USA :Baltimore Bridge overnight Collapsed into the river: Hit by Cargo ship

[arista]

A ship Hit it in the Dark
the whole bridge massive size crashed into the river

Ref:GMBHD itv Live

Big Cargo Ship
after 1AM there time
1977 built metal steel bridge destroyed.

What the hell as the ships Captain doing?
on his way to Sri Lanka



Possible Deaths


[The 3km ong Key Bridge in Baltimore,
Maryland collapsed into the water
overnight after a cargo ship collided with it.
The extent of the damage to the bridge
was not immediately clear,
the New York Times said.
"All lanes closed both directions
for incident on I-695 Key Bridge.
3 mins ago]


https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/03/francis-scott-key-bridge-baltimore-79025616.jpg?resize=1024,576&quality=75&strip=all


https://nypost.com/2024/03/26/us-news/baltimores-key-bridge-collapses-after-being-struck-by-a-container-ship/

[Ammi]

….’At least seven people are believed to have fallen into the water. The collapse has been called a "developing mass casualty" by an official at the city's fire department.’…

[Ammi]

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[Ammi]

…the force of the impact is so unfathomable …the bridge folded as if it were made of matchsticks or cardboard…just awful…

[arista]

Yes,
Massive Cargo Ship Bangs into it
on the left hand side of the video of Ammi's tweet.

SkyNewsHD
found out the bridge was being worked on.
So many lanes were closed.
Around 7 workers in the water.

[Ammi]

Yes,
Massive Cargo Ship Bangs into it
on the left hand side of the video of Ammi's tweet.

SkyNewsHD
found out the bridge was being worked on.
So many lanes were closed.
Around 7 workers in the water.

…plus some vehicles still ‘hanging’ from the bridge is being reported…

[MTVN]

Quite incredible footage. I wouldn't think even a ship that size colliding into it would be enough to make the bridge completely buckle like that

[arista]

Now reports 20 in the water

[arista]

Quite incredible footage. I wouldn't think even a ship that size colliding into it would be enough to make the bridge completely buckle like that


Yes it was a Massive Cargo Ship
so it can buckle steel fast.

The Captain is Guilty

[Ammi]

…the ‘up to 20 in the water’ is also because of construction workers who were doing maintenance work on the bridge at the time…it’s obviously still a developing story as the rescue workers are assessing it all…just all incredible, really….


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[Ammi]

…really fortunate if it was that the bridge was quiet with vehicle traffic at the time…I don’t know if that’s the case but hopefully it wasn’t at a more busy time of the day….

[bots]

Quite incredible footage. I wouldn't think even a ship that size colliding into it would be enough to make the bridge completely buckle like that

Is that an earthquake zone? That's the only reason i can think of for it to be as flexible as that

[Mystic Mock]

Hopefully the 20 people end up being okay.

[Cherie]

My God, how did a ships captain get that so wrong, those poor people on the bridge

[arista]

My God, how did a ships captain get that so wrong, those poor people on the bridge

In 2016
Same massive cargo ship
was in the Belgium Port
smashed into it.



So that crew are pathetic.



SkyNewsHD updates

[Ammi]

In 2016
Same massive cargo ship
was in the Belgium Port
smashed into it.



So that crew are pathetic.



SkyNewsHD updates

…Arista, you are so precise about accuracy and truth and yet you randomly post such a thing that you have no idea about…it may have been the same ship involved in that minor incident but it was 8 years ago and we have no idea as to any of the crew at that time or their roles etc…

[Ammi]

Maryland governor declares state of emergency
Maryland governor Wes Moore has declared a state of emergency as rescuers continue to search for people in the water.
In a statement published by his press secretary, Mr Moore said: "We are working with an interagency team to quickly deploy federal resources from the Biden administration.
"We are thankful for the brave men and women who are carrying out efforts to rescue those involved and pray for everyone’s safety.
"We will remain in close contact with federal, state, and local entities that are carrying out rescue efforts as we continue to assess and respond to this tragedy."

