Police investigate Angela Rayner over her house sale

[arista]

Yes she was registered to vote
in her up North Home
but lived in her London home.

She was just live on GMBHD itv
saying she has done nothing wrong.

BBC1 AM would not show that clip
as they did not want to get people channel hopping



[Greater Manchester Police is reassessing
its decision not to investigate claims
Labour's deputy leader Angela Rayner
gave false information on official documents.

It followed a complaint from a Conservative MP.

Ms Rayner has denied any wrongdoing
relating to where she was registered
as living after her marriage in 2010.

Tory MP James Daly had asked police
to investigate whether she had given
false information or broken electoral rules.

Earlier this month, the police said
they had found no evidence any
offence had been committed.

However, in a statement a spokesperson
for Greater Manchester Police said:
"We have received a complaint regarding
our decision not to investigate an allegation
and are in the process of
reassessing this decision.

"The complainant will be updated
with the outcome of the reassessment
in due course."]




Fess up Raynor

[arista]

https://twitter.com/GMB/status/1773283717810700577

Watch how many times she blinks

[joeysteele]

Whatever the outcome here.
If anyone has done wrong it should be exposed.

However the police are NOT at this time investigating Raynor.

Due to pressure from political enemies, they are only re- assessing their own decision before to NOT investigate her.
They may well reach the same conclusion they did before.

[arista]

[However the police are.]

Sure, soon they can change that
position.


And it can go on this thread

[arista]

I smell, Deception
Joey.

From the full Live Interview today on ITV1HD

[Crimson Dynamo]

She comes across as a thoroughly unlikeable sleekit individual

quite horrid

[arista]

She comes across as a thoroughly unlikeable sleekit individual

quite horrid


She started blinking alot
at that tricky question.

Watch the tweet
below

[arista]

https://twitter.com/GMB/status/1773283717810700577

[bots]

Someone who is not very nice doesn't automatically become a criminal. It seems to me that many public "servants" are guilty of fraud in one way or another. They have just been getting away with it for so long, they think it's acceptable

[Oliver_W]

Plenty of people have a couple of homes :shrug:

[arista]

Plenty of people have a couple of homes :shrug:


Yes Oliver
watch the tweet

One home is registered to Vote
official
she never used that other house in 2010


Deception

[joeysteele]

She started blinking alot
at that tricky question.

Watch the tweet
below

She always blinks.

I've met her many times.
She always blinks no matter the conversation.

Along with likely millions of other people.

The police felt she'd done nothing wrong before.
I'll wait and see what they do now.
Before I'd join the hard line Con campaign against her.
Even before the police decision again.

[Liam-]

The tories once again pressuring the police to investigate something completely irrelevant in order to smear their opposition

[Zizu]

The tories once again pressuring the police to investigate something completely irrelevant in order to smear their opposition


Well I’d agree that Angela Rayner is indeed an irrelevance…


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[arista]

No Joey she blinked more times


When lying

[arista]

The tories once again pressuring the police to investigate something completely irrelevant in order to smear their opposition

No Liam


This is HMCR

Legal Matter


https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/hm-revenue-customs

[Oliver_W]

Well I’d agree that Angela Rayner is indeed an irrelevance…


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The Deputy Leader of the Opposition? Possible future Deputy Leader of the Government?

An irreverence? Really?

[Cherie]

The tories once again pressuring the police to investigate something completely irrelevant in order to smear their opposition

its possible tax evasion, Nadim Zahwawi was also investigated and quite rightly so

[arista]

its possible tax evasion, Nadim Zahwawi was also investigated and quite rightly so


Good point
Wise Cherie

[joeysteele]

its possible tax evasion, Nadim Zahwawi was also investigated and quite rightly so

The police looked at this and saw nothing to act on.

The Con MP has complained again.
So as in any complaint, the police are looking at their decision not to investigate her.
As they'd need to do.

However at this time she is not being investigated by the police
Unlike Zahawi who was.

If they decide to investigate her, IF, since they saw nothing before to do so.

Then that's fine.
At present this just looks more like a witch hunt.
I'm no Raynor fan.
However I actually think it very possible the police will see nothing that's criminal again to investigate here.

[joeysteele]

No Joey she blinked more times


When lying

She blinks when she's saying what she had for tea
Is that lying too.
How petty.

[bots]

The police looked at this and saw nothing to act on.

The Con MP has complained again.
So as in any complaint, the police are looking at their decision not to investigate her.
As they'd need to do.

However at this time she is not being investigated by the police
Unlike Zahawi who was.

If they decide to investigate her, IF, since they saw nothing before to do so.

Then that's fine.
At present this just looks more like a witch hunt.
I'm no Raynor fan.
However I actually think it very possible the police will see nothing that's criminal again to investigate here.

Even if the police decide to go forward with it, it still has to get the stamp of approval from the CPS, it's not like a spot fine during covid times

[UserSince2005]

Of course she corrupt. People just like her because she speaks like she was raised by wolfs

[Cherie]

The police looked at this and saw nothing to act on.

The Con MP has complained again.
So as in any complaint, the police are looking at their decision not to investigate her.
As they'd need to do.

However at this time she is not being investigated by the police
Unlike Zahawi who was.

If they decide to investigate her, IF, since they saw nothing before to do so.

