Muslim gunmen attack Moscow concert.

[Beso]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/russia-moscow-concert-hall-attack-1.7152498

[Beso]

https://youtube.com/shorts/3hbMLjK6dDw?si=xeMMu2BAnsq8yjVJ

[Beso]

https://youtube.com/shorts/9QFBoe9I06o?si=JLjDbFfe6G3ffA2N

[Beso]

https://youtube.com/shorts/VPy-ouXvfZE?si=-5499YGe23os6Kha

[arista]

Yes Shocker Parmy

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/mar/22/moscow-concert-attack-crocus-city-hall-shooting-russia-live-updates


[18.44 GMT
Moscow cancels all mass gatherings and strengthens
security at airports and stations

Here are the latest updates coming through
Reuters on the attacks:

A second blast was reported at Crocus City Hall near Moscow, IFX reports.

Moscow has cancelled all the weekend’s mass gatherings,
according to its mayor.

The first wounded victims are already in hospitals
across Moscow, IFX reports.

Security measures have been strengthened
at Moscow railway stations, TASS reports.]

[arista]

Yes,
Putin has Enemys with Guns

[Beso]

https://youtube.com/shorts/7TMXDL92sI8?si=yRoc6hvsbKy092RJ

[arista]

https://i.cbc.ca/1.7152538.1711130165!/fileImage/httpImage/image.JPG_gen/derivatives/16x9_780/moscow-crocus-city-hall-attack-fire.JPG

[arista]

https://youtube.com/shorts/7TMXDL92sI8?si=yRoc6hvsbKy092RJ



Terrible Folks shot on the Ground

[arista]

[Deaths and injuries have been reported after
a gun attack at a concert hall near Moscow,
Russian media say.
At least four people dressed in camouflage
opened fire at the Crocus City Hall,
social media video verified by the BBC shows.
Video obtained by Reuters news agency shows
a large blaze and smoke rising from the hall.

Russia's Foreign Ministry described the incident as
a "terrorist attack". Specialist police are at the scene

Footage on social media showed gunmen inside the
concert hall while state media reported that
some people were still inside.

Tass news agency reported a third of the concert
venue is on fire and the roof is almost completely ablaze.

Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman
Maria Zakharova called on the international community
to condemn the incident,
which it called "a monstrous crime".

US National Security Council spokesman
John Kirby said the images of the shooting
were "horrible and hard to watch". ]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68642162

[Beso]

Graphic.

https://youtu.be/HoFQlW49qeE?si=DuYsRA-lwnbqMxjM

[arista]

Graphic.

https://youtu.be/HoFQlW49qeE?si=DuYsRA-lwnbqMxjM


Yes Shows the Terrorists with machine guns
shooting people on the ground


Could update your title

Adding Terrorist Gunmen

[Beso]

Gunmen is all we know for now, no terrorist faction has claimed responsibility yet.

[arista]

You can Remove Very little detail now

[Ammi]

A group of gunmen dressed in camouflage clothing opened fire on crowds in in the Crocus City Hall music venue near Moscow.

It is believed the group was made up of up to five people, who used automatic weapons on Friday evening.

Russia's top domestic security agency, the Federal Security Service, said there are dead and wounded but didn't give any numbers.

Several news sites and social media accounts have reported hearing a second blast at the scene, where 50 ambulance crews have already been sent.

Russian news reports said that the assailants threw explosives, triggering a massive blaze.

In video clips, flames can be seen reaching the sky while plumes of black smoke rise above the venue.

The attack took place as crowds gathered for a concert of Picnic, a famed Russian rock band, at the hall that can accommodate over 6,000 people.

Although visitors were evacuated, an unspecific number of people have been trapped by the blaze, local media reports.

A helicopter has reportedly been called to help put the fire out.Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin said: "A terrible tragedy occurred in the shopping center Crocus City today.

"I am sorry for the loved ones of the victims."

Mr Sobyanin has also cancelled all mass gatherings for the weekend, while security at Moscow’s airports and train stations has been tightened.