[Ammi]

Machinery error 'most likely' cause of crash, says expert
A maritime safety expert says the "most likely" cause of the crash was a failure in the ship's machinery.
David McFarlane, director of Maritime Risk and Safety Consultants Ltd, told Sky News: "The first thing that springs to my mind is: was there a sudden fault with the ship's engines or the steering gear? The other, of course, is: was there a navigational error?"
Mr McFarlane said a human error was less likely because of the number of people who would have been on duty.
"There should be no room for one-person errors because one of the other people should jump in and say 'hang on...'," he said.
"The most likely cause of this is a failure in machinery or steering gear, but we just won't know until the authorities have been on board. And even then, they're unlikely to say what's been going on for some considerable time."

[user104658]

…Arista, you are so precise about accuracy and truth and yet you randomly post such a thing that you have no idea about…it may have been the same ship involved in that minor incident but it was 8 years ago and we have no idea as to any of the crew at that time or their roles etc…

It's surely likely to have been a mostly entirely different crew... so if it's not coincidence, it suggests design flaws with the ship itself and not human error from the crew.

It does maybe suggest that more safety testing should have been done after the prior incident...

[arista]

…Arista, you are so precise about accuracy and truth and yet you randomly post such a thing that you have no idea about…it may have been the same ship involved in that minor incident but it was 8 years ago and we have no idea as to any of the crew at that time or their roles etc…


Of Course
but it is looking worse for that crew.


These Massive Cargo Ships
need the best crew to take more care

[Ammi]

It's surely likely to have been a mostly entirely different crew... so if it's not coincidence, it suggests design flaws with the ship itself and not human error from the crew.

It does maybe suggest that more safety testing should have been done after the prior incident...

…yeah this was one ‘speculation’…and although it’s someone who does have expertise in maritime safety etc…it is obviously just a ‘distant eye’ of higher possibilities, which is as you say…maybe looking toward design flaw/machine error, type thing…but obviously there now will be a very lengthy investigation and if there is any ‘human culpability’ I’m sure that will be discovered also…


Machinery error 'most likely' cause of crash, says expert
A maritime safety expert says the "most likely" cause of the crash was a failure in the ship's machinery.
David McFarlane, director of Maritime Risk and Safety Consultants Ltd, told Sky News: "The first thing that springs to my mind is: was there a sudden fault with the ship's engines or the steering gear? The other, of course, is: was there a navigational error?"
Mr McFarlane said a human error was less likely because of the number of people who would have been on duty.
"There should be no room for one-person errors because one of the other people should jump in and say 'hang on...'," he said.
"The most likely cause of this is a failure in machinery or steering gear, but we just won't know until the authorities have been on board. And even then, they're unlikely to say what's been going on for some considerable time."

[Ammi]

Of Course
but it is looking worse for that crew.


These Massive Cargo Ships
ned the best crew to tale more care

…we don’t know if there is any significant crew error that would have any bearing on the crash and we don’t know of any crew today being the same as any 8 year ago crew so to say it’s all a pathetic crew/one pathetic crew of the same is inaccurate….

[arista]

Poxy sub contractors - no good


["We can confirm that the container vessel “DALI”,
operated by charter vessel company Synergy Group,
is time chartered by Maersk and is carrying
Maersk customers’ cargo."

It adds that no Maersk crew and personnel were
onboard the vessel.

"We are closely following the investigations
conducted by authorities and Synergy,
and we will do our utmost to keep
our customers informed."]

[user104658]

…we don’t know if there is any significant crew error that would have any bearing on the crash and we don’t know of any crew today being the same as any 8 year ago crew so to say it’s all a pathetic crew/one pathetic crew of the same is inaccurate….

I agree, if it had been last month then maybe more to be suspicious about with incompetence but 8 years is a long time for what will be a tough/physically demanding role, most if not all of the crew will be completely different I'd have thought.

But it is the same ship so that's probably the place to start.

[Ammi]

I agree, if it had been last month then maybe more to be suspicious about with incompetence but 8 years is a long time for what will be a tough/physically demanding role, most if not all of the crew will be completely different I'd have thought.

But it is the same ship so that's probably the place to start.

