Road House 2024/Amazon Prime…

[Ammi]

…a remake of the 1989 Patrick Swayze movie and with Jake Gyllenhaal and featuring Conor McGregor also…it was released yesterday on Amazon Prime, I think…I haven’t read any reviews for it yet but the trailer….


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[Niamh.]

I've actually never watched the original

[Ammi]

I've actually never watched the original

…do you still have Amazon Prime…?…the 1989 original and the current one are both on there and both free to watch…

[Ammi]

…from recollection, the Patrick Swayze original was a good watch…lots of kick ass…

[user104658]

FFS the original is (of course) a classic why have they remade it as incel porn.

[Ammi]

…why do you say that it would be that when it’s a remake…?…

[Kazanne]

I will always love the original,Sam Elliot was amazing and Patrick Swayze What can you say ?

[Niamh.]

Just watched it, Conor McGreger was seriously cringey but it was enjoyable I thought. I must watch the original now too though to compare

[Ammi]

…I’d forgotten that I’d made this thread so I’ll just copy and paste this from the what did you last watch thread…

…Road House 2024…..I didn’t hate it, I worried that I might but I didn’t…I started off really liking it, it felt like a very nostalgic movie and the setting location made me want to go to live in the Florida Keys…(…although I don’t think it was filmed there…)…and Jake Gyllenhaal gave the vibe that he was just having a great fun time…but it didn’t really quite gel with its storyline and characters, I didn’t feel…it was like bits all joined together but with, I don’t know…an awkward fit…it wasn’t smooth, it didn’t flow…it just lept and jumped from scene to scene and it felt as though it was missing any hmmmm….soul, I guess….anyways, though…I didn’t hate it and I did like some bits of it…the fight scenes were quite brutal but well co-ordinated and choreographed…I don’t know if Conor McGregor himself had any part in the fight choreography …the beginning was enjoyable, the ending was ok and the middle went off a bit…but I’d still say around 6/10 and not a bad way to spend a little while…

[Vanessa]

Just watched it, Conor McGreger was seriously cringey but it was enjoyable I thought. I must watch the original now too though to compare

I love the original and it has Sam Elliott as well as Patrick Swayze.

[Niamh.]

I love the original and it has Sam Elliott as well as Patrick Swayze.

Yeah I love a bit of Patrick Swayze, surprised I never watched it back in the 80's/90's

[Vanessa]

Yeah I love a bit of Patrick Swayze, surprised I never watched it back in the 80's/90's
It's actually one of my favorites of his movies. Just so much fun!

[Niamh.]

It's actually one of my favorites of his movies. Just so much fun!

I'm going to see if I can find it somewhere to watch later :love:

[Ammi]

…the Patrick Swayze version is also streaming on Amazon Prime atm, Niamh….I'm going to give it a rewatch as well…I just didn’t want to do that before watching this version as I didn’t want to compare as such ….

[Ammi]

…do you still have Amazon Prime…?…the 1989 original and the current one are both on there and both free to watch…

… oh I said that already actually…:laugh:….

[Niamh.]

…the Patrick Swayze version is also streaming on Amazon Prime atm, Niamh….I'm going to give it a rewatch as well…I just didn’t want to do that before watching this version as I didn’t want to compare as such ….

… oh I said that already actually…:laugh:….

I don't have Prime atm unfortunately but I may have another way to watch it, I'll check later

[user104658]

The realistic version of this film would feature him getting stabbed in the belly on his second night as a bouncer, and spending the rest of the movie in hospital with a life-altering serious abdominal wound. Or dead :joker:.

[Niamh.]

The realistic version of this film would feature him getting stabbed in the belly on his second night as a bouncer, and spending the rest of the movie in hospital with a life-altering serious abdominal wound. Or dead :joker:.

Or the thug guys would have just burned the pub down :laugh: But ssshhh you :nono:

[Ammi]

….0i, keep your real world in SD…!!!!!..any real life is purely fictional and entirely kick ass guilty pleasure…

[user104658]

….0i, keep your real world in SD…!!!!!..any real life is purely fictional and entirely kick ass guilty pleasure…

To be fair Ammi I'm usually happy to suspend disbelief but I just find droopy Jake Gyllenhaal beating up gang after gang of coked-up MMA thugs a stretch too far :joker:. It's fine when they have super-powers or something but when it's just some "really well trained" bloke? It's too much! :joker:

I feel the same about the John Wick movies. Keanu as Neo effortlessly kung-fu-ing wave after wave of villains? That's fine he is after all The One. But Keanu as just... some ex hitman... who is super skilled buy just some guy? I can't buy it! He would be dead in 10 minutes!

[Niamh.]

