Breaking: Trump verdict in - GUILTY

[bots]

It will be announced any moment .... Apparently within 30 mins, the jury has to fill out some forms :laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

It's got the intensity of a Big Brother eviction.

[user104658]

It's got the intensity of a Big Brother eviction.

Maybe a 8/15 odds one :think:

[bots]

it's unlikely to be a hung jury, with such a quick verdict .... it will be either guilty or not guilty

[bots]

they have to fill out guilty or not guilty for each of the 34 charges :laugh:

[Alf]

It doesn't natter what the verdict is. He's not guilty.

But it's highly likely that he will be found guilty.

They won't put him in prison (yet) it's just going to be used for the media and Democrats to run their campaign off. They have nothing else.

[bots]

the evidence really pointed to Trump's guilt, so i guess you didn't actually listen to any of it Alf

[Crimson Dynamo]

Using the courts for political gain is chilling

[The Slim Reaper]

You find so many things chilling, LT, that I'm surprised you don't have to permanently walk around with a hot water bottle.

[Mystic Mock]

Maybe a 8/15 odds one :think:

Even the landslide evictions could be iconic tbf.

[Alf]

Gays for Trump


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[GiRTh]

You find so many things chilling, LT, that I'm surprised you don't have to permanently walk around with a hot water bottle.:laugh::laugh:

[user104658]

You find so many things chilling, LT, that I'm surprised you don't have to permanently walk around with a hot water bottle.

A wee dram keeps ye warm.

[GiRTh]

I think this is the weakest of the cases but Michael Cohen has been convicted of this very crime

[The Slim Reaper]

A wee dram keeps ye warm.

And

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[Cherie]

Perched

[The Slim Reaper]

I think this is the weakest of the cases but Michael Cohen has been convicted of this very crime

I agree with this, but you're right about Michael Cohen, and trump was only prevented from being involved at the time because the presidency protected him, which is a weird rule in itself.

[Crimson Dynamo]

You find so many things chilling, LT, that I'm surprised you don't have to permanently walk around with a hot water bottle.
I guess its easy as i dont have to go and hide for months after posting false bullshit and getting exposed

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[bots]

GUILTY of the first count

[GiRTh]

:dance::dance::dance::dance:

[Alf]

Guilty its in

[bots]

Guilty on all 34 counts

[Zizu]

So presumably he will just appeal now .. and in a few years get a fine which he won’t pay .


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[GiRTh]

I agree with this, but you're right about Michael Cohen, and trump was only prevented from being involved at the time because the presidency protected him, which is a weird rule in itself.Yep very weird rule. He knows he's gotta win in November to make sure others dont stick too. Its gonna be great when he loses and tries to fight it.

[bots]

So presumably he will just appeal now .. and in a few years get a fine which he won’t pay .


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the criminal sentence begins as soon as the sentence given.

[Cherie]

Think we should all have a wee dram to celebrate

[GiRTh]

Theres gonna be bloodshed when his supporters 'Take action'.

[The Slim Reaper]

I guess its easy as i dont have to go and hide for months after posting false bullshit and getting exposed

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Strike a nerve, my brother? Why you consider staying away from this place and having a life, to be hiding, I'll never understand, but maybe TIBB is your life, in which case it would make sense why you feel this way. I mean it's sad, but at least it's coherent.

Weren't you hiding at the beginning of the year, using your logic? If that's the case, it might be time to move out from the glass house you're currently residing in.

[The Slim Reaper]

Yep very weird rule. He knows he's gotta win in November to make sure others dont stick too. Its gonna be great when he loses and tries to fight it.

The only problem is that he's going to win the election. Bidens war mongering will haemorrhage enough black and young voters to almost guarantee a trump victory.

[Alf]

Yep very weird rule. He knows he's gotta win in November to make sure others dont stick too. Its gonna be great when he loses and tries to fight it.If he loses, nothing will happen. It's all about stopping him from winning.

If he wins, then they'll put him in prison before he gets in. Deliberately to cause civil unrest

[bots]

Convicted felon Donald J Trump

[Mystic Mock]

Guilty on all 34 counts

Really?:shocked:

I thought that he'd be found not guilty of at least one charge.:laugh:

[The Slim Reaper]

Convicted felon Donald J Trump

And also found to be a rapist in civil court.

About to be president :laugh:

[GiRTh]

The only problem is that he's going to win the election. Bidens war mongering will haemorrhage enough black and young voters to almost guarantee a trump victory.I havent even entertained the idea of a 2nd Trump term. Surely not. :nono:

[Liam-]

His angry cult are going to kill people over this

[Mystic Mock]

The only problem is that he's going to win the election. Bidens war mongering will haemorrhage enough black and young voters to almost guarantee a trump victory.

People tend to normally stick with their leaders during times of war.

