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[LaLaLand]

Anyone else seen this?

It's probably one of the best things I've seen in a while. A true story, too. The leading man was actually the man who was stalked. It's his own story. Crazy.

The story follows the writer and performer Richard Gadd's warped relationship with his female stalker and the impact it has on him as he is ultimately forced to face a deep, dark buried trauma.

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The manner that everything is dealt with (and there's a lot of VERY sensitive and quite dark themes) is perfect.

[Mystic Mock]

What does the dark themes entail?

[Ammi]

…ahhhhh, I was looking at this to watch a few days ago and then chose something lighter at the time…it did appeal to me, though….because it is a true story…although, not one that I was familiar with…I’ll watch it soon on your recommendation, LaLa…

[Kate!]

This sounds good

[Mystic Mock]

I've just seen the trailer.

Wtf! That stalker was real?:umm2:

Either way the Actress has got the creepy performance down by the looks of things.

[LaLaLand]

[I've just seen the trailer.

Wtf! That stalker was real?:umm2:

Either way the Actress has got the creepy performance down by the looks of things.

Yep. The messages that we see on screen throughout the show are real, legitimate messages sent to him by the stalker too.

Jessica Gunning, the actress who plays Martha, is fantastic.

[Mystic Mock]

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Yep. The messages that we see on screen throughout the show are real, legitimate messages sent to him by the stalker too.

Jessica Gunning, the actress who plays Martha, is fantastic.

Well I hope to never attract that kind of person.:laugh:

[LaLaLand]

What does the dark themes entail?

It’s extremely dark in parts. Deals with a lot. Episode 4 especially.

Stalking, harassment, threats, trauma, mental illness, abuse in many forms.

I’d recommend going into it blind like I did to get the full effect I think.

[Niamh.]

My daughter was talking about it last night, she didn't like it at all, too weird and Saltburny she said

[Mystic Mock]

It’s extremely dark in parts. Deals with a lot. Episode 4 especially.

Stalking, harassment, threats, trauma, mental illness, abuse in many forms.

I’d recommend going into it blind like I did to get the full effect I think.

Okay.

It might be worth a look.

Especially considering that it has a very different feel to Fallout.:joker:

[GoldHeart]

My daughter was talking about it last night, she didn't like it at all, too weird and Saltburny she said

Yeah I just read the parental guide on IMDB, it sounds too extreme & grim . No doubt they'll probably make them watch it on Gogglebox aswell like they did with saltburn .

[LaLaLand]

It’s extreme yes but it’s an accurate portrayal of stalking and everything that comes with it as it’s a true story from the direct experience of the creator and star of the show.

Yet somehow it still feels very delicate and sympathetic at times.

It’s really fantastic.

[LaLaLand]

Warning: Episode 4 of this show is extremely graphic and harrowing. Just, horrific.

[Zizu]

Warning: Episode 4 of this show is extremely graphic and harrowing. Just, horrific.


I hate misleading program titles !!

It took me years to finally give The Sopranos a chance


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[Mystic Mock]

Warning: Episode 4 of this show is extremely graphic and harrowing. Just, horrific.

I would be excited by this if it was completely fictional.:joker:

[Ammi]

…I just binge watched this…it’s really a very harrowing story and I think that I’ll be gathering my thoughts together for quite a while …it’s something that will stay awhile, I think…

…obviously Martha/the stalking plot was a terrifying thing to have happened to him…but I think that also highlighted so much his own self loathing and his own mental struggles with many aspects of his life and how ‘broken’ he was, really…so very sad when he said that Martha made him feel like he was the person he had wanted to be…or words similar…

[LaLaLand]

…I just binge watched this…it’s really a very harrowing story and I think that I’ll be gathering my thoughts together for quite a while …it’s something that will stay awhile, I think…

…obviously Martha/the stalking plot was a terrifying thing to have happened to him…but I think that also highlighted so much his own self loathing and his own mental struggles with many aspects of his life and how ‘broken’ he was, really…so very sad when he said that Martha made him feel like he was the person he had wanted to be…or words similar…

It’s a phenomenal show. I’ve never seen anything quite like it. Deals with a lot of taboos too. Incredible.

[Ammi]

It’s a phenomenal show. I’ve never seen anything quite like it. Deals with a lot of taboos too. Incredible.

