Real Stalker from Netflix sensation Baby Reindeer has been named & photo

[arista]

Because the Comedy Star
told everyone it was a True Story

Many public have searched for the Real Stalker
and named her.

Was debated Live on Ch5HD AM

Only on the Pay Dail Mail Site
so that's the only text permitted




[The stalker from Netflix sensation Baby Reindeer
harassed my family for five years… she even
threatened to kill my MP husband]


[Something about the woman on her
television screen made Laura Wray
feel uneasy.
The lawyer, and widow of a Labour MP,
was relaxing at home,
captivated by the opening minutes
of the Netflix sensation Baby Reindeer,
particularly by the character Martha
who stalks a struggling comedian.

What was it about Martha that seemed
so familiar?
Maybe the raucous laugh that seemed to
last just a bit too long,
or the way she clutched her handbag to
her side when timidly entering a pub.
Whatever it was about this
curly-haired Scot,
she reminded Laura of someone
from her past.
The realisation came like an electric jolt,
and Laura slumped back on her sofa,
open-mouthed.]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13357447/stalker-Netflix-Baby-Reindeer-harassed-family-threatened-kill-MP-husband.html



USA Link
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/real-life-baby-reindeer-stalker-speaks-out-netflix-1235885429/


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/04/28/18/84191423-13359629-image-a-2_1714324305307.jpg

That Actress who plays the Stalker

[Niamh.]

Not into vigilantism or anything but at the same time, he should be able to tell his own story. maybe it will be a taste of her own medicine as well

[Braden]

The thing that bothers me about this particular story is Gadd's belief that people would simply leave the real 'Martha' alone because he asked or expected them to.

Netflix did very little to differentiate the real 'Martha' from the character. Part of me feels that Gadd secretly hoped she would be exposed out of resentment, yet he's presenting himself as quite noble about how people should treat her.

[arista]

Not into vigilantism or anything but at the same time, he should be able to tell his own story. maybe it will be a taste of her own medicine as well


Problem is
she is unable to stop folks pointing at her.


She says he is making money
and she has to hide


In an interview with DailyMail + paysite
(they have not named her)

[Niamh.]

The thing that bothers me about this particular story is Gadd's belief that people would simply leave the real 'Martha' alone because he asked or expected them to.

Netflix did very little to differentiate the real 'Martha' from the character. Part of me feels that Gadd secretly hoped she would be exposed out of resentment, yet he's presenting himself as quite noble about how people should treat her.

have you seen the real her?

[user104658]

The thing that bothers me about this particular story is Gadd's belief that people would simply leave the real 'Martha' alone because he asked or expected them to.

Netflix did very little to differentiate the real 'Martha' from the character. Part of me feels that Gadd secretly hoped she would be exposed out of resentment, yet he's presenting himself as quite noble about how people should treat her.

I have just started watching the show, tentatively, and have looked into the background and there's no denying that she is indeed a deeply troubled and quite unwell individual.

HOWEVER

I am sus as **** about Gadd... even stuff he's chosen to put in the show is logically inconsistent and does not add up at all. More to the story than he's telling 1000% lol. By the end of episode one I was saying, "Oh so this is also a story of someone exploiting a vulnerable individual and getting in over their head and burned". ANd that from things he chose to include. Which immediately males me ask, what did he choose to NOT say. Because there will of course be more... you will rarely if ever get an entirely objective version of events from someone who was involved.

One jumped out immediately:

The idea that he "innocently accidentally flirted with her and gave her the wrong idea". BOLLOCKS he knew fine well what he was doing, knew how she was taking it, was winding her up on purpose for laughs from the pub punters. Clear as day reading between the lines. Acting like he wasn't deliberately taking the piss :joker:. I ain't buying it pal.

Now I'm not saying that any of that would justify any level of stalking or harassment but yeah... half a story about how it all started, and one that just does not add up. I'd much rather he'd just been brutally honest and said that he didn't befriend her out of some sort of benign kindness and altruism (pull the other one sir) burt that it was initially all great comedy material and he was knowingly exploiting someone who he knew fine well was not playing with a full deck as the butt of a bad joke. Much more interesting, and much more honest, story.

[arista]

The thing that bothers me about this particular story is Gadd's belief that people would simply leave the real 'Martha' alone because he asked or expected them to.

