Fern and Nikita and ‘the head injury’…?…

[Ammi]

…I obviously felt for a Fern because she was harmed during the making of that dumbest of dumb ‘fun games’…I mean, it was the accident waiting to happen that then happened, wasn’t it…?…and a very added in or added on level of unfortunate-ness also that it involved two housemates that seem to have a bit of an awkward relationship atm also…because now that’s sadly a big part of how Nikita may be remembered for his time in that social media are apparently already buzzing with ‘Nikita tried to kill Fern’…/…type memes etc…he was quite boisterous in his ways but he at least realised that part of his competitive nature and that he didn’t want to continue with the game…as he disliked immensely that he had been any part of harming anyone in a physical way…

…anyway, general thoughts on the game, the injury and just any aspect related…?…

[Mystic Mock]

Accidents happen tbf.

At least Nikita realized that it might've gone too far.

[Ray.]

Accidents happen tbf.

At least Nikita realized that it might've gone too far.

Only after he'd gently headbutted the cushion a few times and then saying to himself: 'That doesn't hurt!', as though a fit 26 year old man is going to have the same pain threshold and bone density as a comparatively frail 66 year old woman. :laugh: Honestly, the whole of his remorse afterward felt so performative and OTT. He's always doing this, finding himself at the center of something and then dragging it out far beyond what's necessary, under the guise of just wanting to broker peace and trying to make amends, etc.

Just to clarify: I don't think he went into the game wanting to hurt her or anything, but like a child, I don't think he wanted to face full responsibility for it. First he seemed to deny to himself the possibility that he might have been too rough with her (him headbutting the cushion and saying it doesn't hurt), and then later putting the blame onto BB for setting up such a silly game in the first place. Though I think he's half-right on that score lol.

[Ammi]

Only after he'd gently headbutted the cushion a few times and then saying to himself: 'That doesn't hurt!', as though a fit 26 year old man is going to have the same pain threshold and bone density as a comparatively frail 66 year old woman. :laugh: Honestly, the whole of his remorse afterward felt so performative and OTT. He's always doing this, finding himself at the center of something and then dragging it out far beyond what's necessary, under the guise of just wanting to broker peace and trying to make amends, etc.

Just to clarify: I don't think he went into the game wanting to hurt her or anything, but like a child, I don't think he wanted to face full responsibility for it. First he seemed to deny to himself the possibility that he might have been too rough with her (him headbutting the cushion and saying it doesn't hurt), and then later putting the blame onto BB for setting up such a silly game in the first place. Though I think he's half-right on that score lol.

…just a little thought that doesn’t change anything and isn’t really relevant but…Fern was wearing a hair clasp at the back of her hair, it was clasped up at the time with one of the larger clasps…I’ve had a back hew bump with one of those in…?…and it does add quite a layer of pain…/…not head injury type concerning stuff…but just the pain aspect…so I’m thinking that gave her a huge OMG, ouch thing as well that Nikita wasn’t figuring in his cushion risk assessment afterwards…

[Cherie]

I get being competitive, but he also whacked Marisha across the neck, I didn't feel the requirement to be quite so physical?

[arista]

Yes,
nice old Fern could run.

[Ammi]

…anyway, I do also feel for him…/…did feel for him…it was all very unfortunate and BB is the ‘blame’ here…I’m going to sharpen my Ofcom pen and give them a good rant on health and safety…

[Cherie]

Only after he'd gently headbutted the cushion a few times and then saying to himself: 'That doesn't hurt!', as though a fit 26 year old man is going to have the same pain threshold and bone density as a comparatively frail 66 year old woman. :laugh: Honestly, the whole of his remorse afterward felt so performative and OTT. He's always doing this, finding himself at the center of something and then dragging it out far beyond what's necessary, under the guise of just wanting to broker peace and trying to make amends, etc.
putting the blame onto BB for setting up such a silly game in the first place.
Just to clarify: I don't think he went into the game wanting to hurt her or anything, but like a child, I don't think he wanted to face full responsibility for it. First he seemed to deny to himself the possibility that he might have been too rough with her (him headbutting the cushion and saying it doesn't hurt), and then later Though I think he's half-right on that score lol.