To be fair Ammi I'm usually happy to suspend disbelief but I just find droopy Jake Gyllenhaal beating up gang after gang of coked-up MMA thugs a stretch too far :joker:. It's fine when they have super-powers or something but when it's just some "really well trained" bloke? It's too much! :joker:

I feel the same about the John Wick movies. Keanu as Neo effortlessly kung-fu-ing wave after wave of villains? That's fine he is after all The One. But Keanu as just... some ex hitman... who is super skilled buy just some guy? I can't buy it! He would be dead in 10 minutes!

Don't you come for John Wick :oh:

[bots]

i watched 1 john wick film for about 10 mins, and gave up on the whole thing :laugh:

[Niamh.]

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[Vanessa]

I watched it at the cinema when it came out. Brilliant.

[Niamh.]

… oh I said that already actually…[emoji23]….I got another 7 day trial so I'll watch it tonight

[Ammi]

I got another 7 day trial so I'll watch it tonight

…we love 7 day free trials…:flutter:…

[Niamh.]

So i watched the original last night, it honestly felt like it was a completely different film to the remake. The plot was a little bit more believable for it's time and Dalton seemed more like a 3 dimensional character in the original I thought. The original seemed more like a character/plot driven story to the remake where it felt more like the characters and plot line was there to accommodate the fight and actions scenes. The one thing I didn't love about the original was the female characters and how women were portrayed in it, very background, decorative, boob shot people. It was of it's time I suppose though.

Anyway, i'm not really sure which I preferred, like I said they felt like completely different films rather than an original and a remake, I liked them both for different reasons

[Mystic Mock]

So i watched the original last night, it honestly felt like it was a completely different film to the remake. The plot was a little bit more believable for it's time and Dalton seemed more like a 3 dimensional character in the original I thought. The original seemed more like a character/plot driven story to the remake where it felt more like the characters and plot line was there to accommodate the fight and actions scenes. The one thing I didn't love about the original was the female characters and how women were portrayed in it, very background, decorative, boob shot people. It was of it's time I suppose though.

Anyway, i'm not really sure which I preferred, like I said they felt like completely different films rather than an original and a remake, I liked them both for different reasons

There's nothing wrong with that imo.:wink:

Tbf, I haven't watched either version, but I do like Jake Gyllenhaal, and I did like some of Patrick Swayze's Films.

[Niamh.]

There's nothing wrong with that imo.:wink:

Tbf, I haven't watched either version, but I do like Jake Gyllenhaal, and I did like some of Patrick Swayze's Films.

Yes but as long as that's not the only purpose of the female characters in a film, but it was the 80's, I think film has gotten a lot better in recent years for fleshing out it's female characters, thankfully

[Niamh.]

Actually, I'm going to say I preferred the remake, that's probably an unpopular opinion but it was more fun and I enjoyed the fight scenes more

[Vanessa]

Actually, I'm going to say I preferred the remake, that's probably an unpopular opinion but it was more fun and I enjoyed the fight scenes more
Haven't seen the new one, but just love the original one. Yes it's an old movie, but Patrick and Sam Elliott :lovedup:

[Niamh.]

Haven't seen the new one, but just love the original one. Yes it's an old movie, but Patrick and Sam Elliott :lovedup:

The new one is very different, you'd barely realise it was a remake if they said nothing and gave it a different name imo, you should give it a watch if you have prime and tell what you think

[Ammi]

…I didn’t mind the remake, it was quite fun because it wasn’t a serious storyline …but I don’t recall lots of detail with the original…/…as in any differences …I do recall, though that the bar owner in the original was male…(…I think…)…and that changed to female for the remake…2024 has realised that WOMEN CAN BE BAR OWNERS TOO…not just be offered to have someone grope them in bars for $20….:laugh:….

[Niamh.]

…I didn’t mind the remake, it was quite fun because it wasn’t a serious storyline …but I don’t recall lots of detail with the original…/…as in any differences …I do recall, though that the bar owner in the original was male…(…I think…)…and that changed to female for the remake…2024 has realised that WOMEN CAN BE BAR OWNERS TOO…not just be offered to have someone grope them in bars for $20….:laugh:….

Pretty much all the actual characters in the original were male bar the Dr he had the relationship with and the bar maid played by a very young looking Patricia Arquette

[Vanessa]

…I didn’t mind the remake, it was quite fun because it wasn’t a serious storyline …but I don’t recall lots of detail with the original…/…as in any differences …I do recall, though that the bar owner in the original was male…(…I think…)…and that changed to female for the remake…2024 has realised that WOMEN CAN BE BAR OWNERS TOO…not just be offered to have someone grope them in bars for $20….:laugh:….

I love Jake Gyllenhaal, so I would probably like the new one as well.
But for me nothing beats Patrick Swayze in kick ass mode :laugh:

[Vanessa]

Another great one is Point Break.
Patrick was so good as the bas guy.