Netflix did very little to differentiate the real 'Martha' from the character. Part of me feels that Gadd secretly hoped she would be exposed out of resentment, yet he's presenting himself as quite noble about how people should treat her.


Yes it was silly of him to go into the detail

[Ammi]

…it’s a really layered thing this, I think and there were so many thoughts running through my head while I was watching it and then endlessly when it was finished…I’m just reading the Hollywood Reporter article posted….



An unnamed woman, who claims to be the inspiration behind Jessica Gunning’s Martha in the new, popular series, told the Daily Mail she was considering legal action for defamation following the release of the Richard Gadd project.


…I’m trying to imagine if ‘Martha’ was a male because one of the things that I felt strongly was an ‘absence of fear’….and I couldn’t relate that in the same way, had Martha been a male…especially as she had shown and displayed physical violence…but Donny still didn’t appear to feel any physical threat …so basically the stalker is ‘claiming victim-hood’ because there were recognisable or identifiable things that she feels have impacted her anonymity…?…and I’m thinking, how would I feel if a serial/violent and potentially dangerous male stalker was making the same claims…it’s a very complex and layered situation, I think…

[arista]

"it’s a very complex and layered situation, I think… "

Of Course.

But that lady has been Named on Social Media

This has got out of hand Ammi

[user104658]

…it’s a really layered thing this, I think and there were so many thoughts running through my head while I was watching it and then endlessly when it was finished…I’m just reading the Hollywood Reporter article posted….



An unnamed woman, who claims to be the inspiration behind Jessica Gunning’s Martha in the new, popular series, told the Daily Mail she was considering legal action for defamation following the release of the Richard Gadd project.


…I’m trying to imagine if ‘Martha’ was a male because one of the things that I felt strongly was an ‘absence of fear’….and I couldn’t relate that in the same way, had Martha been a male…especially as she had shown and displayed physical violence…but Donny still didn’t appear to feel any physical threat …so basically the stalker is ‘claiming victim-hood’ because there were recognisable or identifiable things that she feels have impacted her anonymity…?…and I’m thinking, how would I feel if a serial/violent and potentially dangerous male stalker was making the same claims…it’s a very complex and layered situation, I think…

Also worth considering though Ammi - #1 it is far more often the case that women are harrassed/stalked/attacked by violent males and how often do you see them self-creating a dramatised version of it... much less one starring themselves?

I have real questions around the veracity of the storytelling with this one, there are places where 2+2 is definitely coming up with 5 for me. And the thing is... I'm not saying she isn't an unwell/unhunged/dangerous individual, I just suspect he is being ... economical ... with the full circumstances.

I realise this sounds a touch victim-blamey but like I said before, I would much rather hear the whole story warts'n'all and I guess it's sort of the opposite of victim blaming - as I'm NOT saying it would justify her in any way - and that's kind of the point.

[Ammi]

Also worth considering though Ammi - #1 it is far more often the case that women are harrassed/stalked/attacked by violent males and how often do you see them self-creating a dramatised version of it... much less one starring themselves?

I have real questions around the veracity of the storytelling with this one, there are places where 2+2 is definitely coming up with 5 for me. And the thing is... I'm not saying she isn't an unwell/unhunged/dangerous individual, I just suspect he is being ... economical ... with the full circumstances.

I realise this sounds a touch victim-blamey but like I said before, I would much rather hear the whole story warts'n'all and I guess it's sort of the opposite of victim blaming - as I'm NOT saying it would justify her in any way - and that's kind of the point.

…but that’s what I mean….because there would be attachment of fear or presence of fear to very much factor as well…which for me seemed to be absent with this …was it because it was a female stalking a male..?…I’m not sure tbh because she did display physical violence and was very violent with someone he was dating/Teri…one of the things he said…’Martha made me feel as though I was the person that I wanted to be…’…I mean, I can totally get that a female could feel that also before behaviour became concerning…?…but not once the obsession became apparent and that stalker had physically attacked someone she was dating….

[Ammi]

"it’s a very complex and layered situation, I think… "

Of Course.

But that lady has been Named on Social Media

This has got out of hand Ammi

…I mean, sadly and wrongly it’s very difficult for anyone not to be named on social media, that’s part of the toxicity and danger of it…I would say there’s a likelihood of ‘naming on social media’ even when there is complete innocence also…

[arista]

She has now come out in the open.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNGU9CCW4AAXFlC?format=jpg&name=small

[Crimson Dynamo]

8pm with Piers tonight on YOuTube

[arista]

8pm with Piers tonight on YOuTube


Post the Interview
if you can LT.