it could have been a fun game had they thought about the approach there really was no need to go barrelling in at 100 miles an hour

[Ammi]

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[Mystic Mock]

Only after he'd gently headbutted the cushion a few times and then saying to himself: 'That doesn't hurt!', as though a fit 26 year old man is going to have the same pain threshold and bone density as a comparatively frail 66 year old woman. :laugh: Honestly, the whole of his remorse afterward felt so performative and OTT. He's always doing this, finding himself at the center of something and then dragging it out far beyond what's necessary, under the guise of just wanting to broker peace and trying to make amends, etc.

Just to clarify: I don't think he went into the game wanting to hurt her or anything, but like a child, I don't think he wanted to face full responsibility for it. First he seemed to deny to himself the possibility that he might have been too rough with her (him headbutting the cushion and saying it doesn't hurt), and then later putting the blame onto BB for setting up such a silly game in the first place. Though I think he's half-right on that score lol.

He probably got defensive to begin with because of how it might look to other people is my guess.

I don't think that Nikita is a malicious individual, and once he has calmed down, he has realized that he might've been a bit rough.

[Ammi]

…the little evil in me wanted BB to do a ‘Fern’s Dead’ thing and bring out a deceased/withered fern plant…


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[Mystic Mock]

…anyway, I do also feel for him…/…did feel for him…it was all very unfortunate and BB is the ‘blame’ here…I’m going to sharpen my Ofcom pen and give them a good rant on health and safety…

Hopefully BB has learned it's lesson without needing to drag in Ofcom.

[Liam-]

At least he didn’t treat her differently because of her age, she’d have had something else to pretend to be offended by if he did

[Strictly Jake]

It was a cushion... She definitely played up to the cameras. The next Roxanne pallette...

[Vanessa]

It was a cushion... She definitely played up to the cameras. The next Roxanne pallette...

Yes she totally milked that to make Nikita look bad.

[rusticgal]

Well trying to make imply that she was making something out of nothing by saying the edging wasnt hard was not a good move...but we all heard the noise.
However, he did then go on to redeem himself.

[OnTheRight]

It was a cushion... She definitely played up to the cameras. The next Roxanne pallette...

She sure did. She doesn't like him after she found out he has constantly nominated her.

[rusticgal]

It was a cushion... She definitely played up to the cameras. The next Roxanne pallette...

Did you not here the bang?...and as Ammi said she had a clip in her hair which would have made that painful, cushion or no cushion. There is wood under that cushion and if your head swings back at some force you are going to hit the wood.

[Ammi]

Did you not here the bang?...and as Ammi said she had a clip in her hair which would have made that painful, cushion or no cushion. There is wood under that cushion and if your head swings back at some force you are going to hit the wood.

…when we press something in that way with our hands, what we’re feeling is the cushion because it isn’t a process that we’re doing as an ‘impact’ thing…it’s not done with speed etc of an impact and from a further distance also…like any crash situation…when Fern’s head contacted, it was with speed and with that crash impact which doesn’t feel the cushion, it feels the solid surface beneath that…the fact that there was a cushion covering might literally ‘cushion’ the impact slightly but only slightly, I would say…plus yeah, those hair clasps if you’re wearing one and have a bang against it…?..are pretty fierce and hostile…

[Cherie]

…the little evil in me wanted BB to do a ‘Fern’s Dead’ thing and bring out a deceased/withered fern plant…


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[Cherie]

I think as well, although it was just a 'silly' game, it was quiet revealing as to who were the competitive ones, the oldest being picked last, the lack of care towards less able and less strong....all in all quite a good task I thought

[Ammi]

I think as well, although it was just a 'silly' game, it was quiet revealed as to who were the competitive ones, the oldest being picked last,the lack of care towards less able and less strong....all in all quite a good task I thought

…and also that there are different layers and thoughts on ‘competitive’ as well in that the two older ones in Fern and Louis could be the last two standing as finalists..while the young’uns are competing for battles…the oldies are winning the war…?…

[joeysteele]

Sorry but I felt she milked it a lot

It was before the eviction, she likely saw a chance for a sympathy vote.