In one unverified video posted on social media, men with automatic weapons were shown firing repeatedly at screaming civilians, including women, who were cowering below what looked like an entrace sign.

Other video footage showed a number of people lying motionless in pools of blood outside the hall.

White House National Security Advisor John Kirby said Friday that he couldn't yet speak about all the details but that "the images are just horrible. And just hard to watch.""Our thoughts are going to be with the victims of this terrible, terrible shooting attack," Kirby said. "There are some moms and dads and brothers and sisters and sons and daughters who haven't gotten the news yet. This is going to be a tough day."

The US embassy in Russia warned earlier this month that "extremists" had imminent plans for an attack in Moscow.

Officials gave no specific details about the threat but said that people should avoid concerts and crowds and be aware of their surroundings.

Just before this, Russia's Federal Security Service, the main successor to the Soviet-era KGB, said it had foiled an attack on a synagogue in Moscow by a cell of the militant Sunni Muslim group Islamic State.

It was unclear if the two statements were linked.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/moscow-shooting-multiple-deaths-feared-182514504.html

[arista]

Evil Terrorist Gunman


No Poilice there stopping there Easy Killing

[MTVN]

How horrific, those poor people. Islamists? Seems incredibly well organised and prepared

The US embassy warned about an imminent threat a couple of weeks ago

[arista]

So Far
40 have been murdered


The Evil Terrorists
escaped in tunnels under the venue


CNN HD USA on UK TV

[MTVN]

Parm can you give a description of the YouTube clips rather than just posting a link so people know what they're clicking on?

Sounds like a lot of graphic footage out there

[Ammi]

…many people still inside the burning building…around one third of the building in flames…

[Ammi]

40 dead, more than 100 wounded, says FSB
40 people are dead and more than 100 others are wounded following shooting attacks at Crocus City Hall outside Moscow on Friday night, according to Russia’s Federal Security Service.

According to IFX, up to five gunmen were involved in the attacks.

Russia’s top investigative agency, the Investigative Committee, said that it is investigating the events as a terrorist attack, the Associated Press reports.

The agency did not say who may be responsible for the attacks.


…I’m not sure how confirmed the reports are atm ….

[arista]

…many people still inside the burning building…around one third of the building in flames…


Yes the Muslim Gunman
got away under tunnels


Public stuck not knowing if the shooters are still there

[MTVN]

There are thousands of people at this concert so I fear the death toll could rise hugely

[Oliver_W]

The Evil Terrorists
escaped in tunnels under the venue

It was Hamas?!

[Vanessa]

That's awful. Those poor people.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Parm can you give a description of the YouTube clips rather than just posting a link so people know what they're clicking on?

Sounds like a lot of graphic footage out there

there is not anything too graphic just people being shot from a good distance away

footage as one would expect is grainy and shaky

[Beso]

The bbc showed all clips I posted during the 6 o clock news.

[Beso]

Apart from the russian man.

[arista]

Gunmen is all we know for now, no terrorist faction has claimed responsibility yet.


Islamic State Group
say they did it


Please add Terrorist to your title

[Crimson Dynamo]

ISIS has now claimed Responsibility for the Terrorist Attack tonight on the Crocus Concert
Hall in the Russian Capital of Moscow, with them stating that the Attack was specifically
attempting to Target a Gathering of Christians.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJTflznWcAADv-7?format=jpg&name=small

[Ninastar]

This **** terrifies me

[arista]

This **** terrifies me


Yes they knew
there was not much Armed Security.


It was Easy for them
Terrorists shoot so many


Sadly over 80 now dead.


And they had planned exits using tunnels under
the theatre.


They are on Camera
so Putins Police
will find them, it may take some time.

[arista]

ISIS has now claimed Responsibility for the Terrorist Attack tonight on the Crocus Concert
Hall in the Russian Capital of Moscow, with them stating that the Attack was specifically
attempting to Target a Gathering of Christians.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJTflznWcAADv-7?format=jpg&name=small


Yes Putin
has to deal with his internal Muslim
Extremists.



