Australia : Sydney Shopping Centre : Terrorist Stabber 6 dead

[arista]

5PM there.

Police have shot him

Early reports,


SkyNewsHD Live


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/04/13/08/83583773-0-image-m-2_1712992759827.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/04/13/08/1712992196937_lc_galleryImage_13_APRIL_2024_SYDNEY _NSWW.JPG


[Four shoppers are feared dead before
knifeman is fatally shot by police at
Bondi Junction Westfield

Four people are feared dead following
a terrfiying stabbing attack at Bondi Junction Westfield
shopping centre before the knifeman was
fatally shot by police.

Multiple other shoppers have been
injured in the attack, with the Westfield complex
going into lockdown just before 4pm on Saturday]

[Female police officer fatally shoots alleged
knifeman after terrifying shopping centre attack]



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/live/article-13303923/Westfield-Bondi-Junction-incident-live.html

[bots]

it's 5 dead now

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLBxJB9XQAA9L93?format=jpg&name=small

[Ammi]

…another awful act of hate…unimaginable how the loved ones and families of those killed are feeling right now…it just feels that we say this too often in the world of now…very, very dreadful…

[Kazanne]

jesus,I have a nephew working in Sydney, hope he is safe, thoughts with those who have died, what is wrong with some people ?

[Mystic Mock]

I honestly don't know what to say anymore.

Besides the obvious concern for the people that were attacked.

[Mystic Mock]

jesus,I have a nephew working in Sydney, hope he is safe, thoughts with those who have died, what is wrong with some people ?

Have you tried to contact him?

[Vanessa]

jesus,I have a nephew working in Sydney, hope he is safe, thoughts with those who have died, what is wrong with some people ?

Omg I hope he's ok.

[Vanessa]

I have muslim friends, so they're definitely not all bad. But the Islamic extremists are really violent and dangerous.

[Mystic Mock]

I have muslim friends, so they're definitely not all bad. But the Islamic extremists are really violent and dangerous.

Of course they're not all bad.

Unfortunately though, there does seem to be a reasonable portion of them that are, which I know is not the most politically correct thing for me to say, but there are too many incidents like this from the Muslim community, to just dismiss as a really tiny minority.

I mean it is a minority of Muslims that are bad, don't get me wrong in saying that, but I also think that it's possibly higher than 10% of the community that are bad at this point, because it's too common with these incidents.

I mean tbf, maybe it's my jaded look on Religion in general that's clouding my view here, I don't know.

[bots]

now 6

[arista]

Stabbing a 9 month baby


Glad the Copper Killed him

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLBxJB9XQAA9L93?format=jpg&name=small

Evil Terrorist


Good the Police Lady got to level 5 to shoot him DEAD

[arista]

I honestly don't know what to say anymore.

Besides the obvious concern for the people that were attacked.

Murdered by a Terrorist aged 40

[UserSince2005]

Been to bondi junction Westfield many a time. In my younger days I used to change from the metro to the bus to get to bondi beach.
This could have been me if I was a girly.

[arista]

5 women Dead
1 man Dead


They hope the stabbed baby
will pull through

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/04/13/10/83586099-13303971-image-a-62_1713000029221.jpg

[arista]

[Sydney knifeman, 40, who killed five
women and one man in Westfield
shopping centre bloodbath targeted
screaming mother and her baby first
before unleashing 30 minutes of horror

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13303971/Knifeman-goes-rampage-Sydney-Four-feared-dead-shopping-centre-stabbing-spree-attacker-shot-killed-police.html
before lone female cop shot him dead]

[UserSince2005]

So is he Muslim or not? He does look Muslim but why is he wearing an afl shirt?

[arista]

So is he Muslim or not? He does look Muslim but why is he wearing an afl shirt?


Police need to say.

[UserSince2005]

Actually looking at the shirt it looks to have Arab writing on it.

[bots]

5 of the 6 victims were women

[Ammi]

The NSW police commissioner, Karen Webb, said in a press conference on Saturday evening the attacker was a 40-year-old man but he was yet to be formally identified. Police did not believe his motive was related to terrorism, she said.

“If it is the person we believe it is, we don’t have fear for that person holding an ideation,” Webb said. “In other words, that it’s not a terrorism incident.”

“We believe that this person acted alone and there’s no ongoing threat to the community,” Webb said.


…full article…

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/major-police-incident-bondi-reports-062000803.html

[Ammi]

Actually looking at the shirt it looks to have Arab writing on it.

…it does seem to specify in the reporting that he was wearing an Australian Rugby League shirt…not sure why that’s relevant to report…?…but yeah, that’s what it appears to be…

[arista]

…it does seem to specify in the reporting that he was wearing an Australian Rugby League shirt…not sure why that’s relevant to report…?…but yeah, that’s what it appears to be…


Yes a Local there
said it is an old one.

[Ammi]

Yes a Local there
said it is an old one.

…I’m not sure, Arista…looking it up just now, it seems as though it could be a 2023/2024 design, so a recent one…

[arista]

He walked into that shopping Centre
with a Massive Hunting Knife.

Not known as a Terrorist.

But he acted like a Terrorist
in my view.

[arista]

[The baby is undergoing surgery in hospital.]

9 month old baby stabbed
by that Evil Terrorist

[bots]

See, i think anyone that walks into a public place and stabs and kills innocents is a terrorist

[Ammi]

….(…I think…)…when the Australian police authorities have said that they don’t feel it’s ‘a terrorism incident…’…it’s more in informing that it’s not aligned to any group/ideology but of course it’s still an incident that was terrorising for all and has taken innocent lives….whatever people want to label it, for me I just call it evil…an horrendous evil act…

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLBxJB9XQAA9L93?format=jpg&name=small


Yes Evil
Massive Hunter Knife Killer


Well done the Lady Police Officer
up on level 5,
he went to attack her,
she correctly shot him dead.

[Vanessa]

Well done to the lone police officer. :clap1:

[Kazanne]

Have you tried to contact him?

Yes we have but they are 12 hours ahead so he could be asleep or working,Im sure he will be ok it just worrying when things like this happen and you have a relative or friend over there, Im sure someone would have contacted us so Im presuming he's ok,Im going to message him again now.

[Kazanne]

Omg I hope he's ok.

Im sure he will be ok Vanessa, it's just a bit worrying at first. He has just messaged back he is fine, but how awful for those involved.

[arista]

The Mother of the Baby who was stabbed
has died from her knife wounds

[Kazanne]

The Mother of the Baby who was stabbed
has died from her knife wounds

Oh that's so sad,

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/04/13/14/83590413-0-image-a-1_1713014944709.jpg

[arista]

[First-time mother, 38, stabbed to death
in Sydney shopping centre knife rampage
as her nine-month-old baby daughter fights for life:
Victim's tragic final posts are revealed as witnesses
describe how she tried to throw her daughter to safety
Ash Good, 38, was among the six shoppers
at Sydney's Bondi Junction Westfield who
were killed today]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13304329/Pictured-time-mother-38-stabbed-death-Sydney-shopping-centre-knife-rampage-nine-month-old-baby-daughter-fights-life-Victims-tragic-final-posts-revealed-witnesses-tried-throw-daughter-safety.html

[Crimson Dynamo]

"Another day. Another terror attack by another Islamist terrorist. Six dead, others seriously injured, including a baby.

Today it's Australia's turn, the other day it was France's. It'll be our turn again next.

How long do our governments think we're going to put up with this?"

https://x.com/JuliaHB1/status/1779089461839569201

[Livia]

Killing people is bad enough, but a baby? It's beyond words.

[arista]

Image of the Lady Cop
over the dead terrorist, using her Radio Communication.

Warning: shows blood.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLCYb50XYAAn9p0?format=jpg&name=medium

[rusticgal]

This is so tragic...

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/04/13/12/83588615-13303971-image-a-11_1713008756520.jpg

This Evil Killer had 15 minutes
until the Lady Cop shot him dead.