[arista]

Sky News Text:
[Woman who claims the character Martha
from the Netflix hit Baby Reindeer
is based on her has taken part in an interview
with Piers Morgan in which she has denied
being a stalker,
The Sun reports.]


Fiona Harvey


https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-d986fd07-66d6-4c88-a8f8-5388868dd19f.png

[Cherie]

The thing that bothers me about this particular story is Gadd's belief that people would simply leave the real 'Martha' alone because he asked or expected them to.

Netflix did very little to differentiate the real 'Martha' from the character. Part of me feels that Gadd secretly hoped she would be exposed out of resentment, yet he's presenting himself as quite noble about how people should treat her.

Lovely to see you Braden :love: yes I agree he would have been well aware of the furore around her....are people looking for the guy who raped him with such vigour I wonder

[Zizu]

Lovely to see you Braden :love: yes I agree he would have been well aware of the furore around her....are people looking for the guy who raped him with such vigour I wonder


Yeah the guy who groomed , drugged and raped him repeatedly should be brought to justice .. swiftly and harshly to send a strong message out !!!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

[Crimson Dynamo]

mK-isQXd_Qw

[arista]

Thank you LT

Great No Commercials


She says she has never been in jail.

[user104658]

Lovely to see you Braden :love: yes I agree he would have been well aware of the furore around her....are people looking for the guy who raped him with such vigour I wonder

I'm in full agreement about Gadd I find him an unreliable narrator for one - I said in the thread about the show itself, some of his account of events is ringing my BS bell. He followed her home and peaked in her window while he was already concerned about her behaviour? Crap! He was curious and nosy wanted to find out more about the crazy lady! The suggestive/misleading texts were "sent by his workmates who stole his phone and sent them" ...? :facepalm: High school level excuses here I don't buy it at all. He def sent those messages himself. Probably not meaning it, and probably with his pals watching, yes, to get a laugh. I think he's very, very kind to himself in the dramatisation and even with him writing it himself it doesn't ring true.

owever, to be fair, there is a fair amount of vigour in terms of seeking out the high-profile chap who drugged and raped him. Including the internet identifying it as completely the wrong person :umm2:... Gadd has insisted it isn't the person people decided it was, and other industry people basically say "Yeah everyone in the industry is aware of who it actually is, and it's not the person being named". The true identity of the perp seems to be a bit of an "open secret" within certain circles.

My take on Gadd/"Martha"/Fiona is that;

1) She is clearly a vulnerable individual
2) He was BLATANTLY having a laugh at her expense and deliberately misleading her at first for material and for laughs & the pub
3) I imagine it probably did end up getting out of hand but I don't buy his account of how it started at all
4) I would imagine a lot of it is extremely dramatised and exaggerated to make her look "more crazy" and him "more empathetic".
5) I reckon with a good legal team she could almost certainly successfully sue.


My overall final thought on it as well though is that I don't even know why he didn't just tell the brutal bare balls truth as the story even if it didn't paint him in as good a light and made it clear that he was knowingly winding up a mentally vulnerable individual for comedy. It would have made for a more honest self-reflective story - ultimately a BETTER story - and would actually demonstrate some regret.

[arista]

Lovely to see you Braden :love: yes I agree he would have been well aware of the furore around her....are people looking for the guy who raped him with such vigour I wonder


No
Police are not looking at that

It is someone who works on TV in the UK.

[arista]

BBC News Text:
[Daily Mirror - an interview with a woman who says
she is a real-life victim of the stalker depicted
in Netflix's Baby Reindeer.]


https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/897d/live/02e84860-0f12-11ef-b9d8-4f52aebe147d.png.webp

[arista]

Sat 18th May Coventry, Kasbah Night Club
Fiona Harvey is Live

She will sign her autograph?
etc.


https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTW1TqIru32FxBfpze8oFyDlwklG48BO A81Qsv1CCPLMw&s

[arista]

UPDATE:

[A Coventry nightclub tonight said it had
cancelled a public meet and greet
with Fiona Harvey - alleged to be the
real inspiration for the character Martha
on Netflix show Baby Reindeer.
Kasbah Nightclub said the event
was cancelled due to "negative publicity".