George W. Bush being probably the prime example.

[Alf]

I havent even entertained the idea of a 2nd Trump term. Surely not. :nono:It's nailed on. Trump wins in a landslide on November 5th

Remember, remember the 5th of November.

[Swan]

Trying to stay out of politics in general, but this is pretty huge. In a nutshell, unbiased either way, how fcuked is he now?

[Alf]

His angry cult are going to kill people over thisNah, they're just gonna vote for him.

[Alf]

Sentencing set for July 11th

[Alf]

The RNC convention was set for July 15th.

It's all about the steal (again)

Last time it was a pandemic.

[Liam-]

Nearly 20% of republicans said they wouldn’t vote for him if he were convicted, if that number carries over and the independents swing democrat, which they did in the last election, Biden will win

[The Slim Reaper]

People tend to normally stick with their leaders during times of war.

George W. Bush being probably the prime example.

That was a crazy time. Dems and R's were united in their desire for revenge. That would never happen again, unless there was maybe another attack on America.

The media is also vastly different from those times, and is now based purely on a trump grievance model.

[Alf]

Nearly 20% of republicans said they wouldn’t vote for him if he were convicted, if that number carries over and the independents swing democrat, which they did in the last election, Biden will winI bet you got that information from Trump's enemies, right? Or did you get it personally from 20 percent of Republicans?

[The Slim Reaper]

Trying to stay out of politics in general, but this is pretty huge. In a nutshell, unbiased either way, how fcuked is he now?

Doesn't really make any difference at this point.

[Swan]

Doesn't really make any difference at this point.

I still don't think he'll ever see inside of prison cell for all this, but not looking very good for him is it!


America though, as always :joker:

[user104658]

It's nailed on. Trump wins in a landslide on November 5th

Remember, remember the 5th of November.

I'll be betting on a Trump win again this time, have to say. Currently sat at 6/5 but I'll take anything over evens. I'm also a fair but more cashed up than I was 8 years ago so might make it a juicy one :joker:.

[Mystic Mock]

That was a crazy time. Dems and R's were united in their desire for revenge. That would never happen again, unless there was maybe another attack on America.

The media is also vastly different from those times, and is now based purely on a trump grievance model.

It's true that times are different, and I do think that the election will be really close between the two of them.

I'm just thinking that Human psychology is to be scared of change when your country could go to war any minute, it's why I think that Biden has the slight advantage.

[GiRTh]

The only problem is that he's going to win the election. Bidens war mongering will haemorrhage enough black and young voters to almost guarantee a trump victory.It's nailed on. Trump wins in a landslide on November 5th

Remember, remember the 5th of November.
This is a gloomy picture.

[Alf]

The precident has now been set though. They set it.

There's no stopping Trump from putting his Political rivals all in prison now. What they gonna say? What can they say?

[joeysteele]

Good result but he'll no doubt turn it to his advantage somehow.

I'm surprised it was guilty on ALL charges however.

[The Slim Reaper]

I still don't think he'll ever see inside of prison cell for all this, but not looking very good for him is it!


America though, as always :joker:

This one isn't the prison case.

Stolen documents and insurrection are the ones, but Trump appointed judge has already made sure that the docs one won't be held before the election, so prison is only on the table for the insurrectionist case.

[bots]

This one isn't the prison case.

Stolen documents and insurrection are the ones, but Trump appointed judge has already made sure that the docs one won't be held before the election, so prison is only on the table for the insurrectionist case.

the insurrection case is in the hands of his biddies on the supreme court, so nothing will happen with that either

i think the maximum sentence is 4 years in prison for this, so its not impossible that he actually gets jailed for 6 months

[The Slim Reaper]

the insurrection case is in the hands of his biddies on the supreme court, so nothing will happen with that either

i think the maximum sentence is 4 years in prison for this, so its not impossible that he actually gets jailed for 6 months

I agree with that. Not impossible, but not really likely, even if as already pointed out, Cohen did 3 months for the other part of the crime

[Swan]

This one isn't the prison case.

Stolen documents and insurrection are the ones, but Trump appointed judge has already made sure that the docs one won't be held before the election, so prison is only on the table for the insurrectionist case.

Ah ok, i see. Not taken any notice of politics in months, im better for it. I wasn't unhappy the Lib Dems took T-Wells from the Torries earlier in the month though.

[Alf]

Thoughts on the verdict from the Great one


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[The Slim Reaper]

It's true that times are different, and I do think that the election will be really close between the two of them.

I'm just thinking that Human psychology is to be scared of change when your country could go to war any minute, it's why I think that Biden has the slight advantage.

America isn't going to war, and even war this time won't unite Americans, only a lust for revenge against the A-rabs can unite them again. War without an attack on the US doesn't change anything in the current political climate.

