Physically Healthy Dutch Woman,33 hopes to end her life by Euthanasia

[arista]

Was Debated on
Headliners the full one-hour
Newspaper Review. GBnewsHD

They Pointed out UK Labour's Starmer
is to bring in this law.


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/04/25/12/83248273-13349209-Zoraya_ter_Beek_pictured_who_lives_in_a_small_vill age_in_the_Net-a-2_1714044478761.jpg
[Zoraya ter Beek, (pictured) who lives in a
small village in the Netherlands,
suffers from depression and has autism and
a borderline personality disorder.
She has decided to end her life by euthanasia
after a psychiatrist told her
'there's nothing more we can do for you'
and that 'it's never gonna get any better']



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13349209/Physically-healthy-Dutch-woman-hopes-latest-person-country-end-life-euthanasia-34th-birthday.html

[Zizu]

Was Debated on
Headliners the full one-hour
Newspaper Review. GBnewsHD

They Pointed out UK Labour's Starmer
is to bring in this law.


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/04/25/12/83248273-13349209-Zoraya_ter_Beek_pictured_who_lives_in_a_small_vill age_in_the_Net-a-2_1714044478761.jpg
[Zoraya ter Beek, (pictured) who lives in a
small village in the Netherlands,
suffers from depression and has autism and
a borderline personality disorder.
She has decided to end her life by euthanasia
after a psychiatrist told her
'there's nothing more we can do for you'
and that 'it's never gonna get any better']



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13349209/Physically-healthy-Dutch-woman-hopes-latest-person-country-end-life-euthanasia-34th-birthday.html


Blimey this story is so sad


I am autistic / ADHD with elements of OCD and have battled depression since my teenage years ( 50 years ago) .

I have also had some very dark thoughts now and again over the years when things just got on top of me but thankfully I never reached the part where you actually decide to act on those thoughts .

Depression is s terrible illness but when you throw in the complexities of autism it’s a whole new game .


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[arista]

Blimey this story is so sad


I am autistic / ADHD with elements of OCD and have battled depression since my teenage years ( 50 years ago) .

I have also had some very dark thoughts now and again over the years when things just got on top of me but thankfully I never reached the part where you actually decide to act on those thoughts .

Depression is s terrible illness but when you throw in the complexities of autism it’s a whole new game .





It is not like the UK
this is the nation of Nicky.

The Psychiatrist sounds like,
was giving the wrong advice to her.

[Mystic Mock]

Blimey this story is so sad


I am autistic / ADHD with elements of OCD and have battled depression since my teenage years ( 50 years ago) .

I have also had some very dark thoughts now and again over the years when things just got on top of me but thankfully I never reached the part where you actually decide to act on those thoughts .

Depression is s terrible illness but when you throw in the complexities of autism it’s a whole new game .


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I know that this is a really personal question that I'm about to ask, so I understand if you don't want to answer.

But for you personally, what would you say is the hardest condition to live with?

[Nicky91]

It is not like the UK
this is the nation of Nicky.

The Psychiatrist sounds like,
was giving the wrong advice to her.

yeah well it's pretty easy to quickly say ''there is nothing we can do for you''

instead of actually trying your best to help her


more comes across like ''don't be a waste of our time, so we can 'help' as many people as possible to earn some quick cash''

[Zizu]

I know that this is a really personal question that I'm about to ask, so I understand if you don't want to answer.

But for you personally, what would you say is the hardest condition to live with?


Autism .

I’m finding it hard to put into words but the traits ( the ones particular to me - as every autistic person has their own individual set ) that come with Autism make life so tremendously difficult / draining each and every day .

Even the most basic problem of trying to appear to be normal when in the company of others ( close family included) is such a strain .. mentally and physically ..


For future reference (to everyone) I don’t mind answering any questions - I’m not a brilliant wordsmith though :)


Apparently I’m one of the lucky ones in that even though I suffer ( in many ways ) due to autism.. I am AWARE that I’m different and able to learn / develop strategies to help me cope and even appear to be somewhat normal .

So I can blend into everyday life / work / meetings/ gatherings / parties and nobody would guess how traumatic each and every day can be ..

Many autistics are trapped ( to varying degrees obviously) in their own little worlds.

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[UserSince2005]

What ever makes you happy hunny 🥰

[Redway]

After some clomipramine and trifluoperazine and intense DBT you never know who she might be. Maybe she just hasn't found the right treatment.

[Kate!]

Autism .

I’m finding it hard to put into words but the traits ( the ones particular to me - as every autistic person has their own individual set ) that come with Autism make life so tremendously difficult / draining each and every day .

Even the most basic problem of trying to appear to be normal when in the company of others ( close family included) is such a strain .. mentally and physically ..


