David Tenant hopes a woman shuts up and ceases to exist

[Crimson Dynamo]

Because she does not agree with his outdated woke views that have been given to him by his wife!

He really is a horrible man. More hate and ammo to nutters to attack MPS :bored:

During his speech at the British "LGBT Awards", David Tennant told Tory
politician Kemi Badenoch to ‘shut up’ and hopes she does not exist tomorrow

https://i.cbc.ca/1.7243563.1719233260!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_780/david-tennant-wearing-stevie-s-shirt-cropped.jpg

The former Doctor Who star was honoured at the awards ceremony for
his support of the trans community (wearing a t-shirt), winning the accolade for celebrity ally.

Kemi is Minister for Women

https://metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/SEI_202211848-bf2b.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&zoom=1&resize=540%2C360

In the name of kindness and supporting the vulnerable, white man says he
hopes black woman soon no longer exists

https://metro.co.uk/2024/06/21/strictly-star-robin-windsor-honoured-posthumously-2024-british-lgbt-awards-21083694/

[arista]

Getting Nasty.

[smudgie]

He is entitled to his views.
He wishes her no harm but would like her to shut up…well that will probably happen on the 4 th July.:shrug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

He is entitled to his views.
He wishes her no harm but would like her to shut up…well that will probably happen on the 4 th July.:shrug:

yet she is not entitled to hers

brilliant

[smudgie]

yet she is not entitled to hers

brilliant

Nah, of course she is entitled to hers.
He just doesn’t want to hear them.:laugh:

[bots]

you fail to mention that she is an extreme right winger

[Liam-]

There’s a lot of people that would like that odious woman to shut up

[Crimson Dynamo]

you fail to mention that she is an extreme right winger

No she is a Conservative so very similar to Labour in most big issues

Slim will tell you this

[Nicky91]

good on you David :clap1:

you are entitled to your own opinions, we live in a free world, and not in russia

[Crimson Dynamo]

'I will not be silenced by ... a rich, lefty, white male celebrity blinded by
ideology': Kemi Badenoch lashed out at 'bigot' ex-Dr Who faded actor David
Tennant after he uses LGBT award speech to wish trans-critic minister 'didn't
exist anymore'

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/06/25/16/86549535-13568065-image-a-20_1719328886281.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/06/25/16/86550223-13568065-image-a-23_1719329409027.jpg
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/06/25/16/86550225-13568065-image-a-25_1719329420657.jpg

:clap1:

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.hellomagazine.com/healthandbeauty/mother-and-baby/700962/david-georgia-tennant-photos-children-pride-month-celebrations/

[Glenn.]

https://www.hellomagazine.com/healthandbeauty/mother-and-baby/700962/david-georgia-tennant-photos-children-pride-month-celebrations/

Good for them! Raising decent tolerant kids!

[Liam-]

Parents showing love, understanding and acceptance to their children, the way it should be!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Parents showing love, understanding and acceptance to their children, the way it should be!

Its the very opposite and its sad to see.

[smudgie]

Parents showing love, understanding and acceptance to their children, the way it should be!

Hell yeah.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Andrew Neil
@afneil


This is what happens when actors don’t have script. He had actually blurted
out that he wanted a particular black woman no longer to exist. His brain
then triggered how bad that sounded. So he fell back on “I don’t wish her ill
[he just had]” she should “just shut up”. Not really a great fallback. These
actors should stick to memorising lines others write for them. Using their own
is too often too embarrassing.



He’d joins a long line and history of men who just want women to shut up.
You’d think such Neolithic attitudes would have died out by now. Clearly not.
The right-on captured audience even cheers him.
:umm2:

[Livia]

Sad to see he's getting any support at all after wishing the women's minister ceases to exist. Terrible 'right-on' old luvvie.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sad to see he's getting any support at all after wishing the women's minister ceases to exist. Terrible 'right-on' old luvvie.

He bet the house on gender ideology from 4 years ago

Sadly for him science and common sense have prevailed and he has been left high and dry on a small island of dated ignorance and bigotry

All he can do now is come out swinging

Its sad but now he is in a very tiny minority of the far left that is dying

a weak man

[Livia]

He bet the house on gender ideology from 4 years ago

Sadly for him science and common sense have prevailed and he has been left high and dry on a small island of dated ignorance and bigotry

All he can do now is come out swinging

Its sad but now he is in a very tiny minority of the far left that is dying

a weak man

I wonder if he'll get abused online for his trans views the same way JK Rowling gets abused for supporting women?

