Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt's daughter files to remove father's name…

[Ammi]

The daughter of Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt has filed paperwork to legally change her name.

Shiloh Jolie-Pitt submitted the petition in Los Angeles County Superior Court on 27 May, the day she turned 18, to change her name to Shiloh Jolie, the Los Angeles Times reported.

Shiloh, who performs as a voice actor in the film Kung Fu Panda 3, is the third-eldest of the former couple's six children.

She is the first to file a petition for a legal name change, but some of the others have dropped the public use of their father's last name in recent years, the paper added.

The siblings also include Maddox, Pax, Zahara and twins Knox and Vivienne.

Jolie filed for divorce from Pitt in September 2016, but the details of the divorce have not yet been finalised.

The actors, who married in August 2014, have filed lawsuits against each other in recent years stemming from disagreements over their shared business ventures and property, including a winery in France.

Jolie accused Pitt of being "emotionally and physically abusive" towards the actress and her children, according to court filings from October 2022.

She claimed a series of violent incidents took place during a plane journey in September 2016, which ultimately led to her filing for divorce.

The allegations, which Pitt strongly denied at the time, were originally made during a custody battle but emerged in a cross-complaint by Jolie as part of the former couple's ongoing legal dispute.

While the claims were made at the time of the divorce, they were contained in a redacted FBI report.

At the time a representative for Pitt, who was not authorised to speak publicly, strongly denied Jolie's allegations and called them "another rehash that only harms the family".

A judge gave Pitt 50-50 custody of the children after a closed-door trial in which the allegations were aired, but an appeals court subsequently disqualified the private judge for not disclosing possible conflicts of interest after a motion from Jolie, nullifying the decision.

Their divorce case has not yet been finalised and custody and financial issues remain unresolved.


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/angelina-jolie-brad-pitts-daughter-140300435.html

[Swan]

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[arista]

[daughter of Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt has filed
paperwork to legally change her name.]

Little Madame

[Niamh.]

[daughter of Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt has filed
paperwork to legally change her name.]

Little MadameShe's an adult, she can change her name if she likes. "Little Madame" so patronising

[Kate!]

She's an adult, she can change her name if she likes. "Little Madame" so patronising

Yep, if there's bad blood between them then it stands to reason she'll want to drop his name. Fair play to her.

[Niamh.]

Yep, if there's bad blood between them then it stands to reason she'll want to drop his name. Fair play to her.I feel like if she wanted to drop the Jolie rather than the Pitt there'd be no issue from some people.....

[bots]

it makes sense if the rest of the family are dropping his name too

[Mystic Mock]

It doesn't show a good sign of his character if his own children want to disown him the first chance that they get.

[user104658]

It doesn't show a good sign of his character if his own children want to disown him the first chance that they get.

Indeed - Jennifer Aniston dodged a bullet there it seems.

[Mystic Mock]

Indeed - Jennifer Aniston dodged a bullet there it seems.

Did she just wanna be friends?

But seriously, it looks like you're right about her dodging a bullet.

[arista]

She's an adult, she can change her name if she likes. "Little Madame" so patronising


Bollocks
Rich 18-year-old

[Niamh.]

Bollocks

Rich 18-year-oldThat makes no sense to what i posted but OK...

[user104658]

Then you have The Smiths - both so messy that the kids seem to be going full Madonna and dropping their surnames entirely :umm2:.

[Niamh.]

Then you have The Smiths - both so messy that the kids seem to be going full Madonna and dropping their surnames entirely :umm2:.Wouldn't blame them tbh

[Crimson Dynamo]

Why has she done this?

[user104658]

Why has she done this?

Brad hasn't been a very nice boy post-separation, Angelina Jolie Pitt went back to Jolie so it's not surprising if the kids want their names to match if they're not a fan of Dad.

Funny story: This applied to a kid at my high school, but his mother (whose surname had been Colins) had named him Colin. His siblings all changed their names, but he had to keep his, because otherwise he'd have been Colin Colins. The fool made the mistake of telling this story at school, so obviously, was then known as "Colin-Colin - so good they named him twice" for the rest of high school.