This is why China Rounded up
all their Muslims.
Sadly because of the small amount of Chinese
Muslim Terrorists - every Muslim in China is to
be Jailed.

[arista]

Yes the Former MI6 chief
spoke on Newsnight BBC2HD, last night,
he confirmed USA Embassy
got 10 days' notice that an ISIS type attack
was on its way.


Terrorist Muslim Attack
well planned.

They drove off and got away.

[Beso]

They really need to allow the pubic to serve punishment on these evil deluded morons, jailtime just doeant cut it, and is an unfair cost on the public purse.

[Ammi]

…over 60 killed, including children…?…just slaughtered helplessly, it’s beyond evil and it’s beyond cowardly …also 145 injured, it’s being reported by some media…

[bots]

it's just so wrong when innocent young people on a night out are targeted

[Nicky91]

so what? who cares about Putin's evil russia

[Nicky91]

…over 60 killed, including children…?…just slaughtered helplessly, it’s beyond evil and it’s beyond cowardly …also 145 injured, it’s being reported by some media…

most of these russians also have slaughtered many ukrainians, beheading them and burning them etc


are we now supposed to feel sorry for them, nope

[Crimson Dynamo]

meanwhile we allow hundreds of young poorly educated Muslim men in to the UK every day freely with no documentation

we house feed and pay them to stay together with mobile phones

at the same time people in uniforms at airports studiously check legal tax paying passports and people's luggage in case they bring in too many fags (why because that is easy)

sickening

[Cherie]

meanwhile we allow hundreds of young poorly educated Muslim men in to the UK every day freely with no documentation

we house feed and pay them to stay together with mobile phones

at the same time people in uniforms at airports studiously check legal tax paying passports and people's luggage in case they bring in too many fags (why because that is easy)

sickening

so true, but dont mention it they are here for a better life!

[Cherie]

Tbh Russia is the last place I would have expected an attack like this .

[Cherie]

Alexander Bortnikov, the head of the FSB, has briefed Russian President Vladimir Putin on the capture of 11 individuals, encompassing all 4 terrorists responsible for the Crocus City Hall attack.

This development was conveyed by the Kremlin's press service.

"The head of the FSB has reported to Putin on the detention of 11 people, including all 4 terrorists directly involved in the Crocus terrorist attack," stated the Kremlin press service, with the news disseminated by RIA Novosti.

[MTVN]

The FSB claim they were trying to cross the border to Ukraine where they had 'contacts' when they were arrested :think:

[Crimson Dynamo]

115 dead is the latest

[arista]

115 dead is the latest


Yes to be expected
just on SkyNewsHD

[arista]

It was Hamas?!



No


Russia Kills ISIS in Syria

This is those Terrorists
getting Easy Revenge

[Gusto Brunt]

Yes,
Putin has Enemys with Guns

Putin is a bully. Now he's being bullied.

[arista]

Putin is a bully. Now he's being bullied.


Sadly he is not


Over 100 Russian Public are dead
because of Syria

[arista]

133 Russians Dead


Terrorist ISIS attack in Russia

SkyNewsHD Live

[Zizu]

Putin is a bully. Now he's being bullied.


You’ve got to admire his determination to find and punish every single person connected to the attack - however slight their involvement !!

They’ve caught a few of them and are in the process of ‘extracting’ all the necessary names and information and then they will hunt the each and every terrorist down .

Can you imagine what Rishi would be saying/ doing if we’d been attacked ..


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[Zizu]

No


Russia Kills ISIS in Syria

This is those Terrorists
getting Easy Revenge


They may well live ( maybe not too long ) to regret their involvement in the attack


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[arista]

They may well live ( maybe not too long ) to regret their involvement in the attack




Sure Putins Police will Kill them
if they can.


[Four men directly involved
were among 11 arrested on Saturday, officials say.]

7 still to locate


Those ISIS Muslims Fired at all of them
No mercy.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68642162

[arista]

[Can you imagine what Rishi would be saying/ doing if we’d been attacked .]