Perhaps BigBrother should have made Fern and Louis leaders of teams but only directing not participating.

Plus Nikita has no issue on age
Sharon Osborne rated him the best in there, the nicest inside and out
Also wanting him to win

Fern has gone very condescending, I now feel I'd be irritated around her myself.

[Cherie]

…and also that there are different layers and thoughts on ‘competitive’ as well in that the two older ones in Fern and Louis could be the last two standing as finalists..while the young’uns are competing for battles…the oldies are winning the war…?…

hope so!

[smudgie]

I think he forgot his own strength.
Obviously he works in a very competitive environment so will be his natural instinct to win, unfortunately he was a tad gungho and took no prisoners.
As to Fern milking it, no way, the thump of her head was very audible.
She was very gracious in being concerned that Nikita didn’t blame himself as it was an accident.
Good on Nikita for saying he wouldn’t take part in that task anymore.

[Cherie]

I think he forgot his own strength.
Obviously he works in a very competitive environment so will be his natural instinct to win, unfortunately he was a tad gungho and took no prisoners.
As to Fern milking it, no way, the thump of her head was very audible.
She was very gracious in being concerned that Nikita didn’t blame himself as it was an accident.
Good on Nikita for saying he wouldn’t take part in that task anymore.



erm but he did?

[smudgie]

[/B]


erm but he did?

I know, but only on condition Louis dropped out.:laugh:

[Cherie]

I know, but only on condition Louis dropped out.:laugh:

No Smudge you are rewriting history they had to even up the teams and Louis put his hand up to drop out, someone said Nikita if you don't want to take part that is fine but he didn't want to give up the airtime :fist:

[Zizu]

It was a cushion... She definitely played up to the cameras. The next Roxanne pallette...


Agreed !!

It was more like a bit of a shock to be falling backwards at her age ( and size ) ..

Then she saw her opportunity to get even more sympathy … I’m amazed she didn’t turn on the tears again


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[Zizu]

Did you not here the bang?...and as Ammi said she had a clip in her hair which would have made that painful, cushion or no cushion. There is wood under that cushion and if your head swings back at some force you are going to hit the wood.


Who said there was wood in the cushion !?
Those microphones pick up every little sound and amplify it …


I’d suggest that the vast majority of those cushiony things are just foam or sponge .

The real risk was running around jabbing pins into balloons ( or hands / arms )



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[Cherie]

Agreed !!

It was more like a bit of a shock to be falling backwards at her age ( and size ) ..

Then she saw her opportunity to get even more sympathy … I’m amazed she didn’t turn on the tears again


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Ferns size? she looks perfectly normal to me?

[Ray.]

Do you mean fun size, Zizu? ;)

[smudgie]

No Smudge you are rewriting history they had to even up the teams and Louis put his hand up to drop out, someone said Nikita if you don't want to take part that is fine but he didn't want to give up the airtime :fist:

Aaahhhh, here is me thinking Nikita was being a hero.
Uncape him immediately :fist:

[Ray.]

Not all heroes wear capes.

Some just carry around teddy bears and dance with z-list celebs. :laugh:

[bots]

I don't think nikita considered the health of his opponents for 1 second

Just knocking an older person over is bad enough, let alone anything else.

If you were at the shops, would you just knock an older person over to get to your tin of beans? :laugh:

[Zizu]

Do you mean fun size, Zizu? ;)


Well she’s carrying a bit of timber plus she certainly can’t be labelled as nimble .. it’s understandable at her age of course..

That’s why it looked like a heavy fall ..


Then predictably she milked the situation dry


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[Zizu]

I don't think nikita considered the health of his opponents for 1 second

Just knocking an older person over is bad enough, let alone anything else.