Then that's fine.
At present this just looks more like a witch hunt.
I'm no Raynor fan.
However I actually think it very possible the police will see nothing that's criminal again to investigate here.

oh I see, yeah it will be a bit odd if they overturn the original decision, though from what I have read I think there was something dodgy going on

[joeysteele]

oh I see, yeah it will be a bit odd if they overturn the original decision, though from what I have read I think there was something dodgy going on

Oh it's possible, the world of politics sadly is full of odd cover ups and wrongdoing.

The Cons seem rather obsessed with Raynor however, in extreme ways.
Some admiring others fearing her style in politics.

Conservative Lord Michael Ashcroft has written a book which he calls an unauthorised biography of Raynor.
Titled ' The Red Queen'.

[Zizu]

The Deputy Leader of the Opposition? Possible future Deputy Leader of the Government?

An irreverence? Really?


I said ‘ irrelevance’ as I really don’t like her …



One of my favourite Rayner snippets :

Her childhood, she has said, was “full of fear”. She was a carer for her bi-polar mother, who would accidentally give her dog food or shaving foam to eat because she could not read the labels on the tins. Rayner has spoken about pestering friends to let her eat at their houses on Sundays or she would not be fed.


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[smudgie]

Surely it is between the council and the taxman.:shrug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Surely it is between the council and the taxman.:shrug:

Not when the person involved is who she is or who she could become


no

[Liam-]

I said ‘ irrelevance’ as I really don’t like her …



One of my favourite Rayner snippets :

Her childhood, she has said, was “full of fear”. She was a carer for her bi-polar mother, who would accidentally give her dog food or shaving foam to eat because she could not read the labels on the tins. Rayner has spoken about pestering friends to let her eat at their houses on Sundays or she would not be fed.


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That’s a reason you don’t like her?

[Zizu]

Another Rayner track from her Best Of album

::

Getting down to business, Rayner tried a gotcha. ‘What is the average hourly rate of care-workers in this country?’ Easy for Boris. He trumpeted the virtues of the Tories’ national living wage. Rayner claimed this as a win. Hardly. She has two faults as an inquisitor. Her estimate of her own powers is exaggerated. And she can’t improvise new arguments if her pre-jotted questions become irrelevant. Boris was well prepared today and he gave long, meticulously detailed answers. Her dismay was palpable. ‘Oh. Has he finished?’ she said, after the PM had briefed the house about Britain’s top position in the European league of Covid-testing.

The session turned into pure Alice in Wonderland. Rayner accused Boris of breaking promises which he’d plainly kept. She said he hadn’t got a winter action plan. He’d just announced a winter action plan. She said that 62,000 people were being tested daily. He’d said that 240,000 were being tested daily. She asked him to deliver a funding package for care-homes. He’d just mentioned a £600 million care-home package. When she brought up birthing women who miss their husbands, he said, ‘I perfectly understand the point she makes. And she’s entirely right.’

How to find fault there? ‘I’ll take that as a yes,’ she said sniffily. Boris clearly enjoyed being pelted with Rayner’s fluffy cushions . And his pleasure ought to have bothered her enormously. But it didn’t. After her sixth question, she sat down while Boris delivered a rhapsodic tribute to the resilience and good sense of the British people. She studied him throughout
with shiny-eyed interest, smirking mysteriously and occasionally licking her lips. It was extraordinary. Her gaze deserved its own Oscar-winning sound-track – swelling violins, throbbing drums, a heavenly solo from a silver trumpet.


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[Zizu]

That’s a reason you don’t like her?


I said ONE of …. another is her supposedly seductive , distracting leg crossings whenever she she was sat directly opposite Boris .,



There’s so much to dislike and remember I don’t even like politics or support any party

They are all as inept , corrupf and abhorrent as each other .


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[Oliver_W]

I said ONE of ….

There’s so much to dislike and remember I don’t even like politics or support any party

They are all as inept , corrupf and abhorrent as each other .


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Why would having a mentally ill mother be a reason to dislike her?

[Liam-]

I said ONE of …. another is her supposedly seductive , distracting leg crossings whenever she she was sat directly opposite Boris .,



There’s so much to dislike and remember I don’t even like politics or support any party

They are all as inept , corrupf and abhorrent as each other .


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You mean the misogynistic attacks based on her having the audacity to wear a skirt at work? Jeez, just string her up

[Zizu]

You mean the misogynistic attacks based on her having the audacity to wear a skirt at work? Jeez, just string her up


I haven’t seen her for a while but she used to dress rather inappropriately for a leading politician ..


I rather admire your naivety though
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[Zizu]

Oh and everyone wearing masks because we were scared at that time !!

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[Zizu]

She’s the gift that just keeps giving …

The old ‘attention seeking’ slit skirt

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[Oliver_W]

What's wrong with you?

What are you going to pick on next? Are you going to say her hair's too long for a woman of her age? What point were you trying to make by showing her tattoo?

[Liam-]

I haven’t seen her for a while but she used to dress rather inappropriately for a leading politician ..


I rather admire your naivety though
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It’s a bloody skirt

[Crimson Dynamo]

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Unacceptable clothing in the House of Commons

[Oliver_W]

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Unacceptable clothing in the House of Commons

That hat is unusual.

[Zizu]

What's wrong with you?

What are you going to pick on next? Are you going to say her hair's too long for a woman of her age? What point were you trying to make by showing her tattoo?


It could be construed as inappropriate for a potential future prime minister


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[Zizu]

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Unacceptable clothing in the House of Commons


That was at a christening

:)


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[Zizu]

It’s a bloody skirt


The idea that she wasn’t trying to either get Boris’s attention or simply distract him when she was crossing / uncrossing her legs ( session after session) directly opposite a lecherous guy like Boris is kinda cute


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[Zizu]

What's wrong with you?