The Primrose Hill Street venue added
the event was "deemed unsafe".
It comes after the club received major
backlash over Ms Harvey's appearance.

Kasbah previously said Ms Harvey - who
said she plans to sue Netflix for defamation - would
'sign autographs, take selfies and maybe
take some lucky reindeer home to hang her curtains'.]

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/nightclub-hosting-baby-reindeers-real-202056676.html

[arista]

BBC News Text :
[The Sunday People leads with a report
on calls to national stalking hotline,
the Suzy Lamplugh Trust,
which have jumped by 26% in the month
the controversial Netflix drama
Baby Reindeer was released.]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/4c4b/live/9a98ca50-1556-11ef-a5f9-c9e97f2e93cf.jpg.webp

[arista]

The Lady claims her life is ruined
And Lawyers in California are taking Netflix to Court
for $170milion

[Baby Reindeer’s Real-Life Martha Pursues
Netflix With $170M Defamation & Negligence Suit]


https://deadline.com/2024/06/baby-reindeer-lawsuit-netflix-real-life-martha-1235961104/

[user104658]

I think she'll get a hefty payout you know. Mainly because I think Gadd is full of shyte and basically everything that's come out about him from other sources (including co-workers at the pub where he first met "Martha") has confirmed this to be the case. The man ridiculed and deliberately wound up a slightly unstable vulnerable individual, made her the butt of his rubbish stand-up material, legitimately ended up in a bad situation yes, but then made a Netflix show about the whole thing painting himself as better than he was and her as far worse.

Messy messy messy. She at the very least deserves a share of the profits.

[arista]

Yes If only the Netflix Introduction
was done properly.

[user104658]

Yes If only the Netflix Introduction
was done properly.

Even if it was, there's a large issue with his self-casting. Should have been disclaimered as fiction based on real life events AND they should have obscured identities better, including casting another actor to play Gadd. He should have been behind the scenes. But at the end of the day he wants the exposure, not just to tell the story, and in the process doesn't really care who else might be exposed.

[GiRTh]

Have I missed something here but how on earth can Gadd be sued.

I havent watched to show but if its 'based' on real events then the clue is in the word 'based'. To the best of my knowledge he's not putting this story out there as a biography or an accurate representation of events - or is he? He also doesn't name the stalker -
I dont see how he can be successfully sued.,

[GiRTh]

Just watched the trailer, I dont watch the show. ITs described as a "captivating true story". Sorry but that's a bit wishy washy to be presented to a judge. I dont think there is enough for any claim that he spins this as an accurate depiction of the events. He changes the names. Some may say its obvious who he's referring to but thats not enough for a court.

[GiRTh]

Hang on. Ive found a vid where a Netflix exec under oath describes Baby Reindeer it as 'An obviously true story', including the part where the stalker was jailed Oh dear. He shouldn't have said that.

Its still quite wishy washy and if it goes to trial then its probably gonna be a lengthy trial that is played out in the news on Social media, but I object to a story teller being sued cuz their story has some reality to it. That opens up a huge can of worms.

[arista]

Hang on. Ive found a vid where a Netflix exec under oath describes Baby Reindeer it as 'An obviously true story', including the part where the stalker was jailed Oh dear. He shouldn't have said that.

Its still quite wishy washy and if it goes to trial then its probably gonna be a lengthy trial that is played out in the news on Social media, but I object to a story teller being sued cuz their story has some reality to it. That opens up a huge can of worms.


But it has destroyed her life
that why lawyers in LA
can win their case

[GiRTh]

But it has destroyed her life
that why lawyers in LA
can win their caseIf its tried in the USA then it will become a circus. I still dont see that there is enough to sue.

If anyone is to be sued its probably Netflix, not Gadd, and I'd imagine they'll have rather good council available to them.

[GiRTh]

The more I look into this, the more I think Gadd had an idea, wrote a script and Netflix built up the "Based on a true story" narrative. I still think there is not enough to sue in the UK, USA may be different.

[arista]

If its tried in the USA then it will become a circus. I still dont see that there is enough to sue.

If anyone is to be sued its probably Netflix, not Gadd, and I'd imagine they'll have rather good council available to them.


Yes Mega Lawyer fight.