the ANTI Fern Brigade

[elliebrew]

OMG the deliberate mis representation of a lovely woman on here is sickening. I forgot how much it annoyed me when this happened. Fern lost both parents and her marriage in a short space of time and has been out of the public eye for a few years. Coming back is bound to be emotional for her.

She's been fair, fun, calm, supportive, open and honest. A thoroughly lovely decent woman and people are STILL picking holes in her

Ive worked in tv industry for 20 years. Not one person has a bad word to say about her.

The backlash here astonishing

Stop trying to paint her into a villain corner! Its despicable

[Mystic Mock]

It's the name of the game unfortunately.

Sometimes decent people can get torn apart by some of the public on Reality TV, if it means that their personal favourite ends up winning instead.

Big Brother can in particular be bad for tribalism in the fandom, I still remember the Lewis F year where apparently everyone else was wrong, and he was right 100% of the time in every argument.

Basically my point being that I wouldn't take it to heart about any negative opinions on Fern, as it's more than likely one of two things happening.

1. Strategic attacks from opposition fans to dishearten Fern fans from voting for her to win.

Or 2. Some of her detractors just don't understand her personality very well.

Because Fern doesn't strike me as the type to be malevolent.

[arista]

[Ive worked in tv industry for 20 years. Not one person has a bad word to say about her.

The backlash here astonishing

Stop trying to paint her into a villain corner! Its despicable]


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Good she did not go last night

[smudgie]

Here for Fern all the way.
She is the one getting them to play all the games, having fun.
Compassionate lady with a good streak of mischief in her.
Waste of time anybody trying to hoodwink her as she is really on the ball.

[OnTheRight]

She is so boring.

[Ray.]

She is so boring.

:laugh:

That's really all that needs to be said. I don't hate the woman or anything. I even thought people were taking her OF joke the wrong way and blowing it completely out of proportion. I doubt there are many people on this forum who feel strongly strongly enough about her to even so much as dislike her. She's just incredibly dull and I don't think keeping her in was worth the expense of losing more entertaining HMs like Lauren and Ekin-Su.

[rusticgal]

She is so boring.



She has played a bigger part in the series than the likes of Nikita, Coulson, Bradley and David.....these lads however nice they are I really dont know any more about them from the day they walked in.

Fern is lovely and she has been opinionated...she is just a lovely lady and although I don't think she will win...she is my winner by far.

[Ray.]

That's something I'll half-agree with in her defence: she is definitely more interesting and less annoying than Bradley and Nikita. Nikita needing constant reassurance for about five solid minutes last night was perhaps the single most annoying thing any HM has done all series imo.

[OnTheRight]

She has played a bigger part in the series than the likes of Nikita, Coulson, Bradley and David.....these lads however nice they are I really know any more about them from the day they walked in.

Fern is lovely and she has been opinionated...she is just a lovely lady and although I don't think she will win...she is my winner by far.

They are boring too.
The whole series has been pretty crap. It's only Louis, ZeZe and Ekin who have made it worth watching. Once Louis and Zeze go the final few days will be and absolute borefest full of dullness and fake tears.

[OnTheRight]

:laugh:

That's really all that needs to be said. I don't hate the woman or anything. I even thought people were taking her OF joke the wrong way and blowing it completely out of proportion. I doubt there are many people on this forum who feel strongly strongly enough about her to even so much as dislike her. She's just incredibly dull and I don't think keeping her in was worth the expense of losing more entertaining HMs like Lauren and Ekin-Su.

Absolutely agree.

[Zizu]

Fake foliage… fake Fern


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[Kazanne]

OMG the deliberate mis representation of a lovely woman on here is sickening. I forgot how much it annoyed me when this happened. Fern lost both parents and her marriage in a short space of time and has been out of the public eye for a few years. Coming back is bound to be emotional for her.

She's been fair, fun, calm, supportive, open and honest. A thoroughly lovely decent woman and people are STILL picking holes in her

Ive worked in tv industry for 20 years. Not one person has a bad word to say about her.

The backlash here astonishing

Stop trying to paint her into a villain corner! Its despicable

I loved that Fern had Ekin Sues number from the start a very astute person I think,nothing wrong with being emotional it shows you care.She was supportive to Marrissa after she got so upset over the noms she has joined in all the tasks and mixed with them all the housemates seem to love her apart from Ekin Sue and Louis but think Louis could be winding people up, she has a lovely kind face and I see nothing to dislike so far, as for noms ,lol, bang on.