What are you going to pick on next? Are you going to say her hair's too long for a woman of her age? What point were you trying to make by showing her tattoo?


As I said I don’t care for her ..

It’s a free country if you hadn’t noticed


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[bots]

I remember my old boss years ago saying to me, "no-one has any respect for someone wearing a suit these days" .... This thread very much reminds me of that

[joeysteele]

Considering Johnson wandered round with his shirt out his trousers.
Hair like a badly made bird nest.
She looks very smart.

However being fair to Johnson here, on the issue of the accusation of her trying to distract him.

He himself categorically stated, that he disagreed with a lot Raynor stood for, HOWEVER he respected her as a parliamentarian and abhorred the misogyny being directed at her on this matter.

So he thought it utter nonsense too.

[Liam-]

The idea that she wasn’t trying to either get Boris’s attention or simply distract him when she was crossing / uncrossing her legs ( session after session) directly opposite a lecherous guy like Boris is kinda cute


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Your problem should be with said lecherous guy potentially getting overly distracted by a woman wearing a skirt to work, than the women wearing a skirt to work, which is completely normal

[Zizu]

Your problem should be with said lecherous guy potentially getting overly distracted by a woman wearing a skirt to work, than the women wearing a skirt to work, which is completely normal


It was presumably a bit of both … so they’re both equally culpable.

Everyone knows what Boris is like both she’s hardly a flamin’ angel ffs

Five minutes on Google shows she’s spent the last 15 years getting her legs out at any and every photo opportunity .




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[thesheriff443]

[QUOTE=Zizu;11435121]It was presumably a bit of both … so they’re both equally culpable.

Everyone knows what Boris is like both she’s hardly a flamin’ angel ffs

Five minutes on Google shows she’s spent the last 15 years getting her legs out at any and every photo opportunity .

And what’s wrong with a woman getting her legs out!
You are a hypocrite because if it’s someone you fancy you lap it up

[smudgie]

Poor Angela.
She can’t do right for doing wrong.
Nothing wrong with her dress sense, we live in the 21st Century, not the 1800’s

[Crimson Dynamo]

As if Boris did not have enough to deal with what with COVID, he did not need legs and co flashing her pins at him and falling out her dress

IV seen a couple of pics of her ample cleavage and does she not know Boris has a charming young wife??

[Zizu]

[QUOTE=Zizu;11435121]It was presumably a bit of both … so they’re both equally culpable.

Everyone knows what Boris is like both she’s hardly a flamin’ angel ffs

Five minutes on Google shows she’s spent the last 15 years getting her legs out at any and every photo opportunity .

And what’s wrong with a woman getting her legs out!
You are a hypocrite because if it’s someone you fancy you lap it up


It’s all about basic , acceptable standards and inappropriate behaviours … it’s not science of the rocket …


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[Liam-]

Wearing a skirt to work is not inappropriate

[thesheriff443]

[QUOTE=thesheriff443;11435125]


It’s all about basic , acceptable standards and inappropriate behaviours … it’s not science of the rocket …


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Thankfully your opinion doesn’t count

[Zizu]

Wearing a skirt to work is not inappropriate


No sh1t Holmes .. bonus marks for missing the main point again though

Are you always this obtuse ?


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[Liam-]

Are you always this misogynistic?

[arista]

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[joeysteele]

Oh that great avoider of truth, the gutter trash Mail.

She has actually said, she will produce her tax records if the Cons produce all theirs.
Which they won't.

Why anyone follows and takes notice of publications like the Mail or any other so called news papers, mystifies me.

Beats me as to why people are moaning about struggling with cost of living and energy costs.
Yet spend hundreds of pounds a year on ALL the now NON news? papers.
Who mostly print nonsense in the main now.

So much so they'd be better placed on comic or fiction stands

[Zizu]

Are you always this misogynistic?


Clearly not given I prefer women over men in just about every conceivable situation..

Football and boxing / MMA the obvious exceptions


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[Zizu]

Such a classy broad … fake fur coat , leapard-skin leggings and dock martin boots

Not many can pull that look off ..

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[bots]

Zizu continues his attacks on how women dress

[Zizu]

Zizu continues his attacks on how women dress


Woman


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[arista]

Back on Topic

Raynor refuses to publish her data
of 2010

The person who advised her is dead

So Publish the Bloody Details


Ref: SkyNewsHD, GMBHD itv

[Ammi]

…I love that Angela Rayner has her own very definite style identification…to me that shows a strong presence who can hold their own and stand out in a male dominated world of politics and that’s what we would…/…or I would want to see from any politician as a good foundation …in terms of strong women and fashion/style and being an individual leader in their field, Vivienne Westwood is right up there as a British icon and she would have and always did veer from ‘the more traditional’….i personally don’t want my political people to be ‘uniform’, I want to see who they are and feel their individuality because they can be so important to our lives…

[Ammi]

…in terms of style as well…Angela is someone very refreshing to me as opposed to having a Prada draped PM that just screams….’I’m pretty much completely of a different species to many of the people I represent’…Rishi wears Prada and apparently the devil does as well…:NOT MY POLITICIAN banner:….

[AnnieK]

The misogyny and sexism in this thread os astounding. Unbelievable

[Mystic Mock]

She blinks when she's saying what she had for tea
Is that lying too.
How petty.