…it does deal with a lot but it also kind of just ‘leaves you there’ as well with so much that it doesn’t deal with….I mean……with Martha, this was obviously nowhere near the first time and I know that she had her sentence and a restraining order for many years etc…?…but surely that would just indicate that her obsession would just become someone else when she was released from prison, which wouldn’t have been very long served of the sentence at all…for someone who was displaying such repeat behaviour, where was the help that she was getting because she had such outbursts of violence as well…?….with him, one of the things that was noticeable was that he never did fear her though and that’s something that can’t be applied to the reverse of male stalkers with females…and that’s something that’s been very high profile recently with a few cases…he was also ‘addicted to’ and obsessed with her, wasn’t he…?….and it all stemmed from his own self loathing and poor mental health….that whole thing with his dad and his dad’s reveal was so heartbreaking because it seemed to create that self loathing….his dad hadn’t even been able to hug him up until that point because of his own traumas ….and as he said, Martha made him feel as though he was the person that he wanted to be…lots of layers to it all and lots of thoughts that stay…

[Niamh.]

I have 2 more episodes to go, it's a very disturbing story, very honest though

[Ammi]

…I think for me……it’s realising that it’s as much about mental illness and self loathing as it is about stalking….I wonder how that would have all displayed and evolved, had he never encountered Martha…because that was all still there, regardless…

[Cherie]

I am two eps in and honestly so far I think he could have put a stop to it once he found out she was a convicted stalker, he seems very weak

[Niamh.]

Probably don't read this spoiler Cherie until you're a few more episodes in but

I think his is a very honest depiction to the complicated and seemingly illogical reactions to being a victim of sexual abuse. It's very uncomfortable to watch but it's a story that's hard to deal with that bare and grittily truthful because in a way it can make the victim look bad or less of a victim in some peoples eyes

[Ammi]

…I won’t say any more specifics, even in spoilers…but all I’ll say is that I was left with lots of thoughts in lots of different directions…it really does provoke thinking…and maybe taking a while to think about as well because you can keep thinking of something else…/…another aspect…

[Niamh.]

Yeah, I'm going to watch the last 2 episodes later before I have any final proper thoughts. I don't know if this is known either but my son told me the guy in the lead role is actually the real guy this happened to

[Ammi]

…yeah, he plays himself…just out of interest, is Gav watching it also…?…

[Niamh.]

…yeah, he plays himself…just out of interest, is Gav watching it also…?…

Yeah he is, he's hooked too

[Ammi]

…I think that’s good as well to have that male and female view…?…it provided a lot of conversation for us…

[Niamh.]

Luke watched it with us too, he's already watched the whole thing through though

[Niamh.]

Finished it last night, honestly I'm not sure what I think

It really is just so honest and complicated, the human psyche is weird.

Just on a point you mentioned earlier too Ammi about the sex of the stalker/victim. I agree there's a different level of fear when the sexes are reversed. Not that Martha wasn't dangerous of course but as a man Donnie would have been able to defend himself easier than a woman would against a man

Anyway I hope Richard/Donnie got himself into therapy to help him try to get through all this stuff, it was a lot

[Zizu]

Finished it last night, honestly I'm not sure what I think

It really is just so honest and complicated, the human psyche is weird.

Just on a point you mentioned earlier too Ammi about the sex of the stalker/victim. I agree there's a different level of fear when the sexes are reversed. Not that Martha wasn't dangerous of course but as a man Donnie would have been able to defend himself easier than a woman would against a man

Anyway I hope Richard/Donnie got himself into therapy to help him try to get through all this stuff, it was a lot


Mmmmm

That’s a tad worrying

I only watch guaranteed classics nowadays


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[Niamh.]

Mmmmm

That’s a tad worrying

I only watch guaranteed classics nowadays


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It is a very interesting show, albeit an uncomfortable watch at times

[Mystic Mock]

Probably don't read this spoiler Cherie until you're a few more episodes in but

I think his is a very honest depiction to the complicated and seemingly illogical reactions to being a victim of sexual abuse. It's very uncomfortable to watch but it's a story that's hard to deal with that bare and grittily truthful because in a way it can make the victim look bad or less of a victim in some peoples eyes

I know that Jessica Meuse was saying something similar about her Domestic Abuse situation on her YouTube channel, she said something along the lines of being in love with her boyfriend and not really realizing how unhealthy the relationship was getting until further down the line, and they were in a really toxic relationship, apparently he was suffering with Narcissistic personality disorder.