I would think when Starmer
takes over
ISIS sleeper cells in UK
could then attack the UK public.

[arista]

Putin Claims
all 11 are arrested, now?

Some were on their way to Ukraine?


SkyNewsHD Live

[UserSince2005]

Evil Muslims attacking evil Russia. How evil.

[Ammi]

Evil Muslims attacking evil Russia. How evil.

… the attack wasn’t on evil Russia is the thing…it was on people attending a concert…families/children etc enjoying an event …innocents to any evil acts/only victims of one…that’s what terrorism does, it strikes terror by targeting innocent/not evil….because evil isn’t so vulnerable and helpless…

[Denver]

Funny how he trying to blame Ukraine even after Isis toom responsibility

[arista]

2 weeks ago USA warned them

They even heard it could be a concert venue


Ch4HDnews Live

[Oliver_W]

Can you imagine what Rishi would be saying/ doing if we’d been attacked .

He'd probably apologise directly to the gunmen that they felt the need to take such actions.

[arista]

He'd probably apologise directly to the gunmen that they felt the need to take such actions.


He would not

[arista]

Funny how he trying to blame Ukraine even after Isis toom responsibility

Of Course Putin
needs more to join his Army



It was a revenge attack
after Russia Killed so many in Syria

[Crimson Dynamo]

Bit put out no one has blamed or mentioned the danger and rise of the far right here...


:skull:

[Zizu]

Evil Muslims attacking evil Russia. How evil.


I’m wondering if they thought this through ..


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[Zizu]

Funny how he trying to blame Ukraine even after Isis toom responsibility


He’s an imbecile of the highest order


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[Zizu]

.

[Ninastar]

Yes they knew
there was not much Armed Security.


It was Easy for them
Terrorists shoot so many


Sadly over 80 now dead.


And they had planned exits using tunnels under
the theatre.


They are on Camera
so Putins Police
will find them, it may take some time.

It won’t be long before it happens a lot closer to home.

[arista]

It won’t be long before it happens a lot closer to home.


Yes in London we now are
using more plain-clothed police
some are armed.


My hope is one of them
kills the next Terrorist in the UK
with bullets he or she
are trained to fire.

[Oliver_W]

1771787084551864479

Hero!

[Crimson Dynamo]

1771787084551864479

Hero!

how did and who said so?

[Mystic Mock]

it's just so wrong when innocent young people on a night out are targeted

These people don't care.

The Jihadist mentality sees anyone that's not exactly like them as sub-Human, they'll never realize that their actions are evil.

[Mystic Mock]

1771787084551864479

Hero!

Fair play to the kid.

He is a brave person.

[arista]

1771787084551864479

Hero!



Yes Get all the folks
running away from the 4 Evil Terrorists

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes Get all the folks
running away from the 4 Evil Terrorists

I think people know how to run away from gunmen without some kid filming them and telling them the obvious?

[arista]

I think people know how to run away from gunmen without some kid filming them and telling them the obvious?


Sure LT.

Slick to film himself

[Vanessa]

It's never ok to deliberately target innocent civilians.
I wish there was a way to stop all extremists. That is not the way to be heard.
If anything it makes things a whole lot worse.

[Vanessa]

1771787084551864479

Hero!

We need more people like this and less of the fanatic religious ones.

[Vanessa]

These people don't care.

The Jihadist mentality sees anyone that's not exactly like them as sub-Human, they'll never realize that their actions are evil.
Exactly. Extremists see it that way.
It's their way or the highway.
The are criminals and belong in jail..

[Vanessa]

Yes in London we now are
using more plain-clothed police
some are armed.


My hope is one of them
kills the next Terrorist in the UK
with bullets he or she
are trained to fire.

I'm hoping the British intelligence is on top of this.
They already know that terrorist cells are everywhere.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'm hoping the British intelligence is on top of this.
They already know that terrorist cells are everywhere.