[Vanessa]

Let's see if they take his name back for the inheritance :smug:

[Niamh.]

Let's see if they take his name back for the inheritance :smug:I'm sure they'll get plenty from their mother. ..

[user104658]

Let's see if they take his name back for the inheritance :smug:

#1 having the same name isn't a condition of an inheritance, nor is it a guarantee of one :think:

#2 While Pitt's fortune is somewhat larger, Angelina Jolie is independently worth something like $150 million. I don't think any of them actually need his money. So whether or not he's petty enough to cut his offspring out of his will is down to Brad. If he is, then that's just further confirmation that they're making the right choice by distancing themselves from him.

Good people and good parents would be sad and regretful if something happened that made their children want less to do with them. The ones who get bitter/angry about it? Yeah... that's the reason your kids don't visit :idc:.

[Crimson Dynamo]

All seems very petty


Looks like the mum has poisoned the mind of the lassie

not nice

[user104658]

All seems very petty


Looks like the mum has poisoned the mind of the lassie

not nice

Not "parental alienation" guff :facepalm:. Straight out of the sad-dads Men's Rights Activist handbook.

[Livia]

I have family experience of a daughter changing her name to hurt her father. The mother was a defining factor. And trying to hurt him really worked. Wouldn't wish it on anyone.

[user104658]

Both her and the kids have said that he was emotionally and at times physically abusive but of course carry on, poor Sad Brad. I mean we had a fair number on here adamantly defending Johnny Depp so it's entirely unsurprising.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I have family experience of a daughter changing her name to hurt her father. The mother was a defining factor. And trying to hurt him really worked. Wouldn't wish it on anyone.

Yes

spiteful

[user104658]

Yes

spiteful

Why do you imagine they;d be spiteful towards him? It'll be entirely random and not his fault I'm sure. Maybe she's "just evil" - like the rest of 'em eh LT.

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[Crimson Dynamo]

Even her own Father Jon Voight had a go at her when she posted pro Hamas stuff on Insta

I would not believe a word she says

[Niamh.]

Both her and the kids have said that he was emotionally and at times physically abusive but of course carry on, poor Sad Brad. I mean we had a fair number on here adamantly defending Johnny Depp so it's entirely unsurprising.People loved Angelina when she was with Brad and made excuses as to why it was Jennifer Anistons fault why Brad cheated on her, now Angelina is the devil too because she's not with Brad anymore :rolleyes:

[user104658]

Even her own Father Jon Voight had a go at her when she posted pro Hamas stuff on Insta

I would not believe a word she says

Oh well if another bloke has said so then that'll be right won't it, clearly a demon, she's made her kids imagine that their dad wasn't nice to them - that crone! Probably put a hex bag under their pillow or something. Poor Brad. Maybe you should invite him along to the nearest Men's Shed for a couple of beers and a firm handjob.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Oh well if another bloke has said so then that'll be right won't it, clearly a demon, she's made her kids imagine that their dad wasn't nice to them - that crone! Probably put a hex bag under their pillow or something. Poor Brad. Maybe you should invite him along to the nearest Men's Shed for a couple of beers and a firm handjob.

She made allegations that Brad denied

bitter lady

[user104658]

She made allegations that Brad denied

bitter lady

Oh I didn't know he had denied them, that makes all the difference. I've compared pictures from 2020 to now and his nose doesn't look any longer, and his pants as far as I can tell are not even slightly on fire, so that concludes the matter. Poor Brad. Justice for Brad. Maybe he can dress up as Batman and climb a monument or something? You could help him pick out his costume (or he could borrow yours?)

[Jordan.]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

Yep the mum really has done a number on the kids to get at Brad

nasty

[Livia]

None of us know what happened inside someone else's relationship... Not sure why some people are pretending they do.

[user104658]

None of us know what happened inside someone else's relationship... Not sure why some people are pretending they do.

Here's who I'm willing to listen to when adult offspring are talking about their relationship/relationship issues/lack of relationship with their parents. It's an extensive list.

1) The adult offspring. They will have their reasons.