If you were at the shops, would you just knock an older person over to get to your tin of beans? :laugh:


They are in a strange situation plus he’s a naturally competitive guy .. I’d say he just saw the balloon and didn’t think it was Fern who was in front of him


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[joeysteele]

Still say she milked it.
It was before the eviction, she knew almost certainly that incident would get maximum showing

She's no fool.
She saw the chance and grabbed it with both hands.

In the diary room was able to throw her legs up and lie down.on her head.
If you've banged your head and it really hurt.
The last thing you could do was lie back on it.

She's very clever is Fern.

Yeah to me she milked it for all it's worth

[bots]

the number of people blaming the victim is pretty crazy

[Ammi]

….for sure I feel his spirits were very overly high in consideration for others …Marisha was taken aback as well at how forceful it all became with him…just before Fern was knocked backward and well, it would have been to the ground if there hadn’t been one of the furniture fittings there…I imagine as well as any pain, she felt quite shocked as well …

[Zizu]

the number of people blaming the victim is pretty crazy


She was unbalanced and took a tumble … if she was really hurt she would have a made even more of the situation than she did .. which was bad enough


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[Zizu]

….for sure I feel his spirits were very overly high in consideration for others …Marisha was taken aback as well at how forceful it all became with him…just before Fern was knocked backward and well, it would have been to the ground if there hadn’t been one of the furniture fittings there…I imagine as well as any pain, she felt quite shocked as well …


Yes .. the shock would have a shook her for sure as I mentioned earlier

Can’t believe all the fuss considering she’s such a drama queen who milks every situation


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[Gusto Brunt]

Yes,
nice old Fern could run.

Yeah and 66 isn't old these days. William Shatner 93 in a couple of days is still very active. I saw him on YouTube and he looked great. Looked like he'd dropped a few pounds, too.

[Ammi]

…I don’t see Fern as ‘milking situations’ …she processes things in her own way and with her own reasoning and emotions and that’s displayed in her actions/reactions…like everyone else…

[Zizu]

Incidentally I’m in the vast majority who feel that Fern milked the situation !!

I’d say the only thing that hurt apart from her pride was MAYBE that plastic hair clip at the back of her head .

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[Zizu]

…I don’t see Fern as ‘milking situations’ …she processes things in her own way and with her own reasoning and emotions and that’s displayed in her actions/reactions…like everyone else…


She’s devious and desperate to get back on telly … that’s how I see her

I think she’s been conniving though out this whole series

Just my take on things ..


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[Ammi]

She’s devious and desperate to get back on telly … that’s how I see her

I think she’s been conniving though out this whole series

Just my take on things ..


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…exactly, it’s only a personal perception and coming from us, rather than applying to her in any behaviour she’s displayed in a few hours of highlighted TV with its own direction…devious/desperate/conniving are pretty extremes of analysis imo but that’s entirely on you to use them and feel them…

[Cherie]

I don't think nikita considered the health of his opponents for 1 second

Just knocking an older person over is bad enough, let alone anything else.

If you were at the shops, would you just knock an older person over to get to your tin of beans? :laugh:

Have you been out doing the Christmas shop, that last turkey crown must be secured at all costs :laugh:

[rusticgal]

Who said there was wood in the cushion !?
Those microphones pick up every little sound and amplify it …


I’d suggest that the vast majority of those cushiony things are just foam or sponge .

The real risk was running around jabbing pins into balloons ( or hands / arms )



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Well it is clearly some form of hard moulding covered in a cushion...if it was foam or sponge you wouldnt have heard the noise of her head banging against something hard.

[Bronzo]

I’ve started to think he’s a bit over aware about how he could be perceived, almost similarly to Ekin su, except she was playing it terribly whereas Nikita is doing it well. First when he said that phrase and immediately panicked and went to the Diary Room to apologise to the public, to now the OTT reaction to Fern falling over. I do think he’s a nice guy but I think he’s a little too worried/concerned about public opinion that he doesn’t feel as real as he did at the beginning of the show.