[Sydney knifeman, 40, who killed five women
and one man in Westfield shopping centre bloodbath
'was known to police' and targeted
screaming mum and her baby first
before unleashing 15 minutes of horror
until lone female cop shot him dead]

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/04/13/12/83588807-13303971-image-m-13_1713009224321.jpg

Taken from a Video
of the killer running on a lower floor.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/04/13/08/83583217-13303971-Shoppers_run_though_Bondi_Junction_as_police_lock_ down_the_centr-a-49_1712994304251.jpg

Good they have Boards
that instruct folks to leave.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13303971/Knifeman-goes-rampage-Sydney-Four-feared-dead-shopping-centre-stabbing-spree-attacker-shot-killed-police.html

[Crimson Dynamo]

I wonder how long we will now wait for a name?


:think:

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/world-news/2024/04/13/TELEMMGLPICT000373780834_17130194951800_trans_NvBQ zQNjv4BqNEaEPVj0ukpq09fI7aH1yHGTJFJS74MYhNY6w3GNbO 8.jpeg?imwidth=1280

Ashey Good, 38, was stabbed to death while trying to protect her baby daughter in the Sydney shopping centre Terror attack

[arista]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/world-news/2024/04/13/TELEMMGLPICT000373780834_17130194951800_trans_NvBQ zQNjv4BqNEaEPVj0ukpq09fI7aH1yHGTJFJS74MYhNY6w3GNbO 8.jpeg?imwidth=1280

Ashey Good, 38, was stabbed to death while trying to protect her baby daughter in the Sydney shopping centre Terror attack


That is so sad.

[Crimson Dynamo]

That is so sad.

Very similar to Dublin attack on children by Arab man

[Ninastar]

Going after women and babies? So brave. Such courage

[Ninastar]

I don’t believe Sydney was even on the list of places that are on red alert rn. Seriously scary times.

[Mystic Mock]

Stabbing a 9 month baby


Glad the Copper Killed him

The Officer should be given a medal.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The Officer should be given a medal.

She had a gun and she is paid to do such work.

[Mystic Mock]

She had a gun and she is paid to do such work.

She still killed him, which some Officers might've hesitated to do.

[Mystic Mock]

Yes we have but they are 12 hours ahead so he could be asleep or working,Im sure he will be ok it just worrying when things like this happen and you have a relative or friend over there, Im sure someone would have contacted us so Im presuming he's ok,Im going to message him again now.

Hopefully he is doing okay, Kazanne.

[Crimson Dynamo]

She still killed him, which some Officers might've hesitated to do.

She is an armed officer, its her job that she is trained and paid to do

[Ninastar]

What mock is saying has truth though. A lot of ppl would hesitate to shoot (not in America anyway) and she did the right thing. I know she’s trained to do it but it’s still impressive. Good for her

[Vanessa]

I wonder if it's related in any way to the Israel/Palestinian war. That's causing a rise in terrorism, i reckon.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I wonder if it's related in any way to the Israel/Palestinian war. That's causing a rise in terrorism, i reckon.

I fear you are right Ness

Look at what happened on October 7th...

-----------

Then Moscow.

Then Bordeaux.

Now Sydney.

How long before we see another terror attack in Britain?

[Mystic Mock]

What mock is saying has truth though. A lot of ppl would hesitate to shoot (not in America anyway) and she did the right thing. I know she’s trained to do it but it’s still impressive. Good for her

Exactly.

[Ninastar]

I feel like this is basically all the same boat but different gravy… dating before 9/11

It’s been ongoing for decades

[Ammi]

What mock is saying has truth though. A lot of ppl would hesitate to shoot (not in America anyway) and she did the right thing. I know she’s trained to do it but it’s still impressive. Good for her

…was it not reported this morning that the female officer who shot the attacker, was off duty at the time…but was close by so went there and arrived first on the scene…she engaged with the attacker and shot him when he raised his knife to her…?…

[The Slim Reaper]

It was a radical Jewish terrorist, named Benjamin Cohen. Apologies to those of you using the murder of innocents to prop up your racism.

[Mystic Mock]

It was a radical Jewish terrorist, named Benjamin Cohen. Apologies to those of you using the murder of innocents to prop up your racism.

A terrorist is a terrorist in my eyes.

Apologies about the mix up in which Religion that he was apart of, but either way he was an evil monster.

[Crimson Dynamo]

A terrorist is a terrorist in my eyes.
.

bang on right Mock

[Mystic Mock]

bang on right Mock

I would also like to add that you can't be racist towards a Religion, but I know that's playing with fire.:laugh:

[Ammi]

…it’s still too early for knowing details of the attacker but he is known to the Australian police authorities apparently and known to have had mental health issues….this is part of the most recent CNN article…


‘A law enforcement source briefed on the investigation told CNN the suspect had no prior contact with Australian counterterrorism officials, but had had at least one encounter with New South Wales Police in the past related to mental health issues.’

[The Slim Reaper]

A terrorist is a terrorist in my eyes.

Apologies about the mix up in which Religion that he was apart of, but either way he was an evil monster.

No need to apologise to me dude, but you did claim 200m Muslims were terrorists on page 1.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I would also like to add that you can't be racist towards a Religion, but I know that's playing with fire.:laugh:

Islam is a cult and not a race so I make you right again

:thumbs:

[Crimson Dynamo]

…it’s still too early for knowing details of the attacker but he is known to the Australian police authorities apparently and known to have had mental health issues….this is part of the most recent CNN article…


‘A law enforcement source briefed on the investigation told CNN the suspect had no prior contact with Australian counterterrorism officials, but had had at least one encounter with New South Wales Police in the past related to mental health issues.’

"and known to have had mental health issues"

and every murdering terrorist hasn't?

:joker:

wtaf

[The Slim Reaper]

…it’s still too early for knowing details of the attacker but he is known to the Australian police authorities apparently and known to have had mental health issues….this is part of the most recent CNN article…


‘A law enforcement source briefed on the investigation told CNN the suspect had no prior contact with Australian counterterrorism officials, but had had at least one encounter with New South Wales Police in the past related to mental health issues.’

Now that he isn't a Muslim, the story will become about a loner with MH issues.

No questioning whether the Torah is to blame, no calls for every Jewish person on earth to denounce him, no questions about whether or not he'd been radicalised by Rachel Riley. It's just the way it goes.

[Mystic Mock]

No need to apologise to me dude, but you did claim 200m Muslims were terrorists on page 1.

I never said 200 million Muslims were Terrorists.

Go back to my post on page 1 and read through it, not once did I say that.

[Crimson Dynamo]

maybe we need more women like this..

https://x.com/Red_Pill_US/status/1779199859943485778

[Ammi]

"and known to have had mental health issues"

and every murdering terrorist hasn't?

:joker:

wtaf

…that briefed source is representing the Australian police authorities so your ‘wtaf’ and silly smiley for such a thread topic are actually aimed at them, that they don’t have any knowledge of information or some such thing…/whatever you’re suggesting or laughing at….it’s not directed at me because I’m quoting their information to CNN ….I’ll leave you to your ‘wtaf’ and hilarity smiley and to your amusement at whatever aspect is amusing you…

[Crimson Dynamo]

I never said 200 million Muslims were Terrorists.

Go back to my post on page 1 and read through it, not once did I say that.

Mock said -"I mean it is a minority of Muslims that are bad"

don't let him gaslight you Mock

[Mystic Mock]

Now that he isn't a Muslim, the story will become about a loner with MH issues.

No questioning whether the Torah is to blame, no calls for every Jewish person on earth to denounce him, no questions about whether or not he'd been radicalised by Rachel Riley. It's just the way it goes.

Hopefully the Jewish community will denounce him.

Why would any community want to be associated with this lunatic?

[The Slim Reaper]

I never said 200 million Muslims were Terrorists.

Go back to my post on page 1 and read through it, not once did I say that.

Of course they're not all bad.

Unfortunately though, there does seem to be a reasonable portion of them that are, which I know is not the most politically correct thing for me to say, but there are too many incidents like this from the Muslim community, to just dismiss as a really tiny minority.

I mean it is a minority of Muslims that are bad, don't get me wrong in saying that, but I also think that it's possibly higher than 10% of the community that are bad at this point, because it's too common with these incidents.

