Farce : ICC prosecutor seeking Israel, Hamas arrest warrants : Biden says NO

[arista]

Without USA backing,
the ICC is a Farce.


He can Fly to USA
will not get arrested

[bots]

If it goes ahead, more and more countries will withdraw from the ICC, which is what it deserves if it's playing politics

[Liam-]

Yet everybody agreed when the same thing was done against Putin, the only people playing politics are the genocide loving zionists that think Israel should be above the law and allowed to murder as many children as they want to.

America has no power against the icc, they can’t control who does and doesn’t get held accountable for their crimes

[Livia]

They don't have one for Putun? Or Assad? Or Aung San Suu Kyi? Strange...

[bots]

Yet everybody agreed when the same thing was done against Putin, the only people playing politics are the genocide loving zionists that think Israel should be above the law and allowed to murder as many children as they want to.

America has no power against the icc, they can’t control who does and doesn’t get held accountable for their crimes

america is not signed up to the ICC, so the ICC has no hold over america. What i am saying is that more and more countries will leave it, which means it ends up with no jurisdiction. That's a simple reality of what will happen

[arista]

If it goes ahead, more and more countries will withdraw from the ICC, which is what it deserves if it's playing politics


Yes good points

[Nicky91]

Biden flip flopping now


must be an election year i guess :hehe:

[user104658]

america is not signed up to the ICC, so the ICC has no hold over america. What i am saying is that more and more countries will leave it, which means it ends up with no jurisdiction. That's a simple reality of what will happen

If it can't seek to investigate potential war crimes without members simply leaving as soon as they disagree with an investigation on politician grounds, then they already have no meaningful jurisdiction.

But we're in late-stage postmodern civilisation so this is par for the course - the social contract breaks down, laws become meaningless. It was ever thus.

Try to impose Covid restrictions like was done successfully in 2020 and see what happens in 2024. The illusion of compliance and authority is all but gone in the western world, whether that's on an individual or geopolitical level.

[bots]

If it can't seek to investigate potential war crimes without members simply leaving as soon as they disagree with an investigation on politician grounds, then they already have no meaningful jurisdiction.

But we're in late-stage postmodern civilisation so this is par for the course - the social contract breaks down, laws become meaningless. It was ever thus.

Try to impose Covid restrictions like was done successfully in 2020 and see what happens in 2024. The illusion of compliance and authority is all but gone in the western world, whether that's on an individual or geopolitical level.

it's like everyone assuming labour will win the next election. The political world is just not the same now as any previous election, so i wouldn't bet on anything

[user104658]

it's like everyone assuming labour will win the next election. The political world is just not the same now as any previous election, so i wouldn't bet on anything

On that front to be fair there are actual indicators of how it will go in terms of actual meaningful polling/local elections etc... it would take a lot for the Tories to not be absolutely slammed at the GE. Public tide has turned - they're no longer a fashionable choice, and no longer have the "glory hunter" effect (i.e. the people who will simply vote for whichever party they think is going to win, so that they can claim the victory and celebrate the win).

I'm not convinced it'll be a Labour landslide though, probably looking at a minority government, a coalition less likely. The main difference is that I don't think there'll be a clear major opposition party - it'll be Labour in power and a gaggle of opposition parties. Tories not massively ahead of the traditionally smaller parties in terms of seats.

But we will see. As you say, hard to predict anything until a few weeks before the vote at this point. Who bloody knows what ****storm global event will have kicked off by then.

[arista]

There are No Reporters in Gaza,

The ICC can not just take the word of the Terrrorist Hamas.

Of course, it can take months for these judges
to get a final decision.


But America does not back them.

They should first get the full support of America
before doing this which has become a Farce

[DemRed]

Without USA backing,
the ICC is a Farce.


He can Fly to USA
will not get arrested

The US isn't a member of the ICC so they didn't need its backing.

[DemRed]

Yet everybody agreed when the same thing was done against Putin, the only people playing politics are the genocide loving zionists that think Israel should be above the law and allowed to murder as many children as they want to.

America has no power against the icc, they can’t control who does and doesn’t get held accountable for their crimes

Even though the US isn't a member of thee ICC, it donated money to it when they were going after Putin.

[DemRed]

They don't have one for Putun? Or Assad? Or Aung San Suu Kyi? Strange...

They have one on Putin.