[bots]

there is more chance of civil unrest than anything else. All the way to Jan 6 and after

[Mystic Mock]

America isn't going to war, and even war this time won't unite Americans, only a lust for revenge against the A-rabs can unite them again. War without an attack on the US doesn't change anything in the current political climate.

You never know if they'll get dragged further into the Russia & Ukraine war.

Or knowing the Americans, start up a war with a Middle Eastern Country.:laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Andrew Tate

@Cobratate
Those who understand The Matrix know that ”Justice” has always been rigged.

But now they just admitted it to the world.

[The Slim Reaper]

You never know if they'll get dragged further into the Russia & Ukraine war.

Or knowing the Americans, start up a war with a Middle Eastern Country.:laugh:

Republicans love Putin, so a war with Russia would only further divide the US.

[The Slim Reaper]

Andrew Tate

@Cobratate
Those who understand The Matrix know that ”Justice” has always been rigged.

But now they just admitted it to the world.

He's a dumb persons idea of a smart person.

[Cherie]

Andrew Tate

@Cobratate
Those who understand The Matrix know that ”Justice” has always been rigged.

But now they just admitted it to the world.

bloody hell, LT...Andrew Tate :nono:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Piers Morgan
@piersmorgan
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This is a sad, shameful and ridiculous day for America. To drag a former President, who is running for President again, through criminal courts over something so trivial feels a massive overreach & an incredibly divisive and obviously politically partisan action.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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The Fundraising Pages for the Campaign of several Prominent Republican Politicians,
including Former President Donald Trump are currently either Down and/or Struggling to
Load following a Massive Spike in Traffic as well as Donations as a Response to the
Announcement tonight of Trump’s Guilt Verdict in New York City.

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[GiRTh]

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Your reminder that not a single one of Epstein's clients have been charged, tried, or convicted.

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[Crimson Dynamo]

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Vivek Ramaswamy
@VivekGRamaswamy
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58m
The prosecutor is a politician who promised to nail Trump.

The judge’s daughter is a Democrat operative who literally *raised $$ from the trial* while her father presided over it.

The jury instructions said they didn’t have to agree on the crime to convict.

This will backfire.

[Mystic Mock]

Republicans love Putin, so a war with Russia would only further divide the US.

I mean that's true tbf.

Tbh I'm just not sure how the US Election will go.

[Mystic Mock]

He's a dumb persons idea of a smart person.

:joker:

[The Slim Reaper]

Rumours suggest that Keir will now parachute Trump into a safe labour seat.

[bots]

he is going to go to the republican convention 3 or 4 days after being sentenced as a convicted felon. Is it possible that DeSantis will jump in and try and take the nomination?

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Alf]

Have you just woke up Arista?

[arista]

Have you just woke up Arista?


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[arista]

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[Redrose]

Gays for Trump


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He sounds like Richard Simmons.

[Maru]

It's not going to change who votes for him. More might even vote for him now because it'll be funnier.

[Redrose]

It's nailed on. Trump wins in a landslide on November 5th

Remember, remember the 5th of November.

Trumps punishment will be nothing like Guy Fawkes.

[Redrose]

Sentencing set for July 11th



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[Redrose]

Sentencing set for July 11th

July is gonna be a good month. Alec Baldwins trial on involuntary manslaughter will start on the 9th and the trial the next day.

[Mystic Mock]

he is going to go to the republican convention 3 or 4 days after being sentenced as a convicted felon. Is it possible that DeSantis will jump in and try and take the nomination?

I don't know if I should root for Trump out of those two, I mean DeSantis banned Assassination Classroom, which was a huge "wtf!" Moment.:laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

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He got found guilty of a crime before either Clinton and George W. Bush.

Impressive.

[Redrose]

[QUOTE=Alf;11458481]Thoughts on the verdict from the Great one


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He's still calling Stormy a liar by claiming he's innocent. Why didn't he do a polygraph test like she did in her C5 documentary which she past. I've just ordered a copy of her book full disclosure.

[Ammi]

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[Ammi]

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…Mother Teresa could not have beaten those charges…neither could Mother Trump..

[Mystic Mock]

He had four years as President to try and change it, why didn't he?

Was he also at one time apart of this so-called corruption?

[Ammi]

…mind you…(…I don’t watch BGT, but…)…I was noticing on my ‘top trending’ page that BGT results got the top trending spot above the Trump verdict…that’s put him in his place…

[Zizu]

July is gonna be a good month. Alec Baldwins trial on involuntary manslaughter will start on the 9th and the trial the next day.


Hopefully some LIVE televised trials/courtroom dramas !!


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[Redrose]

[QUOTE=Zizu;11458605]Hopefully some LIVE televised trials/courtroom dramas !!