[Cherie]

Andrew Neil
@afneil


This is what happens when actors don’t have script. He had actually blurted
out that he wanted a particular black woman no longer to exist. His brain
then triggered how bad that sounded. So he fell back on “I don’t wish her ill
[he just had]” she should “just shut up”. Not really a great fallback. These
actors should stick to memorising lines others write for them. Using their own
is too often too embarrassing.



He’d joins a long line and history of men who just want women to shut up.
You’d think such Neolithic attitudes would have died out by now. Clearly not.
The right-on captured audience even cheers him.
:umm2:

.

[Cherie]

I wonder if he'll get abused online for his trans views the same way JK Rowling gets abused for supporting women?

Will he be vilified like that guy who wanted Diane Abbott shot.


shot...cease to exist....both the same end game

both black women.


lets see, shall we?

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think his wife rules him, he is angry about his son and it came out in that one blurted out statement. Freudian

[Ray.]

He's a creep.

And I hated him as the Doctor lol. Petty, inconsequential thing to bring up, I know, but I had to say it.

[Mystic Mock]

He is entitled to his views.
He wishes her no harm but would like her to shut up…well that will probably happen on the 4 th July.:shrug:

I agree.

I've heard people say far worse about the three current leaders than this.

[Mystic Mock]

'I will not be silenced by ... a rich, lefty, white male celebrity blinded by
ideology': Kemi Badenoch lashed out at 'bigot' ex-Dr Who faded actor David
Tennant after he uses LGBT award speech to wish trans-critic minister 'didn't
exist anymore'

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/06/25/16/86549535-13568065-image-a-20_1719328886281.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/06/25/16/86550223-13568065-image-a-23_1719329409027.jpg
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/06/25/16/86550225-13568065-image-a-25_1719329420657.jpg

:clap1:

What's David Tennant's skin colour got to do with this?

If Kemi's shtick is to play the BLM card, then it won't wash with me, and I hope that it doesn't wash with Tennant, or anyone for that matter.

[Mystic Mock]

Will he be vilified like that guy who wanted Diane Abbott shot.


shot...cease to exist....both the same end game

both black women.


lets see, shall we?

David Tennant saying that he wants Kemi to "cease to exist in Politics" is not the same as a lunatic wanting Diane Abbott to be shot to death.

[Crimson Dynamo]

What's David Tennant's skin colour got to do with this?

If Kemi's shtick is to play the BLM card, then it won't wash with me, and I hope that it doesn't wash with Tennant, or anyone for that matter.

Mock get a grip what on earth are you on about?

Stop talking s,hit

[Mystic Mock]

Mock get a grip what on earth are you on about?

Stop talking s,hit

Read her tweet.

[Cherie]

David Tennant saying that he wants Kemi to "cease to exist in Politics" is not the same as a lunatic wanting Diane Abbott to be shot to death.

Mock please listen to the speech on the link above, you have added 'in politics' yourself

he did not say that, he said that he wanted her to cease to exist....end of

I have added the link so you can have a listen

https://metro.co.uk/2024/06/21/stric...ards-21083694/

[Mystic Mock]

Mock please listen to the speech on the link above, you have added 'in politics' yourself

he did not say that, he said that he wanted her to cease to exist....end of

I have added the link so you can have a listen

https://metro.co.uk/2024/06/21/stric...ards-21083694/

The link to the article has been removed I think, so I haven't been able to listen to his comments.

If he did mean it the way that some of you think that he meant it then he needs to be arrested for inciting violence.

I however think that he meant that he wanted her to "cease to exist in politics" but he has worded it poorly.

But tbf I could be reading him wrong.

[Cherie]

Because she does not agree with his outdated woke views that have been given to him by his wife!

He really is a horrible man. More hate and ammo to nutters to attack MPS :bored:

During his speech at the British "LGBT Awards", David Tennant told Tory
politician Kemi Badenoch to ‘shut up’ and hopes she does not exist tomorrow

https://i.cbc.ca/1.7243563.1719233260!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_780/david-tennant-wearing-stevie-s-shirt-cropped.jpg

The former Doctor Who star was honoured at the awards ceremony for
his support of the trans community (wearing a t-shirt), winning the accolade for celebrity ally.