I mean tbf, maybe it's my jaded look on Religion in general that's clouding my view here, I don't know.

2 billion Muslims in the world.

[user104658]

I have heard that he's the ex-partner of the first woman attacked (possibly the one with the baby) and he initially set out just to kill her, but then started attacking others as well. Of course, for the most part, other women.

As a disclaimer, I may have been misinformed and don't have a verified source on this.

[Mystic Mock]

2 billion Muslims in the world.

I said probably, I never stated it as a fact.

Plus 200 million out of 2 billion people possibly being bad would be still be quite a small portion of the community.

That's if it was 200 million to begin with.

Obviously I am not stating facts, just opinions.

[Mystic Mock]

Mock said -"I mean it is a minority of Muslims that are bad"

don't let him gaslight you Mock


I like engaging with opposing viewpoints.

I don't like to be in an echo chamber... Possibly.

I respect The Slim Reaper as a member, and his contributions to the Forum.

[The Slim Reaper]

I said probably, I never stated it as a fact.

Plus 200 million out of 2 billion people possibly being bad would be still be quite a small portion of the community.

That's if it was 200 million to begin with.

Obviously I am not stating facts, just opinions.

Of course it was your opinion, because to think there are factually 200m Islamic terrorists in the world is an absolutely mental opinion/take.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I like engaging with opposing viewpoints.

I don't like to be in an echo chamber... Possibly.

I respect The Slim Reaper as a member, and his contributions to the Forum.

don't be bullied Mock for your honest opinions that come from no place of malice

I am sure other member would agree with me here that you would never

[Mystic Mock]

Of course it was your opinion, because to think there are factually 200m Islamic terrorists in the world is an absolutely mental opinion/take.

I never stated it as factual.

[Mystic Mock]

don't be bullied Mock for your honest opinions that come from no place of malice

I am sure other member would agree with me here that you would never

Thanks LT.

I honestly do respect The Slim Reaper's contribution to the Forum though.

Even if he is slightly twisting my posts on this thread a little bit.:laugh:

[The Slim Reaper]

I never stated it as factual.

I never said you did. I pointed out that obviously it was your opinion (which is still bad), because there is absolutely no factual evidence that there are 200m Islamic terrorists in the world. I think you might have misread what i wrote.

[The Slim Reaper]

Thanks LT.

I honestly do respect The Slim Reaper's contribution to the Forum though.

Even if he is slightly twisting my posts on this thread a little bit.:laugh:

I really like you Mock, you're a good dude.

I don't believe I've twisted your words. The only thing I did was the maths. Saying 10% of a community doesn't really sound as big of a number as 200m, so I wanted to spell it out..

[Ninastar]

I don’t think it’s just 10%

IMHO I think it’s more

[Crimson Dynamo]

I really like you Mock, you're a good dude.

I don't believe I've twisted your words. The only thing I did was the maths. Saying 10% of a community doesn't really sound as big of a number as 200m, so I wanted to spell it out..

what percentage do you estimate DONT support JIHAD?

roughly

[Crimson Dynamo]

**puts kettle on

[The Slim Reaper]

what percentage do you estimate DONT support JIHAD?

roughly

Jihad is a scary word, but is pretty much just about living their lives as good, peace-loving Muslims, so every practicing Muslim should subscribe to jihad.

[Crimson Dynamo]

What is a jihad in Islam?

Jihad - from Reliance of the Traveller (Shaji'ite Islamic Law), means to "war against non- Muslims ... to establish the religion (of Islam)."

Also understood as "just war" or "holy war." No other definition of 'jihad'' has ever existed at any point in history in any authoritative Islamic Law.




wow

[The Slim Reaper]

What is a jihad in Islam?

Jihad - from Reliance of the Traveller (Shaji'ite Islamic Law), means to "war against non- Muslims ... to establish the religion (of Islam)."

Also understood as "just war" or "holy war." No other definition of 'jihad'' has ever existed at any point in history in any authoritative Islamic Law.




wow

I mean, that's just not factually accurate, my brother. I don't know what to tell you.

Jihad does have multiple meanings. My definition is the way it is most commonly used within the community.

[Mystic Mock]

I never said you did. I pointed out that obviously it was your opinion (which is still bad), because there is absolutely no factual evidence that there are 200m Islamic terrorists in the world. I think you might have misread what i wrote.

Fair point.:laugh:

I do think that bar an exception in this case, most forms of Terrorism are either committed by Muslims or Christians.

The Jewish community having one incident is not an epidemic within their community, although obviously it's never a good thing when terrorism happens.

[Mystic Mock]

I really like you Mock, you're a good dude.

I don't believe I've twisted your words. The only thing I did was the maths. Saying 10% of a community doesn't really sound as big of a number as 200m, so I wanted to spell it out..

Thanks Slim Reaper.

Tbf I probably got a bit defensive towards the end, I do apologize on that.

[thesheriff443]

I wish death on any man woman or child that would take the life of an innocent person.

[bots]

jihad has different meanings depending on the person or group saying in the same way that we use the word war, it can be a war of words, it can be a war of ideals, it can be a violent and bloody event

[UserSince2005]

I wonder how long we will now wait for a name?


:think:

Mohammed ashablahabuka

[Jordan.]

1779285163165573383

Well

[arista]

Yes
[The man who killed six people in a
horror mass stabbing at Westfield Bondi Junction
has been identified as 40-year-old Joel Cauchi.

The Queensland man was shot dead at the scene.]

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2024/apr/14/australia-news-live-bondi-junction-westfield-mass-stabbing-sydney-nsw-police-karen-webb

[Mystic Mock]

1779285163165573383

Well

Well UserSince2005 came close with the name.:laugh:

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Ninastar]

I’m just glad he’s dead

[arista]

I’m just glad he’s dead


Yes
he killed Women
and stabbed a baby




So it was great the
One Police Officer working
was an Armed Lady Police Officer.

Stopping him from attacking her.

[UserSince2005]

Well UserSince2005 came close with the name.:laugh:

Honestly I impress myself sometimes

[Mystic Mock]

Honestly I impress myself sometimes

Joel and Mohammed sound so much alike don't they?:laugh:

[Ammi]

…there was no connection with any of his victims, then…?…and he’d only just moved to that area very recently…it’s not being reported atm as to how he was known to the police and why they immediately spoke of mental health issues…had he shown violence before…?…has there been any previous arrests or prosecutions etc…I guess we’ll know more over the next few days…

[Ammi]

…the second victim was named as Dawn Singleton…the daughter of a well known Australian entrepreneur….


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[Ammi]

…The third victim has been named as Jade Young by multiple Australian media outlets.

She is the mother of two daughters…

https://au-img-cdn.livecenter.com/lc-aus-images/lcimg-d22142e0-71f8-4b2c-a5b4-fa73976df210.png

[Ammi]

…A fourth victim named in the mass stabbing at an eastern Sydney shopping mall was a security guard reportedly working his first shift at Westfield Bondi Junction.

Faraz Tahir, 30, sought refuge in Australia a year ago after fleeing persecution in Pakistan.

He was a well-known and loved member of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community of Australia and contributed to the organisation’s youth charity.…


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[MTVN]

An incel thing?

I'm surprised the Australian papers are showing him dead on the floor on front pages

[Ammi]

…this from the Telegraph article about the attacker…

Police on Sunday identified the attacker as 40-year-old Joel Cauchi, a mentally unwell man who had recently moved to Sydney from Queensland.

Police believe Cauchi, 40, had lived with schizophrenia and had used drugs including methamphetamine and psychedelics. His family had reportedly held concerns about his interest in knives and other weapons.

Mr Cooke confirmed investigators had searched a storage container used by Cauchi but would not detail whether any items of significance had been found.

“We are continuing to work through the profiling of the offender but very clearly to us at this stage it will appear related to the mental health of the individual,” Mr Cooke said.

“There is still to this point nothing – no information we have received, no evidence we’ve recovered, no intelligence that we have gathered – that would suggest that this was driven by any particular motivation, ideology or otherwise.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/14/sydney-bondi-stabbing-victims-ash-good-baby-dawn-singleton/

[Ammi]

An incel thing?