It dooes help encouraging boatloads of potential terrorists into the UK every day of the week

look at the damage 4 did in Russia

we let 400 in a day

[arista]

I'm hoping the British intelligence is on top of this.
They already know that terrorist cells are everywhere.

Yes they need to locate them.


ISIS-K
are the deadly group of 4 that did
the machine gun killings
in Moscow.


137 Dead in Moscow Concert Venue


As the public arrived No Police or Security were there?

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://x.com/TRobinsonNewEra/status/1771667458224508988?s=20

ISIS, through its Amaq news agency, released bodycam footage of the Moscow terror attack.

Graphic

[Vanessa]

The rise of extremist thinking is really alarming.

[arista]

The rise of extremist thinking is really alarming.


The Problem is
it is in the UK/USA/Russia/France and all of the EU.


Good Muslims
can not stop the Extreme Muslims.

If you hear Machine Gun going off, Venessa
Hit The Deck.

No Joke

[Zizu]

So won’t this attack on Russia make things far more difficult/complicated for all the Muslims living in Russia now ??


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[arista]

So won’t this attack on Russia make things far more difficult/complicated for all the Muslims living in Russia now ??



Not so much

As those 4 are not Russian

[Zizu]

Not so much

As those 4 are not Russian


????


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[arista]

????




All, in Russia, know they are outsiders


The 4 Evil Terrorists were dragged into court today,

[MTVN]

They were from Tajikistan I believe

But yeah there'll no doubt be hostility to Muslims in general from some people as there always is. Russia has quite a complicated relationship with Islam because it's the majority religion in some parts of the country but it was repressed during the USSR, there was the war in Chechnya and they've had terror attacks in the past

[arista]

Two on the Front page
One Terrorist on the Right had his Ear Cut Off..........

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-e2cc63fd-0eb3-4f5c-9e48-78de9ea3cd9d.jpeg

[Zizu]

Two on the Front page
One Terrorist on the Right had his Ear Cut Off..........

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-e2cc63fd-0eb3-4f5c-9e48-78de9ea3cd9d.jpeg


The Russian interrogation process seems to be a tad harsher than ours .. we would have let them out on bail yesterday.. never to be seen again


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[arista]

The Russian interrogation process seems to be a tad harsher than ours .. we would have let them out on bail yesterday.. never to be seen again




Yes, one of the four was dragged into court was blindfolded.


These 4 Evil Terrorists killed over 137
innocent Russians.
They were unchallenged

They will be lucky if they can stay alive.

[Mystic Mock]

We need more people like this and less of the fanatic religious ones.

I do agree.

They are definitely out there (as Islam is proving) but maybe the less fanatical/insane Muslims need to start actively taking control of the situation within their Religion, because at the moment the lunatics keep giving them a horrible image with hurting innocent people, which in return is making it unsafe for the innocent Muslims to walk the streets in certain countries.

[Mystic Mock]

Two on the Front page
One Terrorist on the Right had his Ear Cut Off..........

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-e2cc63fd-0eb3-4f5c-9e48-78de9ea3cd9d.jpeg

I'm devastated for them.:hehe:

[Beso]

They fed him his own ear...

[arista]

They fed him his own ear...


yes not that tasty

[Nicky91]

They fed him his own ear...

what a sadistic fascist piece of scum Putin is :yuk:


and unfortunately we're stuck with him for another 100 years :idc:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Can you imagine if Israel treated hamas terrorists like this and put it on front pages...?

Do you think the anti-semite hate marchers would be out in the streets en masse?

:think:

[Ninastar]

I’m surprised they didn’t die during the attack. Isn’t that usually what Isis do? Suicide massacres? Why did these guys want to live?

[Crimson Dynamo]

I’m surprised they didn’t die during the attack. Isn’t that usually what Isis do? Suicide massacres? Why did these guys want to live?

Does seem very odd...

[bots]

i certainly think it's odd that they captured them all alive, it's not the way the russians or isis roll

[arista]

I’m surprised they didn’t die during the attack. Isn’t that usually what Isis do? Suicide massacres? Why did these guys want to live?