So she's just a big blinker in general? Because if that's the case it could just be that she's nervous.

[Mystic Mock]

I said ‘ irrelevance’ as I really don’t like her …



One of my favourite Rayner snippets :

Her childhood, she has said, was “full of fear”. She was a carer for her bi-polar mother, who would accidentally give her dog food or shaving foam to eat because she could not read the labels on the tins. Rayner has spoken about pestering friends to let her eat at their houses on Sundays or she would not be fed.


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Isn't Rayner a sympathetic figure in that scenario?:conf:

[Beso]

Someone who is not very nice doesn't automatically become a criminal. It seems to me that many public "servants" are guilty of fraud in one way or another. They have just been getting away with it for so long, they think it's acceptable

Oh I know, those awful post office managers think they can do whatever they like, its disgusting.

[Mystic Mock]

I haven’t seen her for a while but she used to dress rather inappropriately for a leading politician ..


I rather admire your naivety though
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Hey! There might be a reason to follow Politics more often.:joker:

You're selling the product, Zizu.:laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

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Unacceptable clothing in the House of Commons

I say that we change the clothing etiquette at the House Of Commons.:creep:

[Mystic Mock]

Poor Angela.
She can’t do right for doing wrong.
Nothing wrong with her dress sense, we live in the 21st Century, not the 1800’s

I agree.

And I am being serious when I say that btw, no pervy jokes or anything like that.:laugh:

I feel like people should dress how they want to dress, as long as you're at least wearing something anyway.:joker:

[arista]

Look if she Broke the Law
it will come out.

She knows what she did wrong
in 2010.

If she has done NOTHING WRONG,
simply Publish her 2010 DATA

[joeysteele]

Well done Mock for lifting the mood on this thread.

I personally agree with Ammi too in what she says.

Blinking in itself is not a sign of lying
It's other mannerisms and hand gestures and movements that more likely indicate people being economical with the truth.

I've a cousin that blinks incessantly when anyone is talking to her .
Always has done.

As for publishing anything, why should she .
Since it's private advice and finances.

If, I stress IF she is found by police or other standards committees to have done wrong
Then that's the time to publish such private documents.

As she says, when the Cons publish all their advice and tax issues freely, then so will she
I won't hold my breath waiting for Cons to do so nor their hard-line supporters expecting them to.

[arista]

[If, I stress IF she is found by police or other standards committees to have done wrong
Then that's the time to publish such private documents.]

At last,
some Great Words on this thread.

[Mystic Mock]

Well done Mock for lifting the mood on this thread.

I personally agree with Ammi too in what she says.

Blinking in itself is not a sign of lying
It's other mannerisms and hand gestures and movements that more likely indicate people being economical with the truth.

I've a cousin that blinks incessantly when anyone is talking to her .
Always has done.

As for publishing anything, why should she .
Since it's private advice and finances.

If, I stress IF she is found by police or other standards committees to have done wrong
Then that's the time to publish such private documents.

As she says, when the Cons publish all their advice and tax issues freely, then so will she
I won't hold my breath waiting for Cons to do so nor their hard-line supporters expecting them to.

Thanks Joey.:blush:

What evidence are the Tories expecting to find on her that they didn't find the first time?

[Oliver_W]

Such a classy broad … fake fur coat , leapard-skin leggings and dock martin boots

Not many can pull that look off ..

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You're not even attacking her for anything substantive- if you went after her for calling Tories "scum", you might have a point in that she acted in an "unparliamentary manner", and that's better than going on about her clothes.


And for the record, my only problem with her using that word was that she effectively handed a narrative over to the Tories and the gutter-press, and anything else from her speech was basically ignored.

[Zizu]

You're not even attacking her for anything substantive- if you went after her for calling Tories "scum", you might have a point in that she acted in an "unparliamentary manner", and that's better than going on about her clothes.


And for the record, my only problem with her using that word was that she effectively handed a narrative over to the Tories and the gutter-press, and anything else from her speech was basically ignored.


I honestly can’t find one redeeming feature about her … apart from being female of course


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[joeysteele]

Thanks Joey.:blush:

What evidence are the Tories expecting to find on her that they didn't find the first time?

I haven't a clue as it seems there's nothing new from what was known before.

The police decided then there was nothing to investigate as to her directly.
It may well be they reach the same conclusion.

It's a Con MP who reported it to the police, when they refused to investigate.
He made a complaint about their decision.
So they have to look over it again because they have to honour complaints.

The only thing this highlights to me is that across the board a lot of things need simplifying as to MPs affairs with the fullest transparency from the lot of them.

[bots]

I honestly can’t find one redeeming feature about her … apart from being female of course


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I don't like her, but her achievements in politics have to be admired

[Mystic Mock]

I honestly can’t find one redeeming feature about her … apart from being female of course


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I can think of a few.

[Mystic Mock]

I haven't a clue as it seems there's nothing new from what was known before.

The police decided then there was nothing to investigate as to her directly.
It may well be they reach the same conclusion.

It's a Con MP who reported it to the police, when they refused to investigate.
He made a complaint about their decision.
So they have to look over it again because they have to honour complaints.

The only thing this highlights to me is that across the board a lot of things need simplifying as to MPs affairs with the fullest transparency from the lot of them.

It just appears to be quite petty from the Tory MP tbh.

How many Politicians around the world have been involved in dodgy crimes? Yet it feels like Angela Rayner is being harshly singled out imo.