It's a year old video that got recommended to me due to listening to her songs, I promise that I didn't deliberately stalk for this information.:laugh:

I genuinely did feel bad for her though.

And obviously I feel bad that this guy had to deal with what looks to be one hell of a life story.

[Ammi]

Finished it last night, honestly I'm not sure what I think

It really is just so honest and complicated, the human psyche is weird.

Just on a point you mentioned earlier too Ammi about the sex of the stalker/victim. I agree there's a different level of fear when the sexes are reversed. Not that Martha wasn't dangerous of course but as a man Donnie would have been able to defend himself easier than a woman would against a man

Anyway I hope Richard/Donnie got himself into therapy to help him try to get through all this stuff, it was a lot

…yeah, it was a completely different perspective, wasn’t it…and it felt that one huge difference was the ‘absence of fear’…the absence of feeling threat…?…he didn’t even seem to absorb any terrifying aspect to it when Teri was attacked….and similarly with Darrien, who was drugging him to sexually abuse him…?…he knew that it was happening, obviously….it just made him feel more and more self loathing …but there was no fear for threat of safety, was there…

[Strictly Jake]

I think I got as far as I can get with it it's a bit too disturbing for me. The last episode I watched she was just sat at the bus stop for 13+ hours staring. I don't know if I can bring myself to see it through to the end it made me feel odd

[Zizu]

I think I got as far as I can get with it it's a bit too disturbing for me. The last episode I watched she was just sat at the bus stop for 13+ hours staring. I don't know if I can bring myself to see it through to the end it made me feel odd


Jesus that sounds like a long episode

:)


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[Ninastar]

Does anything bad happen to any animals in this show?

[Ninastar]

Or children (god I’m messed up for saying animals first)

[Niamh.]

Does anything bad happen to any animals in this show?No

[Niamh.]

Or children (god I’m messed up for saying animals first)No

[Ninastar]

What about the children niamh

[Ninastar]

Only just seen that other reply, thank you!

[Mystic Mock]

Or children (god I’m messed up for saying animals first)

Join the club, Ninastar.

Become one of us.:devil:

But being serious, I recommend that you never watch a Korean series called Mouse, going by what you've said in this thread.:laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

absolutely awful bollocks

its like its made by an 18 year old

if this is held up as good tv these days

wow

its just rubbish

[Mystic Mock]

absolutely awful bollocks

its like its made by an 18 year old

if this is held up as good tv these days

wow

its just rubbish

Watch an Anime called Chainsaw Man.

It basically feels like it's a 14 year old's attempt at writing something "dark" and "edgy."

[Cherie]

My take from it is that people in power or who can perhaps provide something i.e Darrien get away with literally anything, Donny let the abuse happen because he felt Darrien could help his career, yet he reported Martha, quite rightly but he should have reported both surely .... he seems a very messed up guy

[Ninastar]

Em and I watched it all. I have many thoughts but I probably won’t be able write it all right now so I may type it up in my notes and then post later

My main take from this tho… is that yet again there are ****ed up people in the film/show making industry who take advantage of innocent people just want to be happy and live their truth.

Obvs Martha was crazy af and needed to go to jail, but that film writer was the clear villain in the grand scheme of things

Also, I like how much awareness is brought up for those who are mentally ill. I feel like this show is going to be a HUGE eye opener for many people and I think this is a good thing.

[Zizu]

My take from it is that people in power or who can perhaps provide something i.e Darrien get away with literally anything, Donny let the abuse happen because he felt Darrien could help his career, yet he reported Martha, quite rightly but he should have reported both surely .... he seems a very messed up guy


Excellent take on things


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[Zizu]

Em and I watched it all. I have many thoughts but I probably won’t be able write it all right now so I may type it up in my notes and then post later

My main take from this tho… is that yet again there are ****ed up people in the film/show making industry who take advantage of innocent people just want to be happy and live their truth.

Obvs Martha was crazy af and needed to go to jail, but that film writer was the clear villain in the grand scheme of things

Also, I like how much awareness is brought up for those who are mentally ill. I feel like this show is going to be a HUGE eye opener for many people and I think this is a good thing.


I presumed that Donny was revisiting him to set things straight .. so to speak


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