[DemRed]

america is not signed up to the ICC, so the ICC has no hold over america. What i am saying is that more and more countries will leave it, which means it ends up with no jurisdiction. That's a simple reality of what will happen

Did you watch the ICJ hearings?
124 countries voted for this... two withheld and one voted against it.

[arista]

The US isn't a member of the ICC so they didn't need its backing.

Of Course
they are not a member

But they could still say if they agree.


President Biden said NO
to what the ICC stated

That Matters so much

[bots]

it doesn't matter at all if the USA agree with it or not. All it means is he wont be arrested if he visits America

[Crimson Dynamo]

As President Joe Biden has said, to draw any sort of moral equivalence between the
Islamist terrorists, rapists and murderers of Hamas with the leader of a democratically-
elected government in the midst of a war that was initiated by those self-same terrorists is
outrageous. It is virtue-signalling on a global scale and it is utterly unjustified.


So naturally, David Lammy has backed it. :facepalm:

Starmer should sack this thick aggressive nasty man

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/21/labour-must-sack-david-lammy-for-backing-absurd-icc-warrant/

[DemRed]

Of Course
they are not a member

But they could still say if they agree.


President Biden said NO
to what the ICC stated

That Matters so much

No, they don't get a say if they are not a member.

[DemRed]

Seven British ministers – including Rishi Sunak, David Cameron, Grant Shapps and Kemi Badenoch – must be investigated for aiding Israel

With the ICC’s chief prosecutor issuing an application for an arrest warrant against Israel’s prime minister for “war crimes and crimes against humanity”, attention must turn to those who have aided Israel.
British ministers have for months been materially assisting Israel during its onslaught against Palestinians in Gaza. This support is being provided in three main ways.
First, the UK is providing arms to Israel. Recently filed court documents reveal that, as of January this year, the UK government had 28 extant and 28 pending “high-risk” licences with Israel marked as “most likely to be used by the IDF in offensive operations in Gaza”.
On 18 January, Israeli forces bombed a residential compound in Gaza housing the emergency medical team of Medical Aid for Palestinians (MAP), a British charity. Four British doctors were injured in the airstrike, alongside MAP staff members and a bodyguard.
The attack was carried out by an F-16 jet, components for which have been supplied by UK companies.
But the UK continues to arm Israel, rejecting repeated calls by campaign groups, former supreme court judges and some MPs to halt them...continues.

https://www.declassifieduk.org/icc-must-investigate-british-ministers-for-complicity-in-gaza-war-crimes/

[Liam-]

It’s alright, the genocide lovers will be happy to know that even after this has come out, Israel have continued to bomb hospitals and shoot children, so it doesn’t seem to be having much of an effect right now

[Crimson Dynamo]

It’s alright, the genocide lovers will be happy to know that even after this has come out, Israel have continued to bomb hospitals and shoot children, so it doesn’t seem to be having much of an effect right now

"GENOCIDE"

"DEAD CHILDREN"

Liam every post you are making now is just Hamas buzzwords - its like you have been hacked by a BOT??

[Crimson Dynamo]

Seven British ministers – including Rishi Sunak, David Cameron, Grant Shapps and Kemi Badenoch – must be investigated for aiding Israel

With the ICC’s chief prosecutor issuing an application for an arrest warrant against Israel’s prime minister for “war crimes and crimes against humanity”, attention must turn to those who have aided Israel.
British ministers have for months been materially assisting Israel during its onslaught against Palestinians in Gaza. This support is being provided in three main ways.
First, the UK is providing arms to Israel. Recently filed court documents reveal that, as of January this year, the UK government had 28 extant and 28 pending “high-risk” licences with Israel marked as “most likely to be used by the IDF in offensive operations in Gaza”.
On 18 January, Israeli forces bombed a residential compound in Gaza housing the emergency medical team of Medical Aid for Palestinians (MAP), a British charity. Four British doctors were injured in the airstrike, alongside MAP staff members and a bodyguard.
The attack was carried out by an F-16 jet, components for which have been supplied by UK companies.
But the UK continues to arm Israel, rejecting repeated calls by campaign groups, former supreme court judges and some MPs to halt them.

https://www.declassifieduk.org/icc-must-investigate-british-ministers-for-complicity-in-gaza-war-crimes/

Is Declassified UK a reputable source?