For future reference (to everyone) I don’t mind answering any questions - I’m not a brilliant wordsmith though :)


Apparently I’m one of the lucky ones in that even though I suffer ( in many ways ) due to autism.. I am AWARE that I’m different and able to learn / develop strategies to help me cope and even appear to be somewhat normal .

So I can blend into everyday life / work / meetings/ gatherings / parties and nobody would guess how traumatic each and every day can be ..

Many autistics are trapped ( to varying degrees obviously) in their own little worlds.

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I think you're quite articulate Zizu. I enjoy your posts.

[Kate!]

After some clomipramine and trifluoperazine and intense DBT you never know who she might be. Maybe she just hasn't found the right treatment.

I so agree with this. It's terrible to write her off, especially at 33. Smacks of "can't be bothered".

Poor lady.

[Zizu]

I think you're quite articulate Zizu. I enjoy your posts.


Hugz


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[Redway]

"Person X with borderline personality disorder (especially quiet BPD) is struggling? Why can't they just go to the doctors?"

Because short of intensive dialectical behavioural therapists and psychiatrists/psychologists who really know their holistic onions about giving its treatment a good go, a good bash, more doctors than not tend to be absolutely useless when it comes to BPD. Unless you're slitting your wrists every weeknight and going for crazy joyrides after you feel rejected or abandoned, they wash their hands off-of you. They don't care. They'll treat other conditions (like depression) but they'll neglect your BPD unless you're in an explosive crisis. The therapy that's genuinely helpful for people with borderline isn't offered that much in this part of the world. British therapists are very behind when it comes to dialectical therapy, and a lot of the time the shrinks won't even consider medication for it, because they see it as inherently untreatable. Yeah, BPD is hard to treat but there are options and it's every bit as deserving of treatment as diabetes or cancer.

[Redway]

I so agree with this. It's terrible to write her off, especially at 33. Smacks of "can't be bothered".

Poor lady.

Terrible, innit, Kate?

[Kate!]

Terrible, innit, Kate?

An emphatic yes. She should sue that psychiatrist.

[Redway]

An emphatic yes. She should sue that psychiatrist.

There are people working in healthcare who just shouldn't be. You hear the daftest, stupidest shii from people who just lack empathy or haven't got the right attitude.

[Kate!]

I wish there was an opportunity to speak to this lady and tell her that life could be worth living.

When I had my mental breakdown I thought my life was over. I've come a long way since 2014. I wasn't suffering to the extent she is but it was bad enough.

[Redway]

I wish there was an opportunity to speak to this lady and tell her that life could be worth living.

When I had my mental breakdown I thought my life was over. I've come a long way since 2014. I wasn't suffering to the extent she is but it was bad enough.

2014 was a tough year for me, too, Kate, and ditto with quite a lot of people I know. Started off fine for moi (mostly) but it all went downhill after the first two-and-a-half months and I just didn't see how I was going to be able to put up with life as it was like this and keep doing life. I wouldn't say I was actively suicidal but I just didn't see a way through it, and what I was dealing with actually wasn't a quick fix with an easy solution anyway. It all ended up falling on my shoulders and I had to be my own best advocate, as-usual.

But yeah. There was definitely something in the water that year. A lot of people really suffered and struggled in 2014.

[Kate!]

2014 was a tough year for me, too, Kate, and ditto with quite a lot of people I know. Started off fine for moi (mostly) but it all went downhill after the first two-and-a-half months and I just didn't see how I was going to be able to put up with life as it was like this and keep doing life. I wouldn't say I was actively suicidal but I just didn't see a way through it, and what I was dealing with actually wasn't a quick fix with an easy solution anyway. It all ended up falling on my shoulders and I had to be my own best advocate, as-usual.

But yeah. There was definitely something in the water that year. A lot of people really suffered and struggled in 2014.

This is exactly how I felt too.

[Redway]

This is exactly how I felt too.

2014 was a terrible, terrible year.

[Beso]

Everyone should have this option open to them.

[Beso]

I took a load of paracetmals and vodka in 2010, ended up asleep, and woke spewing white froth. It lasted for over 8 hours.

I wouldn't recommend trying that.. I would seriously consider euthanasia though, even though I ain't gonna be topping myself anytime soon.

[Zizu]

I wish there was an opportunity to speak to this lady and tell her that life could be worth living.

When I had my mental breakdown I thought my life was over. I've come a long way since 2014. I wasn't suffering to the extent she is but it was bad enough.


I had that same exact thought but I was scared of someone having a go at me for suggesting it ..


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[Redway]

I had that same exact thought but I was scared of someone having a go at me for suggesting it ..


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Don’t be scared. Most of us here have been through dark times and know what you’re trying to say.

Parmy. :love: come over and have some haggis on the house.