And that's if she is even guilty of what she's being accused of.

[Beso]

Eddie Izzard could pull that off.

[Crimson Dynamo]

chilling

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[arista]

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Yes my Love
do not worry
the general election is not for months ahead

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[thesheriff443]

They all do it
Same as starmer and the 100 grand piece of land he didn’t declare

[arista]

The Daily Mail on Sunday
has proof
due to her tweets

[Mystic Mock]

The Daily Mail on Sunday
has proof
due to her tweets

What did she say in her tweets?

[arista]

What did she say in her tweets?


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[Mystic Mock]

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I'll be interested to know what the Mirror and the Guardian have got to say about this.

Because if they correlate with what the Daily Mail is saying, then it pretty much confirms it in my eyes.

[arista]

Sky News Text:
[The Tory party chairman has accused
Keir Starmer of not doing enough to
probe claims about Angela Rayner's
property dealings]

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[Cherie]

I have thought all along that it was absurd that she claimed she was living apart from her husband and children when they were not separated :shrug: If she had just owned up and payed the tax it would be forgotten by now instead she has insisted on lying

[arista]

Police investigate Labour deputy leader
Angela Rayner over council house sale

4 minutes ago



She should pay the £1500 fine.



[Greater Manchester Police have
launched an investigation into Labour's deputy
leader Angela Rayner over the sale
of her council house.
She has been accused of breaking electoral
law by giving false information about
her main residence.

Ms Rayner denies this and Labour said it
remains "completely confident" she has complied
with all the rules.

The police investigation has been
prompted by a complaint
from Tory MP James Daly.

A police spokesperson said:
"We're investigating whether any offences
have been committed.
This follows a reassessment
of the information provided to us by Mr Daly."]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68797258

[arista]

She was registered to vote
from one house only.

This is the problem.

SkyNewsHD Live.

[joeysteele]

Good.

Now with this it may be sorted one way or the other.
The Police cannot be accused of any weakness now by really looking into it.

She maintains all was in order.
The investigation may well result in the police reaching that inclusion.
Or of they find wrongdoing it's right it is found to be wrong.

They maybe would have been wiser to investigate when the first complaint was made.
However, that's where it's at now so that is good.

Because if the police do now see nothing wrong after a full investigation.
Then the Mail and the Con MP will have to accept that.

Just as if the police do find she did anything wrong, then it's up to her to then face the consequences of that.

I don't know, we don't know, neither do the police until they've investigated.
I hope they can do this as quickly as possible, that shouldn't be too difficult to do.

No one, no matter their position or who they are should be above the law.
She has the full chance now with the police to show she did nothing wrong.
Or they can prove she did.

I'm pleased they are to investigate this otherwise it would have tumbled up to and during the election campaign to come.
If she's done wrong, she'll need to definitely make a decision on her future.
If the police find nothing wrong, it cannot then be raised against her in the election.

Personally I don't think the police had any choice after a new complaint being made, to them actually do an investigation.

[arista]

"Now with this it may be sorted one way or the other."


Yes Joey

Pay up or Not Pay up

[Oliver_W]

Why was she so determined to keep £1.5k?

I mean, capital gains tax basically is theft, and anyone who can legally avoid it absolutely should.

But it doesn't sounds like she used legal avoidance, and for someone prominent in politics, moreover who carps on about doing when the Tories try to keep more of their own money, she should know better.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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your turn luv?

[arista]

Starmer thinks a Line,
will be drawn,

After the Police Investigation.

[joeysteele]

Except she is actually 'NOT' the Prime Minister nor ever likely to be.
Even without this investigation.

In fact at present she isn't even part of a government.

Personally I didn't and don't agree with her statement on Johnson.
Once he was found guilty then he should have gone right off however.

Just as she should if found to have done wrong here.
Which up to now, she still hasn't been yet.
That's now down to the Police findings.
If they find any wrong.

[Zizu]

Except she is actually 'NOT' the Prime Minister nor ever likely to be.
Even without this investigation.

In fact at present she isn't even part of a government.

Personally I didn't and don't agree with her statement on Johnson.
Once he was found guilty then he should have gone right off however.

Just as she should if found to have done wrong here.
Which up to now, she still hasn't been yet.
That's now down to the Police findings.
If they find any wrong.


I get the feeling she certainly has ambitions to be prime minister ..


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[joeysteele]

Well she has done right in saying in the last few minutes that she's done nothing wrong.

However if she is found to have broken the law then she will stand down..
That's the right course of action.

[joeysteele]

I get the feeling she certainly has ambitions to be prime minister ..


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I think the majority of MPs have ambitions to possibly have a chance to be Prime Minister.

Near all of them really disappointed.
Plus rarely do those that may be thought to be possibly good PMs, ever get to be so.

Usually the wrong choices are the successful ones.

[arista]

Raynor has stated
she will step down
if found guilty.

[Crimson Dynamo]

she should step down for her dress sense

she is a walking midden

[joeysteele]

Raynor has stated
she will step down
if found guilty.

The right thing to do.

If she's found NOT to have however, perhaps the Con MP who made the complaint to the police should step down too.
For making false accusations.

[Livia]

She called for Boris to step down just for being under investigation. That's called hypocrisy.

[joeysteele]

Although me having said that.

Breaking rules and laws seems to be more a ticket to be PM in recent years.

The current PM was actually found by a police investigation to have broken a law too.