Kemi is Minister for Women

https://metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/SEI_202211848-bf2b.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&zoom=1&resize=540%2C360

In the name of kindness and supporting the vulnerable, white man says he
hopes black woman soon no longer exists

https://metro.co.uk/2024/06/21/strictly-star-robin-windsor-honoured-posthumously-2024-british-lgbt-awards-21083694/

If you go into the link here you can listen to him Mock

We could make excuses for the other guy as well saying he didnt mean that Diane Abbott should be shot but that he worded it poorly...these people need to engage brain before speaking, you could also argue the Tory Donor was in a room of 'friends' and not speaking publically like Tennant, women are enough danger from extreme trans activists without this guy popping up and saying we should cease to exist because we wont roll over and accept penises in womens spaces and sport

[Mystic Mock]

If you go into the link here you can listen to him Mock

We could make excuses for the other guy as well saying he didnt mean that Diane Abbott should be shot but that he worded it poorly...these people need to engage brain before speaking, you could also argue the Tory Donor was in a room of 'friends' and not speaking publically like Tennant, women are enough danger from extreme trans activists without this guy popping up and saying we should cease to exist because we wont roll over and accept penises in womens spaces and sport

I think it's a lot harder for the guy to justify the Diane Abbott comment because he is even referencing the weapon of choice.

I will check the David Tennant video out now though, thanks for the link.:)

[Mystic Mock]

I've seen the video Cherie

To me I'm still convinced that he worded it poorly, but I understand if you feel differently.

My two biggest gripes with him in that video was him having to keep pausing to think of what he wanted to say next, I mean if he is so genuinely pro-LGBT then he should have some broadstroke points that he wanted to make a little bit more off the cuff? Because I know that if I supported something so passionately as he is claiming, then he shouldn't need to think about what he is about to say quite as much as he is in that video.

And Transwomen do harm women's Sports, so straight away David Tennant's argument about "we shouldn't be having an issue with groups that aren't harming anybody else" is already destroyed the moment that I think about that topic.

And I do say that as someone that doesn't really have any other severe issues with the Trans community, tell a lie there was the Hogwarts Legacy drama, but away from those two things I am fine with the Trans community personally.

But for Tennant to not acknowledge how Trans athletes are robbing women of winning their own Sport events is very phony.

[joeysteele]

I'm not one who likes Kemi Badenoch.
She holds suspect views herself.

However David Tenant was wrong here in his chosen words he used.
I can agree with the view that this is what comes about when actors speak without a script.
The element of thinking rationally disappears.

I personally thought Tenant was one of the very best Doctors in Doctor Who.
However I often wish ALL celebrities who find themselves in more privileged settings of awards or other events publicly, would stick to their profession in speeches rather than make divisive issues worse .

David Tenant however to me, often sounds like a very angry individual even in his delivery of speeches.

[Ammi]

I think it's a lot harder for the guy to justify the Diane Abbott comment because he is even referencing the weapon of choice.

I will check the David Tennant video out now though, thanks for the link.:)

…well, whatever the choice of and use of words, for me that’s just focusing on one aspect where differences and similarities can both be taken…but in so far as the ‘target’ of those words are aimed at…they’re both aimed at females who are hugely the victims of violence/violent acts and also of rape threats etc…the internet as we know can be a very horrendous place and some words being the ‘power’ are also very scary….i think as well, when people speak…David Tenant, for instance…?….the ‘comparison’ he doesn’t have to think any further than would be…how he would feel if someone said that about his wife…that they wished that she would cease to exist and she needs to shut up etc…./…just not a good look at all, really….

…and actually, his words will only make females feel less safe about sharing spaces etc, won’t they…his words go against everything he believes because they’re just feeding ‘male threat to female’…/…vibe….so silly, silly man…

[Mystic Mock]

…well, whatever the choice of and use of words, for me that’s just focusing on one aspect where differences and similarities can both be taken…but in so far as the ‘target’ of those words are aimed at…they’re both aimed at females who are hugely the victims of violence/violent acts and also of rape threats etc…the internet as we know can be a very horrendous place and some words being the ‘power’ are also very scary….i think as well, when people speak…David Tenant, for instance…?….the ‘comparison’ he doesn’t have to think any further than would be…how he would feel if someone said that about his wife…that they wished that she would cease to exist and she needs to shut up etc…./…just not a good look at all, really….

…and actually, his words will only make females feel less safe about sharing spaces etc, won’t they…his words go against everything he believes because they’re just feeding ‘male threat to female’…/…vibe….so silly, silly man…

I don't personally agree with David Tennant's comments.

I just don't believe that he meant it the way that it's coming across.

[Niamh.]