I'm surprised the Australian papers are showing him dead on the floor on front pages

…I’m not sure it was an incel thing, I think that it’s too soon to know that either and obviously why it would be good to know how he was previously known to the police, which they’ve stated he was…it’s also suggesting an ‘obsession or unhealthy interest’ in knives and other weapons and targeting females could be because he felt more confident in overpowering and harming…?…

[Ammi]

….just too early for much information atm, I think…

[arista]

Some good news
The Baby that was stabbed
has had surgery
and now doing fine.

Her Mother sadly died from her knife attacks.


LBC Headlines

[Kazanne]

Hopefully he is doing okay, Kazanne.

He is fine ,thankyou Mock.:wavey:

[Ammi]

He is fine ,thankyou Mock.:wavey:

….ahhhhh….great news, Kaz….:love:…

[Kazanne]

….ahhhhh….great news, Kaz….:love:…

:wavey: Thankyou,thoughts with those poor families,the world is a scarey place right now.

[Ammi]

:wavey: Thankyou,thoughts with those poor families,the world is a scarey place right now.

…it’s so beyond our understanding what the worlds of those families and loved ones are for them right now, so heartbreaking….and also the now and far reaching impact of all of those in the area/mall…even if they didn’t personally witness any of the attacks…

[Ammi]

…it’s being reported that the baby is doing well after the surgery…I hope that recovery continues…


…also…

Cauchi's family released a statement today through Queensland Police.

They said: "We are absolutely devastated by the traumatic events that occurred in Sydney yesterday.

"Our thoughts and prayers are with the families and friends of the victims and those still undergoing treatment at this time.

"Joel's actions were truly horrific, and we are still trying to comprehend what has happened.

"He has battled with mental health issues since he was a teenager."



…full article….

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/sydney-stabbings-police-name-attacker-042200084.html

[arista]

"it’s being reported that the baby is doing well after the surgery"

Ammi I posted that
9:49AM


[Some good news
The Baby that was stabbed
has had surgery
and now doing fine.

Her Mother sadly died from her knife attacks.


LBC Headlines ]

[Vanessa]

Glad the baby survived.
So sad for all the victims :bawling:
This is the result of closing all the mental institutions down.
Same as in Italy, the mentally unwell are roaming the streets.

[UserSince2005]

He was only a little man. His profile on would escort website said he was 170-174. Must be an incel or what ever you call them

[Vanessa]

He was mentally ill.
That brave Muslim guy who confronted him. He definitely stopped him from killing so many more people. :clap1:

[arista]

He was mentally ill.
That brave Muslim guy who confronted him. He definitely stopped him from killing so many more people. :clap1:


On the Escalator?
He used a Metal Stop sign

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/27311237/hero-fought-sydney-knifeman-bollard/

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/04/14/10/83614373-0-image-m-12_1713087259866.jpg

[Sydney knife killer's secret life as escort:
Joe Cauchi offered services on sex work sites
before shopping centre massacre that
left six dead and nine-month-old fighting
for life - as his family
release statement branding
his attack 'truly horrific']


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13306409/Sydney-killer-escort-Joe-Cauchi-sex-work-massacre.html


To think women went out with him.

[Ninastar]

I wonder if he was like undiagnosed schizophrenic or bi polar. I can honestly say that mentally unstable people are absolutely terrifying. You can see it in their eyes when they have a breakdown. It’s surreal

[arista]

I wonder if he was like undiagnosed schizophrenic or bi polar. I can honestly say that mentally unstable people are absolutely terrifying. You can see it in their eyes when they have a breakdown. It’s surreal

Could be
he stopped taking his meds,
this seems to be happening alot.

[Ninastar]

Could be
he stopped taking his meds,
this seems to be happening alot.

Oh yeah. That will seriously **** you up. I had to stop taking meds because my insurance ran out (yay America) and it was the worst 2/3 weeks ever. You get so low and your sense of rational thinking goes out the window. Idk how I didn’t lose my job. I was like a zombie

[Ammi]

I wonder if he was like undiagnosed schizophrenic or bi polar. I can honestly say that mentally unstable people are absolutely terrifying. You can see it in their eyes when they have a breakdown. It’s surreal

…many articles are reporting schizophrenia but it wasn’t undiagnosed…he has apparently diagnosed at 17yrs old and was known to the police authorities…I haven’t personally read anything about him not taking his medication recently but that could be so if it has been reported…

[arista]

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[Mystic Mock]

He is fine ,thankyou Mock.:wavey:

That's great news to hear, Kazanne.:)

I hope that the families of the victims are getting the support that they need during this time.

[user104658]

In his father's own words on why he targeted women: "Because he wanted a girlfriend, he had no social skills and he was very frustrated".

So yes of course he was also mentally ill, but this is 100% an incel-motivated attack and I would be very, very surprised if there aren't incel groups and boards in his Internet history.

For me that makes this 100% terrorism. Attacks on women driven by Internet ideologies and indoctrination are terrorism. Pure and simple. As surely as any religion.

[Ninastar]

Yeah, I can agree with that. FBI needs to keep tabs on these kinds of ‘people’

[Crimson Dynamo]

In his father's own words on why he targeted women: "Because he wanted a girlfriend, he had no social skills and he was very frustrated".

So yes of course he was also mentally ill, but this is 100% an incel-motivated attack and I would be very, very surprised if there aren't incel groups and boards in his Internet history.

For me that makes this 100% terrorism. Attacks on women driven by Internet ideologies and indoctrination are terrorism. Pure and simple. As surely as any religion.

They just said on LBC the father effectively said "if these women had given him a little sex then this would not have happened"

The lady on now (scouser) called it Mysogenistic Terrorism

[Niamh.]

They just said on LBC the father effectively said "if these women had given him a little sex then this would not have happened"

The lady on now (scouser) called it Mysogenistic Terrorism

She's not wrong.

[Ninastar]

It seems like the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. Disgusting attitude

[arista]

The Old Dad of this killer
has spoken on the news

I wish a Reporter asked
if he was the supervisor of his son's medication.


As the Evil Killer
did not take it,

[Crimson Dynamo]

You can become a British citizen and opt out of shaking hands with a woman. Should we really be inviting those opposed to female dignitaries to our shores?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLNtpKSWIAIRraA?format=jpg&name=small

https://x.com/darrengrimes_/status/1779886836103438743

[Mystic Mock]

In his father's own words on why he targeted women: "Because he wanted a girlfriend, he had no social skills and he was very frustrated".

So yes of course he was also mentally ill, but this is 100% an incel-motivated attack and I would be very, very surprised if there aren't incel groups and boards in his Internet history.

For me that makes this 100% terrorism. Attacks on women driven by Internet ideologies and indoctrination are terrorism. Pure and simple. As surely as any religion.

The BIB sounds like me.:joker:

With how many women were victims of this attack we have all got to be a little bit suspicious that it might've been Incel ideology playing a part, at the very least.

[bots]

With someone suffering from mental illness, there is just no point in trying to attach reasoning to it. He probably woke up that morning and thought it was a good idea

[MTVN]

It was a radical Jewish terrorist, named Benjamin Cohen. Apologies to those of you using the murder of innocents to prop up your racism.

"I never falsely suggested anything," Simeon Boikov tells me.

Under the alter ego "Aussie Cossack", he posted untrue speculation that a 20-year-old Jewish university student was the attacker who had stabbed and killed five women and one man at a Westfield shopping centre in Sydney.

He said on X: "Unconfirmed reports identify the Bondi attacker as Benjamin Cohen. Cohen? Really? And to think so many commentators tried to initially blame Muslims."

The actual attacker, shot dead by police, was later identified as Joel Cauchi, 40. The authorities say his actions were most probably related to his mental health.

Within hours of Mr Boikov's post on X, the false claims he amplified had reached hundreds of thousands of people on X and Telegram, and had even been repeated by a national news outlet.

I tracked him down because I want to understand how his posts triggered an online frenzy that reached the mainstream media - with serious consequences for Mr Cohen, who's described his distress at being accused of an attack he had nothing to do with.