[Vanessa]

I just find her boring.

[Beso]

Shes not boring.

People mistake niceness for boring all the time. Dont feel bad.

[HettyLip]

OMG the deliberate mis representation of a lovely woman on here is sickening. I forgot how much it annoyed me when this happened. Fern lost both parents and her marriage in a short space of time and has been out of the public eye for a few years. Coming back is bound to be emotional for her.

She's been fair, fun, calm, supportive, open and honest. A thoroughly lovely decent woman and people are STILL picking holes in her

Ive worked in tv industry for 20 years. Not one person has a bad word to say about her.

The backlash here astonishing

Stop trying to paint her into a villain corner! Its despicable


Your loaded and entirely subjective appraisal of 'saintly' Fern', couched in the emotive detritus of invoking the death of her parents and the divorce
from her second husband as a sop to the gullible .suggests a self-inflicted blindness to what others may see.
If the Fern which you depict as piety incarnate or, indeed, the embodiment of the holly trinity, is indeed a trestament to purity, what on Earth is she doing amidst the pubicity seekers in the BB house. Should she not, more properly, be whiling away the hours in a convent in a distant land, far away from the temptations of big paydays for mixing with the bourgeoisie in the BB house or, like all the other witlings, courting publicity and the acclaim of the masses. Perhaps she was given the wrong directions for getting to the convent Nirvana high up in the Himalayas and ended up in the money-spinning BB house by the purest of chances?

Your gushing claim that she is "fair, fun, calm, supportive, open and honest. A thoroughly lovely decent woman and people are STILL picking holes in her" is risible. She is supportive only of those she deems to represeent no threat to her. To the younger and moderatively attractive Ekin Su her conduct was conspicuous by the absence of all of the qualities you attribute to her. She put he boot in whenever she could - slyly, silently and wth the skill of an assassin who has honed her craft during years of service in the backbiting tv industry.
.In spite of the observations above, I have nothing against the old crow, but I decline to don tinted glasses when observing her occasonally remarkably underhanded antics n the house.

[Beso]

Shes just playing the game..

[rusticgal]

I wish people could tell me what the rest of them have done that makes them more entertaining (apart from Louis)….I mean the most I have seen from the boys are them licking each others elbows…

[Vanessa]

I wish people could tell me what the rest of them have done that makes them more entertaining (apart from Louis)….I mean the most I have seen from the boys are them licking each others elbows…

I'm supporting Louis. Yes most of them are rather dull.

[Gusto Brunt]

She is so boring.

Well after nominating Ekin-Su, boring Fern is now the best thing since sliced bread.

Apparently.

[bots]

there are no drama queens in the season (with the possible exception of David) No one is providing that aspect that is usually a feature of BB. The worst louis has done are a few less than diplomatic quips. So why is Fern being singled out?

[Jordan.]

Showed her true colours with her deeply personal nomination of Ekin-Su. Wicked lady.

[Mystic Mock]

I wish people could tell me what the rest of them have done that makes them more entertaining (apart from Louis)….I mean the most I have seen from the boys are them licking each others elbows…

:yuk:

This group is foul.

[Garfie]

The truth is, though, that merely having a different interpretation or opinion about a housemate is not hatred or targeting. It is just a different perception, and who can say who is right or wrong, as no-one can get inside a housemate’s head and truly know the motives for their words, actions and behaviours.

This is why opinions should be presented as merely opinions, rather than facts. Just because someone chooses to state a point of view is correct, it doesn’t mean it is.

[Kazanne]

The truth is, though, that merely having a different interpretation or opinion about a housemate is not hatred or targeting. It is just a different perception, and who can say who is right or wrong, as no-one can get inside a housemate’s head and truly know the motives for their words, actions and behaviours.

This is why opinions should be presented as merely opinions, rather than facts. Just because someone chooses to state a point of view is correct, it doesn’t mean it is.

Good post Garfie, we like (dislike) people for different reasons.

[Mystic Mock]

The truth is, though, that merely having a different interpretation or opinion about a housemate is not hatred or targeting. It is just a different perception, and who can say who is right or wrong, as no-one can get inside a housemate’s head and truly know the motives for their words, actions and behaviours.

This is why opinions should be presented as merely opinions, rather than facts. Just because someone chooses to state a point of view is correct, it doesn’t mean it is.

Fair post imo.

[HettyLip]

The truth is, though, that merely having a different interpretation or opinion about a housemate is not hatred or targeting. It is just a different perception, and who can say who is right or wrong, as no-one can get inside a housemate’s head and truly know the motives for their words, actions and behaviours.