…well, whatever the choice of and use of words, for me that’s just focusing on one aspect where differences and similarities can both be taken…but in so far as the ‘target’ of those words are aimed at…they’re both aimed at females who are hugely the victims of violence/violent acts and also of rape threats etc…the internet as we know can be a very horrendous place and some words being the ‘power’ are also very scary….i think as well, when people speak…David Tenant, for instance…?….the ‘comparison’ he doesn’t have to think any further than would be…how he would feel if someone said that about his wife…that they wished that she would cease to exist and she needs to shut up etc…./…just not a good look at all, really….



…and actually, his words will only make females feel less safe about sharing spaces etc, won’t they…his words go against everything he believes because they’re just feeding ‘male threat to female’…/…vibe….so silly, silly man…Exactly Ammi. It was all so unnecessary as well. He turned receiving that award into such a negative thing, his speech didn't need to attack people, he could have just focused on the community he's supporting rather than picking out individual women to target

[Ammi]

I don't personally agree with David Tennant's comments.

I just don't believe that he meant it the way that it's coming across.

…he didn’t have to mention anyone else in his own support of something…there is no reason to do that…there are people who hold his view and there are people who don’t but he singled one person out and made remarks that could have easily been deemed as ‘inciting violence’ in a very careless way….all we have is what he said and that’s all we can comment on…if his ‘intentions’ were something else then it’s for him to make that known publicly and then we can comment in that also…

[Crimson Dynamo]

the veil slipped and we saw once again the hateful misogyny of trans activism

how much more of this has to be shown before everyone sees what is going on?

[Ammi]

…I never really had any opinion of him before in any which way…but he just really looks very silly and rather than support his beliefs, he’s gone against them ….how can he help with people being confident that ‘shared spaces are safe spaces’….when he’s just said that a female needs to shut up and cease to exist, which is quite a hostile thing to say and is so open to interpretation of ‘violent’ inference…

[Crimson Dynamo]

Like so many captured leftists his speech contained the line “everyone has the right to be who they want to be and live their life how they want to live it as long as they’re not hurting anyone else” – while displaying none of those values towards anyone who dares to challenge his opinion.

[Mystic Mock]

…he didn’t have to mention anyone else in his own support of something…there is no reason to do that…there are people who hold his view and there are people who don’t but he singled one person out and made remarks that could have easily been deemed as ‘inciting violence’ in a very careless way….all we have is what he said and that’s all we can comment on…if his ‘intentions’ were something else then it’s for him to make that known publicly and then we can comment in that also…

I'm sure that he'll do some sort of PR stated apology over the next few days.

And unfortunately, Actors more than anyone these days have been taught to say every political thought that comes to mind (especially of the left persuasion,) and I do think that in David Tennant's bid to try and look good with the Trans community, he instead worded something else in a way that can come across as encouraging criminal conduct towards not just a woman, but also someone that has different political beliefs to himself, which obviously is never a good look for anyone (ask Putin.)

I think that he should've thought about what he was going to say more carefully about Kemi Bodenach, rather than trying to appease a community that already highly respects him.

I still believe that he isn't like the guy threatening Diane Abbott, but it was definitely poorly thought out in my view.

[Mystic Mock]

Like so many captured leftists his speech contained the line “everyone has the right to be who they want to be and live their life how they want to live it as long as they’re not hurting anyone else” – while displaying none of those values towards anyone who dares to challenge his opinion.

He did fail to factor in how female athletes are being hurt in their own Sports by including Transwomen in their events, he just completely overlooked it when he made that comment.

Now that ironically annoyed me far more.

[Livia]

I hope David Tennant's career ceases to exist tomorrow.

[Beso]

Actors will say and do anything to get the round of applause..Tennants just another in a long line of sycophants

[Gusto Brunt]

Yes no need to be personal, Mr Tennant but you are looking too lean in my view and a bit more wrinkled. :p

[Niamh.]

I'm sure that he'll do some sort of PR stated apology over the next few days.

And unfortunately, Actors more than anyone these days have been taught to say every political thought that comes to mind (especially of the left persuasion,) and I do think that in David Tennant's bid to try and look good with the Trans community, he instead worded something else in a way that can come across as encouraging criminal conduct towards not just a woman, but also someone that has different political beliefs to himself, which obviously is never a good look for anyone (ask Putin.)

I think that he should've thought about what he was going to say more carefully about Kemi Bodenach, rather than trying to appease a community that already highly respects him.