…yeah for sure, two direct impacts in the life of a ship is very much ‘not the norm’, I would say from an inexperienced eye view…so that feels like a good place to start, to look also at the investigations that took place in 2016 and any ship faults/flaws/mechanical failures etc that may have been a factor…looking for any adverse common factors with the two incidents…

[bots]

Here is another view of the ship. It's huge and will have a ridiculous weight on board. It's impossible to manoeuvre something like that quickly

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2024/3/26/0fd58833-86e9-4ae9-b024-5085b7f57684.jpg

[Ninastar]

Do yall know how many times I have been on this bridge?? Hundreds of times. It has ALWAYS terrified me

I hate bridges so much and this is just terrifying

[Ninastar]

Still waiting to hear if family and friends are okay

[UserSince2005]

As a former American this really upsets me.

[Zizu]

What do we know about the captain at this stage ?


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[MTVN]

Still waiting to hear if family and friends are okay

Hope they're all safe and sound 🙏

[MTVN]

From BBC:

The ship set off from Baltimore's Seagirt Marine Terminal at around 00:24 local time on Tuesday, en route for Colombo, Sri Lanka.

Its speed steadily increased and it maintained a straight route south east along the Patapsco River.

Then at 01:25 MarineTraffic data shows that the ship suddenly diverted from its straight course and began to slow down.

Around this time, video shows that all lights on the exterior of the ship suddenly turned off and smoke began emanating from the ship's funnel.

Shortly afterwards it hit the bridge.

Synergy said the crew, who are all Indian nationals, and the two pilots on board had all been accounted for and there were no reports of any injuries.

The company said there were several possible explanations for the incident but that, with two pilots present, such a crash was unusual.

A shipping expert told the BBC that the crash could have been caused by engine failure, steering failure or generator blackout.

[Cherie]

Still waiting to hear if family and friends are okay

I thought of you, and we also have family in Maryland but they are all okay thankfully, hope all your friends and family are safe

[Niamh.]

Do they have any idea of casualties yet? That's terrifying. Hope all your people are OK Caitlin

[Livia]

Still waiting to hear if family and friends are okay

Thought of you as soon as I heard about this. Sending love and good wishes... Hope your loved ones are all okay x

[user104658]

Here is another view of the ship. It's huge and will have a ridiculous weight on board. It's impossible to manoeuvre something like that quickly

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2024/3/26/0fd58833-86e9-4ae9-b024-5085b7f57684.jpg

That thing sends a chill down my spine. As a really odd and specific phobia I have - "big things + water" is a major (irrational??) fear. Whales for example, DISGUSTING. So this thing... it's so massive. The weight & momentum it would have is just unfathomable and it's not actually surprising that it could completely demolish a bridge.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Close up clip of boat hitting structure of Francis Scott Baltimore Bridge.

https://x.com/BGatesIsaPyscho/status/1772575297369518093?s=20

[Niamh.]

That thing sends a chill down my spine. As a really odd and specific phobia I have - "big things + water" is a major (irrational??) fear. Whales for example, DISGUSTING. So this thing... it's so massive. The weight & momentum it would have is just unfathomable and it's not actually surprising that it could completely demolish a bridge.

That's a thing, i have it as well. Especially big metal things like ships or Oil rigs

[Ammi]

Still waiting to hear if family and friends are okay

…have you heard from everyone ok now, Caitlin…?…will you let us know when you know that all of your loved one are safe…:hug:…I can’t imagine what you must have felt when you heard about the crash earlier as it happened…

[Crimson Dynamo]

Andrew Tate has a theory..

https://x.com/Cobratate/status/1772584641024741519?s=20

[Niamh.]

Andrew Tate has a theory..

https://x.com/Cobratate/status/1772584641024741519?s=20

Wouldn't give him the views

[Maru]

Local family woke me up to tell me this news worried our in-laws may have been commuting. They're further north than this so don't think they would even take this path, but still depressing to have heard about this this morning.

[Niamh.]

Local family woke me up to tell me this news worried our in-laws may have been commuting. They're further north than this so don't think they would even take this path, but still depressing to have heard about this this morning.

They're ok though are they Maru? You've heard from them since?