That's the list. I'm not interested in a parent's banal, defensive bull**** boo-hoo views on why their kids don't want anything to do with them :idc:. No one would have been able to "turn them against him" if he had a good, solid, close relationship with them prior to the relationship breakdown. She was not a small child.

You're not entitled to a relationship with your adult children any more than you're entitled to a relationship with anyone else. You build and maintain one with communication, trust and respect. He did not provide that, and he lost them (emotionally). Maybe he can win them back if he genuinely tries? WHo knows, that's their business. Getting defensive and making excuses isn't a good starting place.

To be fair to him - I actually don't know what he's had to say about it for himself, just the defensiveness being projected onto the situation by other people making assumptions about "parental alienation by a nasty woman". Sad, and so so predictable.

[joeysteele]

It really is up to her.

It's sad if there's any rift with her Father.

I don't think many years ago I'd have expected this at all as to Brad Pitt and his children.

[Crimson Dynamo]

or

she is a lefty and he is a white older male


case closed

[user104658]

or

she is a lefty and he is a white older male


case closed

Whatever you need to tell yourself to get through the evening, LT.

[Livia]

Here's who I'm willing to listen to when adult offspring are talking about their relationship/relationship issues/lack of relationship with their parents. It's an extensive list.

1) The adult offspring. They will have their reasons.


That's the list. I'm not interested in a parent's banal, defensive bull**** boo-hoo views on why their kids don't want anything to do with them :idc:. No one would have been able to "turn them against him" if he had a good, solid, close relationship with them prior to the relationship breakdown. She was not a small child.

You're not entitled to a relationship with your adult children any more than you're entitled to a relationship with anyone else. You build and maintain one with communication, trust and respect. He did not provide that, and he lost them (emotionally). Maybe he can win them back if he genuinely tries? WHo knows, that's their business. Getting defensive and making excuses isn't a good starting place.

To be fair to him - I actually don't know what he's had to say about it for himself, just the defensiveness being projected onto the situation by other people making assumptions about "parental alienation by a nasty woman". Sad, and so so predictable.

Hope it never happens to you. from my experience you won't see it coming...

[user104658]

Hope it never happens to you. from my experience you won't see it coming...The thing is, unless you're talking about yourself (which I doubt you are), all you can be talking about is what someone else has told you about their situation. That they didn't see it coming. And yeah I get that if it's someone close to you, you want to take them at their word, and probably trust them.

Personally? I don't know anyone this has happened to who didn't **** around and find out. Took for granted that their kids would accept poor or low-effort behaviour from them and would still stay in their lives, and then get real sad about it all of a sudden when it turns out not to be the case. OF COURSE they're going to tell other people that they didn't and couldn't possibly have seen it coming.

When people cut out family they invariably have a good reason for doing so. It's really that simple. People don't abandon good family relationships over night on a whim.

[Crimson Dynamo]

When people cut out family they invariably have a good reason for doing so. It's really that simple. People don't abandon good family relationships over night on a whim.

Hi, my name is Meghan

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[user104658]

Hi, my name is Meghan


Yes we already know you fully believe it happens. Like I said LT it's OK, whatever you need to believe to get you through the evening. They just suddenly turned on their doting dads. It was completely random and unexpected. There is literally no explanation for it :worry:. Or I guess there could be one possible explanation: maybe it's all the fault of some other evil woman doing random things with no reason or motivation, just to be cruel to some poor innocent chap.

Imaging actually living in that headspace :joker: jfc.

The cognitive leaps people make for self-preservation are truly astounding.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes we already know you fully believe it happens. Like I said LT it's OK, whatever you need to believe to get you through the evening. They just suddenly turned on their doting dads. It was completely random and unexpected. There is literally no explanation for it :worry:. Or I guess there could be one possible explanation: maybe it's all the fault of some other evil woman doing random things with no reason or motivation, just to be cruel to some poor innocent chap.

Imaging actually living in that headspace :joker: jfc.

The cognitive leaps people make for self-preservation are truly astounding.
and her sister and her in laws

see a pattern?

[Zizu]

Let's see if they take his name back for the inheritance :smug:


Yes .. very short sighted !!