These are Machine Gun fighters
They could attack other nations.

[Zizu]

i certainly think it's odd that they captured them all alive, it's not the way the russians or isis roll


They would surely want them alive to “ask them a few questions “ ….


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[bots]

They would surely want them alive to “ask them a few questions “ ….


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the russians shoot first and ask questions later. Do you remember when some extremist captured a school and took the kids hostage some tears ago? The russians killed most of the kids in the process of killing all the kidnappers

[Crimson Dynamo]

I mean all 4 survived.....ok

[Zizu]

I mean all 4 survived.....ok


Until they have served their purpose


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[bots]

Until they have served their purpose


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thats just not how it works. Evil killers that just killed 130 people don't give themselves up, because they are then subject to torture and give up other people. Police don't capture armed terrorist by saying ... "you are under arrest"

I won't go down the conspiracy rabbit hole, but it doesn't add up.

[Ninastar]

I mean all 4 survived.....ok

Do they not have guns in Russia? Like do cops not shoot to kill during something like this?

It just all strikes me as weird.

[bots]

Do they not have guns in Russia? Like do cops not shoot to kill during something like this?

It just all strikes me as weird.

yep, it just doesn't add up

[Beso]

It was probably princess kate.

[Mystic Mock]

It was probably princess kate.

Can't we save that joke for a bit later down the line? I'm not normally one to be the joke Police, but we don't even know what the end outcome will be for Kate yet during this Cancer battle.

Basically my issue is the timing of the joke.

[Nicky91]

Do they not have guns in Russia? Like do cops not shoot to kill during something like this?

It just all strikes me as weird.

no, that's the easy way out for these terrorist thugs though


now those terrorists can rot in the siberian gulags, no food or water, letting them suffer a lot longer is much better punishment

[Cherie]

It all seems very convenient that they were caught so quickly, I haven't watched any of the footage but I think someone said they recorded their faces? are they the same people, its quite feasible 4 innocent people who happen to be muslim have been plucked off the streets and on trial for something they haven't done

[Mystic Mock]

It all seems very convenient that they were caught so quickly, I haven't watched any of the footage but I think someone said they recorded their faces? are they the same people, its quite feasible 4 innocent people who happen to be muslim have been plucked off the streets and on trial for something they haven't done

As far as conspiracy theories go, this one I think has some believability to it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

For it to be true the Russian forces must have at some point said "come out with your hands up and we wont shoot"

and the ISIS 4 thought "That seems fair"


:skull:

[bots]

It all seems very convenient that they were caught so quickly, I haven't watched any of the footage but I think someone said they recorded their faces? are they the same people, its quite feasible 4 innocent people who happen to be muslim have been plucked off the streets and on trial for something they haven't done

yes, it's quite possible. There are a whole range of possibilities and we will likely never know the truth

[Ammi]

…it also felt very weird that these terrorists/this terrorist cell was Ukraine based…and ‘Russia’ knew that quickly because they were headed straight back to the border…hmmmmm…

[Zizu]

It all seems very convenient that they were caught so quickly, I haven't watched any of the footage but I think someone said they recorded their faces? are they the same people, its quite feasible 4 innocent people who happen to be muslim have been plucked off the streets and on trial for something they haven't done


That’s entirely possible knowing what we know about that lunatic Putin


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[bots]

For me, it shows how precarious Putin's position is. If he allowed the story to go past the next day, discontent would have boiled over very quickly.