BBC said this morning that Trump is unlikely to face any prison. Legal analyst and personal injury attorney Miguel Custodio says Alec faces the same sentence as Hannah if found guilty. Prosecutors will frame their case around Baldwins role as a producer actually involves him in all aspects of the production. Knowing that Gutierrez-Reed was relatively inexperienced and overwhelmed decided to not bring anyone else in, or to make any other personnel changes. He pressed the crew to work quickly.

[Nicky91]

still gonna easily win elections in November though

[Gusto Brunt]

This so called conviction is an utter disgrace.

I mean it clearly is so obvious this is an orchestrated shameful way of trying to get Trump out of the Presidential race.

The USA has a nerve to call for democracy and they slag off Russia and China but they are proving America is no better.

I hope when Trump is returned to office in November, he jails all those rotten people responsible for this shameful day day in America.

[Livia]

I agree with Gusto. Wouldn't want to be any of those prosecutors when he's voted back in.

[Liam-]

The videos of his lunatic supporters having breakdowns outside the courtroom are delicious

[Mystic Mock]

…mind you…(…I don’t watch BGT, but…)…I was noticing on my ‘top trending’ page that BGT results got the top trending spot above the Trump verdict…that’s put him in his place…

People have got their priorities in order.:dance:

[Beso]

The videos of his lunatic supporters having breakdowns outside the courtroom are delicious

This is the dangerous world we live in today. A worl where people are accepting of tyranny by its rulers as long as it effects the opposing stances.

[Mystic Mock]

The videos of his lunatic supporters having breakdowns outside the courtroom are delicious

"He had better be ****ing innocent."

Well that got the court quaking in their boots.:joker:

[Mystic Mock]

This is the dangerous world we live in today. A worl where people are accepting of tyranny by its rulers as long as it effects the opposing stances.

I do agree with you to a degree.

Having said that, Trump has got a fair few court cases going against him, he is on a one man mission to have more charges brought to him than Man City at this point.:joker:

[user104658]

I agree with Gusto. Wouldn't want to be any of those prosecutors when he's voted back in.

Indeed. But this is a clear indication of why it shouldn't be possible to be elected into a position of power like this after conviction.

[Zizu]

Has anyone ever done what Trump did ?

After being found guilty of all charges he just stands up and claims that the whole process is a nonsense or a sham !!

Isn’t that contempt of court or something ?!?


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[Zizu]

Someone said on Sky that he won’t be jailed and when he’s president he will make all these charges go away !?!?!


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[The Slim Reaper]

One potential hiccup, is that now he's actually a convicted criminal, there are states that have laws against running for office as a cc, and it's not just a hypothetical anymore.

I'm 60/40 his supreme court will move those laws out of the way, but it's definitely something to keep an eye on.

[Gusto Brunt]

I agree with Gusto. Wouldn't want to be any of those prosecutors when he's voted back in.

:joker:

[user104658]

Someone said on Sky that he won’t be jailed and when he’s president he will make all these charges go away !?!?!


It's like 80% of the reason he's in politics at all and always has been. Trump will avoid jail and other meaningful consequences until the day he dies - if he hadn't entered politics and had remained just in private enterprise, his situation would be entirely different.

[Oliver_W]

Does what he did usually carry a custodial sentence?

I'm not saying that paying a hooker to keep her trap shut using money which wasn't his own and then covering it up isn't serious, but it hardly makes him a danger to the public.

[user104658]

Does what he did usually carry a custodial sentence?

I'm not saying that paying a hooker to keep her trap shut using money which wasn't his own and then covering it up isn't serious, but it hardly makes him a danger to the public.

The hush money charges specifically possibly not. Tax evasion and fraud however, can come with hefty custodial sentences in the US.

[arista]

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[The Slim Reaper]

Does what he did usually carry a custodial sentence?

I'm not saying that paying a hooker to keep her trap shut using money which wasn't his own and then covering it up isn't serious, but it hardly makes him a danger to the public.

It was done to hide her from the electorate which is federal election interference, and that does carry a custodial sentence. The lawyer that helped him commit the crime served 3 months in prison for the same offence.

[bots]

It was done to hide her from the electorate which is federal election interference, and that does carry a custodial sentence. The lawyer that helped him commit the crime served 3 months in prison for the same offence.

and he pleaded guilty, so would get off lighter. Also, Cohen didn't threaten everyone associated with the case, including the judge who decides his sentence and his daughter :laugh:

I've seen some opinions, that he has to stick him in prison, or he highlights that any president can do the same again in the future and expect no consequences. He is basically reinforcing trumps claim to immunity.

So he may get sentenced to a year.

Others are saying that he has lost the plot so much, that the best thing they can do is put him in front of the public as much as they can so he hangs himself with his words.

The simple answer is that they just don't know what to do for the best.