[Crimson Dynamo]

She called for Boris to step down just for being under investigation. That's called hypocrisy.

She called people in her own profession "Scum"

there is no knowing what she might do if given a little power


...........

[Beso]

Her and wee nicky selling tents in a lesbians only tent shop in a few months.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

Police are looking into the Location
she was living at, breaking election law.
Matters to them.

Any Fine comes from the tax office.

This is all if she is found Guilty.


Ch4HDnews 7PM

[Sticks]

She should have resigned not just as deputy but also as a member of parliament with the "I am resigning so I can clear my name"

She has no honour
Labour has no honour

Lets have every seat in the next parliament occupied by a Brexit loving Tory. Send Labour to electoral oblivion once and for all!!!

[Sticks]

To be clear

An accusation is enough to require a resignation.
No smoke without fire

[arista]

To be clear

An accusation is enough to require a resignation.
No smoke without fire

Police will inform us if she broke Election Rules.

[joeysteele]

Police will inform us if she broke Election Rules.

That's absolutely right

[bots]

Well no actually, police will decide if its worth giving to the crown prosecution, who will then decide if it should be taken further

[joeysteele]

Well no actually, police will decide if its worth giving to the crown prosecution, who will then decide if it should be taken further

It will be because of THE police investigation that anything gets taken further.
As arista said, the police will 'inform', after their investigation, if any wrong has been evident.

[Crimson Dynamo]

:think:

One of these people is under investigation by Manchester Police

One of these people is in charge of Manchester Police

One of these people is the chief political reporter who will be covering the investigation by Manchester Police


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[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Mystic Mock]

Her and wee nicky selling tents in a lesbians only tent shop in a few months.

The best kind of Tent Shops.:smug:

[Mystic Mock]

She should have resigned not just as deputy but also as a member of parliament with the "I am resigning so I can clear my name"

She has no honour
Labour has no honour

Lets have every seat in the next parliament occupied by a Brexit loving Tory. Send Labour to electoral oblivion once and for all!!!

Neither party has honour at the moment.

Especially not the party that's governed the UK into the ground over the last 15 years.

[arista]

Fridays London Paper Front Page


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[Sticks]

RESIGN NOW

[arista]

BBC News Text:
[Labour's deputy leader Angela Rayner
is facing mounting pressure to resign,
after one of her former aides reportedly told police
she was lying about her living arrangements.
In a statement, Matt Finnegan,
Rayner's former chief adviser said her
"actual" home was the property
she was living in with her
then husband,
not the former council house were she
was registered on electoral roll.
The shadow cabinet minister has
denied any wrongdoing.]


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[bots]

it will be very easy to determine where she was actually living. Energy bills etc will be higher in the place she actually lived. Neighbours would see them coming and going or not, depending where they lived. Nobody will be getting fooled

[smudgie]

it will be very easy to determine where she was actually living. Energy bills etc will be higher in the place she actually lived. Neighbours would see them coming and going or not, depending where they lived. Nobody will be getting fooled

Ah, but wasn’t her brother living/renting in the council house, that she bought at a large discount due to supposedly living there a good while.:shrug:
Reckon the council could well look into this as well.

[bots]

Ah, but wasn’t her brother living/renting in the council house, that she bought at a large discount due to supposedly living there a good while.:shrug:
Reckon the council could well look into this as well.

council tax is different on 2nd properties too, so if she has lied about that, that is a criminal offence. People have been jailed over council tax fraud

[arista]

Sky News Text:
[The Times says the police investigation
into Labour's deputy leader Angela Rayner
is examining several allegations and is not
limited to possible electoral law offences.]


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[Zizu]

Sky News Text:
[The Times says the police investigation
into Labour's deputy leader Angela Rayner
is examining several allegations and is not
limited to possible electoral law offences.]


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Send her ‘dawn’ guvnor …


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[bots]

there are 12 police officers investigating her now, thats a sizeable team, so i don't think they can be accused of not being thorough

[Zizu]

there are 12 police officers investigating her now, thats a sizeable team, so i don't think they can be accused of not being thorough


I have never liked anything about her so I hope she’s squirming in one of her properties


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[Mystic Mock]

I have never liked anything about her so I hope she’s squirming in one of her properties


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But what if she's innocent though, Zizu?

[joeysteele]

But what if she's innocent though, Zizu?

IF she was found to have not done anything personally wrong.

There'll be accusations then of a whitewashing of the complaint.
With some she could never win.

However as bots has stated, it appears the police are not leaving any stone unturned here.
So IF and I stress IF she's declared as not doing any criminal act.
She will be more likely innocent.

However she has clearly stated if she is found to have commited any criminal act.
She will stand down.
Plus would have to pay up too if there is any discrepancies as to any tax.

[Zizu]

But what if she's innocent though, Zizu?


I’ll worry about that then :)


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[arista]

Sky News Text:
[The Daily Telegraph has the latest from an
investigation into Labour deputy leader
Angela Rayner's financial affairs.]

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[Mystic Mock]

IF she was found to have not done anything personally wrong.

There'll be accusations then of a whitewashing of the complaint.
With some she could never win.

However as bots has stated, it appears the police are not leaving any stone I turned here.
So IF and I stress IF she's declared as not doing any criminal act.
She will be more likely innocent.

However she has clearly stated if she is found to have commited any criminal act.
She will stand down.
Plus would have to pay up too if there is any discrepancies as to any tax.