Mr Boikov is speaking to me from the Russian consulate in Sydney, to where he fled more than a year ago after a warrant was issued over his arrest for alleged assault. The pro-Kremlin social media personality was granted Russian citizenship by Russian President Vladimir Putin last year - and has requested political asylum in Russia.

He wasn't the first user to mention the name Benjamin Cohen. It appeared to originate on a small account sharing almost exclusively anti-Israel content.

This is one of the ways disinformation now spreads.

Full story: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-68822846

[Cherie]

"I never falsely suggested anything," Simeon Boikov tells me.

Under the alter ego "Aussie Cossack", he posted untrue speculation that a 20-year-old Jewish university student was the attacker who had stabbed and killed five women and one man at a Westfield shopping centre in Sydney.

He said on X: "Unconfirmed reports identify the Bondi attacker as Benjamin Cohen. Cohen? Really? And to think so many commentators tried to initially blame Muslims."

The actual attacker, shot dead by police, was later identified as Joel Cauchi, 40. The authorities say his actions were most probably related to his mental health.

Within hours of Mr Boikov's post on X, the false claims he amplified had reached hundreds of thousands of people on X and Telegram, and had even been repeated by a national news outlet.

I tracked him down because I want to understand how his posts triggered an online frenzy that reached the mainstream media - with serious consequences for Mr Cohen, who's described his distress at being accused of an attack he had nothing to do with.

Mr Boikov is speaking to me from the Russian consulate in Sydney, to where he fled more than a year ago after a warrant was issued over his arrest for alleged assault. The pro-Kremlin social media personality was granted Russian citizenship by Russian President Vladimir Putin last year - and has requested political asylum in Russia.

He wasn't the first user to mention the name Benjamin Cohen. It appeared to originate on a small account sharing almost exclusively anti-Israel content.

This is one of the ways disinformation now spreads.

Full story: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-68822846


You literally couldn't make it up

[Zizu]

You can become a British citizen and opt out of shaking hands with a woman. Should we really be inviting those opposed to female dignitaries to our shores?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLNtpKSWIAIRraA?format=jpg&name=small

https://x.com/darrengrimes_/status/1779886836103438743


Utter madness


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[Zizu]

Utter madness


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We’re just back from the US and it seemed much easier to get into the UK than the damn States .


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[Ammi]

"I never falsely suggested anything," Simeon Boikov tells me.

Under the alter ego "Aussie Cossack", he posted untrue speculation that a 20-year-old Jewish university student was the attacker who had stabbed and killed five women and one man at a Westfield shopping centre in Sydney.

He said on X: "Unconfirmed reports identify the Bondi attacker as Benjamin Cohen. Cohen? Really? And to think so many commentators tried to initially blame Muslims."

The actual attacker, shot dead by police, was later identified as Joel Cauchi, 40. The authorities say his actions were most probably related to his mental health.

Within hours of Mr Boikov's post on X, the false claims he amplified had reached hundreds of thousands of people on X and Telegram, and had even been repeated by a national news outlet.

I tracked him down because I want to understand how his posts triggered an online frenzy that reached the mainstream media - with serious consequences for Mr Cohen, who's described his distress at being accused of an attack he had nothing to do with.

Mr Boikov is speaking to me from the Russian consulate in Sydney, to where he fled more than a year ago after a warrant was issued over his arrest for alleged assault. The pro-Kremlin social media personality was granted Russian citizenship by Russian President Vladimir Putin last year - and has requested political asylum in Russia.

He wasn't the first user to mention the name Benjamin Cohen. It appeared to originate on a small account sharing almost exclusively anti-Israel content.

This is one of the ways disinformation now spreads.

Full story: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-68822846

…..and as the article states, that disinformation is spread in different tangents and directions…which is sadly often the way…I often say that ‘voices get lost…’…and what actually gets lost in it all is the truth…lost in the agenda of political stuff etc…

In parallel, false claims were circulating that the attacker was Muslim. These were shared by prominent journalists and political accounts on X with hundreds of thousands of followers from the UK to the US.
British journalist and presenter Julia Hartley-Brewer suggested the stabbings were "another terror attack by another Islamist terrorist", while TV presenter Rachel Riley said it was part of a "Global Intifada". They both later retracted their posts.
Hartley-Brewer posted that she had been "incorrect" and that the Sydney massacre "was not an Islamist terror attack", while Riley said she was "sorry" if her message had been "misunderstood".
Dozens of accounts on TikTok also spread false claims that the attacker was Muslim. I messaged several of them - but they haven't responded.

…and interestingly, it continues in another direction and another path…


New South Wales Police have suggested the real attacker, Cauchi, deliberately targeted women - who make up five out of six of the victims.
Several online forums dedicated to incels - a subculture who define themselves as unable to get a sexual partner, despite desiring one - have praised Cauchi as one of their own for the attack.
But so far there's no concrete evidence of Cauchi being involved directly with these online movements. When asked why Cauchi could have targeted women, his father said that his son had "wanted a girlfriend" and that had had "no social skills and was frustrated out of his brain".
Increasingly, attacks in the real world are being followed by this kind of social media frenzy - where misinformation is hugely amplified.
For the families and friends of those who have been killed, and the innocent bystanders falsely accused, this toxic rumour-mill is causing serious harm.


….it may indeed be ‘incel idealogy’…but nothing atm has been confirmed and associated as that being so until investigations reveal such…I read that the killer’s parents were ‘estranged’ so even though, his father has intimated certain things…or things he’s said could lead to certain thoughts…atm, it’s essentially all hearsay and surmising in what seems to be a need for labels to be applied…

…anyway, we’ll wait to see what is uncovered and revealed over the coming time…this is why personally I’m so focused on checking out everything that’s posted online atm…

[Crimson Dynamo]

a pro-Kremlin social media personality

now that is a thing!

:laugh:

[Nicky91]

my dad's uncle had lived in the area of that shopping centre

[Cherie]

…..and as the article states, that disinformation is spread in different tangents and directions…which is sadly often the way…I often say that ‘voices get lost…’…and what actually gets lost in it all is the truth…lost in the agenda of political stuff etc…

In parallel, false claims were circulating that the attacker was Muslim. These were shared by prominent journalists and political accounts on X with hundreds of thousands of followers from the UK to the US.
British journalist and presenter Julia Hartley-Brewer suggested the stabbings were "another terror attack by another Islamist terrorist", while TV presenter Rachel Riley said it was part of a "Global Intifada". They both later retracted their posts.
Hartley-Brewer posted that she had been "incorrect" and that the Sydney massacre "was not an Islamist terror attack", while Riley said she was "sorry" if her message had been "misunderstood".
Dozens of accounts on TikTok also spread false claims that the attacker was Muslim. I messaged several of them - but they haven't responded.

…and interestingly, it continues in another direction and another path…


New South Wales Police have suggested the real attacker, Cauchi, deliberately targeted women - who make up five out of six of the victims.
Several online forums dedicated to incels - a subculture who define themselves as unable to get a sexual partner, despite desiring one - have praised Cauchi as one of their own for the attack.
But so far there's no concrete evidence of Cauchi being involved directly with these online movements. When asked why Cauchi could have targeted women, his father said that his son had "wanted a girlfriend" and that had had "no social skills and was frustrated out of his brain".
Increasingly, attacks in the real world are being followed by this kind of social media frenzy - where misinformation is hugely amplified.
For the families and friends of those who have been killed, and the innocent bystanders falsely accused, this toxic rumour-mill is causing serious harm.