Oh, the other side is that trumps team will immediately put in an appeal so that any prison term would be kicked way into the future, but if trump says something stupid while he is out, he could be recalled immediately to prison pending appeal

It's a crazy time

[The Slim Reaper]

and he pleaded guilty, so would get off lighter. Also, Cohen didn't threaten everyone associated with the case, including the judge who decides his sentence and his daughter :laugh:

I've seen some opinions, that he has to stick him in prison, or he highlights that any president can do the same again in the future and expect no consequences. He is basically reinforcing trumps claim to immunity.

So he may get sentenced to a year.

Others are saying that he has lost the plot so much, that the best thing they can do is put him in front of the public as much as they can so he hangs himself with his words.

The simple answer is that they just don't know what to do for the best

The other side of that coin, is that Trumps mouth, with the gloves off and nothing to lose in a prison, would be potentially dangerous for the leaking of further classified information. He'd have to almost be in solitary confinement, and even as much as I don't like Trump, that's not how humans have evolved to live and would actually be cruel. Although it is often used as a way to protect prisoners, so I suppose the argument could be that it was being done to protect the secrets of the US.

[bots]

my opinion is that everyone in america is well aware of what type of person Trump is. If they go ahead and choose him as president, then they knew exactly what they were doing. The situation is nothing like it was in 2016 when he was a controversial celebrity

[user104658]

The other side of that coin, is that Trumps mouth, with the gloves off and nothing to lose in a prison, would be potentially dangerous for the leaking of further classified information. He'd have to almost be in solitary confinement, and even as much as I don't like Trump, that's not how humans have evolved to live and would actually be cruel. Although it is often used as a way to protect prisoners, so I suppose the argument could be that it was being done to protect the secrets of the US.

In theory, they could have a special little unit full of people with classified information and state secrets, and they can all spill them to each other but none of them ever get to speak to anyone outside the unit again. :omgno: imagine being a fly on the wall in there...

[Oliver_W]

my opinion is that everyone in america is well aware of what type of person Trump is. If they go ahead and choose him as president, then they knew exactly what they were doing. The situation is nothing like it was in 2016 when he was a controversial celebrity

Never give people too much credit.

[user104658]

The more realistic solution IMO if he did get a custodial sentence (that was likely to be life-long) would be just to let him do it in the comfort of one of his many homes, probs one with a little golf course, and tell him that he can chill out, watch telly and play golf with his mouth shut or go to prison.

He'll probably try to spill some secrets on his death bed anyway but TBH he's an unreliable witness so :shrug:. The people who want to believe him will believe him, everyone else will take anything he has to say with a pinch of salt. Even if there's evidence either way. The world is great that way.

[bots]

Never give people too much credit.

thats advocating an authoritarian regime, which is what trump wants to do :joker:

[user104658]

my opinion is that everyone in america is well aware of what type of person Trump is. If they go ahead and choose him as president, then they knew exactly what they were doing. The situation is nothing like it was in 2016 when he was a controversial celebrity

Honestly though if anything his cult of personality has grown significantly since 2016 - though possibly more in intensity than scope. I'd imagine some of the more moderate Republicans who voted for him in 2016 would struggle to vote for him again now. But you never know. As I said... 6/5 is tempting enough to bet on a win.

[bots]

Honestly though if anything his cult of personality has grown significantly since 2016 - though possibly more in intensity than scope. I'd imagine some of the more moderate Republicans who voted for him in 2016 would struggle to vote for him again now. But you never know. As I said... 6/5 is tempting enough to bet on a win.

i can't remember the odds i got in 2016, i do know i ended up with a couple of hundred quid for a tiny stake :laugh:

The way these things play out is complicated. They reckon that 23% of the public wont vote for trump now he is convicted. Granted some of them just wont vote at all and some may vote for biden, but that is country wide, in the swing states it may be completely different. Also, not every swing state is the same. They all have individual peculiarities


I'm going to call it now. No matter who wins the election, the other side is going to contest the result. The time of the dems saying let democracy take it's course will be over, because they will have lost democracy with a trump win. I foresee a violent end to it all. It's just heading straight down that path

[user104658]

i can't remember the odds i got in 2016, i do know i ended up with a couple of hundred quid for a tiny stake :laugh:

The way these things play out is complicated. They reckon that 23% of the public wont vote for trump now he is convicted. Granted some of them just wont vote at all and some may vote for biden, but that is country wide, in the swing states it may be completely different. Also, not every swing state is the same. They all have individual peculiarities


I'm going to call it now. No matter who wins the election, the other side is going to contest the result. The time of the dems saying let democracy take it's course will be over, because they will have lost democracy with a trump win. I foresee a violent end to it all. It's just heading straight down that path

I got 5/1, £50 on £300 back :flutter:. I thought it was a lot of money, which is crazy to look back on, I guess it must have been a good 8 years :think:.