I still believe that he isn't like the guy threatening Diane Abbott, but it was definitely poorly thought out in my view.

I'd be surprised if he did do any sort of apology tbh. This sort of misogyny is almost encouraged in the media these days

[Liam-]

I love when people who claim to hate everything about ‘identity politics’ fall directly into the hardest form of it when they face criticism for their actions, ideas and policies, she couldn’t care less when someone giving her money wanted to shoot another black woman in politics, yet someone saying they want her to shut up because she’s a bigot is suddenly the most egregious offence because she’s specifically a black woman, even though her gender or her race were never mentioned, it’s a beautiful full circle of hypocrisy

[Crimson Dynamo]

I love when people who claim to hate everything about ‘identity politics’ fall directly into the hardest form of it when they face criticism for their actions, ideas and policies, she couldn’t care less when someone giving her money wanted to shoot another black woman in politics, yet someone saying they want her to shut up because she’s a bigot is suddenly the most egregious offence because she’s specifically a black woman, even though her gender or her race were never mentioned, it’s a beautiful full circle of hypocrisy

"they face criticism for their actions"

shut up and cease to exist ie die

that isn't criticism its abuse

[Cherie]

I am also pondering the choice of words on his T Shirt, 'You will have to go through me' .....

[Niamh.]

I am also pondering the choice of words on his T Shirt, 'You will have to go through me' .....

It always seems very aggressive, the TRA campaigning and how they speak to and about anyone with concerns

[user104658]

I'll personally never forgive him for being a part of that frankly offensive "drama" about parenting a child with autism and learning disability. Fair enough if you're clear that you're making a drama about a couple of panicky, useless, unravelling parents who are unable to cope - that certainly happens - but it was painted as a normal/realistic look at the life with a disabled kid when it simply is not like that at all for the vast majority of people, the vast majority of the time. Off topic slightly. It just comes up to re-irk me every time I see Tennant these days.

[Cherie]

It always seems very aggressive, the TRA campaigning and how they speak to and about anyone with concerns

Right, its like he is suggesting that women are looking for a fight when all we are asking for is for some common sense thinking and compromise over hard won womens rights ..

[Cherie]

I'll personally never forgive him for being a part of that frankly offensive "drama" about parenting a child with autism and learning disability. Fair enough if you're clear that you're making a drama about a couple of panicky, useless, unravelling parents who are unable to cope - that certainly happens - but it was painted as a normal/realistic look at the life with a disabled kid when it simply is not like that at all for the vast majority of people, the vast majority of the time. Off topic slightly. It just comes up to re-irk me every time I see Tennant these days.

I had to look it up


There She Goes is a comedy-drama about a severely learning disabled nine year-old girl Rosie (Miley Locke), her dad Simon (David Tennant), mum Emily (Jessica Hynes) and brother Ben (Edan Hayh...

[Liam-]

It always seems very aggressive, the TRA campaigning and how they speak to and about anyone with concerns

If Posie Parker had worn that shirt and aimed it at trans or gay people in one of her many abusive, bigoted rants against minorities, you’d call her brave and strong for protecting her kids, let’s not play these games

[Niamh.]

Right, its like he is suggesting that women are looking for a fight when all we are asking for is for some common sense thinking and compromise over hard won womens rights ..

That seems to be the attitude of a whole lot of TRAs as far as i can see. Lots of aggression and threats in their "standing up for trans rights" lots of "Punch a TERF" "Kill a TERF" ""Rape a TERF" etc, bearing in mind the threshold for what a "TERF" is very very low.

[Niamh.]

If Posie Parker had worn that shirt and aimed it at trans or gay people in one of her many abusive, bigoted rants against minorities, you’d call her brave and strong for protecting her kids, let’s not play these games

I still don't understand how gay people are lumped into this category every time, could you explain that to me? My only concern here is women's rights. This has zero to do with gay people. Gay people rights to equality never conflicted with straight peoples rights, "trans rights" do conflict with women's rights

[user104658]

There She Goes is a comedy-drama about a severely learning disabled nine year-old girl Rosie (Miley Locke), her dad Simon (David Tennant), mum Emily (Jessica Hynes) and brother Ben (Edan Hayh...