He’s one of the top 3 earners in cinema apparently


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[Livia]

The thing is, unless you're talking about yourself (which I doubt you are), all you can be talking about is what someone else has told you about their situation. That they didn't see it coming. And yeah I get that if it's someone close to you, you want to take them at their word, and probably trust them.

Personally? I don't know anyone this has happened to who didn't **** around and find out. Took for granted that their kids would accept poor or low-effort behaviour from them and would still stay in their lives, and then get real sad about it all of a sudden when it turns out not to be the case. OF COURSE they're going to tell other people that they didn't and couldn't possibly have seen it coming.

When people cut out family they invariably have a good reason for doing so. It's really that simple. People don't abandon good family relationships over night on a whim.

Someone close in my family. We all saw it play out... It was harrowing. Doesn't make me an expert but it shows me it can happen. And you can't really say that people don't abandoned family relations on a whim when I know they sometimes do. Not just their father but their aunts, uncles, cousins, grandparents...

[Zizu]

Yes .. very short sighted !!

He’s one of the top 3 earners in cinema apparently


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Hopefully he excludes them all from his inheritance


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[user104658]

and her sister and her in laws

see a pattern?

Yes. Some people are willing to accept poor behaviour from their family out of a misguided sense of duty and family loyalty, and are more sensible and hold the relationships they choose to keep in their lives to a higher standard.

Like I said, some parents seem to believe they're "owed" an ongoing relationship with their kids (and grandkids) and that it's immoral for people to refuse to put up with being insulted and mistreated and cut contact. And they get really huffy when they find out that's not actually true, and that they can rightly be told to **** off. Boo hoo.

[user104658]

Someone close in my family. We all saw it play out...

Unless you lived with them in their house, and were in every room where every conversation took place, no you did not. You heard 2nd hand information from them about how it played out, and chose to believe one side over the other. It cannot possibly be any other way. NO ONE knows the full truth about what has been said or done behind closed doors. Again, you just (understandably) trust the account of events given by the person close to you, and saw the effect it had on them. You don't "know". No one "knows" about other people's relationships. It's purely observational.

Doesn't make me an expert but it shows me it can happen. And you can't really say that people don't abandoned family relations on a whim when I know they sometimes do. Not just their father but their aunts, uncles, cousins, grandparents...

They don't abandon close, well maintained family relationships for no reason. They might sometimes abandon relationships with people who (wrongly) assume that family relationships are guaranteed and therefore low-maintenance. Those are the people who are "shocked" when the relationships break down, because they didn't do anything "wrong", while failing to factor in that they also didn't do anything "right". They just assumed all was well.

[AnnieK]

No-one knows what has happened in this case on either side. Brad could have been an arse,Angelina could have poisoned the kids minds. All I know is its very sad when parental / child relationships break down and I hope in time it can be resolved.

[Zizu]

No-one knows what has happened in this case on either side. Brad could have been an arse,Angelina could have poisoned the kids minds. All I know is its very sad when parental / child relationships break down and I hope in time it can be resolved.


Yes that’s my stance on this situation


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[user104658]

No-one knows what has happened in this case on either side. Brad could have been an arse,Angelina could have poisoned the kids minds. All I know is its very sad when parental / child relationships break down and I hope in time it can be resolved.

TBH we don't even know that the relationship has totally broken down, only that she wants to change her name. She might have a myriad of reasons, she might have talked to Brad Pitt about it, and he might be fine with it. They're a celebrity family... "names" have other considerations and reasonings. Shiloh Jolie is a better name than Shiloh Jolie-Pitt. :shrug:

[user104658]

Angelina could have poisoned the kids minds.

I do fundamentally disagree with this notion though; it's nonsense that's peddled as something that happens "commonly" when it is NOT common even with young kids, and also not EASY with older kids, and it's trotted out constantly by abusers. Shouldn't even be given the time of day as a suggestion unless there is clear, direct evidence of manipulation or lies.

If an older child or young adult says they have their reasons, they have their reasons, and those reasons are not "mum says he's a bad man". Misogynistic claptrap.

[Niamh.]

Yeah, these kids were teenagers when they separated, if they had a good relationship with their dad, they're not going to lie and sabotage that because their mother told them to. Why would they?