[arista]

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[Liam-]

Only about 30% of the Republican Party are die hard maga cultists as it is, the more sensible republicans voted against him in 2020, I can’t imagine him now being a convicted felon would make them vote for him again now

[user104658]

Only about 30% of the Republican Party are die hard maga cultists as it is, the more sensible republicans voted against him in 2020, I can’t imagine him now being a convicted felon would make them vote for him again now

I'd agree but you have to balance that against Biden being... if you look at it objectively... somewhere between a joke and terrifying. There's just at this point no denying that he ain't playing with a full deck any more. I don't think he's "senile" but his faculties are massively reduced... people weren't fully aware of that in 2020. He's far too old to do the job. The whole situation is a mess.

[The Slim Reaper]

I'd agree but you have to balance that against Biden being... if you look at it objectively... somewhere between a joke and terrifying. There's just at this point no denying that he ain't playing with a full deck any more. I don't think he's "senile" but his faculties are massively reduced... people weren't fully aware of that in 2020. He's far too old to do the job. The whole situation is a mess.

People will hold their noses at his senility, but I think Gaza is much the bigger issue. His path to victory is always through the young, and PoC. He's screwed the pooch with both of them.

[bots]

The dems just don't know what to do against Trump. If they take the high ground, they effectively disengage from the argument. Trump can come out with something new and obscene every day, and the dems will scream with outrage and the public say oh there goes trump again being trump. The public largely don't care. The dems are now saying trump said the n word 25 years ago .... i mean, wtf .... do they honestly think chasing that down will win them an election?

I saw Biden at some campaign event yesterday, and he looked old. He doesn't plaster on the make up and dye his hair ..... and he looks the age that he is 80+.

Trump goes on stage, fluffs his words, talks crap, but he has sun tan make up and dyed hair. Perception is everything

The dems should have won this election without trying, but it should have been with a different candidate. Simple

[user104658]

People will hold their noses at his senility, but I think Gaza is much the bigger issue. His path to victory is always through the young, and PoC. He's screwed the pooch with both of them.

What are their alternatives in the US though? It's not like Trump is falling over himself to support Palestinian children. I suppose turnout could be an issue.

[user104658]

The dems just don't know what to do against Trump. If they take the high ground, they effectively disengage from the argument. Trump can come out with something new and obscene every day, and the dems will scream with outrage and the public say oh there goes trump again being trump. The public largely don't care. The dems are now saying trump said the n word 25 years ago .... i mean, wtf .... do they honestly think chasing that down will win them an election?

I saw Biden at some campaign event yesterday, and he looked old. He doesn't plaster on the make up and dye his hair ..... and he looks the age that he is 80+.

Trump goes on stage, fluffs his words, talks crap, but he has sun tan make up and dyed hair. Perception is everything

The dems should have won this election without trying, but it should have been with a different candidate. Simple

Trump has definitely started to decline in his public appearances too - but he's where Biden was 4 years ago (unsurprisingly, as he is coincidentally 4 years younger). Biden always had his fluff-ups but they're noticeably increasing. There was "plausible deniability" in 2020 that a lot of it was just his speech impediment etc. but not so much at this point, he gets cleary and obviously confused.

[The Slim Reaper]

What are their alternatives in the US though? It's not like Trump is falling over himself to support Palestinian children. I suppose turnout could be an issue.

The alternative is not to vote at all. Trump has come out and said he'll crush the campus protesters on his first day in office, but I think Bidens optics over trumps bluster is always more shocking and is reality.

I have no worries that trump will be able to get more voters than he got last time, but US elections are weird. Hilary lost her election by a total of 25k votes across 3 or 4 states. it doesn't take a lot to happen for those margins to be in play again. That's without understanding that MAGA have been trying to get themselves in influential positions when it comes to election supervision, and signing them off.

I could be completely wrong, but I just don't see Biden winning at this point in time.

[arista]

TRUMP now Live

All 3 News Channels


Talking about Illegals
Crazy Biden Taxes

Biden getting China to make his cars

[joeysteele]

Good grief
He's going on like a madman.
Really frightening in part to think of him as President again.

[bots]

The alternative is not to vote at all. Trump has come out and said he'll crush the campus protesters on his first day in office, but I think Bidens optics over trumps bluster is always more shocking and is reality.

I have no worries that trump will be able to get more voters than he got last time, but US elections are weird. Hilary lost her election by a total of 25k votes across 3 or 4 states. it doesn't take a lot to happen for those margins to be in play again. That's without understanding that MAGA have been trying to get themselves in influential positions when it comes to election supervision, and signing them off.

I could be completely wrong, but I just don't see Biden winning at this point in time.