….it may indeed be ‘incel idealogy’…but nothing atm has been confirmed and associated as that being so until investigations reveal such…I read that the killer’s parents were ‘estranged’ so even though, his father has intimated certain things…or things he’s said could lead to certain thoughts…atm, it’s essentially all hearsay and surmising in what seems to be a need for labels to be applied…

…anyway, we’ll wait to see what is uncovered and revealed over the coming time…this is why personally I’m so focused on checking out everything that’s posted online atm…

The difference is some poor kid was actually named and his name falsely circulated....there were only 'suggestions' it was an Islamic terror attack, no one was named, and it is only human to immediately think Islamic given the nature of the attack similar to how immediately it would have been concluded it was an IRA attack if a bomb when off in the 70s in England and no one batted an eyelid

[Ammi]

…but that doesn’t change that these are all threads and paths of disinformation and how easily that travels into mindsets, which once fixed can often then close down to what is the truth…it’s all very equally contributory to very harmful false information…and sadly what is all too often in present times…

[Ammi]

…it seems like a good and fair article because it does show ‘in parallel’ as it says, the different threads of the false claims of this story…and how they’re essentially still continuing with no investigations being completed yet…

[Cherie]

…but that doesn’t change that these are all threads and paths of disinformation and how easily that travels into mindsets, which once fixed can often then close down to what is the truth…it’s all very equally contributory to very harmful false information…and sadly what is all too often in present times…

The media are presented with a breaking story and they have to address the elephant in the room that it might be an Islamic attack, it was only last week that ISIS said they were going to attack the Champions League games so they are really the most vocal group and the top of everyones mindset, not sure when there was an attack of a similar nature by a Jew so to randomly suggest it was a Jewish attack and actually name someone is far more sinister

[Mystic Mock]

With someone suffering from mental illness, there is just no point in trying to attach reasoning to it. He probably woke up that morning and thought it was a good idea

That's even more terrifying in some ways.

[user104658]

Giving the benefit of the doubt, "not applying labels" and dismissing things as random, motiveless acts from people with mental health problems is exactly what allows misogynistic rhetoric to continue thriving online and continue propagating amongst mentally unstable men. An almost impassioned determination not to call it what it is: extremist ideology and terrorism.

No one is saying this guy was mentally healthy nor that he was acting with a clear mind and fully aware of his motivations. But mentally unwell people do NOT regularly just go on violent rampages "totally at random for no reason" - that in itself is an idea that leads to the stigmatisation of mental health conditions. The idea that "schizophrenic people are just randomly violent" - it simply isn't true.

Mentally ill people are likely to be far more susceptible to suggestion and to latching onto extreme ideas, for example, the violent misogyny that comes along with the ideology of the "entitled incel", an ideology that is EVERYWHERE these days in really insidious ways, thanks to the likes of Andrew Tate/Jordan Petersson bringing it mainstream. It's not always going to be neatly labelled and something people have to seek out on 4chan. It's an increasingly mainstream mindset. And in my opinion this chap's irrational hatred of women is clear as day.

He only harmed ONE male and it was because that man was trying to stop him. He walked past men in pursuit of women. How much clearer does this need to be? Again not saying he was mentally stable (obviously he was not) or thinking with a clear head, but that's not entirely relevant.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The media are presented with a breaking story and they have to address the elephant in the room that it might be an Islamic attack, it was only last week that ISIS said they were going to attack the Champions League games so they are really the most vocal group and the top of everyones mindset, not sure when there was an attack of a similar nature by a Jew so to randomly suggest it was a Jewish attack and actually name someone is far more sinister

I mean just last week:

"Two stabbed in Bordeaux for drinking wine during Eid

Attacker shot dead by police after frenzied attack in tourist area"

[Ammi]

The media are presented with a breaking story and they have to address the elephant in the room that it might be an Islamic attack, it was only last week that ISIS said they were going to attack the Champions League games so they are really the most vocal group and the top of everyones mindset, not sure when there was an attack of a similar nature by a Jew so to randomly suggest it was a Jewish attack and actually name someone is far more sinister

…I really don’t feel for me that one is a more sinister or a less sinister when all disinformation had a sinister and harmful value…no more or less, just differences in specifics…so far as this particular attack, I didn’t personally ever attach ‘ISIS or Islamic’ unless the authorities had informed of that connection because the attacker was wearing sportswear/a rugby jersey and we were informed he was a Queenslander or something and he seemed white Caucasian …so the media that we were receiving reports for weren’t in any way leading to ‘Islamic’ in terms of connection at all…actually it was specifically stated that it wasn’t felt to be terrorism ideology linked…

[Cherie]

…I really don’t feel for me that one is a more sinister or a less sinister when all disinformation had a sinister and harmful value…no more or less, just differences in specifics…so far as this particular attack, I didn’t personally ever attach ‘ISIS or Islamic’ unless the authorities had informed of that connection because the attacker was wearing sportswear/a rugby jersey and we were informed he was a Queenslander or something and he seemed white Caucasian …so the media that we were receiving reports for weren’t in any way leading to ‘Islamic’ in terms of connection at all…actually it was specifically stated that it wasn’t felt to be terrorism ideology linked…

the grainy footage originally released I couldn't personally make out if he was white or not, I mean he could have easily been Far Right so not sure where the Jewish connection came in, its not like he wasn't wearing a skull cap....why I think it is more sinister is this person was quite happy to name an innocent jewish person who could have easily been attacked before his name was cleared, I am not saying the same couldn't have happened to a muslim person but a direct naming of an innocent is really beyond the pale

[Niamh.]

Giving the benefit of the doubt, "not applying labels" and dismissing things as random, motiveless acts from people with mental health problems is exactly what allows misogynistic rhetoric to continue thriving online and continue propagating amongst mentally unstable men. An almost impassioned determination not to call it what it is: extremist ideology and terrorism.

No one is saying this guy was mentally healthy nor that he was acting with a clear mind and fully aware of his motivations. But mentally unwell people do NOT regularly just go on violent rampages "totally at random for no reason" - that in itself is an idea that leads to the stigmatisation of mental health conditions. The idea that "schizophrenic people are just randomly violent" - it simply isn't true.

Mentally ill people are likely to be far more susceptible to suggestion and to latching onto extreme ideas, for example, the violent misogyny that comes along with the ideology of the "entitled incel", an ideology that is EVERYWHERE these days in really insidious ways, thanks to the likes of Andrew Tate/Jordan Petersson bringing it mainstream. It's not always going to be neatly labelled and something people have to seek out on 4chan. It's an increasingly mainstream mindset. And in my opinion this chap's irrational hatred of women is clear as day.

He only harmed ONE male and it was because that man was trying to stop him. He walked past men in pursuit of women. How much clearer does this need to be? Again not saying he was mentally stable (obviously he was not) or thinking with a clear head, but that's not entirely relevant.

Exactly. Women seem to be one group that no one gives a single **** about. All you need to do is take a look on youtube or reddit or twitter to see how mush hatred for women there is out there atm but we're not allowed to talk about that

[Ammi]

the grainy footage originally released I couldn't personally make out if he was white or not, I mean he could have easily been Far Right so not sure where the Jewish connection came in, its not like he wasn't wearing a skull cap....why I think it is more sinister is this person was quite happy to name an innocent jewish person who could have easily been attacked before his name was cleared, I am not saying the same couldn't have happened to a muslim person but a direct naming of an innocent is really beyond the pale

….we were also specifically told that this person was known to the police authorities, which was also a factor in them stating that they didn’t believe it to be linked to any political ideology…so all in all, ‘Islamic’ is not a link or connection that was led to be the way, it was actually more actively discouraged from being the way in that it specifically wasn’t believed to be so….and yet that association was the first and very active ‘association’ of false and harmful information that I read…no matter what was being said to indicate its unlikelihood…as I said, for me personally …it’s all very dangerous and sinister…one size never fits all or rarely does so there are differences in specifics…but all of equal harm and danger to those and any who are the victims of that false information…..

[Mystic Mock]

Giving the benefit of the doubt, "not applying labels" and dismissing things as random, motiveless acts from people with mental health problems is exactly what allows misogynistic rhetoric to continue thriving online and continue propagating amongst mentally unstable men. An almost impassioned determination not to call it what it is: extremist ideology and terrorism.

No one is saying this guy was mentally healthy nor that he was acting with a clear mind and fully aware of his motivations. But mentally unwell people do NOT regularly just go on violent rampages "totally at random for no reason" - that in itself is an idea that leads to the stigmatisation of mental health conditions. The idea that "schizophrenic people are just randomly violent" - it simply isn't true.