[Livia]

Unless you lived with them in their house, and were in every room where every conversation took place, no you did not. You heard 2nd hand information from them about how it played out, and chose to believe one side over the other. It cannot possibly be any other way. NO ONE knows the full truth about what has been said or done behind closed doors. Again, you just (understandably) trust the account of events given by the person close to you, and saw the effect it had on them. You don't "know". No one "knows" about other people's relationships. It's purely observational.



They don't abandon close, well maintained family relationships for no reason. They might sometimes abandon relationships with people who (wrongly) assume that family relationships are guaranteed and therefore low-maintenance. Those are the people who are "shocked" when the relationships break down, because they didn't do anything "wrong", while failing to factor in that they also didn't do anything "right". They just assumed all was well.


Again... Yes, they sometimes do. There were 2 daughters... One totally cut off her father and broke his heart. The other has stuck by her Dad through thick and thin and had it not been for her, he'd be dead now. People come in all guises, both girls were teenagers.

But I can see this is just another subject where you see you as right and me as wrong so I'll leave it there.

[Niamh.]

Also Brad Pitt is a recovering alcoholic(from his own mouth), the plane incident story involved a drunken Brad Pitt, it makes a lot more sense that those kids had an alcoholic father who became verbally abusive while drunk than they're just lying about how awful he was when really he was a great dad because their mom told them too. I'm not sure it's even possible to maintain an honest and healthy relationship with an alcoholic

[Crimson Dynamo]

What a lovely thing to do to a fragile man with mental health and dependency issues

turn the kids against him and make them change their names

callous

[Livia]

It's not as if this stuff doesn't happen and every mother is a saint and would never turn the kids against their father. Look how many men fight to see their kids and the mother won't let them.

[Niamh.]

What a lovely thing to do to a fragile man with mental health and dependency issues

turn the kids against him and make them change their names

callousBrad could stab someone and somehow it would be a woman somewheres fault [emoji23]

[Crimson Dynamo]

It was inevitable that Jolie would alienate the children against their own nice

father. She hated her own father, Jon Voight, and legally changed her surname

to drop his.


As Americans say, Ms Jolie has "issues". Just like Markle and Heard

unhinged with hate

[Niamh.]

She doesn't speak to her father because he was barely in her life growing up, her mother raised her singlehandedly, maybe this story of yours is saying more about these American men than American women [emoji848]

[Niamh.]

Also, I believe they do speak to each other now anyway

[Crimson Dynamo]

Also, I believe they do speak to each other now anyway

that is good for the poisoned children at least

[Crimson Dynamo]

She doesn't speak to her father because he was barely in her life growing up, her mother raised her singlehandedly, maybe this story of yours is saying more about these American men than American women [emoji848]

he gave her the opportunity to live the lavish lifestyle she enjoys

unlike Brad who did not have the privilege she so gleefully enjoyed

ungrateful woman

[Niamh.]

that is good for the poisoned children at least

She must be a master manipulator to convince so many people. The hoops people will jump to make it the woman's fault :laugh:

[Niamh.]

he gave her the opportunity to live the lavish lifestyle she enjoys

unlike Brad who did not have the privilege she so gleefully enjoyed

ungrateful woman

Rich people have feelings too LT

[Crimson Dynamo]

you dont need a hoop when you have young vulnerable minds around you 24-7

just an evil vindictive mind

tick

[Livia]

you dont need a hoop when you have young vulnerable minds around you 24-7

just an evil vindictive mind

tick

Women can't ever be vindictive, can they...?

[Niamh.]

you dont need a hoop when you have young vulnerable minds around you 24-7

just an evil vindictive mind

tickDidn't Brad have joint custody of them though? 24/7? :think:

[AnnieK]

I do fundamentally disagree with this notion though; it's nonsense that's peddled as something that happens "commonly" when it is NOT common even with young kids, and also not EASY with older kids, and it's trotted out constantly by abusers. Shouldn't even be given the time of day as a suggestion unless there is clear, direct evidence of manipulation or lies.