[rusticgal]

Sorry but I felt she milked it a lot

It was before the eviction, she likely saw a chance for a sympathy vote.

Perhaps BigBrother should have made Fern and Louis leaders of teams but only directing not participating.

Plus Nikita has no issue on age
Sharon Osborne rated him the best in there, the nicest inside and out
Also wanting him to win

Fern has gone very condescending, I now feel I'd be irritated around her myself.


Well you could accuse Nikita of playing the game...it was his housemates that persuaded him to give Fern a hug and he probably knew it would look bad if he didn't....it certainly wasn't what he planned to do...

However I am so glad he did.

[Zizu]

Well you could accuse Nikita of playing the game...it was his housemates that persuaded him to give Fern a hug and he probably knew it would look bad if he didn't....it certainly wasn't what he planned to do...

However I am so glad he did.


That’s not game playing by Nikita though

His head was scrambled .. that was him simply taking some sensible advice from friends .. he could have ignored them


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[bots]

Yeah and 66 isn't old these days. William Shatner 93 in a couple of days is still very active. I saw him on YouTube and he looked great. Looked like he'd dropped a few pounds, too.

that is just nonsense. You knock any older person over and they will be shocked and shaken

[joeysteele]

Actually at Christmas times in stores.
I'm more likely to get knocked over by older customers.
Or banged into by their trolleys.

As they rush to get things in case they get sold out.

Plus never get in the way of older shoppers if a store is having a really good sale.

I just think BigBrother should have made Louis and Fern as leaders but only directing.
Especially having them all run about with pins in their hands

After all no one really wanted either in their team .
As they were left to the end anyhow .

Sorry I still think she milked it, had this happened after the eviction I think it would have passed more.
She did only fall onto the couch..
Not the floor.
I think she saw a chance to in some sympathy while up for eviction.
Knowing all of it was more certain to be aired too.

[rusticgal]

That’s not game playing by Nikita though

His head was scrambled .. that was him simply taking some sensible advice from friends .. he could have ignored them


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He could have ignored them...but it wouldnt have reflected well...so he did it.


I dont think his head was scrambled...he was well and truly over it until his playmates bought it up :laugh:



The weak accusations of Ferns game playing...its so easy to read too much into it.

What was interesting was listening to Nikita in the Diary room last night and explain the difficulties he has forming bonds and friendships because of his life moving from place to place...which really does explain why he comes across a bit stand-offish. Whilst he has been playful with the boys you have not seen him interact a lot with the rest of them....

[bots]

the simple reality is that Nikita was going to win the game at all costs, that was his only thought. Which pretty much sums him up for me

[rusticgal]

the simple reality is that Nikita was going to win the game at all costs, that was his only thought. Which pretty much sums him up for me


He is competitive…it’s in his nature.

[Kazanne]

Still say she milked it.
It was before the eviction, she knew almost certainly that incident would get maximum showing

She's no fool.
She saw the chance and grabbed it with both hands.

In the diary room was able to thtue her legs up and lies down.on her head.
If you've banged your head and it really hurt.
The last thing you could do was lie back on it.

She's very clever is Fern.

Yeah to me she milked it for all it's worth

i agree Joey anything to have a go eh ? he would never hurt anyone on purpose imo,he seems a very gentle soul no malice at all.:wavey:

[Zizu]

He could have ignored them...but it wouldnt have reflected well...so he did it.


I dont think his head was scrambled...he was well and truly over it until his playmates bought it up :laugh:



The weak accusations of Ferns game playing...its so easy to read too much into it.

What was interesting was listening to Nikita in the Diary room last night and explain the difficulties he has forming bonds and friendships because of his life moving from place to place...which really does explain why he comes across a bit stand-offish. Whilst he has been playful with the boys you have not seen him interact a lot with the rest of them....