Mentally ill people are likely to be far more susceptible to suggestion and to latching onto extreme ideas, for example, the violent misogyny that comes along with the ideology of the "entitled incel", an ideology that is EVERYWHERE these days in really insidious ways, thanks to the likes of Andrew Tate/Jordan Petersson bringing it mainstream. It's not always going to be neatly labelled and something people have to seek out on 4chan. It's an increasingly mainstream mindset. And in my opinion this chap's irrational hatred of women is clear as day.

He only harmed ONE male and it was because that man was trying to stop him. He walked past men in pursuit of women. How much clearer does this need to be? Again not saying he was mentally stable (obviously he was not) or thinking with a clear head, but that's not entirely relevant.

Tbf I can definitely see your point.

I mean five of the six victims were women (like you've already said) so it definitely wouldn't be far reaching to think that the motivation behind the massacre was of an Incel mindset.

And on a side note, you have to be mentally ill if you're seriously taking Andrew Tate's "advice" on board, and I don't mean that to sound funny either.

[Mystic Mock]

Exactly. Women seem to be one group that no one gives a single **** about. All you need to do is take a look on youtube or reddit or twitter to see how mush hatred for women there is out there atm but we're not allowed to talk about that

Tbf, it is cool to hate on women.:hehe:

But I do see what you mean, because I do look at the extreme right on YouTube sometimes, and they really don't like women, I hear some of the things that they say and it can flaw me tbh.

Although bizarrely on Twitter, I find that it's the far left that have a real grudge with women, it's truly weird.

[Liam-]

Yet another terrorist not being labelled a terrorist because of his skin colour

[Ammi]

Tbf, it is cool to hate on women.:hehe:

But I do see what you mean, because I do look at the extreme right on YouTube sometimes, and they really don't like women, I hear some of the things that they say and it can flaw me tbh.

Although bizarrely on Twitter, I find that it's the far left that have a real grudge with women, it's truly weird.

…women haters come in all shapes and sizes and all politics and all religions and all social media platforms etc…?…wherever we may go, we’ll find them…?…

[Crimson Dynamo]

and yet we seem happy to celebrate a certain culture in the UK that don't think women should walk with men and should cover up their entire bodies in a standard dark uniform when out?

and our own Government gives people the option to avoid shaking a women's hand when they become a UK citizen??

[Niamh.]

Tbf, it is cool to hate on women.:hehe:

But I do see what you mean, because I do look at the extreme right on YouTube sometimes, and they really don't like women, I hear some of the things that they say and it can flaw me tbh.

Although bizarrely on Twitter, I find that it's the far left that have a real grudge with women, it's truly weird.

yes both "sides" it seems

[user104658]

And on a side note, you have to be mentally ill if you're seriously taking Andrew Tate's "advice" on board, and I don't mean that to sound funny either.

I think that's the point though and where people get distracted - it's not that he wasn't mentally unstable, mentally stable people don't go on killing sprees for any reason, (yes LT - including religious dogma).

But when people are mentally unstable and "not in their right mind" that is the EXACT time that religious (Jihadi) or cultural (murderous incel) ideologies can creep in and take hold. When people's psychology is unstable it'll try to latch onto something stable. Ideologies being pushed by large numbers of people seem stable, and that's how they "get" people. It doesn't really matter what the ideology is. Anyone heavily involved in an ideology is going to fall into one of two categories - either they were at one point a vulnerable individual susceptible to being indoctrinated and manipulated, OR they are a "pusher" of the ideology using it to their own ends and for their own benefit (vast majority of terrorist leaders have a political goal, they are NOT doing it in the name of religion... and with folks like Andrew Tate the motivation is even more banal. Money.)

[user104658]

yes both "sides" it seems

There is a very real elephant in the room that the proportion of gay men who are misogynistic is no smaller at all than the proportion of straight men, and IMO it's becoming increasingly obvious. There's an underlying misogyny that was "hidden under friendship" for a long time... gay men appeared to be very supportive of women... but it turns out it's just different angles of the same thing. Straight men have objectified women for sex, gay men have objectified them for their "allyship".

If a women loses her "ally" status then the real attitudes of gay men towards women become abundantly clear and it's no different to your average gammon. Different flavours of the same crisps.

This is a tricky subject because of the inevitable claims of homophobia but it's not a slur on gay men at all... just saying that when it comes down to it, whether men are attracted to men or women, it doesn't change the effects of male socialisation. If anything it's the opposite of homophobia. It's saying just because a man is gay, don't forget he is still a man and the default male unconscious bias against women is still very much present.

[Ninastar]

Yes let’s make this a racial thing when literally all of the victims were all cisgender women.

Oh wait nvm, they don’t matter

[Ninastar]

There is a very real elephant in the room that the proportion of gay men who are misogynistic is no smaller at all than the proportion of straight men, and IMO it's becoming increasingly obvious. There's an underlying misogyny that was "hidden under friendship" for a long time... gay men appeared to be very supportive of women... but it turns out it's just different angles of the same thing. Straight men have objectified women for sex, gay men have objectified them for their "allyship".

If a women loses her "ally" status then the real attitudes of gay men towards women become abundantly clear and it's no different to your average gammon. Different flavours of the same crisps.

This is a tricky subject because of the inevitable claims of homophobia but it's not a slur on gay men at all... just saying that when it comes down to it, whether men are attracted to men or women, it doesn't change the effects of male socialisation. If anything it's the opposite of homophobia. It's saying just because a man is gay, don't forget he is still a man and the default male unconscious bias against women is still very much present.

Re the bold - absolutely.

I always wondered about that and it makes me wonder if the reason is cause they aren’t into women, so they kind of just don’t really care about them as much as they do other men?

[user104658]

Re the bold - absolutely.

I always wondered about that and it makes me wonder if the reason is cause they aren’t into women, so they kind of just don’t really care about them as much as they do other men?

I think really the depressing fact is just that it's deeply ingrained from very early on (before sexuality even becomes relevant) - the main difference if I had to point one out, is that when straight men veer into being misogynistic it comes from a place of anger (that at its worse becomes violence) because they, at the end of the day, do want women to engage with them "on some level" so they get frustrated.

For gay men they have the added benefit of not actually giving a hoot on a personal level if women engage with them whatsoever so the misogyny goes more in a direction of belittling/minimising/mocking/disregarding. The part I find really insidious is that a woman can easily go from being deified/celebrated to completely condemned for daring to have an opinion that goes against "expectations of an ally". It's just another form of objectification.

They do not do the same thing with high profile men to anything like the same degree. The ones who were already disliked get plenty of fire, sure, but the ones who were liked get pass after pass before getting close to being demonised.

[Cherie]

I think it patently clear the majority only support women when they are being allies and supportive of gay men , when women started to say hang on what about us and what about the impact on our rights that is when women were dropped like hot potatoes! and called TERF, bigot etc even though the same women had previously been considered allies....

[Cherie]

oh or what SB said

[user104658]

I think it patently clear the majority only support women when they are being allies and supportive of gay men , when women started to say hang on what about us and what about the impact on our rights that is when women were dropped like hot potatoes! and called TERF, bigot etc even though the same women had previously been considered allies....

The last few years have been truly bleak for this. Literally five decades of what appeared to be mutual supportiveness ripped to shreds in a couple of years - and not just "a good thing eroded"... but unveiled as a mirage in the first place. Mask whipped off and oh look, it was just another patriarchy all along!

https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExcDIwdm9yYXBhM2h4Mm5ocjliMXBkZGx hMHBkeDh6MTc4ejF2enFyMyZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfY nlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/CO6MKu7276741GVyg9/giphy.gif

The world is on such a massive downswing :joker:.

[Crimson Dynamo]

If you follow the abuse that JK gets its quite appalling

its horrific

[Liam-]

Lmao gays hate women now? Yet if someone were to say women hate men, they’d be called sexist immediately, this forum continuously exposes the very obvious casual bigotry against gay people, men in particular

[user104658]

Lmao gays hate women now? Yet if someone were to say women hate men, they’d be called sexist immediately, this forum continuously exposes the very obvious casual bigotry against gay people, men in particular

Gay men are men and have proportionately the same amount of unconscious bias and casual misogyny against women as straight men is all that was said. I don't think it's particularly controversial or bigoted to point out that the primary characteristic of both "a gay man" and "a straight man" is "a man" and not sexuality - though as a penis-haver myself, I understand the desire to distance oneself from being viewed as male as a primary trait. Believe me.