If an older child or young adult says they have their reasons, they have their reasons, and those reasons are not "mum says he's a bad man". Misogynistic claptrap.

I didn't say she had....I said that whatever has gone on, no-one but those directly involved will know. It's a sad state of affairs when any relationship breaks down but moreso when a child is failed by a parent (whichever parent it may be)

[Crimson Dynamo]

Didn't Brad have joint custody of them though? 24/7? :think:

weekend Wendy visits

[Niamh.]

weekend Wendy visits

Just looking it up there, he was originally awarded joint custody but upon review it was visitation with a therapist present, the courts obviously found there to be truth in what the kids say I should imagine

[Crimson Dynamo]

Just looking it up there, he was originally awarded joint custody but upon review it was visitation with a therapist present, the courts obviously found there to be truth in what the kids say I should imagine

Brad never stood a chance with a venomous mother with history

"therapist"

oh yeah sure

[Niamh.]

Brad never stood a chance with a venomous mother with history



"therapist"



oh yeah surePoor cheater Brad

[Crimson Dynamo]

"Enter Angelina, who came with a wild image (kissing her brother on the lips at
the Oscars, reportedly wearing a vial of her partner’s blood around her neck, :umm2:
etc) and described herself as having had a ‘dark and dangerous’ youth. She was
twice divorced when she met Brad — having been hitched first to British actor
Jonny Lee Miller, of Trainspotting fame, and then Billy Bob Thornton, aka Bad
Santa and the sleazy American President from Love Actually. During her
marriage to Billy Bob, the couple adopted a child, Maddox, from Cambodia in
March 2002, but abruptly separated three months later."


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[Niamh.]

She was divorced at least.....

[Crimson Dynamo]

She was divorced at least.....

yes she seems fond of that procedure..

[AnnieK]

As does he to be fair.....he had a failed marriage and engagement behind him before Angelina

[Niamh.]

yes she seems fond of that procedure..Brad 2, Angelina 3 not too dissimilar :shrug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Brad 2, Angelina 3 not too dissimilar :shrug:

that is an away win by anyone's standards

Also Jolie is not the star Brad is so less pressure

maybe if she had been a better wife rather than chase a faded film career??

[Jordan.]

Angelina having the divorced single dads in their feelings

:joker:

[Livia]

Revelling in the misery of others... Cute.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Revelling in the misery of others... Cute.

its just a culture war for that type of person

there is no feelings or compassion

just a game

:sad:

[user104658]

It's fine to have feelings but no ones getting compassion when they've clearly turned their hurt into a big steaming pile of bitterness and misogyny. You'd be a lot happier if you just let it go to be honest LT. I don't imagine any of this feels very nice, at the end of the day, and that's a shame, but it's not a free pass to lash out.

[Ammi]

Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt's Daughter Shiloh Granted Name Change, Will Go by Shiloh Jolie…

The 18-year-old filed to drop "Pitt" from her last name on her birthday in May

Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt's daughter Shiloh has been granted her name change.

The 18-year-old, who was born Shiloh Nouvel Jolie-Pitt, will now legally go by Shiloh Jolie, PEOPLE has confirmed. The teenager first filed to drop "Pitt" from her last name on her 18th birthday in May.

Alongside Shiloh, Jolie, 49, and Pitt, 60, share five other kids together — Maddox, 22, Zahara, 19, Pax, 20, Knox, 15, and Vivienne, 15.

In July, Shiloh's petition to change her name was postponed after a court delayed her hearing due to an incomplete background check.

…full article…

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/entertainment/angelina-jolie-brad-pitts-daughter-185928560.html

[arista]

Why has she done this?


As it goes in the Press


Little Madame she is

[arista]

[In July, Shiloh's petition to change her name
was postponed after a court delayed her hearing due
to an incomplete background check.]

Typical California

[Maru]

Angelina had a contentious relationship with her father to say the least. Sad to see she is transferring that cycle of bitterness to her children. I'm sure they have their issues with both their parents. I don't think they would've changed names and gone on video airing dirty laundry without having been exposed to the vitriol in their own home. That doesn't absolve Pitt of any wrongdoing by the way. He is just as responsible.