This is why opinions should be presented as merely opinions, rather than facts. Just because someone chooses to state a point of view is correct, it doesn’t mean it is.

Perceptions do, indeed, differ, Carfie, but ultimately there is only one truth.

To quote Soren Kierkegaard
"There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true;
the other is to refuse to believe what is true"

[Cherie]

I am not anti Fern but she isn't quite the angel she is being made out to be, she has stepped up recently so lets see how it all pans out now that protagonist is out of the house, if she starts picking on Louis, she will have me to deal with though

[Ammi]

…just slightly off topic but I don’t know if anyone has read any of her fictions…?..I might give one a whirl, tbh….

‘Her books are cherished for their warmth, wit and wisdom, and have won Fern legions of loyal readers….’….

[Ray.]

I am not anti Fern but she isn't quite the angel she is being made out to be,

Nor Marisha!

[jet]

Fern isn't that exciting, granted, but she offers more than the young fella's do. :shrug:

[Vanessa]

We all have our favorites.

[rusticgal]

…just slightly off topic but I don’t know if anyone has read any of her fictions…?..I might give one a whirl, tbh….

‘Her books are cherished for their warmth, wit and wisdom, and have won Fern legions of loyal readers….’….


I read her autobiography….

[Ray.]

We all have our favorites.

Yeah, it shouldn't take someone long to understand that talking to certain users about certain housemates is simply a lost cause sometimes :laugh:

[OnTheRight]

I read her autobiography….

I bet that was riveting. :joker:

[Ammi]

I read her autobiography….

…I don’t know anything about her life tbh…but her fiction books seem to some quite good reviews, I’m not sure what genre that are, though…

[Garfie]

there are no drama queens in the season (with the possible exception of David) No one is providing that aspect that is usually a feature of BB. The worst louis has done are a few less than diplomatic quips. So why is Fern being singled out?

I think it’s quite refreshing to have an alternative set of people, rather than the usual predictable groupings.

I don’t believe anyone hates Fern or believes her to be a bad person, but are just discussing her character flaws, something she has just like any other housemate in there. To me, comments about her, are not her being singled out, but the recognition that she - just like all the others - isn’t perfect either.

I don’t dislike Fern, but she doesn’t particularly appeal to me, as I find her the least interesting to watch. I guess responses to housemates all comes down to personal preference and those we are drawn to or not. We don’t all like the same people in real life, and we aren’t all going to like the same housemates.

[Garfie]

Perceptions do, indeed, differ, Carfie, but ultimately there is only one truth.

To quote Soren Kierkegaard
"There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true;
the other is to refuse to believe what is true"

I love your responses, Hetty Lip, and the quote is great, but i feel that life is often a matter of perception, and being only human, we can interpret the truth differently, as no-one can stand outside themselves and all the experiences and influences they have had.

Sometimes, I think there is no truth but only perception, so in fact, there can be numerous ‘truths’. Reality and perception is such a fascinating concept.

[Ammi]

…I think for me with Fern, I neither like her or dislike her…she’s someone who I was less familiar with when she went into the house in terms of watching her shows…/…her TV work etc../…her celebrity…and I feel as though that hasn’t changed very much through her time there…she seems to be someone who is ‘holding back’ quite a bit…I mean, maybe they all are but Fern for me seems noticing so because she’s made comments about them all being great people and attaching to them etc…but when she gave her reasons for nominating Ekin-Su, it felt like a release of a lot of negative things…she really had been holding on to some stuff that wasn’t ’great people’ stuff so she’s holding back on things that would help us to get to know her and that’s an essence of BB…?…snyesy, I don’t dislike her, I’ve seen nothing to dislike particularly…but that’s it, really…I’ve seen very little and would have liked to see more…we watch BB to get to know people/housemates…so ‘guarded’ doesn’t really give us very much at all…

[Ammi]

…anyway, in terms of house/group dynamics, Fern has most definitely held more interest and provided more talking points than some of the others…

[Mystic Mock]

Fern isn't that exciting, granted, but she offers more than the young fella's do. :shrug:

Well, unless you want to see them lick each other's armpits anyway.:yuk:

[Ammi]

…I have to say that although I don’t feel as though I know her character any more than when she went in the house… I do feel that she’s someone who deserves to be in the final…

[elliebrew]

She is so boring.