[Zizu]

Andrew Tate has a theory..

https://x.com/Cobratate/status/1772584641024741519?s=20


Not looked

Guessing he’s suggesting that it was a woman driver ?


Or is he suggesting that it’s the same people who supposedly planted all the bombs in the twin towers LOL

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[Cherie]

What a miracle, the bridge was closed to traffic a few hours earliler, sadly no miracle for some of the workers on the bridge but the fatalities could have been so much higher

[Cherie]

Andrew Tate has a theory..

https://x.com/Cobratate/status/1772584641024741519?s=20

The lights went out for sure just before it hit, very strange

[Crimson Dynamo]

What a miracle, the bridge was closed to traffic a few hours earliler, sadly no miracle for some of the workers on the bridge but the fatalities could have been so much higher

you can see what looks like two HGV's cross just before the bridge is hit

[Ammi]

Baltimore Key Bridge collapse live updates: At least 6 people missing as officials say ship made 'Mayday' call before crash

At least six people remain unaccounted for after a large cargo ship crashed into a pillar of Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge on Tuesday morning, causing it to collapse.

A total of eight workers who were fixing potholes on the bridge fell into the Patapsco River below. Two people have since been rescued, officials said.

Maryland Gov. Wes Moore declared a state of emergency and said the crash appears to be an accident, noting there was "no credible evidence of a terrorist attack."

President Biden said he will travel to Baltimore "as quickly as I can." He said the federal government will pay to rebuild the bridge, and added that the Port of Baltimore — which halted vessel traffic amid the collapse — supports 15,000 jobs.

The 1.6-mile bridge, named after the poet who wrote “The Star-Spangled Banner," spans a major thoroughfare of East Coast shipping. It's also the entryway to the port, which is the largest port in the U.S. for specialized cargo like trucks, tractors and trailers.


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/live/baltimore-key-bridge-collapse-live-updates-at-least-6-people-missing-as-officials-say-ship-made-mayday-call-before-crash-114855010.html

[Ninastar]

I didn’t hear from my aunt for a few hours, even after calling her so I was panicking a lot. But luckily on my lunch break she called me back and she’s okay.

I have other family there too that I’m just not as close too and they actually had friends driving to the airport like pretty much at that exact time and they missed it by minutes

Crazy isn’t it?

[Ammi]

I didn’t hear from my aunt for a few hours, even after calling her so I was panicking a lot. But luckily on my lunch break she called me back and she’s okay.

I have other family there too that I’m just not as close too and they actually had friends driving to the airport like pretty much at that exact time and they missed it by minutes

Crazy isn’t it?

…that really must cause them to feel quite a chill, that they missed it by minutes…that thought might be something they have a lot for a while as well…I’m so happy that your aunt is ok, that all of your family and friends are ok…such an anxious day for you…:hug:…

[Ninastar]

…that really must cause them to feel quite a chill, that they missed it by minutes…that thought might be something they have a lot for a while as well…I’m so happy that your aunt is ok, that all of your family and friends are ok…such an anxious day for you…:hug:…

I had news about a relative having cancer pretty much everywhere and it’s untreatable. So I was super sad about that, but then my aunt from Baltimore called me so I was really happy.

Like depressing news to the happiest news within less than 2 mins

It has been A DAY

[arista]

They still have 6 dead bodies,
and the rest,
to get out of that cold water

[arista]

Still searching for dead bodies

[Ninastar]

Depending on how strong the current is, they could be anywhere now

[arista]

Depending on how strong the current is, they could be anywhere now


Yes,
sadly it may take some days.

[Maru]

They're ok though are they Maru? You've heard from them since?

Yes, I'm in constant contact with MIL through IM. We're a very tech-connected family, especially given the distance. :laugh:

Thanks for asking, btw, but we are fine... a bit more worried about what it means for B-more.

[Ammi]

…I’m so glad that your loved ones are all fine, Maru….I imagine that so many in all parts of the US are watching their screens and holding their breath a bit, while the search in the waters continues for those still not found…and so many services gathering to help in any way they can…


I had news about a relative having cancer pretty much everywhere and it’s untreatable. So I was super sad about that, but then my aunt from Baltimore called me so I was really happy.

