also teaches us that if you didn’t have introverts, you wouldn’t have any scientists, writers, counsellors, engineers, philosophers, accountants, strategists, professional chess-players, stoic military-men, poets and so-on. Every personality-type has potential value, but using the reductionist big-5 model (which the guy whose video I linked to you has also spoken against in some detail), introversion doesn’t even get its own chapter, because extraversion is implied as the thing you want and introversion means you’re deficient in it or a neurotic overthinker rather-than holding space for the fact that they’re both equal poles in a continuum that we all have traits of (of both). The fact that no-one’s 100% either-or is another thing that deeper personality frameworks hold space for, whereas in the day-to-day sense of the word people can just see and assess someone by their outward social demeanour (as-if it tells a story of whole personality; even MBTI doesn’t do that) and be like, ‘You’re all-loudmouth. I don’t think you have any traits of being an introvert.’ or ‘You’re super-reclusive and quiet in your disposition. Never seen a trace of being an extravert from you.’ when in reality it’s so much more than that. If someone looks at you and goes “social withdrawal” and your mental health is okay (because obviously social reticence can be clinical, e.g., from depression, social anxiety, schizoid-personality), they’re missing the heart of it.

[Yuki Maru Hoshi]

It also helps take away some of this inherent pathologisation/devaluation of introversion away. We live in a world where social extroversion is often framed as the norm and the converse (introversion) a cause for inherent concern, a social deficit to fix rather than an equally valuable personality-type with (many) advantages as well as drawbacks. Introverts are no more inherently clinically socially anxious, on the autistic spectrum (every cognitive function can correspond to certain Asperger’s-traits anyway), covertly narcissistic, avoidant-personality-disordered, schizoid or incipiently depressed than extraverts are ADHD, communal/grandiose narcissists, on the brink of hypomania, dependent-personality-disordered and so-on. Anyone can be anything but just to play the game of introversion being inherently closer to a clinical concern than extraversion, there are corresponding pathologies for extraversion as a broad social-persona dimension, too. You can, of-course, be both, and things do overlap, but they’re not inherently synonymous. A lot of people see introversion as so inherently unhealthy that they think there must be a clinical reason for it but that’s just a misconception.

Jungian psychology (and other deeper frameworks) also teaches us that if you didn’t have introverts, you wouldn’t have any scientists, writers, counsellors, engineers, philosophers, accountants, strategists, professional chess-players, stoic military-men, poets and so-on. Every personality-type has potential value, but using the reductionist big-5 model (which the guy whose video I linked to you has also spoken against in some detail), introversion doesn’t even get its own chapter, because extraversion is implied as the thing you want and introversion means you’re deficient in it or a neurotic overthinker rather-than holding space for the fact that they’re both equal poles in a continuum that we all have traits of (of both). The fact that no-one’s 100% either-or is another thing that deeper personality frameworks hold space for, whereas in the day-to-day sense of the word people can just see and assess someone by their outward social demeanour (as-if it tells a story of whole personality; even MBTI doesn’t do that) and be like, ‘You’re all-loudmouth. I don’t think you have any traits of being an introvert.’ or ‘You’re super-reclusive and quiet in your disposition. Never seen a trace of being an extravert from you.’ when in reality it’s so much more than that. If someone looks at you and goes “social withdrawal” and your mental health is okay (because obviously social reticence can be clinical, e.g., from depression, social anxiety, schizoid-personality), they’re missing the heart of it.

For what it's worth, I feel kind of firmly wedged inbetween extravert and introvert and the test sort of agreed with that? So I guess I get the best of both worlds? It scored me 53% introverted...

My other scores:

Energy 53% Introverted (vs extraverted)
Mind 73% Intuitive (vs observant)
Nature 60% Thinking (vs feeling)
Tactics 51% Judging (vs Prospecting)
Identity 64% Assertive (vs Turbulent)

[Urban Cragou]

https://www.youtube.com/live/6sYVDjy1Ies?si=2KxKBeLbq6dCnmC1

I’m not massively into socionics (super-advanced MBTI) but this was an interesting discussion. I don’t know if anyone-else might find that, but there it is., I suppose.