It may not be immediately obvious, but i think Putin's reign is coming to a pretty rapid conclusion

[Cherie]

…it also felt very weird that these terrorists/this terrorist cell was Ukraine based…and ‘Russia’ knew that quickly because they were headed straight back to the border…hmmmmm…

This was another anomaly, the Russian border is presumably protected by Russians and one would imagine the border with Ukraine is particularly well protected so why would they head there even if they were in the pockets of the Ukranians surely they would head to another border, none of it makes sense, and it is more likely they would stay hidden in Russian rather than try and escape across the border immediately after :shrug:

[bots]

This was another anomaly, the Russian border is presumably protected by Russians and one would imagine the border with Ukraine is particularly well protected so why would they head there even if they were in the pockets of the Ukranians surely they would head to another border, none of it makes sense, and it is more likely they would stay hidden in Russian rather than try and escape across the border immediately after :shrug:

yeah, bunch of terrorists turn up at a check point where there are 10's of thousands of troops posted. They go in any other direction and there is nobody :laugh:

[Ammi]

This was another anomaly, the Russian border is presumably protected by Russians and one would imagine the border with Ukraine is particularly well protected so why would they head there even if they were in the pockets of the Ukranians surely they would head to another border, none of it makes sense, and it is more likely they would stay hidden in Russian rather than try and escape across the border immediately after :shrug:

…absolutely, it was ‘escaping and running’ in plain sight, wasn’t it….apparently there were tunnels and very complex ways of getting access to be able to commit this atrocity but only one way out…?…the Ukraine border…?….hmmmmm…

[Beso]

We should ask ourselves how they managed to enter Russia from Ukraine.

[Mystic Mock]

We should ask ourselves how they managed to enter Russia from Ukraine.

Too true.

It's always good to have some paranoia whenever it comes to world leaders, and what they tell you.

[Oliver_W]

Sometimes things are as they appear, as strange as it may seem.

Maybe they really are ISIS-adjacent terrorists, and just happened to be captured alive. Which, in some ways, seems as "out there" as any of the conspiracy theories :laugh:

[Beso]

Wasnt there a red flag incident in 200and something involving Chechnya..round about the time putin wanted to invade Chechnya?

[Ninastar]

Sometimes things are as they appear, as strange as it may seem.

Maybe they really are ISIS-adjacent terrorists, and just happened to be captured alive. Which, in some ways, seems as "out there" as any of the conspiracy theories :laugh:

Oh I 10000% believe it was Isis. I’m just genuinely confused to why they didn’t make it a suicide attack. I don’t think I can remember the last time it happened

[MTVN]

Sometimes things are as they appear, as strange as it may seem.

Maybe they really are ISIS-adjacent terrorists, and just happened to be captured alive. Which, in some ways, seems as "out there" as any of the conspiracy theories :laugh:

I think so tbh. By all accounts the US and Russian intelligence knew that something was being planned for a while so that probably helped them apprehend the suspects quicker. IS themselves released photos and footage of the attackers so I think it would be obvious quite quickly if the suspects were not the ones responsible.

The whole Ukraine thing is where it gets murky. I don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility that Islamists could have taken advantage of the conflict to have a presence in the country. The situation can be so confused and chaotic in a war zone that they could have used that as a cover.

[Ammi]

Russian security chief accuses Britain of concert hall terror attack…

Russia’s internal security chief has accused Britain and the United States of being behind Friday’s terrorist attack on Crocus City Hall.

Alexander Bortnikov, the head of the Federal Security Service, the main successor to the KGB, said investigators had not yet established who ordered the attack but insisted the West and Ukraine were linked to it.

Russian news agencies cited Mr Bortnikov as saying: “We believe the action was prepared both by the radical Islamists themselves and, of course, facilitated by Western special services, and Ukraine’s special services themselves have a direct connection to this.

“The one who ordered it has not been identified yet. We understand and see those who organised this process, who recruited and set specific tasks.”

However Mr Bortnikov went on to declare: “The USA, Britain and Ukraine are behind the terrorist attack in Crocus City Hall.”

At least 139 people were murdered in the attack on the concert venue outside Moscow on Friday evening. The Islamic State terrorist group has claimed responsibility.

Mr Bortnikov’s remarks come after Vladimir Putin on Monday for the first time publicly accepted that Islamist extremists perpetrated the attack but insisted there was some link to Ukraine.

The FSB has previously said the suspected attackers were caught in Bryansk region on their way to the Ukrainian border. Mr Bortnikov claimed they would have been “greeted as heroes on the other side” if they had made it.