[Kate!]

I had that same exact thought but I was scared of someone having a go at me for suggesting it ..


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Ahh, it means you're thoughtful and caring.

[Ammi]

…it kind of ‘normalises’ suicide, doesn’t it…I was reading a bit about the process/Zoraya ter Beek speaking about it and how there’ll be coffee, there’ll be relaxation and calm and maybe there’ll be chilled conversation…?…I think so…and then there’ll be the euthanasia alongside…I tried to imagine watching that scene on a movie and how shocking and stunning it would feel and would be…

…I don’t know how I feel about it, but then it really isn’t up to me to feel anything…I also read that ‘the European way’ as it has been called is available or has been available to children as young as 12yrs old…

[Mystic Mock]

Autism .

I’m finding it hard to put into words but the traits ( the ones particular to me - as every autistic person has their own individual set ) that come with Autism make life so tremendously difficult / draining each and every day .

Even the most basic problem of trying to appear to be normal when in the company of others ( close family included) is such a strain .. mentally and physically ..


For future reference (to everyone) I don’t mind answering any questions - I’m not a brilliant wordsmith though :)


Apparently I’m one of the lucky ones in that even though I suffer ( in many ways ) due to autism.. I am AWARE that I’m different and able to learn / develop strategies to help me cope and even appear to be somewhat normal .

So I can blend into everyday life / work / meetings/ gatherings / parties and nobody would guess how traumatic each and every day can be ..

Many autistics are trapped ( to varying degrees obviously) in their own little worlds.

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That does admittedly sound rough, especially knowing how spiteful some people can be to anyone that's noticeably different to themselves.

And don't worry about being a wordsmith, I'm the furthest thing from a wordsmith that you could possibly get.:laugh:

I'm glad that you weren't offended by my question, because I know that I was going a bit personal, thank you for the reply.

[Mystic Mock]

I wish there was an opportunity to speak to this lady and tell her that life could be worth living.

When I had my mental breakdown I thought my life was over. I've come a long way since 2014. I wasn't suffering to the extent she is but it was bad enough.

I think that most of us wish that we could help people like this woman.

But unfortunately the world is cruel.

And I'm glad to know that life has picked up for you Kate.

[Livia]

This woman is in charge of her own life. I'm sure she's spent a lot of time considering the options and listened to lots of people telling her that life is worth living. In my opinion her life is her own and so long as she hasn't been coerced and knows all the implications people should respect her decision.

[Redway]

https://www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/may/16/dutch-woman-euthanasia-approval-grounds-of-mental-suffering

I know she’s made her choice and everything but I just feel so sorry for her. (This is a different case, involving a 29-year-old.)

[Oliver_W]

Apparently I’m one of the lucky ones in that even though I suffer ( in many ways ) due to autism..



I don't suffer from autism, I have autism; I suffer from idiots.

[Zizu]

I don't suffer from autism, I have autism; I suffer from idiots.


I didn’t say that suffered from Autism


I said that I suffer in many ways ( due to my Autism)


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[Gusto Brunt]

I call that assisted murder.

The woman needs intense mental heath treatment.

Not put in a coffin.

[Niamh.]

I took a load of paracetmals and vodka in 2010, ended up asleep, and woke spewing white froth. It lasted for over 8 hours.

I wouldn't recommend trying that.. I would seriously consider euthanasia though, even though I ain't gonna be topping myself anytime soon.I'm sorry to hear that you were feeling that low Parm. I hope things seem better for you at the moment :hug:

I absolutely do not agree with assisting people to kill themselves though (unless terminally ill) its a slippery slope of a road to start going down imo. People are important and should be treated better than that not just cast aside by health professionals like this woman seems to have been

[Livia]

Better to let someone end their life in peace and dignity, if that's what they truly want, than to force them to live. Who are we to say someone must live on if that's not what they want? Rather do it in a controlled environment than have a loved one find their body. Or worse, take meds that don't do the job but all your organs fail and you die an excruciating death, or any one of the myriad ways people kill themselves.

[Redway]

This is the time for MAOIs and other serious treatments to be used more frequently again in psychiatry (especially in this backwards UK). How do you know head-drugs might not do the job when all you've had is sertraline and not tranylcypromine or phenelzine? Imipramine or high-dose clomipramine? Or intravenous ketamine sessions or psilocybin (magic-mushroom) revival? Or ECT? Deep brain stimulation? Or intense dialectical behavioural therapy? Or an intense Dr Ramani cognitive-therapy bookshop-retreat for survivors of narcissistic abuse? How do you actually know you've reached the end of the road and that there's no hope for you when all you've been treated with is generic gunk from some GP who knows less and just wants their money?

[Crimson Dynamo]

If its legal and she has chosen to do it then on you go