Like depressing news to the happiest news within less than 2 mins

It has been A DAY

…awwwww…..I’m so, so sorry, Caitlin…:hug:….your emotions have really taken a few tumbles today…I’m so sorry for your relative, that’s such a sad thing to hear…but as am glad that you got to experience that joy as well in being assured that your aunt was ok…one of those days, eh…when you just hold those you love that bit closer and that bit tighter…and I know that’s what you’ll be doing as well…:hug:…

[arista]

What do we know about the captain at this stage ?





That Massive Cargo Ship
was operated by


Sub Contractors of 2 Pilots

[Beso]

That Massive Cargo Ship
was operated by


Sub Contractors of 2 Pilots

And

https://images.app.goo.gl/QtpMefdXz4aSciQg7

[Maru]

Do yall know how many times I have been on this bridge?? Hundreds of times. It has ALWAYS terrified me

I hate bridges so much and this is just terrifying

I grew up practically staring at Houston's Ship Channel bridge, so I understand. Of course I crossed it many times probably, and used to listen to the workers and ships sailing by. My house was built higher up, so I could literally watch the boats... and every once in a while a ginormous moon coming out of the horizon. It had its pros. We were very close, maybe a few (several) blocks from the Channel...

Anyway, they had a crash in 2000 and they're still trying to rebuild it and then "fix" the rebuild...

If you love crossing bridges, you'll love this about it (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidney_Sherman_Bridge#/map/0):

Controversy
The bridge clearance is 135 feet (41 m), which some officials have deemed too low for ships to navigate.[1] By the time the V-struts supporting the mainspan were put in place, the Port of Houston claimed the struts were an even more dangerous hazard to ships that must veer from the middle of the waterway. By some accounts, port officials protested, but TxDoT did not listen to their pleas. The bridge cost TxDoT $19 million in its current configuration; a higher clearance would have cost more, and the agency went on to investigate that ships did not need 120 feet (37 m). This decision proved to be a mistake. Several ships have collided with the bridge over 27 years, but despite this, the bridge only suffered minor damage and was still intact. That all changed in December 2000, when a cargo crane struck the bridge, knocking a hole in the concrete deck and damaging a steel beam. The damage took six weeks to repair, forcing several lanes to be closed in the process.[2] The worst accident, though, happened in May 2001, when a freighter's cargo boom caused severe damage to a girder and put another gaping hole in the span. Several lanes of the bridge were closed for two months while repairs were completed.

TLDR: We really suck at infrastructure and planning.

…I’m so glad that your loved ones are all fine, Maru….I imagine that so many in all parts of the US are watching their screens and holding their breath a bit, while the search in the waters continues for those still not found…and so many services gathering to help in any way they can…

Yes, I'm feeling most for the families of those involved. It's too sudden a way to lose someone and to think nothing of what they must've went through.


An aside, because of where it is located, I'm sure that it will get rebuilt relatively quickly. Baltimore doesn't care so much about the QoL of its citizens so its less because of that, but that there's an understated massive national interest in that area between govt contractors, the NSA, proximity to DC, the military, etc... they're already talking about getting Congress involved, so no doubt it'll get funded and fixed. Congress moves at a snails pace at getting even basic things done, if at all, so the fact they would move this quickly should tell us something...

[smudgie]

That Massive Cargo Ship
was operated by


Sub Contractors of 2 Pilots

Normal procedure for the pilots to see them clear of the port.
The pilots will be familiar with that particular port.

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-3baca280-71cb-4437-a5cc-1a707d33fd7b.png

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-e5eb3c07-e697-457c-9ec8-d63f56731505.png

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/ACE6/production/_133026244_croppedtel1001cg-dtndt-1-270324-a001c-dt.png.webp

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/FB06/production/_133026246_croptim.001.1gm.27mar_1185838785-nc.png.webp

[Ammi]

…’still missing..’…’presumed dead’…for a loved one it must be like dying inside again and again until the bodies are recovered and then that takes away the most distant and slim hope they might have still had…

[Mystic Mock]

I had news about a relative having cancer pretty much everywhere and it’s untreatable. So I was super sad about that, but then my aunt from Baltimore called me so I was really happy.