Can I ask what the likes of Nikita and Bradley have done that Fern hasn't that is oh so entertaining?

[Zizu]

Can I ask what the likes of Nikita and Bradley have done that Fern hasn't that is oh so entertaining?


They have been genuine as opposed to being disingenuous ( Fern ) imho ( and many others)


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[Gusto Brunt]

I noticed in last night's 'highlights' she showed more of her true self when she said this was the shi****t day.

[rusticgal]

They have been genuine as opposed to being disingenuous ( Fern ) imho ( and many others)


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What have they done to show they are more genuine...because they really have done nothing!!

[Bronzo]

Fern comes across as fake to me, disingenuous. I think others in the house have seen it also, she is often nominated.

[rusticgal]

Fern comes across as fake to me, disingenuous. I think others in the house have seen it also, she is often nominated.


She gets nominated because she is an easy pick who won’t take offence…

[Zizu]

She gets nominated because she is an easy pick who won’t take offence…


Pretty sure she will


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[Garfie]

They have been genuine as opposed to being disingenuous ( Fern ) imho ( and many others)


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I agree with your opinion.

[OnTheRight]

And here she is......crying again.
God, I hope she goes tomorrow.

[Cherie]

She was pretty brutal when she thought she was evicting Louis..... not even a second thought on it ....and he didn't nominate her ...thinks she is a friend..yikes

[Zizu]

And here she is......crying again.
God, I hope she goes tomorrow.


Going for the sympathy vote .. so predictable


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[Zizu]

I’ve gonna split my vote between Marisha and Zeze to try and get Fern out


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[Benjamin]

I’ve gonna split my vote between Marisha and Zeze to try and get Fern out


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You’d be better putting them on Zeze only. I don’t think Marisha stands a chance unfortunately.

[elliebrew]

Every single time this happens

It happened with Rachel in BB9

The genuinley nice hosuemate gets accused of being a nasty game player and the hyperbole
Of crap that gets written about them sends me loopy

Let’s not lie that Fern is fake. You may feel uncomfortable with tears and vulnerability but don’t be that person that calls it fake

It’s disgusting tbh

[Zizu]

Every single time this happens

It happened with Rachel in BB9

The genuinley nice hosuemate gets accused of being a nasty game player and the hyperbole
Of crap that gets written about them sends me loopy

Let’s not lie that Fern is fake. You may feel uncomfortable with tears and vulnerability but don’t be that person that calls it fake

It’s disgusting tbh


She’s as fake as any politician you care to mention- she’s that bad at hiding it


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[Vanessa]

You’d be better putting them on Zeze only. I don’t think Marisha stands a chance unfortunately.

Yes I'm saving Zeze. Not keen on the others nominated.

[elliebrew]

She’s as fake as any politician you care to mention- she’s that bad at hiding it


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I think you’re trying to get a rise out of me.

I don’t believe that’s your genuine opinion

[Vanessa]

Her and Louis have actually become godo friends. I love that :laugh:

[Garfie]

Every single time this happens

It happened with Rachel in BB9

The genuinley nice hosuemate gets accused of being a nasty game player and the hyperbole
Of crap that gets written about them sends me loopy

Let’s not lie that Fern is fake. You may feel uncomfortable with tears and vulnerability but don’t be that person that calls it fake

It’s disgusting tbh

I don’t see Fern as either nasty or a game player, and I don’t think of her as fake either. I think she is less comfortable in the BB house, and being filmed 24/7, than she expected to be Hence the emotions.

Having said that, I do think she has, on a couple of occasions, shown a bit of a nasty streak, and that she tends to overplay her sugary sweetness. That doesn’t mean she’s false, though, or that these things aren’t part of her character - just that she is trying to emphasise the more positive parts, as most of us probably do to some degree.

To me, the problem is when people tend to pass judgement on a person’s character because of one thing they have said or done. All human beings are much more complex than that and their characters are multi-faceted.

Personally, I don’t dislike Fern and I think she’s probably genuinely nice, but I don’t find her particularly exciting or interesting. For me, she is bland.

[Zizu]

Her and Louis have actually become godo friends. I love that :laugh:


Didn’t she just try to get him booted off ?


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[Mystic Mock]

Every single time this happens

It happened with Rachel in BB9

The genuinley nice hosuemate gets accused of being a nasty game player and the hyperbole
Of crap that gets written about them sends me loopy

Let’s not lie that Fern is fake. You may feel uncomfortable with tears and vulnerability but don’t be that person that calls it fake

It’s disgusting tbh

Tbf, some Housemates do use tears on BB to manipulate the public into feeling sorry for them, ironically I would not accuse Rachel Rice of ever doing that, I don't know if anyone else has?