You make some good points


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[Zizu]

i agree Joey anything to have a go eh ? he would never hurt anyone on purpose imo,he seems a very gentle soul no malice at all.:wavey:


Exactly
Look how upset he was immediately the incident happened .. he suddenly snapped out of competitive mode


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[joeysteele]

i agree Joey anything to have a go eh ? he would never hurt anyone on purpose imo,he seems a very gentle soul no malice at all.:wavey:

Absolutely Kazanne.

Which is also what Sharon Osborne was saying too about him.

He and Sharon spent a lot of time together.
No playing up from him to Sharon because she wasn't even a permanent housemate.

No one will convince me that Fern didn't milk this.
It was the ideal opportunity for sympathy and guaranteed airtime.
Hours before an eviction she was up for..

[rusticgal]

Exactly
Look how upset he was immediately the incident happened .. he suddenly snapped out of competitive mode


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No one has accused him of hurting anyone on purpose…of course he wouldn’t…and Fern didn’t try to make out he had :shrug:….but she clearly hurt her head as she fell back heavily and she had that clip in her hair. She didn’t make a fuss but she had to go to the diary room as it was a head injury….

I think it’s mean to think she was making the most of it…she pacified Nikita who obviously felt bad….give her a break.

[Zizu]

No one has accused him of hurting anyone on purpose…of course he wouldn’t…and Fern didn’t try to make out he had :shrug:….but she clearly hurt her head as she fell back heavily and she had that clip in her hair. She didn’t make a fuss but she had to go to the diary room as it was a head injury….

I think it’s mean to think she was making the most of it…she pacified Nikita who obviously felt bad….give her a break.


You make some decent points

As regards Fern milking the situation .. on the online poll 74% felt she made far too much of things

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[Kazanne]

Absolutely Kazanne.

Which is also what Sharon Osborne was saying too about him.

He and Sharon spent a lot of time together.
No playing up from him to Sharon because she wasn't even a permanent housemate.

No one will convince me that Fern didn't milk this.
It was the ideal opportunity for sympathy and guaranteed airtime.
Hours before an eviction she was up for..

Apparently Lauren has been saying Fern is not very nice and she lived with her. So who knows ?

[Bronzo]

Apparently Lauten has been saying Fern is not very nice and she loved with her. So who knows ?

I don’t think Fern is nice at all, I’ve been seeing it from almost day 1 but glad others are seeing another side to her

[Zizu]

There’s Fern in her usual guise of blowing smoke up someone’s backside ..

Telling Bradley how absolutely incredible he is and what a wonderful career he’s had !!!


What career ?

What the hell has he done .. a minor series on Netflix ??


That must be able to see through her , surely ?


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[Bronzo]

There’s Fern in her usual guise of blowing smoke up someone’s backside ..

Telling Bradley how absolutely incredible he is and what a wonderful career he’s had !!!


What career ?

What the hell has he done .. a minor series on Netflix ??


That must be able to see through her , surely ?


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Yeah it’s all fake, Bradley is literally in about 5 minutes of the show in Netflix he’s not a main cast member of the show, he’s one of the minor supporting characters, not sure why she’s sucking up as it comes across disingeniousb

[Zizu]

I don’t think Fern is nice at all, I’ve been seeing it from almost day 1 but glad others are seeing another side to her


Same .. she even mentioned at the start how this show had helped previous housemates careers

She’s clearly hoping to get signed up by someone


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[Zizu]

Yeah it’s all fake, Bradley is literally in about 5 minutes of the show in Netflix he’s not a main cast member of the show, he’s one of the minor supporting characters, not sure why she’s sucking up as it comes across disingeniousb


Disingenuous is the word I’ve used to describe her from day 1 !!


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[Mystic Mock]

Do you mean fun size, Zizu? ;)

Isn't that Sweet Baby Inc kinda talk about Poison Ivy from the Suicide Squad Game?

[Mystic Mock]

the simple reality is that Nikita was going to win the game at all costs, that was his only thought. Which pretty much sums him up for me

Well BB is a Gameshow.:laugh: