Diane Abbott ‘to be banned from standing for Labour’

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/columnists/2023/09/21/TELEMMGLPICT000223771570_16952811867460_trans_NvBQ zQNjv4BqpVlberWd9EgFPZtcLiMQf0Rf_Wk3V23H2268P_XkPx c.jpeg?imwidth=680


(Race Baiter) Diane Abbott will not be allowed to stand as a Labour candidate at
the general election, according to reports.

The MP for Hackney North & Stoke Newington was suspended from the party in
April last year after she suggested that Jewish people did not experience racism
“all their lives”.

The party leadership has decided that there are no circumstances in which she
will stand for Labour on July 4, according to the Times.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/05/28/general-election-latest-farage-starmer-rishi-sunak-live/

wise move to ditch this nasty woman from Starmer

[Kate!]

Good

[bots]

From the bbc ....

I understand Diane Abbott was given the Labour whip back today.

She had been suspended as a Labour MP over comments she made about race in a newspaper last year.

The suspension made her ineligible to stand as a Labour candidate at this election.

Party officials had tried to broker a deal by which she would not run again in return for the whip being restored.

It’s not clear if she has accepted that arrangement, but for now she is once again a Labour MP.

-----------------------------------------

That doesn't make any sense to me .... but, will be a great tory boost i would imagine

[joeysteele]

I think she should accept the arrangement suggested and not stand for election.
I'm pleased she's been re-admitted but Diane can be her own worst enemy at times unfortunately.

[Mystic Mock]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/columnists/2023/09/21/TELEMMGLPICT000223771570_16952811867460_trans_NvBQ zQNjv4BqpVlberWd9EgFPZtcLiMQf0Rf_Wk3V23H2268P_XkPx c.jpeg?imwidth=680


(Race Baiter) Diane Abbott will not be allowed to stand as a Labour candidate at
the general election, according to reports.

The MP for Hackney North & Stoke Newington was suspended from the party in
April last year after she suggested that Jewish people did not experience racism
“all their lives”.

The party leadership has decided that there are no circumstances in which she
will stand for Labour on July 4, according to the Times.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/05/28/general-election-latest-farage-starmer-rishi-sunak-live/

wise move to ditch this nasty woman from Starmer

That picture is iconic.:laugh:

[bots]

it's an odd one, i don't think Starmer has come out of this looking particularly good

[arista]

She is going to Retire



Shorter Newsnight says

[arista]

Yes 7PM Ch4HDnews
confirmed she is banned

Using, The Times Paper Site

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/05/29/00/85447487-0-image-m-21_1716940167146.jpg

[Mystic Mock]

it's an odd one, i don't think Starmer has come out of this looking particularly good

Does Starmer ever come out of situations looking good?:laugh:

[arista]

So Labour must have a Replacement
ready.

Let's see who they have?

[arista]

Diane has told SkyNewsHD
she can not stand.


Labour Party too scared to say anything?

[Oliver_W]

What she said was truly ignorant and stupid, no denying. But being those things is evidently not a barrier to being an MP, so why ban her?

[arista]

I think she should accept the arrangement suggested and not stand for election.
I'm pleased she's been re-admitted but Diane can be her own worst enemy at times unfortunately.


But the locals,
want her Joey

[arista]

What she said was truly ignorant and stupid, no denying. But being those things is evidently not a barrier to being an MP, so why ban her?


She is a Corbyn backer?

[Oliver_W]

She is a Corbyn backer?

i already said she was stupid

So are others.

[arista]

Old Corbyn is a independent MP

She could also be one


But I assume it will go Front Page

[joeysteele]

But the locals,
want her Joey

It's not the first time she's caused controversy.

She can stand as an Independent but whatever the conclusions of the investigation were.
While they've satisfied themselves as to the incident she was looked into for.

It may well be there's a feeling she'll explode again.
She may yet still now in response to this.

For me, it's best she just moves on now.
Good luck to her in her life but I think she's kind of demonstrated that she could fire off offensively too many times

[arista]

Wes Streeting MP getting Angry
on GMBHD itv

He does not know why she is not standing

[bots]

I think she is simply out of her depth as an MP Joey. The problem that Starmer has is that there is no good way to handle the situation. Banning her from standing has energised the left wing of the party, and much like the tories, labour do the most damage to themselves by internal squabbles. She and Corbyn are the focal points, and they are not going to disappear quietly into the night

This is starting to feel more and more like the May/Corbyn election

[arista]

MP WES

is in the cabinet

He does not know why she is banned?

[joeysteele]

MP WES

is in the cabinet

He does not know why she is banned?

He likely doesn't know yet the full investigation findings.
Plus he handled that ignorant pair of Charlotte and Madeley really well.
I usually switch to BBC when pompous Madeley is on GMB.
However I like to hear Wesvas the NHS is the more important issue for me.

Cabinet Ministers aren't told everything arista.
Few Cabinet Ministers knew anything of Sunak's so called National Service policy until he announced it.

I'm pleased this issue is dealt with.
No matter Diane's response.
Which won't be much likely conciliatory or welcome.
However as an MP she'd be a constant distraction if she remained a Labour MP
So I think it's time for her to move on.
Stand as an independent if she wishes.
That's entirely up to her.

I agree with bots, she is probably now out of her depth as an MP.
Plus outside her constituency then I doubt more than a minority of voters will give a damn about this matter.

[Cherie]

The report was concluded last December so Starmer lied in an interview with Nick Ferrrari last Friday ...he played the clip again this am ...so embarrassing

[bots]

The report was concluded last December so Starmer lied in an interview with Nick Ferrrari last Friday ...he played the clip again this am ...so embarrassing

elections have been lost over smaller gaffs

[Ammi]

…the irony of this is that the party are banning her from standing because she may be or is too potentially ‘damaging to the Labour Party’…and in banning her from standing, it’s become damaging to the Labour Party….its nonsensical…

…I’m probably just really dumb but Boris Johnson had a long history of prejudice and offensive remarks going back many years and he went on to become PM…So banning Diane Abbot doesn’t have a good feel at all…and that’s in no way minimising what she said but she has completed her suspension time and any punishment should surely not continue into any banning…I mean, this is like a party political broadcast on behalf of the Conservative Party and not a good look for Labour at all…but as I say, maybe I’m just not thinking this through properly…

[joeysteele]

…the irony of this is that the party are banning her from standing because she may be or is too potentially ‘damaging to the Labour Party’…and in banning her from standing, it’s become damaging to the Labour Party….its nonsensical…

…I’m probably just really dumb but Boris Johnson had a long history of prejudice and offensive remarks going back many years and he went on to become PM…So banning Diane Abbot doesn’t have a good feel at all…and that’s in no way minimising what she said but she has completed her suspension time and any punishment should surely not continue into any banning…I mean, this is like a party political broadcast on behalf of the Conservative Party and not a good look for Labour at all…but as I say, maybe I’m just not thinking this through properly…

Boris Johnson too purged the Con party of the remainers thorn in his side and went on to win an 80 overall majority.
Even dumping MPs as sitting MPs like Kenneth Clarke out the party.

I must add it's nice to the concern now as to Diane Abbott.
Because even on here, the ridicule of her and dislike was quite intense.

Plus I have to add, there's people who are in ALL Parties admitted as members.
However who may be or would be deemed sooner or later as not being suitable to select for election on a first time or subsequent time
No matter who they were.

[arista]

All I would prefer

Is Starmer telling the Public the truth

[arista]

Starmer lied on TV yesterday

[Ammi]

Boris Johnson too purged the Con party of the remainers thorn in his side and went on to win an 80 overall majority.
Even dumping MPs as sitting MPs like Kenneth Clarke out the party.

I must add it's nice to the concern now as to Diane Abbott.
Because even on here, the ridicule of her and dislike was quite intense.

Plus I have to add, there's people who are in ALL Parties admitted as members.
However who may be or would be deemed sooner or later as not being suitable to select for election on a first time or subsequent time
No matter who they were.

…I think that one of the most disappointing and saddening things with Diane for me, was that she could have voiced such prejudice when she has been such a victim of it herself…and obviously, still is…Frank Hester’s statement that Diane made him ‘hate all black women’ was appalling….at least with Diane, she has ‘served her time’ as it were, in her suspension….for many other cases, it’s just yesterday’s news and move on…but now a ban from standing as well…?…this is just not sitting right, Joey….

[joeysteele]

All I would prefer

Is Starmer telling the Public the truth

The decision of if Abbott can stand rests with now the National executive of the Party not the leader.

When the extreme left commanded more the NEC they insisted the NEC was gospel.
Now they're not getting their own way, it's all a fix .

Starmer may well have known it was concluded but the final decision on its recommendations will be instrucet BY the NEC now.
Not the Leader.
Although yes, he'll be happy if Abbott isn't an MP just as Corbyn was pleased to lose MPs he had no agreement with.

It's odd you're bothered about Abbott now.

[bots]

Boris Johnson too purged the Con party of the remainers thorn in his side and went on to win an 80 overall majority.
Even dumping MPs as sitting MPs like Kenneth Clarke out the party.

I must add it's nice to the concern now as to Diane Abbott.
Because even on here, the ridicule of her and dislike was quite intense.

Plus I have to add, there's people who are in ALL Parties admitted as members.
However who may be or would be deemed sooner or later as not being suitable to select for election on a first time or subsequent time
No matter who they were.

i saw a YouTube clip yesterday from one of the new right wing TV channels, and they had a momentum guy on and they were agreeing with him that the Diane Abbot treatment was disgusting. You couldn't make it up :laugh:

[joeysteele]

…I think that one of the most disappointing and saddening things with Diane for me, was that she could have voiced such prejudice when she has been such a victim of it herself…and obviously, still is…Frank Hester’s statement that Diane made him ‘hate all black women’ was appalling….at least with Diane, she has ‘served her time’ as it were, in her suspension….for many other cases, it’s just yesterday’s news and move on…but now a ban from standing as well…?…this is just not sitting right, Joey….

From the views she expressed , I said she'd gone way over the line.
Often apologies means little oncebthe damage is done.

For me she shouldn't be an MP now.
She's been one long enough tomorrow how to control herself and what is offensive to say or not.

She's only banned from standing as a Labour representative not to be an MP overall.
If she's that popular stand as an independent when she can then say much of anything she likes.if she gets elected.

[Ammi]

…of course you can make it up, it’s been made up to make politics since the beginning of time …it’s not out of any concern or consideration for Diane Abbott…it’s simply that it’s a ‘gift’ to be used against the Labour Party and tbh, the Labour Party are handing that gift over, so….

[joeysteele]

i saw a YouTube clip yesterday from one of the new right wing TV channels, and they had a momentum guy on and they were agreeing with him that the Diane Abbot treatment was disgusting. You couldn't make it up :laugh:

I'm.not a Con but I thought Johnson's treatment of Ken Clarke and many other of his Party disgusting.
It didn't stop Con and other voters voting for him in the 2019 election though.
Are you a fan of momentum now then bots?

[Ammi]

From the views she expressed , I said she'd gone way over the line.
Often apologies means little oncebthe damage is done.

For me she shouldn't be an MP now.
She's been one long enough tomorrow how to control herself and what is offensive to say or not.

She's only banned from standing as a Labour representative not to be an MP overall.
If she's that popular stand as an independent when she can then say much of anything she likes.if she gets elected.

…ok, that’s all fair enough of a mindset, Joey…I’ll go away and have a little think on that, actually…I mean, I don’t disagree that ‘the damage is done’ but it feels that, that’s quite inconsistent and selective…(…not with you, I’m not saying…I mean in politics and fairness and consistency is what we always like to see, also…)…

[MTVN]

1795717746203771378

Poor Diane

[bots]

I'm.not a Con but I thought Johnson's treatment of Ken Clarke and many other of his Party disgusting.
It didn't stop Con and other voters voting for him in the 2019 election though.
Are you a fan of momentum now then bots?

i never made a secret of the fact that i have disliked Boris going back years. The way he dumped good mp's from the party over brexit was disgusting

And no, i can't stand momentum, but equally, i can't stand the right wing channels either.

I have no political home, i'm waiting for a truly middle of the road party that doesn't involve itself in the muck that current parties are serving up, none of whom can be trusted in anything that they say

[arista]

[The decision of if Abbott can stand rests with now
the National executive of the Party not the leader.]

Yes Joey
he says that every interview.


But he knows whats going on.

[Liam-]

The way she has been treated by Starmer and his servants has been appalling

[arista]

1795717746203771378

Poor Diane



Yes as she left her home today
she said nothing.

[arista]

The way she has been treated by Starmer and his servants has been appalling

Because of Corbyn.

[Beso]

Oh come on people, the things she said were appalling as was the timing. If you add that up with her embarrassing tv interviews roundabout the same time, then it becomes clear she just isnt fit for purpose and clearly wouldnt have all her constituents concerns on a level playing field.

I'm sorry, but you cant virtual signal every black person who makes an ass of themselves, cause that would be stupid.

[joeysteele]

i never made a secret of the fact that i have disliked Boris going back years. The way he dumped good mp's from the party over brexit was disgusting

And no, i can't stand momentum, but equally, i can't stand the right wing channels either.

I have no political home, i'm waiting for a truly middle of the road party that doesn't involve itself in the muck that current parties are serving up, none of whom can be trusted in anything that they say

Bots,its always interesting, sometimes frustrating :joker:, However most of the time informative reading your posts on politics.

You have more experience than myself and good insight to elections too.

It's actually refreshing to discuss politics with you most of the time because you stay reasonable and make very interesting points.
Many of which over the years I've taken on board too.

Maybe and here I go again, my apologies, if we had PR, which I support mow strongly ,maybe there'd be more middle of the road politics as Parties compete to present much more inclusive policymaking to their processes.
I know PR is not perhaps your thing but I do think it could start a whole reformation of the whole process of electioneering and even government itself.

[Livia]

She's been a liability for years. Good riddance.

[Beso]

Perhaps the IRA, sorrry, ex IRA supporter as that was 20 years ago and shes moved on according to her back tracking interview with andrew o Neil.(absolutely no conviction) well perhaps she could join sinn fien, and become a mp for them. Or perhaps she could stand for london mayor to go against sadiq Khan who wouldnt even support her hew comments..things are bad when you dont even get the support of kahn..

This women who has walked straight into many well paying and hard to get jobs since leaving a cambridge college with not much to show for it hasnt done to badly against her years and years of racial prejudice she claims all black people suffer from when she clearly didnt.

Shes a walking talking contradiction and a race baiting liar...perhaps perfect for the current political world I some eyes..NOT mine though..

[arista]

Starmer has said she can run for the Election


Politics live

[arista]

The Unions have Saved her
reports.


Starmer says she is not barred

[Livia]

Starmer has said she can run for the Election


Politics live


smh

[Crimson Dynamo]

farce

[bots]

this is quite a slip up from labour. They have had it easy for a while, now reality hits

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/05/29/10/85460903-13471235-image-a-10_1716975129215.jpg

Before Starmer Spoke

[arista]

[Labour chaos over the future of Diane Abbott as
Keir Starmer insists leftwing Corbyn ally has NOT
been banned from standing at the election
after being branded 'disgraceful' over attempts
to get her out of the Commons]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13471607/Labour-chaos-Diane-Abbott-Keir-Starmer-election.html

[joeysteele]

She can't be barred until the NEC decides.

Starmer is irrelevant, the NEC of the Labour Party has been a real pain to many Labour leaders over decades.

I've no problem with Starmer in any event, or a leader of any Party really ,wanting candidates to be MPs who are more likely to be singing from the same song sheet, especially in government.

[bots]

labour need to present themselves as a united party, to contrast them from the waring tories. Even this week, some were plotting to remove Sunak so they could delay the election :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

The vile little troll khan has backed her

she is in good company

:yuk:

[arista]

Now they are saying can
she go into the House of Lords?


ITV1HD Lunch News

[Beso]

The vile little troll khan has backed her

she is in good company

:yuk:

Hes changed his tune...another flip flopper who flips or flops whenever it suits.

[Beso]

It makes you wonder who's been found with dodgy stuff on their laptops if labour are pushing this onto the front pages by making her relevant again.

[joeysteele]

Good grief, it's incredible now how the media are presenting Abbott as more like a Mother Theresa of politics.

They were all clamouring against her before.

She has often caused problems and said controversial and at times offensive things.
Whether she stands again or not, the only thing about Diane Abbott is that she'll moan her way through the next parliament and much more than likely be embroiled again in offensive actions/ statements of some kind.
Or if she doesn't get to stand again, or does as an independent, then she'll carry on moaning anyhow.

It's laughable that the Cons, the media and political pundits are now lauding her as a victim here
She put herself in this situation by not controlling her mouth and her offensive thinking
No one else put her in this situation.

She also knows full well it is the NEC who'll decide if she stands again.
She knows Labour procedures with the NEC.
So untill they meet and decide she could do everyone a favour and pull the zip over her mouth for a change

[arista]

Corbyn is starting his Campaign Tonight
at 7PM is Islington.

Will Diane, be there?

[Zizu]

Corbyn is starting his Campaign Tonight
at 7PM is Islington.

Will Diane, be there?


Well they were lovers for a while so I wouldn’t be surprised to see her around


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

[Liam-]

Starmer and his cronies ignored the racism faced by Abbott and other female poc within the Labour Party, at the hands of other members, even after there was a detailed report given to the leadership, she has been relentlessly mocked not only by official right wingers, but the so called ‘centrists’ in her own party which she has been a member of for decades before a lot of them even joined the party and then not only do the tories accept money from someone who calls for her to be shot because she makes him hate all black women, the Labour leadership then had the audacity to fundraise off the back of that by pretending to give a toss about the racism she faces, she has a very reasonable anger because the treatment has been awful, especially considering some of the people the leadership are now fully embracing in their embark of power, it’s utterly shameful

[Crimson Dynamo]

She has been thrown under an Islington bus to aid Starmers power grab

:shocked:

[Beso]

Only shameful thing is people singing the praises of an IRA supporter.

[arista]

Hackney Town Hall
has a load of folks standing outside

Big Banner
#Solidarity
with
Diane Abbot


BBC1HD London News

[arista]

Diane Abbot
is going to appear at that Town Hall


soon.

[joeysteele]

Diane Abbot
is going to appear at that Town Hall


soon.

She'll be loving every minute and making a right meal of it all.

Why doesn't she just wait for the NEC to meet and decide.
It's what she would have told others to do in the past when she saw the NEC as far more important than any leader.( bar Corbyn).

[arista]

She is going to stand for Labour.

[joeysteele]

She is going to stand for Labour.

???

There's another Labour MP had to be stopped from standing due to a complaint. Lloyd Russell-Moyle.
He's took it the right way.

Why can't Abbott.

[arista]

???

There's another Labour MP had to be stopped from standing due to a complaint. Lloyd Russell-Moyle.
He's took it the right way.

Why can't Abbott.


He is going to Follow what they tell him
so he is safe.

Ref: Newscast Live on BBCnewsHD now

[bots]

why is anyone surprised by what's happening here. Sunak and Starmer both change policies on a whim depending on which way the wind is blowing.

You cannot believe a word either of them says

[MTVN]

That's a total stitch up on Russell-Moyle tbf, it shouldn't be allowed

[joeysteele]

That's a total stitch up on Russell-Moyle tbf, it shouldn't be allowed

I have my suspicions it is possibly, yes.

[MTVN]

It's like a Kafka story.

'We've received this conveniently timed complaint just before the election. We can't tell you what it is but you now can't stand. You can appeal but there's no chance of being cleared before the election. Try again next time'

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/politics/2024/05/29/TELEMMGLPICT000379823469_17170094343220_trans_NvBQ zQNjv4BqcFbVwrldgDqLr44SrdFj-lHmPOpeFd0SyQx9dn7kM_w.jpeg?imwidth=600

Diane Abbott has told Sir Keir Starmer that she would not be “intimidated” as
she vowed to remain the MP for Hackney North and Stoke Newington.

In her first public remarks about the row over her selection, which has thrown
Labour’s campaign into turmoil, she said that she intends to stay on as an MP
“as long as I am allowed to”.

Addressing her supporters on the steps of Hackney Town Hall, she said: “You
have always stood with me, in good times and bad. And I will always stand with
you. I am not going to allow myself to be intimidated. I am going to be your
MP and as long as I am allowed to.”

#SH1TSHOW

[bots]

I feel we are all being played like puppets. There is no way this all went down naturally

[Crimson Dynamo]

8:42PM
Corbyn: I have sent a message of support to Diane
Jeremy Corbyn received a standing ovation as he took to his feet and made his way to the podium to begin his speech, Connor Stringer writes.

Holding a small microphone, his opening remarks were to thank those in attendance and to wish two of his staffers happy birthday.

But soon after, the hall erupted into applause as Mr Corbyn expressed his support for Diane Abbott

He said: “Even as I am speaking, there are thousands of people outside Hackney Town Hall in support of Diane Abbott.

“Obviously I am not there with her but I have sent a message of support”.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/politics/2024/05/29/TELEMMGLPICT000379827719_17170117345450_trans_NvBQ zQNjv4BqpVlberWd9EgFPZtcLiMQf0Rf_Wk3V23H2268P_XkPx c.jpeg?imwidth=600

[joeysteele]

I'd be suspending her again if I had my way.
The way she's going on.

Definitely time she was retired from Parliament.

She comes across as deranged.

[Liam-]

How dare she be angry at the appalling treatment she’s received

[Beso]

Things can only get better....

I wonder if they are still going to use that...

Jesus, it's like 2 old dinosaurs risen from the grave. Bring back spitting image.

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-9ecee18f-eeec-47ef-a3b0-6db849a1a3d4.jpeg

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-13c41701-a98d-4feb-b7f9-33ff00dca693.jpeg

[Cherie]

what a mess :joker: who briefed the media

[Crimson Dynamo]

Labour

the strong new Government

:laugh2:

absolute socialist chancers

[The Slim Reaper]

The decision of if Abbott can stand rests with now the National executive of the Party not the leader.

When the extreme left commanded more the NEC they insisted the NEC was gospel.
Now they're not getting their own way, it's all a fix .

Starmer may well have known it was concluded but the final decision on its recommendations will be instrucet BY the NEC now.
Not the Leader.
Although yes, he'll be happy if Abbott isn't an MP just as Corbyn was pleased to lose MPs he had no agreement with.

It's odd you're bothered about Abbott now.

"extreme left"

When you were cosplaying as a socialist a few months back, you'd have been considered on the extreme left, now look at you; absolutely nothing Starmer does is in any way a negative.

Corbyn never got involved in any of that, yet he was constantly accused of Stalinist purges. He was so accommodating to the right of the party, that his deputy was actively working against him, and he still took no action. Why you've started rewriting history is baffling.

As for the NEC, well, that's just more made up nonsense about the left, especially as the NEC aren't choosing candidates anymore, they've made themselves the candidates.

Luke Akehurst ring any bells?

For anyone that doesn't know, his day job is to try and infiltrate universities and other places where the youth inhabit, to promote zionism, as director of We Believe In Israel - a pro Israeli lobbying group. Completely cool with parachuting himself into Durham, where his work for a foreign government will be of no concern to Starmer, and for the record - what happens to Diane is Starmers choice, not the NEC. Stop it.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GOxYoyrXsAE1WAr?format=jpg&name=360x360

This is the man who has selected himself to be a labour candidate.

I know you've gone back to being fully right wing again (which is fine), but don't lie about the scary "extreme left" that just want your rivers to be free of crap, and those who are least fortunate in life to be supported. You can't name one extreme thing about those you are calling extremists. Very disappointing to see you take this turn.

[joeysteele]

I am.more a socialist but also a realist.

Labour or no other Party is likely to win on a full socialist programme.
It was more presented in 2017 and 2019 beaten and rejected both times.

The only real socialist government the UK has had was in 1945 to 1951.
In my view only from talking to others, and researching that period.
That was likely the best government the UK had post war.

However the Country won't support it now.
The argument will need to be made and won when and if the time comes for it again.

Yes extreme left, if I consider there's an extreme right then there will inevitably be an extreme on the other side too.
The problem with MPs like Corbyn and Abbott etc.
Are the way they played out being thorns in the side of Labour leaders and even Prime Ministers

For a good while the left dominated the NEC and yes more extreme left candidates got elected to it
Which made the life of Labour leaders and PMs even that bit more difficult.

Abbott is now being ridiculous because MPs like her once hailed the NEC as almighty.
Yet she will not wait for the NEC to say if she can stand for election, before spouting negativity to the Party and it's leader.
From what she's said tonight, what on earth could she even want to stand for Labour again for.

Starmer has many faults but if she really had an ounce of thought for Labour, Labour supporters and those voters who may want a more compassionate and fairer government, then she'd hold back.

She looks and sounds ridiculous and despite ALL my reservation on Starmer.
If I was him, I'd be doing all I could to prevent her now standing as a Labour candidate.

She may have once been a trailblazer, however now she's just more like an embarrassment to the Party and even herself.

[arista]

[I am more a socialist but also a realist.]


That why you are great Joey

[The Slim Reaper]

I am.more a socialist but also a realist.

Labour or no other Party is likely to win on a full socialist programme.
It was more presented in 2017 and 2019 beaten and rejected both times.

The only real socialist government the UK has had was in 1945 to 1951.
In my view only from talking to others, and researching that period.
That was likely the best government the UK had post war.

However the Country won't support it now.
The argument will need to be made and won when and if the time comes for it again.

Yes extreme left, if I consider there's an extreme right then there will inevitably be an extreme on the other side too.
The problem with MPs like Corbyn and Abbott etc.
Are the way they played out being thorns in the side of Labour leaders and even Prime Ministers

For a good while the left dominated the NEC and yes more extreme left candidates got elected to it
Which made the life of Labour leaders and PMs even that bit more difficult.

Abbott is now being ridiculous because MPs like her once hailed the NEC as almighty.
Yet she will not wait for the NEC to say if she can stand for election, before spouting negativity to the Party and it's leader.
From what she's said tonight, what on earth could she even want to stand for Labour again for.

Starmer has many faults but if she really had an ounce of thought for Labour, Labour supporters and those voters who may want a more compassionate and fairer government, then she'd hold back.

She looks and sounds ridiculous and despite ALL my reservation on Starmer.
If I was him, I'd be doing all I could to prevent her now standing as a Labour candidate.

She may have once been a trailblazer, however now she's just more like an embarrassment to the Party and even herself.

That's a lot of text to say exactly the same thing you've already said, without any substance.

Jeremy got within a few thousand votes in a few seats to being able to form a government in 2017, and turned labour into the largest party in Europe with a massive cash surplus off the back of small donations made by citizens and members, not corporations. He energised the young to participate in democracy and politics for the first time. You also know that his own internal party was working to stop him from winning, where they purposely syphoned money away from winnable seats and ploughed it into already safe seats.

The 19 election was a brexit election, which Jeremy understood and was committed to getting the best deal he could - he was let down by Starmer who was pushing for a 2nd ref at the time, and to be honest, people like me let him down, too, as I believed in stopping brexit.

Just read what you've written again. You've turned into an authoritarian without realising, that forbids anyone in the party from holding different views and expressing them. You know ho Diane has been treated, and you're putting it all back on her. Absolutely nothing redeeming about this post of yours.

Her constituents have elected her to fight for them, and whatever anyone wants to say about her, she fights for justice, not something you can say about any of this lot you're going to bat for. Her constituents should be the ones to say they don't want her anymore, or with her years of service, she should be afforded the right to close the curtain on her own political career.

As for Socialism versus realism, I can sort of get behind that. However, you haven't turned into a realist, you've turned into a right of the party authoritarian. Also, it's ok to lose political elections on our principles, and we make the argument again, and try to convince more people. Labour isn't in any danger this election, so this false choice you've pretended to have in order to mask the fact you're all over the place, holds absolutely no weight.

Finally - who are the extreme left candidates that were elected, and what are their extreme views? I don't need a response to any of the rest of my reply other than this point. Let's see who you are calling extreme and for what reason.

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[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/05/29/20/85484639-13473367-image-a-3_1717011340786.jpg

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/05/29/20/85484641-13473367-image-a-2_1717011338820.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/05/29/20/85484643-13473367-image-a-1_1717011321711.jpg

[arista]

[Diane defies Keir: Furious Abbott tells huge crowd
she WILL stand to be an MP again despite
'Labour party wanting to exclude her'
as Starmer farce deepens with leader dodging
claims she was 'bullied']

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13473367/Defiant-Diane-Abbott-Hackney-stand-MP-not-intimidated.html

[The Slim Reaper]

Another one. Surprised Arista didn't start a thread already and I can't be arsed.

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Candidates liking tweets about the green party (before they were members of labour) is a crime, but folks who ran for other parties or want to join from tories is just a-ok.

[arista]

BBC News Text:
[Diana Abbott's comments at a rally in
east London on Wednesday lead several of the
front pages.
The Guardian says Ms Abbott promised to remain
as an MP for "as long as possible",
amid a row over whether Labour will allow
her to run for their party in her
Hackney North and Stoke Newington seat
at the election.]


https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/ae5d/live/a5317590-1e00-11ef-baa7-25d483663b8e.png.webp

[arista]

Starmer has now said Abbott can stand

As a Labour MP

[Zizu]

Starmer has now said Abbott can stand

As a Labour MP


As long as she doesn’t utter a single, solitary word over the coming weeks


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[The Slim Reaper]

Absolute jokers

[Liam-]

So is Starmer in charge of these decisions or not? Because through this entire farce we’ve had starmerites saying he had no involvement in it

[arista]

So is Starmer in charge of these decisions or not? Because through this entire farce we’ve had starmerites saying he had no involvement in it


His Group
gave him a whisper

[joeysteele]

I believe Angela Raynor has got this sorted.

Once I saw her intervention and Angela Raynor is on and influential on the NEC.
I felt things would move forward.

I still think too, that the NEC anyhow would have rubber stamped Abbott standing in any event.

[arista]

I believe Angela Raynor has got this sorted.

Once I saw her intervention and Angela Raynor is on and influential on the NEC.
I felt things would move forward.

I still think too, that the NEC anyhow would have rubber stamped Abbott standing in any event.


Of course her on Over Long interview with Beth
at SkyNewsHD

[Beso]

Have I got news for you should be decent tonight.

[Livia]

Diane Abbott is 70 years old with a "serious long-term health condition". Is she really the best person for the job?

[Beso]

She caught the grandeur didnt she?

[The Slim Reaper]

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[Beso]

One rule for arseholes.

[bots]

there is no upper age limit for working. There used to be, but then they stopped providing enough cash for many pensioners to live in reasonable comfort

Ultimately, it is up to the selection process and the voting public to decide if the person is up to the job

[arista]

Diane Abbott is 70 years old with a "serious long-term health condition". Is she really the best person for the job?

The Locals want her.

[Livia]

there is no upper age limit for working. There used to be, but then they stopped providing enough cash for many pensioners to live in reasonable comfort

Ultimately, it is up to the selection process and the voting public to decide if the person is up to the job

Yes, I realise, I was a political agent for a while. And I realise also there is no upper age.limit to working. However, on top of her age, she has a serious health condition. Apart from the fact I think she's an idiot, she doesn't seem like she's the candidate who can give 100%. Just my take, of course...

[Livia]

The Locals want her.

I know. What I can't understand is, why?

[arista]

I know. What I can't understand is, why?


Better the devil you know
type attitudes.

[bots]

Yes, I realise, I was a political agent for a while. And I realise also there is no upper age.limit to working. However, on top of her age, she has a serious health condition. Apart from the fact I think she's an idiot, she doesn't seem like she's the candidate who can give 100%. Just my take, of course...

yeah, i do agree. Did you watch Biden and Trump yesterday?

Trump looked like a broken man, he talked some absolute batcrap and was rambling like a fool for 45 mins. Biden did 45 seconds of prepared uninspiring monologue and was then asked a question and he looked like a rabbit in the headlights

Why are people voting for people not up to the job

[MTVN]

What is her health condition?

I noticed she was tremoring a lot when speaking the other day

[arista]

What is her health condition?

I noticed she was tremoring a lot when speaking the other day


Kept Secret

[bots]

What is her health condition?

I noticed she was tremoring a lot when speaking the other day

there are only 2 or 3 things that it could reasonably be, so i don't think it's any big secret

[Livia]

yeah, i do agree. Did you watch Biden and Trump yesterday?

Trump looked like a broken man, he talked some absolute batcrap and was rambling like a fool for 45 mins. Biden did 45 seconds of prepared uninspiring monologue and was then asked a question and he looked like a rabbit in the headlights

Why are people voting for people not up to the job

I did watch it, yes... but I watched it through my fingers. It was like watching a horrible car crash.

[Ammi]

What is her health condition?

I noticed she was tremoring a lot when speaking the other day

…so far as I know, she was diagnosed with type 2 Diabetes in 2015…which is something that can be very controllable so long as she’s balancing her work life to factor in the self care to do that…/…it’s very do-able, anyway…

[joeysteele]

…so far as I know, she was diagnosed with type 2 Diabetes in 2015…which is something that can be very controllable so long as she’s balancing her work life to factor in the self care to do that…/…it’s very do-able, anyway…

Yes Ammi she has diabetes, also though there possibly is other health issues.
Then she had the trauma with her son a while back.
Then of course the vile comments about her by that Con donor.

However, I'm left puzzled, after her activities this week it astounds me she wants to stand in this election again FOR Labour.

She knows the procedures of the Labour Party and the NEC likely better than anyone.
She was under suspension.
Once the investigation was ended and then the recommendations finalised later.

She was restored to the Labour whip with her MP status.
She knows full well that in a coming election she needs then to be reselected by her constituency.
Which also was done and in place.

So she knew, then as with ALL the other potential MPs and candidates the next stage is the NEC rubber stamps the candidates for the election.

However she's chosen to create an almighty fuss over the last few days.
Trashing the Labour Party for it's treatment of her and particularly Starmer too.

So in light of that, why she would then want to seek election as an MP to have Starmer as PM and Labour in government.
Is puzzling.
After her public outburst.

I actually do agree with Livia here, she unfortunately doesn't seem like she would give 100% for both personal and health reasons now.

[The Slim Reaper]

Loyalty to the party and it's leader is demanded, and Diane has shown that. Maybe she just feels she deserves to be treated like someone who has served for 37 years, and not as a political pawn for Starmers Stalinist purge of any dissenting voice.

Even Blair had dissenting voices to contend with, and he didn't cry about it constantly, because even Blair understood that labour should at least pretend to represent different voices.

[The Slim Reaper]

Why is this dude fit to be a lab candidate to the party faithful, but Diane isn't? Seems like a weird hear no evil, see no evil approach to what is actually happening, as opposed to what folks want to believe is happening.

Starmer was Mr. Reverse brexit in 2019, now look at who he wants to have on his side...

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[Ammi]

Loyalty to the party and it's leader is demanded, and Diane has shown that. Maybe she just feels she deserves to be treated like someone who has served for 37 years, and not as a political pawn for Starmers Stalinist purge of any dissenting voice.

Even Blair had dissenting voices to contend with, and he didn't cry about it constantly, because even Blair understood that labour should at least pretend to represent different voices.

…yeah, I do think that’s exactly it tbh…I really feel quite conflicted with Diane because I do feel that she should stand if that’s what she feels she’d like to do…but I also don’t want her to subjected to what social media and the public can be with her…in how they’ve been in the past at times…so yeah, very conflicted with our Diane…

[bots]

that's politics for you

[Ammi]

…it’s still a game for the boys and the ladies that the boys have approved to be on their team…:laugh:…

[The Slim Reaper]

…yeah, I do think that’s exactly it tbh…I really feel quite conflicted with Diane because I do feel that she should stand if that’s what she feels she’d like to do…but I also don’t want her to subjected to what social media and the public can be with her…in how they’ve been in the past at times…so yeah, very conflicted with our Diane…

She obviously has a tough skin to do what she's done for as long as she has, so if she feels up for it, it shouldn't be for anyone else to concern troll about her health.

With labour about to have an unassailable majority, we do need at least a few in the party unafraid to criticise the tory policies they have already vowed to continue.

[Ammi]

that's politics for you

…oh…I’m in the wrong thread, I’m off…I thought this was and A-Z thread…

[Ammi]

She obviously has a tough skin to do what she's done for as long as she has, so if she feels up for it, it shouldn't be for anyone else to concern troll about her health.

With labour about to have an unassailable majority, we do need at least a few in the party unafraid to criticise the tory policies they have already vowed to continue.

…yeah, I know…I don’t disagree and that’s part of why I feel conflicted…I’m not a medical person, it’s not for me to comment in her health etc…and yeah, she may have a ‘thick skin’ as you say but I still hate to see those cruel headlines and articles that can be written about her and we know the tabloids are relentless…but that’s a ‘me problem’ I realise that….she should stand if she feel that she wants to stand, I’m sure she knows that it’ll turn a spotlight on her that can be very unkind at times…

[arista]

Abbot is waiting until Tuesday
to hear from the NEC, before she announces
she is standing...........

Not taking Starmer's word?

Ref: ITV1HD Fridays London Local News

[Mystic Mock]

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I think it's more to do with her being close to Corbyn than it is about her skin colour.

Starmer has a vendetta against Corbyn from what it looks like to me.

[Mystic Mock]

yeah, i do agree. Did you watch Biden and Trump yesterday?

Trump looked like a broken man, he talked some absolute batcrap and was rambling like a fool for 45 mins. Biden did 45 seconds of prepared uninspiring monologue and was then asked a question and he looked like a rabbit in the headlights

Why are people voting for people not up to the job

Well in America, a lot of their voters didn't like the Democrats best candidate and voted for Trump instead.:laugh:

[arista]

She has just Stated she will be the Labour MP


No longer waiting for NEC to officially tell her on Tuesday


SkyNewsHD Live

[joeysteele]

The NEC DO have to rubber stamp ALL Labour candidates included in the list.

However it's a formality usually so of course she will be.

Quite frankly I'm sick of hearing about her.

[MTVN]

Diane in a forgiving mood

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/06/03/09/85640967-13487955-image-a-6_1717401952347.jpg

[The Slim Reaper]

I believe that's fake. Saw it discussed on x yesterday.

[MTVN]

If so they've fooled Politics Live as it was discussed on there this lunchtime, they said it was posted then deleted

[Gusto Brunt]

I haven't checked her age but she's been around since God was a child.

She's gotta be heading for 80.

Quit now and enjoy your retirement!!

[Crimson Dynamo]

If so they've fooled Politics Live as it was discussed on there this lunchtime, they said it was posted then deleted

and the Independent

[The Slim Reaper]

BBC aren't supposed to accept tweets without the time stamp/tweet information. Maybe they got it all sorted out in the end and it did turn out to be genuine as a guy from the BBC was part of the discussion I saw yesterday. I'll have a look to see if I can find it.

[The Slim Reaper]

Yup, turned out it was properly screen grabbed by someone else. Apologies.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GPGVC5YX0AArV3c?format=jpg&name=small

[joeysteele]

I haven't checked her age but she's been around since God was a child.

She's gotta be heading for 80.

Quit now and enjoy your retirement!!

She's 70 Gusto.
71 in September.

As for that tweet that was quickly taken down.
It's still not known if the tweet came from Abbott herself or one of her staff on her account.

Either way, I still don't see why on earth she even wants to fight an election for Labour with Starmer as leader.
So why be hypocritical and stand.

Honestly I'm fed up to the back teeth hearing about her now.
If I was in authority, I'd have the NEC block her standing.

She's more a liability than an asset , in MY view anyhow.

I'm.glad she's in a safe seat because I for one would refuse to go and leaflet or canvass for her.
Not a chance.

[Liam-]

You’re so fed up of hearing about her, you’re commenting on her multiple times a day when you could very easily stop and not interact with anything to do with her if she bothers you that much

[The Slim Reaper]

Luke Akehurst could probably do with commenting on, if we're looking for dodgy labour candidates. I can draw up a list of many other candidates being parachuted into safe seats out of fealty to Keir leader

[joeysteele]

You’re so fed up of hearing about her, you’re commenting on her multiple times a day when you could very easily stop and not interact with anything to do with her if she bothers you that much

I'll comment how I want to Liam.
Just as you do.
I don't need your permission !!!!

[joeysteele]

However definitely time for me to go off this thread.
Here's another starting again now too.

[Liam-]

You don’t need my permission, but it was a suggestion, if she bothers you so much don’t interact with anything to do with her, nobody is forcing you to listen about her or interact with things about her, you’re doing that yourself while claiming to be completely fed up with her, the normal thing to do in that situation would be to distance yourself from anything to do with her, rather than continue to rant about how much you hate her every chance you get

[Liam-]

Luke Akehurst could probably do with commenting on, if we're looking for dodgy labour candidates. I can draw up a list of many other candidates being parachuted into safe seats out of fealty to Keir leader

We’re not allowed to talk about how racist he is because we’ll get people calling us antisemites again :(

[The Slim Reaper]

You can say my name, you know. We sorted this out in PM joey. I'm entitled to post comments on the thread without you taking everything so personally..

[The Slim Reaper]

We’re not allowed to talk about how racist he is because we’ll get people calling us antisemites again :(

Accusing me of being an AS seemed to peak in 2019, so I'm used to it by now.

[joeysteele]

You don’t need my permission, but it was a suggestion, if she bothers you so much don’t interact with anything to do with her, nobody is forcing you to listen about her or interact with things about her, you’re doing that yourself while claiming to be completely fed up with her, the normal thing to do in that situation would be to distance yourself from anything to do with her, rather than continue to rant about how much you hate her every chance you get

Except you're wrong in that I don't hate Diane, never have

However I hate how she's gone on with this fuss over this week when she more than anyone else KNOWS the workings of the Labour Party and the NEC too.

Does your statement however apply to those who hate Starmer then as well.

Should they just avoid talking about him too.
If according to you I should as to Diane Abbott.???

Didn't realise it wasn't the mods who told people what to post, on whom and when or how much.
Must be a rule I've missed reading there somehow.

[Liam-]

Accusing me of being an AS seemed to peak in 2019, so I'm used to it by now.

Accusations of antisemitism have lost their potency now, especially on this hellhole, considering all you have to do to be accused of it is to not want Israel to kill anymore children

[Liam-]

Except you're wrong in that I don't hate Diane, never have

However I hate how she's gone on with this fuss over this week when she more than anyone else KNOWS the workings of the Labour Party and the NEC too.

Does your statement however apply to those who hate Starmer then as well.

Should they just avoid talking about him too.
If according to you I should as to Diane Abbott.???

Didn't realise it wasn't the mods who told people what to post, on whom and when or how much.
Must be a rule I've missed reading there somehow.

Yes, if someone was carrying on about Starmer, as you have been about Abbott, ranting about him while simultaneously claiming to be fed up of hearing about him, then yes, they should do exactly as I just suggested you should do, the same with the people who harp on about certain royals despite claiming to not be bothered by their existence

[joeysteele]

Yes, if someone was carrying on about Starmer, as you have been about Abbott, ranting about him while simultaneously claiming to be fed up of hearing about him, then yes, they should do exactly as I just suggested you should do, the same with the people who harp on about certain royals despite claiming to not be bothered by their existence

Then to avoid annoying you further.
I'll now leave this thread to you and others to say whatever YOU ALL wish, when and however too.

Have a good day.

[Liam-]

Well now you’re just reading things that arent there, cause where did I say you were annoying me? :joker:

[arista]

Yup, turned out it was properly screen grabbed by someone else. Apologies.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GPGVC5YX0AArV3c?format=jpg&name=small



Yes was on the News Today

She deleted it around 2 or 3 mins later


Was just shown on BBC1HD London News

[Gusto Brunt]

Anyone know if Abbott was ever in the running to be Labour Leader. :p

[Zizu]

Anyone know if Abbott was ever in the running to be Labour Leader. :p


Probably the closest she got was the time she was shag*ing Jeremy Corbyn … so she tried everything at her disposal


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[arista]

Today Radio 4 Comment


Labour looking into Abbott's comments about racism


[The Labour Party has said it is taking
"incredibly seriously" an interview
by Diane Abbott in which she stood by comments
she made about racism that led to a
year-long suspension from the Labour Party.

The veteran Labour MP was asked about
a letter she sent to the Observer in April 2023
in which she suggested people of colour experienced
racism in a different way to Jewish people,
Irish people and Travellers.

She withdrew her comments at the time
and apologised but was suspended from the party
and only re-admitted just before last year's
general election.

Asked by the BBC's James Naughtie if
she looked back on the incident with regret,
she said: "No, not at all."

She added: "Clearly, there must be a
difference between racism which is about colour
and other types of racism because you
can see a Traveller or a Jewish person
walking down the street, you don't know.

"You don't know unless you stop to speak
to them or you're in a meeting with them.

"But if you see a black person walking
down the street, you see straight away
that they're black.
They are different types of racism."]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwye24vjnn8o

[bots]

this just shows what a low intellect Abbot has. A jewish person can be easily identified in the right circumstances, a black person may also not be immediately identifiable.

Her definition of racism differs from everone elses