Like depressing news to the happiest news within less than 2 mins

It has been A DAY

I'm sorry to hear about one of your relatives having Cancer.

But obviously happy that your Aunt isn't caught up in this Baltimore Bridge incident.

[Ammi]

Miguel Luna, from El Salvador, was one of the six people on the Francis Scott Key Bridge when it collapsed after being hit by a 289m-long cargo ship.

Those missing were reported to be construction workers who were on the bridge fixing potholes. All six worked for Brawner Builders, and are presumed dead by authorities.

Baltimore bridge latest: Follow live updates

A relative of Mr Luna told Sky News they were distraught as they waited for news about him, and said that some members of his family were taken by police to a location in Baltimore where they could be with the other families of the missing.

Jose Campos, a colleague of Mr Luna, also told Sky: "My supervisor called me in the morning and told me they had rescued one of my colleagues but he was in a coma.

"I never imagined something this awful could happen. The path where the boat goes was supposed to be a safe zone."

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/QLrKvOvcOcCCOAWskluMlQ--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTk2MDtoPTU3MA--/https://media.zenfs.com/en/sky.com/ebff2588b15d6888009e6aa54d2ab95b

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/baltimore-bridge-collapse-first-missing-042300191.html

[Ninastar]

Ughhhh without sounding racist, I was worried it would be immigrants working on the bridge. We don’t always do the best documenting here, which means that those who are missing may not ever be properly identified.

[Ninastar]

Thanks guys for all the well wishes. I truly appreciate it.

[Maru]

Maryland is a sanctuary state so I don't think that would be as much of an issue. They give drivers licenses to undocumented and are actively pro-immigrant.

Latest legislation: https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/02/16/undocumented-immigrants-barrier-success/

[Ammi]

Thanks guys for all the well wishes. I truly appreciate it.

Maryland is a sanctuary state so I don't think that would be as much of an issue. They give drivers licenses to undocumented and are actively pro-immigrant.

Latest legislation: https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/02/16/undocumented-immigrants-barrier-success/

…any updated news, ladies…of any more of the construction workers…?…as Caitlin said, only one has been named so far so maybe there are issues in verifying identification …?…

[Ammi]

Baltimore bridge collapse: Second of six missing workers named - as divers search river for bodies


The second missing construction worker who fell into the river as the Baltimore bridge gave way below him has been named as Maynard Sandoval.

The 37-year-old, a father of two, is one of six men on the Francis Scott Key Bridge fixing potholes when it collapsed after being struck by a 289m-long cargo ship - the Dali.

The first missing person identified earlier was Miguel Luna, a 49-year-old father of six, from El Salvador.

Two Guatemalan foreign nationals aged 26 and 35 are also presumed dead, the country's foreign ministry confirmed.

All six who worked for Brawner Builders are presumed to be dead by authorities as divers search the water for bodies, having recovered the black box from the Dali.

A relative of Mr Luna told Sky News they were distraught as they waited for news about him, and said that some members of his family were taken by police to a location in Baltimore where they could be with the other families of the missing.

Jose Campos, a colleague of Mr Luna, also told Sky: "My supervisor called me in the morning and told me they had rescued one of my colleagues but he was in a coma.

"I never imagined something this awful could happen. The path where the boat goes was supposed to be a safe zone."

He said all the men were migrants from "humble, low-income families" sending money to relatives back home.

Maryland Governor Wes Moore said he spoke to the families of the victims, assuring them since the mission had transitioned from search and rescue to recovery he would "put every possible resource to bring [them] a sense of closure".

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/LrqRG_TgZNtnsv8y4EI_0w--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTk2MDtoPTU3MA--/https://media.zenfs.com/en/sky.com/3ab31ff78eb62a6f7c59ad50333641f1


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/baltimore-bridge-collapse-first-missing-042300191.html

[Maru]

Them being Gautemalan is helpful as its more specific. I lived in an area where many do live in. They are very nice people but very standoff ish and private. Much much more so than Hispanics are here (the standoffish part). They are heavily employed there in the service industry. MD is very expensive to live in in most places.