I mean it's not that they're making light of it, it's meant to be a "raw" comedy, but all I can really say is... it plays out like a random couple who have been coasting through their normal life have suddenly been handed an LD 9-year-old and have no idea what to do. For THAT it seems pretty accurate. Like... they could have had the girl's mum and dad be divorced, the mum dies, and the girl has to go live full-time with dad and his wife who have to re-learn parenting and how to live. There you go, totally fine as a show. But that's not what it is, it's meant to be her actual parents, but it plays out like they've just been plonked in this situation :think:. Realistically you start with a "normal baby", you have a toddler where some things seems slightly different, you start really noticing at 2/3/4... you grow, learn and adapt together. Parents of an LD child who seem bewlindered that their child has LD and are still flailing and panicking constantly ... is just not accurate or realistic whatsoever. And makes it seem to the casual BBC viewer like those of us with actual LD kids are at home in a constant state of chaos. :shrug:

[Liam-]

I still don't understand how gay people are lumped into this category every time, could you explain that to me? My only concern here is women's rights. This has zero to do with gay people. Gay people rights to equality never conflicted with straight peoples rights, "trans rights" do conflict with women's rights

Notice there’s no mention of what I actually said, because it’s very obviously true and you can’t deny it :laugh:

Gay people get ‘lumped’ in, because the people leading the anti-trans movement that are hero worshipped by the followers aren’t just anti-trans, they’re just bigots in general, who, if allowed to win in their quest to strip trans people of all their rights, won’t just stop at trans people, they’ll move onto gay people next, the likes or Parker join arms with literal Nazis at their rallies, they openly support religious extremist movements that want to get rid of things like gay adoption and marriage, as well as abortion.

The anti-trans movement doesn’t just affect trans people, there’s already instances of it being used against lesbians and straight cis women who don’t look ‘feminine’ enough in the eyes of the ‘we can always tell!!’ cult

[Nicky91]

that Kemi should learn to keep her gob shut :rolleyes:



women's rights are allowed, and trans rights are allowed too, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, we aren't Russia or North Korea



also ''white privilege'' seriously Kemi, throwing the race card is almost as cliché as the boy who cried wolf :facepalm:

[Niamh.]

Notice there’s no mention of what I actually said, because it’s very obviously true and you can’t deny it :laugh:

Gay people get ‘lumped’ in, because the people leading the anti-trans movement that are hero worshipped by the followers aren’t just anti-trans, they’re just bigots in general, who, if allowed to win in their quest to strip trans people of all their rights, won’t just stop at trans people, they’ll move onto gay people next, the likes or Parker join arms with literal Nazis at their rallies, they openly support religious extremist movements that want to get rid of things like gay adoption and marriage, as well as abortion.

The anti-trans movement doesn’t just affect trans people, there’s already instances of it being used against lesbians and straight cis women who don’t look ‘feminine’ enough in the eyes of the ‘we can always tell!!’ cult

I didn't respond to the rest of it because you're misrepresenting my issues by putting on another group of people I'm not even speaking about or have any issues with in this particular debate. I won't allow you to do that Liam and get away with it. Sorry about that.

Also, what exactly do you want me to say in response to the really hypothetical question you posed (pardon the pun)? It wasn't even a question it was you telling me how I'd respond to something that hasn't happened about someone you clearly believe I hero worship which by the way I don't so I'm not sure why you think that about me. Yeah I think she has some good points sometimes but I don't believe I've posted a whole lot about her on here :shrug: In regards to the Nazi supporter stuff, as far as I know she's said she didn't invite those people to her event, she seems like someone who isn't afraid to say exactly what she thinks so if she did want and invite Nazis why wouldn't she embrace that? And if she's a secret Nazi lover, why invite them and expose herself?

[user104658]

Gay people get ‘lumped’ in, because the people leading the anti-trans movement that are hero worshipped by the followers aren’t just anti-trans, they’re just bigots in general, who, if allowed to win in their quest to strip trans people of all their rights, won’t just stop at trans people, they’ll move onto gay people next, the likes or Parker join arms with literal Nazis at their rallies, they openly support religious extremist movements that want to get rid of things like gay adoption and marriage, as well as abortion.


I don't disagree with any of this, I unfortunately think this is 100% correct and a lot of (perhaps at this point the majority of) the people who have lept into the trans debate are - most certainly - not there because they give a stuff about women. Most of them are on top of it all, raging misogynists.

Where I disagree with you is in believing that it's of utmost importance to continue an unwavering united front that ignores a multitude of safety concerns and proven, well understood mental wellbeing concerns (that cause direct harm TO gender-questioning individuals and the LGBTQ community) for fear of ceding ground to "the enemy".

There has to be a more sensible, more nuanced approach that ignores the thick, blinkered loud-mouths on both "sides". Where are the ****ing adults, I swear.