I just wonder what the Tory MP is hoping to achieve here? Even if she's guilty, Sunak isn't going to beat Starmer as it currently stands.

They need to be finding dirt on him, not Rayner.

But that's just me looking at it from a preservation of the current Government perspective, thankfully the Tory Government isn't seeing it that way, so we can finally be rid of them.:joker:

[Mystic Mock]

I’ll worry about that then :)


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Fair enough.

[Ammi]

there are 12 police officers investigating her now, thats a sizeable team, so i don't think they can be accused of not being thorough

…if she’s ‘guilty’ then why is a team of 12 officers needed to pursue that…it really is The Hounding of Angela Rayner…/…excerpts of the book serialised daily in your local tabloids…put a big enough team on it for long enough and you will find something….she’s there, she’s in the public sight…she’s not going anywhere and she’s no threat to public safety etc…and 12 officers are scouring every nook and every corner …?…while people who ‘are known to the police’ are out there, hurting people and …oh, there’s nothing we can do until they harm/kill…so in the meanwhile, we’ll busy ourselves with Angela Rayner ….not a great and look for the police force…(…again…)…

[Zizu]

Fair enough.


Although …,



Stockport council and the police are understood to be reviewing whether Ms Rayner claimed a single person’s council tax discount on her former house on Vicarage Road while allowing her brother to live there.
If her brother was living at the property with her, as she claims, she would not have been eligible for the discount because there can only be one adult resident in the property.

Alongside the council and capital gains tax claims, Ms Rayner has also been accused of wrongly declaring her permanent address on the electoral register, which is an offence. After they married in 2010, she re-registered the births of her two sons giving the Lowndes Lane address as their home.

The police investigation centres on the fact that she was registered on the electoral roll at the Vicarage Road house but is alleged to have been living at her husband’s home at the time.


Angela Rayner is facing new questions (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/17/who-could-be-investigating-angela-rayner-and-for-what/) about her financial affairs after it emerged that capital gains tax may be owed on another property.
Ms Rayner, Labour’s deputy leader, insists that a house she sold for a large profit (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/12/angela-rayner-council-house-police-probe-explainer/) in 2015 was her main residence – which, if true, means her husband Mark Rayner should have paid capital gains tax on a property he sold the following year.
Tax experts said the couple would have had “two bites of the cherry” if neither paid capital gains tax when the properties were sold.


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[Cherie]

12 people working on this seems a bit OTT

[joeysteele]

I just wonder what the Tory MP is hoping to achieve here? Even if she's guilty, Sunak isn't going to beat Starmer as it currently stands.

They need to be finding dirt on him, not Rayner.

But that's just me looking at it from a preservation of the current Government perspective, thankfully the Tory Government isn't seeing it that way, so we can finally be rid of them.:joker:

The Cons fear her Mock.

I'm not mad on her myself but she can be a formidable campaigner.

There's plenty dirt on him.
His wife's non dom status which they only changed once there was a more publicised attention to that.

Plus he too like Johnson had broken the COVID laws imposed on the Nation when Johnson was PM and Sunak Chancellor supporting Johnson too.
So duly was given a fixed penalty for that, like Johnson.

I can't wait to see his smug arrogant face change IF he and his band of deceitful backside crawling Ministers, with a host of his current heartless Con backbenchers hopefully get slung out of power.
When he DARES to eventually call the election rather than forcing the voters to have to wait until the likely near last minute to cast their own judgement on him and his heartless cronies.

[Mystic Mock]

…if she’s ‘guilty’ then why is a team of 12 officers needed to pursue that…it really is The Hounding of Angela Rayner…/…excerpts of the book serialised daily in your local tabloids…put a big enough team on it for long enough and you will find something….she’s there, she’s in the public sight…she’s not going anywhere and she’s no threat to public safety etc…and 12 officers are scouring every nook and every corner …?…while people who ‘are known to the police’ are out there, hurting people and …oh, there’s nothing we can do until they harm/kill…so in the meanwhile, we’ll busy ourselves with Angela Rayner ….not a great and look for the police force…(…again…)…

I thought that this was myself that posted this for a second.

Because I agree with every word said in this post, Ammi, you're 100% right in what you're saying.

[Mystic Mock]

The Cons fear her Mock.

I'm not mad on her myself but she can be a formidable campaigner.

There's plenty dirt on him.
His wife's non dom status which they only changed once there was a more publicised attention to that.

Plus he too like Johnson had broken the COVID laws imposed on the Nation when Johnson was PM and Sunak Chancellor supporting Johnson too.
So duly was given a fixed penalty for that, like Johnson.

I can't wait to see his smug arrogant face change IF he and his band of deceitful backside crawling Ministers, with a host of his current heartless Con backbenchers hopefully get slung out of power.
When he DARES to eventually call the election rather than forcing the voters to have to wait until the likely near last minute to cast their own judgement on him and his heartless cronies.

Tbh I have no real opinion on Rayner either way, it just seems unfair that she's being singled out for allegedly breaking Tax laws, when this same Government allows singers, actors, and other politicians get away with the same crime.

And I do believe that barring a complete and utter shambles scenario happening, I feel like Keir Starmer will become PM of the UK.

Whether Starmer/current Labour leading the country will be a good thing? Tbh I don't have the most confidence from what I've seen of him and his leadership of the Labour Party up to this point, but I feel like we have no choice but to take the risk on him.