There's been a historic tendency in the gay community (and perhaps, by both straight men [often framed as a negative] and women as well) to view gay men as being more socially aligned with straight women than they are with straight men.

All I'm saying is that this is (now far more evidently) sadly not the case - gay men have FAR more in common with straight men than they do with any woman. This should in hindsight be pretty obvious but the illusion was maintained for a LONG time.

[arista]

Down Under Front Page

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLPIceCWcAA-HkL?format=jpg&name=small

[Crimson Dynamo]

If you follow the abuse that JK gets its quite appalling

its horrific

JK Posts on X today:

Once again,
@HumzaYousaf
makes his absolute contempt for women and their rights clear. Women were
excluded from his nonsensical hate crime law, now he introduces a 'misogyny
law' designed to also protect men.

Trans-identified men have sent violent threats to women but the likes of Beth
Douglas (attached) now receive double protection from Yousaf: for his so-
called gender identity, and for also being, in the eyes of the Scottish
government, a woman.


https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1780173877970178048/IlTRYN_Z?format=jpg&name=small

https://english.elpais.com/international/2024-04-03/j-k-rowling-again-questions-trans-women-in-challenge-to-scottish-government.html#

[Mystic Mock]

…women haters come in all shapes and sizes and all politics and all religions and all social media platforms etc…?…wherever we may go, we’ll find them…?…

It's basically Snow White and Prince Charming's "I'll always find you" dialogue from Once Upon A Time, but instead of it being about romance, it's instead about hatred for women.:joker:

[Mystic Mock]

Yet another terrorist not being labelled a terrorist because of his skin colour

It is odd why someone that's murdered six people and attempted to murder even more people, isn't being labeled as a Terrorist.

In my view, it's textbook Terrorism.

[Mystic Mock]

I think that's the point though and where people get distracted - it's not that he wasn't mentally unstable, mentally stable people don't go on killing sprees for any reason, (yes LT - including religious dogma).

But when people are mentally unstable and "not in their right mind" that is the EXACT time that religious (Jihadi) or cultural (murderous incel) ideologies can creep in and take hold. When people's psychology is unstable it'll try to latch onto something stable. Ideologies being pushed by large numbers of people seem stable, and that's how they "get" people. It doesn't really matter what the ideology is. Anyone heavily involved in an ideology is going to fall into one of two categories - either they were at one point a vulnerable individual susceptible to being indoctrinated and manipulated, OR they are a "pusher" of the ideology using it to their own ends and for their own benefit (vast majority of terrorist leaders have a political goal, they are NOT doing it in the name of religion... and with folks like Andrew Tate the motivation is even more banal. Money.)

Tbh, I can't really disagree with you.

[Ammi]

Sydney mall attack: 'Bollard man' who confronted knifeman offered citizenship by Australian prime minister…


A Frenchman who confonted the Sydney shopping centre attacker - earning the nickname "Bollard man" - has been offered Australian citizenship.

Damien Guerot used a bollard to try to stop the killer from hurting more people during Saturday's attack at the Westfield Shopping Centre in Bondi Junction.

Joel Cauchi, 40, fatally stabbed six people and injured 12 others, including a nine-month-old baby, before he was shot dead by a police officer.

Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese hailed Mr Guerot's "extraordinary bravery" and said he was welcome to stay in the country "for as long as you like".

After the attack, Mr Guerot had told local news networks he was on a work visa set to expire within a couple of months.

"I say this to Damien Guerot, who is dealing with his visa applications, that you are welcome here," Mr Albanese told a press conference on Tuesday.

He added: "This is someone who we would welcome becoming an Australian citizen, although that would of course be a loss for France."


…full article…

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/sydney-mall-attack-bollard-man-101200861.html

[arista]

[Sydney mall attack: 'Bollard man' who confronted
knifeman offered citizenship by Australian prime minister…

A Frenchman who confronted the Sydney shopping
centre attacker - earning the nickname
"Bollard man" - has been offered
Australian citizenship.]


Good move by Anthony Albanese
the Australian Prime Minister.

[Oliver_W]

It is odd why someone that's murdered six people and attempted to murder even more people, isn't being labeled as a Terrorist.

In my view, it's textbook Terrorism.

Killing people, even in numbers, isn't automatically terrorism.

Depends on whether or not he was driven by an ideology.

[Ninastar]

Killing people, even in numbers, isn't automatically terrorism.

Depends on whether or not he was driven by an ideology.

Anything we call terrorism has likely been done for religious reasons.

But this is actually something pretty new. I’m down with calling these people terrorists when they are fuelled by ideology online. It won’t seem the same to a lot of people because they will only see acts of destruction in the name of a so called religion as terrorism

And I can understand that. I think what most people need to do these days is chill tf out and not care so much about other peoples opinions

[Livia]

He killed five women and a security guard who presumably intervened, and he stabbed a baby. He purposefully targeted women. Sounds like a terror attack to me.

[Niamh.]

Anything we call terrorism has likely been done for religious reasons.

But this is actually something pretty new. I’m down with calling these people terrorists when they are fuelled by ideology online. It won’t seem the same to a lot of people because they will only see acts of destruction in the name of a so called religion as terrorism

And I can understand that. I think what most people need to do these days is chill tf out and not care so much about other peoples opinions

Yep agree, this incel movement is definitely an ideology as well

[user104658]

Killing people, even in numbers, isn't automatically terrorism.

Depends on whether or not he was driven by an ideology.

There are countless examples of these attacks with abundant evidence that they are ideology-based (computer equipment seized showing that the people involved have been viewing or were members of online groups with extreme views) -- unfortunately they are still not recognised as a very real, clear and dangerous ideology with significant aspects of indoctrination and the attacks are filed under "individual personal motives non-political/mental illness".

When there's evidence that the person involved has been part of online groups with extreme ideas the attacks should absolutely be classed as terrorism. The challenge seems to be getting people in power to accept that it's actually happening. That redpill/blackpill ideology is at this point a pseudoreligion with HUGE membership, filled with violent intent, and multiple examples of real-world violence.

[user104658]

Here's a very telling statistic:

When there's a school shooting in the US, the person involved is far, far more likely to be a white teenage male with heavy use of "certain" reddit/4chan groups, than they are to be affiliated with any religion. It's the vast majority at this point.

[Ninastar]

School shooters just need to be shot on site. Don’t care how awful that sounds, but they don’t deserve life. But yeah, these websites and cultures online are absolutely disgusting and honestly just encourages them. I’d be cool with them being labelled terrorists too

[arista]

He killed five women and a security guard who presumably intervened, and he stabbed a baby. He purposefully targeted women. Sounds like a terror attack to me.


Very True Livia.

[Beso]

Too many violent computer games for the young minds in America.. The thrill of the kill in the game is making far too many want to experience that thrill in real life.

And this mall knifman sounds like a closet case to me, probably blames women for his hidden gayness.

[user104658]

Too many violent computer games for the young minds in America.. The thrill of the kill in the game is making far too many want to experience that thrill in real life.

And this mall knifman sounds like a closet case to me, probably blames women for his hidden gayness.

Anything to distance it from being a bog standard angry white straight man eh Parmy.

[Beso]

Anything to distance it from being a bog standard angry white straight man eh Parmy.

Not at all, Its my opinion that you are all wrong about his sexuality. I am allowed that...surely!

[Ninastar]

Gun violence is very active in all races here though. The shootings/fights that happen where I live are almost always black on black crime/gang related.

It’s not seen as a school shooting though as it’s not multiple people killed.

Different cultures have different beliefs on guns here and it’s literally all kinds of walks of life. I have super close liberal friends who are pro gun and I have conservative friends that will absolutely not allow guns into their lives at all

The media is always going to act like we are the most awful stupid country of all time but really, most people get along great. Most of this racial war stuff is just created to further divide people. It’s also the same with lgbt stuff too