And with Fern, I think that she's always had some people just not like her, even back on her This Morning days.

For whatever reason, Fern can rub some people up the wrong way.

[Mystic Mock]

Didn’t she just try to get him booted off ?


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Tbf it's a Gameshow, and Fern knows that Louis will have a big X Factor fanbase behind him.

It's a respectable strategy that she was going for imo.

[Ammi]

…I do feel for Fern in that I think she’s seemed to struggle to bond in the house…strangely, the person that she seemed to connect with most was Gary and he obviously went quite quickly …although at the beginning she felt very mama and maternal, she doesn’t really seem to gravitate toward the younger housemates …which is cool and fine but it’s obviously got her nominated quite a bit as well, well with Nikita in particular…her tears, it feels…?..that maybe she struggles quite a bit with what she feels is ‘rejection’…anyway, she seems like a nice enough lady but she’s begun to seem as though she’s struggling a bit recently a d that’s never nice to see…someone seeming a bit more lost and detached…

[bots]

i think Fern is counting the days until she picks up her pay cheque. I'm sure she is not the only one either :laugh:

[Ammi]

…whatever the reason, she seems to be generally wearing her emotions quite closely to the surface right now…?…and that’s obviously not good to watch someone going through that and not feeling as though they’re valuing their time in there…rather, feeling a bit lost…?…I don’t know if that’s how Fern is feeling, obviously and highlights can be slanted to appear one thing when they’re not…?….but that’s his it’s feeling and seeming to me and we can only go by what we see and how we ourselves process that…

[Garfie]

…whatever the reason, she seems to be generally wearing her emotions quite closely to the surface right now…?…and that’s obviously not good to watch someone going through that and not feeling as though they’re valuing their time in there…rather, feeling a bit lost…?…I don’t know if that’s how Fern is feeling, obviously and highlights can be slanted to appear one thing when they’re not…?….but that’s his it’s feeling and seeming to me and we can only go by what we see and how we ourselves process that…

I agree with you, Ammi. Fern seems to be feeling the stresses and strains of the BB house, and as if she’s struggling with the pressures. She doesn’t seem happy to me, or as if she is enjoying herself. She seems tired and fed up. She seems out of her depth.

[Ammi]

…I guess for Fern…(…as she hasn’t seemed to connect and bond so much with the younger ones through her stay…)…it’s a shame that the only older housemate left is one that she really can’t find a level of tolerance with, let alone bonding…:laugh:…I mean for me, Louis has seemed to go from strength to strength in the house in that at the beginning he seemed a bit SHARON dependant…and then he was gravitating toward Lauren…he’s had his kicks of confidence as well since he’s been there but it’s just strengthening him, in a way…?…whereas with Fern, she’s just seeming lower and lower…

…as a by the by, when Louis said…’I forgive you, Fern…don’t worry I forgive you…’…for casting him as the snake …she just sadly looked like she wanted to scream at him…eeeekkk….Louis has great BB house coping skills is the short of it and Fern…not so much…and that’s just an individual difference…but neither of them have any personalities that I could be ‘negative’ about….

[Ammi]

…on St Patrick’s Day as well, she gave the Irishman the snake…how very dare she…but still…’I forgive you, my child…please dry those tears…’…St Louis, the patron saint of forgiveness…:lovedup:…

[HettyLip]

I love your responses, Hetty Lip, and the quote is great, but i feel that life is often a matter of perception, and being only human, we can interpret the truth differently, as no-one can stand outside themselves and all the experiences and influences they have had.

Sometimes, I think there is no truth but only perception, so in fact, there can be numerous ‘truths’. Reality and perception is such a fascinating concept.

Perception is subjective, a mere interpretation rather than the product of rationality. It is partial and produces an assessment tainted by emotion, a hierarchy of personal preferences. in short favouritism rather than the impartial reasoning that guides logic. .

The truth is not subject to interpretation based on personal preferences. The truth is imperial.. It is not an opinion and not compromised by personal feelings, one of the building blocks of subjectivity.

Consider the following: A man is accused of murdering a woman in the West End of London at 8pm on a Sunday. In court he claims that he was in Newcastle at 8pm on the Sunday in question and that he could not possibly have murdered the woman. Conclusion: There can only be one truth, no matter what is said, and this maxim applies to everything.

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