[Mystic Mock]

Although …,



Stockport council and the police are understood to be reviewing whether Ms Rayner claimed a single person’s council tax discount on her former house on Vicarage Road while allowing her brother to live there.
If her brother was living at the property with her, as she claims, she would not have been eligible for the discount because there can only be one adult resident in the property.

Alongside the council and capital gains tax claims, Ms Rayner has also been accused of wrongly declaring her permanent address on the electoral register, which is an offence. After they married in 2010, she re-registered the births of her two sons giving the Lowndes Lane address as their home.

The police investigation centres on the fact that she was registered on the electoral roll at the Vicarage Road house but is alleged to have been living at her husband’s home at the time.


Angela Rayner is facing new questions (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/17/who-could-be-investigating-angela-rayner-and-for-what/) about her financial affairs after it emerged that capital gains tax may be owed on another property.
Ms Rayner, Labour’s deputy leader, insists that a house she sold for a large profit (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/12/angela-rayner-council-house-police-probe-explainer/) in 2015 was her main residence – which, if true, means her husband Mark Rayner should have paid capital gains tax on a property he sold the following year.
Tax experts said the couple would have had “two bites of the cherry” if neither paid capital gains tax when the properties were sold.


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She'll be stepping down soon if this is proven to be true.

[bots]

One of the worst things you can do from a criminal point of view is try and dodge paying council tax. Councils are ruthless in getting their money, and do regularly put people in prison

[Ammi]

One of the worst things you can do from a criminal point of view is try and dodge paying council tax. Councils are ruthless in getting their money, and do regularly put people in prison

…although that’s true, I think that The Hounding of Angela Rayner is much more layered than that …it’s just that now, they feel there is something to have her step down or step out for…but she’s been in the sights for a while and long before this, hasn’t she…the ‘worst’ thing is surely calling the Tory ‘scum’…which was completely and absolutely wrong and she unreservedly apologised for …she’s an uppity working class gal and she ‘teases’ those poor Parliament men by crossing her legs/while wearing a skirt at the same time…and that’s something they don’t want to see outside of their private clubs…if she’s dodging tax, if that’s the only layer…?….then that doesn’t equate with 12 police officials investigating, this is something…(…imo…)…quite more multi layered than that…and that’s why they’ll dig and dig and dig until something is found…

[bots]

i do think her card has been marked. I expected 2 or 3 police resources to be put on this at a maximum. I don't know if she is guilty or innocent, but she has gone after very powerful people in the recent past and they have clearly plotted their revenge before they get flung out of power later in the year

[Mystic Mock]

One of the worst things you can do from a criminal point of view is try and dodge paying council tax. Councils are ruthless in getting their money, and do regularly put people in prison

I do agree with what you're saying.

It's just crazy from a moral perspective, that the Government and the Councils are more bothered by Tax Fraud (which I don't support tbh) but they'll go for that way harder than they will on actual evil crimes like murder, paedophilia, rape, and people that throw Acid onto other people.

It's sick and twisted imo.

[Sticks]

If this had been a tory, then the whip would have been removed and the local party would have deselected her.

For the good of the party, to quote Oliver Cromwell, "In the name of God, Go!"

[Crimson Dynamo]

Labour destroyed documents that could have revealed Rayner’s living arrangements
Party says selection papers from deputy leader’s candidate application ‘disposed of’ in line with ‘data protection requirements’ (at the weekend)

[Sticks]

And you thought the Tories were dishonest...

[arista]

Labour destroyed documents that could have revealed Rayner’s living arrangements
Party says selection papers from deputy leader’s candidate application ‘disposed of’ in line with ‘data protection requirements’ (at the weekend)


Typical of Starmer

[arista]

[The front page the paper uses the word
"beleaguered" about deputy
Labour leader Angela Rayner amid more
revelations about her property paperwork.
Ms Rayner has previously denied any
wrongdoing in relation to her property
sales and capital gains tax payments.]



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[arista]

BBC News Text :
[Deputy Prime Minister Angela Rayner
has reduced her tax bill by declaring
her new flat in Hove as her main residence,
according to the Daily Telegraph.

The paper suggests Rayner has saved
£40,000 by making the declaration
on her new £800,000 flat, but also makes clear
this is "entirely legal".]

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[Cherie]

She literally has no shame

So once again she is being super dodgy about her living arrangements, the people who elected her will be delighted that she no longer sees her home there as her primary residence

[Zizu]

Sounds like she has all the qualities to make a high profile politician


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[Crimson Dynamo]

So, AngelaRayner is understood to have removed her name from the deeds of
her house in Greater Manchester a few weeks before buying an £800,000
seaside flat in Hove, East Sussex.

She then told the tax authorities the seaside flat was her main home.

The change enabled her to save approx. £40,000 in stamp duty charges.

[Oliver_W]

Surely if your constituency MP moves to basically the other side of the country, you can call a bielection?

[Cherie]

Gets worse her main home for Council Tax payments is in Manchester


Surely she cannot keep her job?

[thesheriff443]

They are all the same when it comes to cooking the books

It does put a smile on my face when voters think they are voting for someone they can trust to represent them in parliament
The rich get richer and the poor get poorer that will never change

I’ve never voted and never will because it’s a waste of time

[Oliver_W]

I only ever vote for local independents or spoil, I'm not voting for any party.

[bots]

What this does more than anything is encourage the GBP to gain the system in everything that they do. If the deputy PM thinks it's ok, then it's ok for everyone. It will be interesting when they next take people to court for doing the same type of stuff

[arista]

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[arista]

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