[Niamh.]

I love Jake Gyllenhaal, so I would probably like the new one as well.
But for me nothing beats Patrick Swayze in kick ass mode :laugh:

The fight scenes were much better in the remake and Jake is in serious shape

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[Vanessa]

The fight scenes were much better in the remake and Jake is in serious shape

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Patrick was hot in the original and so is Jake. I've always fancied him :fan:

[Niamh.]

Another great one is Point Break.
Patrick was so good as the bas guy.

Oh yeah love Point Break, now there's a film where the remake was absolutely awful and paled in comparison to the original

[Ammi]

…Jake Gyllenhaal was quite handy because he generally got them to medical help quickly after he broke their bones or worse…he let them know that they’d be ok…(…unless they wouldn’t be ok…)…

[Niamh.]

…Jake Gyllenhaal was quite handy because he generally got them to medical help quickly after he broke their bones or worse…he let them know that they’d be ok…(…unless they wouldn’t be ok…)…

:laugh:

[Ammi]

…I liked it because he just seemed to be having fun himself…although it was obviously quite a physical role ….so fairly much hard-ish work and tough going…was that physique just for the role or is that his general self…is he always that level of body fitness…?…it was so perfect that I thought maybe it was computer generated or drawn onto his torso…:laugh:…

[Niamh.]

…I liked it because he just seemed to be having fun himself…although it was obviously quite a physical role ….so fairly much hard-ish work and tough going…was that physique just for the role or is that his general self…is he always that level of body fitness…?…it was so perfect that I thought maybe it was computer generated or drawn onto his torso…:laugh:…

I saw an interview with him and I think he did a lot of work for it, specific training and diet to get that shape to look like a Martial artist. He was in a film where he was a boxer, Southpaw a few years back and he was in great shape for that too but he looked like a boxer rather than an MMA fighter, so there's obviously differences for the type of physique he was going for

[Vanessa]

I saw an interview with him and I think he did a lot of work for it, specific training and diet to get that shape to look like a Martial artist. He was in a film where he was a boxer, Southpaw a few years back and he was in great shape for that too but he looked like a boxer rather than an MMA fighter, so there's obviously differences for the type of physique he was going for
He's a great actor as well and really quite method in his approach.

[Niamh.]

He's a great actor as well and really quite method in his approach.

I suppose it'd be nice to get paid to get in shape though :laugh:

[Ammi]

I saw an interview with him and I think he did a lot of work for it, specific training and diet to get that shape to look like a Martial artist. He was in a film where he was a boxer, Southpaw a few years back and he was in great shape for that too but he looked like a boxer rather than an MMA fighter, so there's obviously differences for the type of physique he was going for

…yeah, his shape/physique and Patrick Swayze’s were quite different, I thought…but I don’t know which was ‘more accurate’ to an MMA fighter…

[Vanessa]

I found Point Break on YouTube. Will watch it later :dance:

[Vanessa]

…yeah, his shape/physique and Patrick Swayze’s were quite different, I thought…but I don’t know which was ‘more accurate’ to an MMA fighter…
Patrick looked amazing on that movie. Different shape but still :flutter:

[Ammi]

He's a great actor as well and really quite method in his approach.

…I watched him in a film recently called Ambulance…I don’t know if you’ve seen it, Vanessa…?…but I liked him a lot in that role…

[Vanessa]

…I watched him in a film recently called Ambulance…I don’t know if you’ve seen it, Vanessa…?…but I liked him a lot in that role…

Don't think I've seen that. But he's one of my favorite actors. He's so good.

[Ammi]

Patrick looked amazing on that movie. Different shape but still :flutter:

…I always think of him as having a dancer physique, rather than a fighting one…but he did train as a dancer, didn’t he…and of course, Dirty Dancing…:love:..

[Vanessa]

…I always think of him as having a dancer physique, rather than a fighting one…but he did train as a dancer, didn’t he…and of course, Dirty Dancing…:love:..

Yes, he was a dancer. Had a dancer's body. But great actor as well. So versatile.

[Vanessa]

We should bring back the movie club. :blush:

[Ammi]

We should bring back the movie club. :blush:

…yeah for sure, we can do that…I’m happy with any movie that we can all access…/…stream…to movie watches at any time…

[Niamh.]

…yeah, his shape/physique and Patrick Swayze’s were quite different, I thought…but I don’t know which was ‘more accurate’ to an MMA fighter…

Definitely Jakes, Patrick Swayzes version of Dalton wasn't an MMA fighter though, he was supposed to be a Black belt in Karate

[Niamh.]