Ukraine has strongly denied any involvement in the atrocity.

The US, which says it shared intelligence about a possible terror attack in Moscow with Russia, says its intelligence shows Islamic State operatives acted alone.

Mr Bortnikov’s comments came as Russian authorities arrested an eighth man in connection with the terrorist attack.

Alisher Kasimov, a Russian citizen born in Kyrgyzstan, is accused of renting a flat to the attackers, Russian media reported. He said in court on Tuesday morning that he did not know of their plans.


…full article…

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/russian-security-chief-accuses-britain-143815979.html

[bots]

it's when they say stuff like this that it opens it up for there having been russian government collusion in the event.

If they want to escalate the war, it gives them the narrative that they want. Lets not forget that Putin completely fabricated the reasoning for invading ukraine

[Oliver_W]

So it wasn't just ISIS, it was everyone in the world!

I get that they want to justify further attacks and atrocities, but pointing the finger of blame that widely makes me think they might be behind it themselves, or at the very least were aware and didn't stop it so they could go playing the blame game.
(And now they've got me theorising and making up bollocks)

There are plenty of muslims in Russia, and it's fair to say some of them might sympathise with ISIS, or be otherwise open to radicalisation.

Vlad, don't worry, most of the world doesn't even want your people killed by terrorists. You don't need to over-egg it.

[Ammi]

George Galloway ‘accuses UK of being involved in Moscow terror attack’

Newly-elected MP George Galloway has seemingly accused the UK of being involved in last week’s Moscow terror attack in comments quoted in a Kremlin-linked newspaper.

The Rochdale MP accused the US and the UK of lying about the involvement of Isis in the attack, which killed 139 people and injured 360, in quotes in Rossiyskaya Gazeta, a newspaper published by the Russian government.

In the month after his return to parliament, described as a “dark day” for Britan’s Jewish community, Mr Galloway has espoused conspiracy theories about the Princess of Wales being dead and likened Israel to Nazi Germany.

MPs slammed his latest intervention as irresponsible, reckless and playing into the Kremlin’s hands. The foreign secretary, David Cameron, also described claims that the West and Ukraine were involved in the Crocus City Hill Attack as “utter nonsense” in a post on X.

In an article in the Russian newspaper, Mr Galloway is quoted as saying: “When the US, UK and others quickly tried to assure me that it was only Isis (banned in the Russian Federation) that committed this massacre in Moscow, I automatically realised that they were lying.

“And this is what I discovered: First of all, no one has explained the unannounced visit of former President Barack Obama to meet British politicians and security officials in Downing Street three days before this terrorist crime was committed.

“Researching even further, I discovered that Victoria Nuland [former senior US diplomat], this harbinger of death, this angel of death, who, if she approaches you, you can be sure that civil war is coming in your country. And she promised the Russians some unpleasant surprises in the coming weeks and months.”

The article says Mr Galloway claims to have “four pieces of evidence that lead me to believe that the United States, its Nato allies, and their puppet stump state Ukraine are, in fact, responsible for this massacre”.

A press spokesperson for Mr Galloway declined to comment on the article. Mr Galloway told The Independent he had never heard of the Rossiyskaya Gazeta or given the newspaper a comment. He added: “I have never heard of nor spoken to this Russian newspaper. Or any other Russian newspaper.”

The new MP’s reported comments align with Russian President Vladimir Putin’s spurious claims that Ukraine is somehow responsible for the attack, despite there being no evidence to suggest this.

Western analysts have warned that Putin has a history of using terrorist attacks to justify wars of aggression, and is likely planning to do the same for the latest Moscow incident.

The remarks prompted a series of criticism from MPs.


…full article…
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/george-galloway-accuses-uk-being-132520773.html

[bots]

I seem to remember some on this forum suggesting it was a great day for british politics when Galloway was elected

[MTVN]

We shouldn't fear diversity of opinion

[Crimson Dynamo]

We shouldn't fear diversity of opinion

no, we should criminalise it


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