In late July 2020 a military officer on temporary loan to the Defence
Communications Directorate put forward a brief suggestion that Declassified
should be put on a list of organisations which the Department would not
engage with, or rarely engage with, because it was not considered a
reputable source of news.

First search result from Google

:facepalm:

[DemRed]

Depends on your media bias. That said, its all over YT and with the ICC prosecutor Karim Khan, speaking these very words.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Depends on your media bias. That said, its all over YT and with the ICC prosecutor Karim Khan, speaking these very words.

"must be investigated for aiding Israel"

Subjective bias nonsense

[The Slim Reaper]

As President Joe Biden has said, to draw any sort of moral equivalence between the
Islamist terrorists, rapists and murderers of Hamas with the leader of a democratically-
elected government in the midst of a war that was initiated by those self-same terrorists is
outrageous. It is virtue-signalling on a global scale and it is utterly unjustified.


So naturally, David Lammy has backed it. :facepalm:

Starmer should sack this thick aggressive nasty man

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/21/labour-must-sack-david-lammy-for-backing-absurd-icc-warrant/

Just write the word you want to say.

[arista]

[Seven British ministers – including Rishi Sunak,
David Cameron, Grant Shapps and Kemi Badenoch – must be
investigated for aiding Israel]

How Nice

[arista]

Labour will now Arrest the Israeli Leader.
if he comes to the UK

Once they pass it.

From Question Time Live. The Last Question

A Question on it
Brought out the Truth.

[DemRed]

Yet everybody agreed when the same thing was done against Putin, the only people playing politics are the genocide loving zionists that think Israel should be above the law and allowed to murder as many children as they want to.

America has no power against the icc, they can’t control who does and doesn’t get held accountable for their crimes

This, with bells on!

[Liam-]

Labour will now Arrest the Israeli Leader.
if he comes to the UK

Once they pass it.

From Question Time Live. The Last Question

A Question on it
Brought out the Truth.

Good, they’ve finally grown an inch of backbone

[DemRed]

There are No Reporters in Gaza,

The ICC can not just take the word of the Terrrorist Hamas.

Of course, it can take months for these judges
to get a final decision.


But America does not back them.

They should first get the full support of America
before doing this which has become a Farce

The investigations by the ICC on Israeli atrocities, have been going on since 2020. What is happening in Gaza now has sped up that investigation.
There are reporters in Gaza and there is Human Rights Watch, who have shown evidence of starvation and the use of white phosphorus.
As well as that, we have had doctors/surgeons from around the globe (Doctors Without Borders) giving further evidence of starvation and white phosphorus.

You may think America should be above the law, but it's not. They applauded the criminal trial against Putin, but now they are throwing their toys out of the pram. You really don't need the full support of a potential criminal before issuing an arrest warrant. Its not like they are issuing it on a country.

[joeysteele]

Labour will now Arrest the Israeli Leader.
if he comes to the UK

Once they pass it.

From Question Time Live. The Last Question

A Question on it
Brought out the Truth.

IF it's passed .

Nothing wrong in doing so.
Netanyahu is wrong and in my view is dangerous too.

Israel would have a favour done for it if a Nation did arrest Netanyahu.
In my view.
He's certainly not listening to any of his allies.

[The Slim Reaper]

It's the whole Israeli government, let's be honest. Anyone with a passing interest has access to most of them saying some pretty heinous things.

[joeysteele]

Labour will now Arrest the Israeli Leader.
if he comes to the UK

Once they pass it.

From Question Time Live. The Last Question

A Question on it
Brought out the Truth.

It was the Lib Dem Daisy Cooper who said that.
Not Bridget Phillipson.of Labour.

Mind you, Bridget performed really badly tonight.
Not a good night for her.

[arista]

It was the Lib Dem Daisy Cooper who said that.
Not Bridget Phillipson.of Labour.

Mind you, Bridget performed really badly tonight.
Not a good night for her.


Yes she did

[arista]

Labour said they will back the ICC ruling
Bridget Phillipson MP


Joey


LibDem we know about

[joeysteele]

Labour said they will back the ICC ruling
Bridget Phillipson MP


Joey


LibDem we know about

Kind of, not conclusively.
In fact she answered virtually nothing conclusively.

It should be upheld though if the court issues said warrants.
Netanyahu should not be on the World stage in my view