We should bring back the movie club. :blush:

…yeah for sure, we can do that…I’m happy with any movie that we can all access…/…stream…to movie watches at any time…

I'm in :love:

[Vanessa]

Definitely Jakes, Patrick Swayzes version of Dalton wasn't an MMA fighter though, he was supposed to be a Black belt in Karate

Patrick Swayze did do martial arts as well as the dancing.

[Ammi]

Definitely Jakes, Patrick Swayzes version of Dalton wasn't an MMA fighter though, he was supposed to be a Black belt in Karate

….ahhh, of course …and Patrick Swayze’s physique did have shades of Bruce Lee…/…martial arts trained…

[Niamh.]

Patrick Swayze did do martial arts as well as the dancing.

Yeah they said he was a Black belt in Karate

[Vanessa]

Yeah they said he was a Black belt in Karate

And he did all his own stunts :flutter:

[Ammi]

I'm in :love:

…I’ll look to doing a thread in the next few days for hopefully others, also…and we can all be looking at any movies to suggest from Netflix…?…I’m not sure if that’s the only streaming site that all can access…

[Vanessa]

…I’ll look to doing a thread in the next few days for hopefully others, also…and we can all be looking at any movies to suggest from Netflix…?…I’m not sure if that’s the only streaming site that all can access…

I don't have Netflix :sad:

[Ammi]

I don't have Netflix :sad:

…what do you have, Vanessa …?…and we’ll have to have a think about how we can all watch …?…

[Mystic Mock]

Yes but as long as that's not the only purpose of the female characters in a film, but it was the 80's, I think film has gotten a lot better in recent years for fleshing out it's female characters, thankfully

Being serious I agree with you really, characters shouldn't be there solely for their looks.

I do think modern Media might want to tap into that market a little bit more than they currently are though, and I think they won't do it because they seem to be scared that they'll be seen as misogynistic by some people, if they have attractive women in Films, TV, and especially Video Games made in the West.

Now that's not to say that there aren't attractive women in Entertainment, I mean straight away I can think of Rebecca Ferguson, Scarlett Johansson, Margot Robbie, and the Actress that plays Yennefer on The Witcher TV Series, but fiction that has those Actresses in them, aren't really playing on their attractiveness (which tbf is a good thing in some ways,) but it's the whole "averting the male gaze" arguments from Hollywood that I think pisses me off more than anything, because guys are still allowed to be sexualized, and according to Hollywood I would be seen as an "Incel" for pointing that particular hypocrisy out, which is absurd as I despise Incels, but I know that's the argument they'd make.

But I do think that market research shows that a bit of shallow casting does help make a product more commercially successful.

Like for example, not as many people would've watched Titanic if the two leads looked like Wayne Rooney & Susan Boyle (no offense intended for Susan Boyle, Rooney I'm still a little bitter at lol,) but that's my view on how that Film became a juggernaut success.

Apologies for the rant, I had to get that off my chest.:laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

I don't have Netflix :sad:

You could always explore other methods.

[user104658]

Being serious I agree with you really, characters shouldn't be there solely for their looks.

I do think modern Media might want to tap into that market a little bit more than they currently are though, and I think they won't do it because they seem to be scared that they'll be seen as misogynistic by some people, if they have attractive women in Films, TV, and especially Video Games made in the West.

Now that's not to say that there aren't attractive women in Entertainment, I mean straight away I can think of Rebecca Ferguson, Scarlett Johansson, Margot Robbie, and the Actress that plays Yennefer on The Witcher TV Series, but fiction that has those Actresses in them, aren't really playing on their attractiveness (which tbf is a good thing in some ways,) but it's the whole "averting the male gaze" arguments from Hollywood that I think pisses me off more than anything, because guys are still allowed to be sexualized, and according to Hollywood I would be seen as an "Incel" for pointing that particular hypocrisy out, which is absurd as I despise Incels, but I know that's the argument they'd make.

But I do think that market research shows that a bit of shallow casting does help make a product more commercially successful.

Like for example, not as many people would've watched Titanic if the two leads looked like Wayne Rooney & Susan Boyle (no offense intended for Susan Boyle, Rooney I'm still a little bitter at lol,) but that's my view on how that Film became a juggernaut success.

Apologies for the rant, I had to get that off my chest.:laugh:

It's not necessarily hypocrisy because it's not like-for-like and there's no direct comparison - there's a risk of veering into being exploitative with sexualisation of women that doesn't exist with men. There's a different power dynamic and usually the sexualisation of male characters is intended to be subversive. I'd be wary of drawing the direct comparison. Sexualisation of men (USUALLY) doesn't carry the same inherent threat of control and violence. ANd of course, the historical context is entirely different.

That said there is and should be plenty of room for movies to "be sexy" without being exploitative. The issue there of course is that it's often going to come down to the skill level of the writers and director.