A lot of the reason Hillary didn't win, was because people simply didn't like her, and she was way ahead in the polls, so people just didn't bother voting. As you say, it doesn't take much change at swing states to actually win the election. Let's also not forget the election interference :laugh:

So, this time round, i actually think its a good thing that the polls are close, because it forces people out to vote, and bidens vote pool should be much larger than trumps, meaning he should win .... but will i put a bet on it? If i'm betting any way, it will be for a Biden win

[The Slim Reaper]

A lot of the reason Hillary didn't win, was because people simply didn't like her, and she was way ahead in the polls, so people just didn't bother voting. As you say, it doesn't take much change at swing states to actually win the election. Let's also not forget the election interference :laugh:

So, this time round, i actually think its a good thing that the polls are close, because it forces people out to vote, and bidens vote pool should be much larger than trumps, meaning he should win .... but will i put a bet on it? If i'm betting any way, it will be for a Biden win

Quick point about vote pools and US elections. They always come down to a few votes in a few states. The fact Biden had 8 million more voters last time is an irrelevance. It's about voting pools in very specific counties and cities and there just isn't a lot of room to play with.

I'm not sure what the demographics are in those states, and I can't be arsed to look, so it may mean that Biden losing young and PoC coastal or city voters won't have any impact at all on the races that matter, or it could just completely wipe his chances off the (electoral) map.

[arista]

Good grief
He's going on like a madman.
Really frightening in part to think of him as President again.


No, He is Talking to the USA Side that wants him
as the Next President.


I do hope Newsnight BBC2HD 35mins
does not waste the whole show on Trump Again

Last night I was Fast Forwarding it
but it was ALL about Trump? THE whole BBC show was Trump

I would have liked 10mins on the General Election, Joey

[The Slim Reaper]

No He is Talking to the USA Sode that wants him
as the Next President.


I do hope Newsnight BBC2HD 35mins
does not waste the whole show on Trump

Last night I was Fast Forwarding it
but it was ALL about Trump? THE whole BBC show was Trump

I would have liked 10mins on the General Election, Joey

Is your love affair with Trump beginning to wane? I can't imagine many times when you would have said you wanted less trump on your TV.

Next up we'll have Alf telling us that Q may have been making it up for sh1ts and giggles.

[arista]

Is your love affair with Trump beginning to wane? I can't imagine many times when you would have said you wanted less trump on your TV.

Next up we'll have Alf telling us that Q may have been making it up for sh1ts and giggles.


No Slim

But I want New News

Not Bloody repeats

New Debates Live.

BBC2 Newsnight - can not update me
The General Election should have been on last nights 35mins



Like Now BBC news have left Trump
gone to their poxy reporter

The other 2 News letting him Speak Live
which I prefer - All uncut

[Crimson Dynamo]

TRUMP just now:

"We raised a record of $39,000,000 in 10 hours."

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GO6uLXiWgAEpLbH?format=jpg&name=small

[bots]

I'm sure trump did collect a lot yesterday, but, the biden campaign has much more money, and already has infrastructure in place that the gop hasn't even begun yet.

What Trump is ignoring is that the gop have to fight for congress all over the country too, not just the presidential election and lawyers fees

[Crimson Dynamo]

Throwback:

Bill Clinton accuser Paula Jones shows off her $1,000,000 cheque she received from Bill Clinton after he settled out of court over her sexual harassment claims.

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[The Slim Reaper]

I don't know the circumstances behind the Clinton story, but she doesn't seem very hidden, in the same way Trump tried to hide Daniels and McDougal. Paying off people is not a crime. Paying off people to sway an election is definitely a crime.

[Kate!]

Just watched Trump spouting garbage about appealing all his guilty verdicts. Why does the orange cretin get airtime? Cannot stand him.

[Liam-]

I'm sure trump did collect a lot yesterday, but, the biden campaign has much more money, and already has infrastructure in place that the gop hasn't even begun yet.

What Trump is ignoring is that the gop have to fight for congress all over the country too, not just the presidential election and lawyers fees

I think congress and senate races are going to annihilate the republicans, they’ve already lost the majority of the special races over the past year, they massively underperformed at the midterms and they’re the races the democrat fundraisers/campaigners are focusing on, if Biden were to lose the presidency, which I don’t think he will, I think the dems will still easily win both the senate and congress

[user104658]

Just watched Trump spouting garbage about appealing all his guilty verdicts. Why does the orange cretin get airtime? Cannot stand him.

Your British champ Farage quite likes old Trump, Kate!

[joeysteele]

Your British champ Farage quite likes old Trump, Kate!

Oh Farage is a strong supporter of Trump SB.
He's planning it was said to go to the States to help canvass a win for him later in the year.

I can't bear Trump at all.

[bots]

Farage has been offered a place in the Trump administration if he wins, thats one of the reasons farage isn't standing as a reform candidate

[Alf]

Is your love affair with Trump beginning to wane? I can't imagine many times when you would have said you wanted less trump on your TV.