It could also be because of the language barrier. And the media simply being not able to find contacts for them. I would not be surprised if they just don't want their relatives information all over the news. It won't necessarily help them being found any sooner and Baltimore residents are similar to New Yorkers that knowing what has happened, if they see anything out of the ordinary, they will speak up. Baltimore's community is great in that way.

Edit: There is less support locally there for integrating as far as language. Here, there is a big enough community of bilingual businesses and communities alike, its no issue. ESL has always been prominent, but more schools now do some class instruction in Spanish.

Also I hate typing on mobile.

[Ammi]

Them being Gautemalan is helpful as its more specific. I lived in an area where many do live in. They are very nice people but very standoff ish and private. Much much more so than Hispanics are here (the standoffish part). They are heavily employed there in the service industry. MD is very expensive to live in in most places.

It could also be because of the language barrier. And the media simply being not able to find contacts for them. I would not be surprised if they just don't want their relatives information all over the news. It won't necessarily help them being found any sooner and Baltimore residents are similar to New Yorkers that knowing what has happened, if they see anything out of the ordinary, they will speak up. Baltimore's community is great in that way.

Edit: There is less support locally there for integrating as far as language. Here, there is a big enough community of bilingual businesses and communities alike, its no issue. ESL has always been prominent, but more schools now do some class instruction in Spanish.

Also I hate typing on mobile.

…yeah, I understand everything you’re saying, Maru ….and you’re explaining it all very well regarding the community …I just hope that none remain ‘un-named’ or unknown, I should say…and that all of their relatives are informed so that they’re able to grieve…it’s just layering more sadness and tragedy on, you know…

[arista]

Update: police confirm 2 more dead bodies found
in a car below in the water.


4 more still to locate in the freezing water.

they confirmed.

[Ammi]

Two bodies found in pickup truck deep underwater after Baltimore bridge collapse

Divers have discovered the remains of two construction workers found in a red pickup truck that plunged into Baltimore’s harbour after a bridge collapsed.

The bodies were pulled from the freezing Patapsco River on Wednesday morning, a day after the Dali container ship lost power and collided with the Francis Scott Key Bridge, knocking most of it into the water.

They were identified as Alejandro Hernandez Fuentes, 35, from Mexico, and Dorlian Ronial Castillo Cabrera, 26, from Guatemala, and discovered in the pickup around 25 feet of water on Wednesday.

Four other construction workers are unaccounted for and presumed dead, the Coast Guard said. They were repairing potholes on the bridge when it collapsed at 1.30am on Tuesday.

Officials announced on Wednesday night they were suspending their recovery operation because of the increasingly treacherous conditions in the water.

“Because of the superstructure surrounding what we believe were the vehicles and the amount of concrete and debris, divers are no longer able to safely navigate and operate around that,” said Col Roland Butler, the superintendent of Maryland State Police.

“We have exhausted all search efforts.”

…full article…

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/mexican-president-criticises-us-government-203048936.html

[Ammi]

3 fake claims about the Baltimore bridge collapse you may have seen online…


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/baltimore-bridge-collapse-fake-claims-133604927.html


…we seem to live in conspiracy theory-land… maybe it’s a social media bi product…

[Zizu]

3 fake claims about the Baltimore bridge collapse you may have seen online…


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/baltimore-bridge-collapse-fake-claims-133604927.html


…we seem to live in conspiracy theory-land… maybe it’s a social media bi product…


No mention of the ‘women driver’ conspiracy ..


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[arista]

Here is another view of the ship. It's huge and will have a ridiculous weight on board. It's impossible to manoeuvre something like that quickly

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2024/3/26/0fd58833-86e9-4ae9-b024-5085b7f57684.jpg

Yes, last Tuesday
this Accident - Tragedy
stopped the port from trading

Some car parts can go by road
to other ports.



Large Image from above

https://dynaimage.cdn.cnn.com/cnn/digital-images/org/a029c29d-7e06-4d4c-b80d-d71c5f4ed19b.jpg