Next up we'll have Alf telling us that Q may have been making it up for sh1ts and giggles.Q has got everything correct so far.

Q is the gospel.

[Beso]

Missed this..

Lol, hes some man. He should have killed her like the rest of them do.

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/dd3f/live/727a9490-1f9c-11ef-baa7-25d483663b8e.jpg.webp

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

For Slim

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GO7bXNJW8AETSz0?format=jpg&name=small

[Mystic Mock]

Q has got everything correct so far.

Q is the gospel.

Q had a good Music channel back in the 00's tbf.

[Nicky91]

haters keep hating, and Donnie the Legend keeps slaying


100% of the votes i predict in november for Donnie :smug: against senile genocide joe

[Zizu]

The Trump fundraising machine has received $40 million in donations SINCE the guilty verdicts !


Madness


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[DrunkerThanMoses]

The Trump fundraising machine has received $40 million in donations SINCE the guilty verdicts !


Madness


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Yet you can bet its the same people probably whinging they have no money because of Biden being president :laugh:

[bots]

Many americans are completely tuned out from politics and i don't blame them

[bots]

Some new research is showing that the dems calling Trump a convicted felon is alienating the ethnic vote. They are actually putting off their voter base :laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

haters keep hating, and Donnie the Legend keeps slaying


100% of the votes i predict in november for Donnie :smug: against senile genocide joe

Now that would be rigged.:laugh:

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-1983e374-f786-40ec-ac92-9b6e5cc32f36.png

[bots]

the rhetoric coming out from the gop disciples and trump is ramping up pretty strongly. Violence is a breath away

[Alf]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-1983e374-f786-40ec-ac92-9b6e5cc32f36.pngDoesn't she owe Trump money? Lot's of it.

No wonder she wants him jailed.

[Mystic Mock]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-1983e374-f786-40ec-ac92-9b6e5cc32f36.png

Is Stormy a pawn in the Democrats game?

Will she be able to whip up the Americans into a frenzy against Trump?

Will she be able to approach the Republican opposition in a loving and tender way?

Tune in to find out.:dance:

[Mystic Mock]

Doesn't she owe Trump money? Lot's of it.

No wonder she wants him jailed.

Maybe she wants him gagged... Ballgagged.:shrug:

[arista]

Trump now on FoxNewsHD online only
talking with 3 Young Journalists
In a nice room away from the studio

[The Slim Reaper]

What's the carpet like in the nice room arista ?

[arista]

What's the carpet like in the nice room arista ?

Expensive.

It was recorded yesterday

[The Slim Reaper]

Expensive.

It was recorded yesterday

Were the curtains any good arista?

[arista]

Yes

They have done 90mins

so FoxNewsHD is playing clips all day.

[arista]

CNN HD USA on UK TV

Inside Politics
already using Trump Clips from FoxNewsHD

show 40 seconds,
then their panel debate it

[arista]

Robert De Niro
played someone like Trump back in 1987

[arista]

Trump has joined TikTok

[bots]

Vh-gpyqf-Yw

[arista]

Great Video

[Crimson Dynamo]

£200 million raised since the Democrats political show trial

[Livia]

I wonder if Stormy Daniels is allowed to keep the hush money?

[user104658]

I wonder if Stormy Daniels is allowed to keep the hush money?

Probably, because it was off the books, which is the crux of the whole issue, and why he should have done it as a proper out of court settlement with enforceable conditions in the first place. Silly Old Troomp.

[Livia]

Strangest kind of non-exclusive agreement I've ever heard of. A lot like the Michael Jackson accusers who took money for their silence, then published.

[user104658]

Strangest kind of non-exclusive agreement I've ever heard of. A lot like the Michael Jackson accusers who took money for their silence, then published.

Yes MJ (allegedly allegedly) paid off quite a few accusers under-the-table in a similar way and some of those are probably the ones who still came forward. The most famous examples (from the Netflix doc) hadn't been paid anything. And I don't think the ones who are known to have received official out of court settlements after a case was raised have said anything - at least not before his death.

As far as I understand it for non-court "hush money" there's likely to be a personal contract involved, but it's not automatically enforceable like an actual court settlement would be? So if a contract does exist, then Trump could sue her for the money, but it would involve a new civil court action (and the contract standing up to scrutiny).

Trump MIGHT be petty enough to go through with that, but the caveat is (and why in MJ's case neither him nor his estate would ever pursue it), in order to raise a court action to enforce the terms of a personal settlement contract, you have to go on record admitting that the contract exists in the first place, which (in the eyes of the public) is always going to be tantamount to an admission of guilt. Makes the whole cherade pointless.

[arista]

Stormy
has stated if Trump wins the Election
she may move to the UK
as she wants to stay alive