[Niamh.]

I don't disagree with any of this, I unfortunately think this is 100% correct and a lot of (perhaps at this point the majority of) the people who have lept into the trans debate are - most certainly - not there because they give a stuff about women. Most of them are on top of it all, raging misogynists.

Where I disagree with you is in believing that it's of utmost importance to continue an unwavering united front that ignores a multitude of safety concerns and proven, well understood mental wellbeing concerns (that cause direct harm TO gender-questioning individuals and the LGBTQ community) for fear of ceding ground to "the enemy".

There has to be a more sensible, more nuanced approach that ignores the thick, blinkered loud-mouths on both "sides". Where are the ****ing adults, I swear.

Like the Cass report as an example of things being ignored

[Liam-]

The report that Badenoch has admitted was set up to come out with a specific result because they placed a bunch of already publicly anti-trans people on the commission, a report that has been condemned by the vast majority of health boards around the country and Europe :joker:

There are some valid concerns out there, but the answer isn’t to punish an entire demographic of people because of it and make it harder for people to be who they are, which is the entire point of the anti-trans movement, it will lead to deaths like all other previous anti-trans and anti-lgbt legislations have and I think that the majority of these ‘protect women and kids’ crowd, would be very much okay with that, because it’s not about ‘protecting’ women and kids, it’s about harming a demographic they don’t like

[Liam-]

If the people with genuine concerns want to be taken seriously, which they should be, maybe they shouldn’t have highlighted and elevated people who rub shoulders with Nazis and support religious fundamentalist groups who despise everything not straight and male, hateful, bigoted people have been allowed to become the face of the movement and they are driving the narratives, all while really not giving a **** about women at all

[Crimson Dynamo]

ymq9tT40r68

[Niamh.]

If the people with genuine concerns want to be taken seriously, which they should be, maybe they shouldn’t have highlighted and elevated people who rub shoulders with Nazis and support religious fundamentalist groups who despise everything not straight and male, hateful, bigoted people have been allowed to become the face of the movement and they are driving the narratives, all while really not giving a **** about women at all

Oh Liam come on, it doesn't matter how it's said or by who, people are always shut down if they raise concerns.

[Nicky91]

Badenoch achieved A Levels from Phoenix College, a further education college in Morden, south London, whilst working at a branch of McDonald's among other jobs.[7][10] Badenoch studied Computer Systems Engineering at the University of Sussex, completing a Master of Engineering (MEng) degree in 2003.[13][14]

She initially worked within the IT sector, first as a software engineer at Logica (later CGI Group) from 2003 to 2006. While working there she read Law part-time at Birkbeck, University of London, graduating as Bachelor of Laws (LLB) in 2009.[10] Badenoch then worked as a systems analyst at the Royal Bank of Scotland Group,[15] before pursuing a career in consultancy and financial services, working as an associate director at private bank and wealth manager Coutts from 2006 to 2013 and later a digital director for The Spectator from 2015 to 2016.



Her father, Femi Adegoke, was a GP and her mother, Feyi Adegoke, was a professor of physiology.



nah, she didn't have a bad life at all, seems a very entitled, spoiled, privileged woman herself tbh



quite hypocrite of shutting down someone's opinions opposed to her own, also being homophobic is quite a bad look, you know



regarding David

Tennant is a supporter of the LGBTQ+ community, particularly those who identify as non-binary, frequently appearing in interviews wearing pride pins.[108][109][110] He received the LGBT+ Celebrity Ally award at the 2024 British LGBT Awards as a result of his ongoing support for the LGBTQ+ Community.

[Nicky91]

if ur parents are a doctor and a professor at a university, you didn't exactly grow up poor


so i massively doubt Kemi has lived a bad life, or knows what struggles are



Nigeria and UK have a good relationship as well, many nigerian people (businesspeople, doctors, professors) go to the UK to study as well

[Ammi]

I mean it's not that they're making light of it, it's meant to be a "raw" comedy, but all I can really say is... it plays out like a random couple who have been coasting through their normal life have suddenly been handed an LD 9-year-old and have no idea what to do. For THAT it seems pretty accurate. Like... they could have had the girl's mum and dad be divorced, the mum dies, and the girl has to go live full-time with dad and his wife who have to re-learn parenting and how to live. There you go, totally fine as a show. But that's not what it is, it's meant to be her actual parents, but it plays out like they've just been plonked in this situation :think:. Realistically you start with a "normal baby", you have a toddler where some things seems slightly different, you start really noticing at 2/3/4... you grow, learn and adapt together. Parents of an LD child who seem bewlindered that their child has LD and are still flailing and panicking constantly ... is just not accurate or realistic whatsoever. And makes it seem to the casual BBC viewer like those of us with actual LD kids are at home in a constant state of chaos. :shrug:


…oh, I’ll try to seek this out and watch it…I personal interest in such a story…I had read some quite excellent reviews and know that it’s based on personal experiences of the writers and creators etc…their daughter has a very rare disease which went undiagnosed for a lengthy time…early diagnosis always plays such an important part for families…anyway, I’ll try to find time to watch it…/see if it’s on catch up…

[Cherie]

If the people with genuine concerns want to be taken seriously, which they should be, maybe they shouldn’t have highlighted and elevated people who rub shoulders with Nazis and support religious fundamentalist groups who despise everything not straight and male, hateful, bigoted people have been allowed to become the face of the movement and they are driving the narratives, all while really not giving a **** about women at all

Yeah I dont associate with any of those types, don't follow Posie Parker, not a Trump supporter, not a particularly good Catholic, I'm just me with my own concerns but I am still called a TERF and a bigot and various other names I am sure, and there are alot of people like me, so how do you square that one Liam?

[Crimson Dynamo]

The Prime Minister said:

Freedom of speech is the most powerful feature of our democracy.

If you’re calling for women to shut up and wishing they didn’t exist, you are the problem

[Crimson Dynamo]

Tenant finding out now he does not have as many friends as he once thought...

[arista]

Labour MP Bridget speaking in Nottingham Trent University
sais it is wrong to attack Kemi
in this way.

BBCnewsHD

She stated Dawn Butler MP
can speak for herself?

[arista]

Kemi needs extra Security
because of what David said

That can not be right

[Cherie]

Kemi needs extra Security
because of what David said

That can not be right

Inciting violence against women, what a great chap he is

[Cherie]

I seem to recall someone else inciting violence recently, we wont put these 2 together in the same box though I am sure :idc:

[bots]

i don't get why anyone listens to the guy. What happened to the times where you could just ignore someone who is being an arse. That's what i do, and it's a lot less stressful

[Crimson Dynamo]

i don't get why anyone listens to the guy. What happened to the times where you could just ignore someone who is being an arse. That's what i do, and it's a lot less stressful

I don't get why anyone would want men dressed as prostitutes reading to infants:shrug:

but lots of people think its ok and normal

Tenant is part of a pernicious cult and I am glad he has been exposed for who he really is

The tide is finally turning, thankfully

[Glenn.]

LT must be REALLY triggered by pantomime’s huh

I wonder how many kids have been shot at in school this year


Edit:

There have been at least 34 school shootings in the United States so far this year, as of June 24. Nine were on college campuses, and 25 were on K-12 school grounds. The incidents left 16 people dead and at least 38 other victims injured

[Mystic Mock]

I'll personally never forgive him for being a part of that frankly offensive "drama" about parenting a child with autism and learning disability. Fair enough if you're clear that you're making a drama about a couple of panicky, useless, unravelling parents who are unable to cope - that certainly happens - but it was painted as a normal/realistic look at the life with a disabled kid when it simply is not like that at all for the vast majority of people, the vast majority of the time. Off topic slightly. It just comes up to re-irk me every time I see Tennant these days.

British TV Drama is awful tbh.

I'm not surprised that garbage like what you're describing here hit (I'm going to guess) ITV's airwaves?

[Mystic Mock]

Notice there’s no mention of what I actually said, because it’s very obviously true and you can’t deny it :laugh:

Gay people get ‘lumped’ in, because the people leading the anti-trans movement that are hero worshipped by the followers aren’t just anti-trans, they’re just bigots in general, who, if allowed to win in their quest to strip trans people of all their rights, won’t just stop at trans people, they’ll move onto gay people next, the likes or Parker join arms with literal Nazis at their rallies, they openly support religious extremist movements that want to get rid of things like gay adoption and marriage, as well as abortion.

The anti-trans movement doesn’t just affect trans people, there’s already instances of it being used against lesbians and straight cis women who don’t look ‘feminine’ enough in the eyes of the ‘we can always tell!!’ cult

I can understand where you're coming from on your other points.

But Lesbians are in a problematic scenario either way, because whilst I agree with you that people like Posie Parker most likely don't really have a Lesbian woman's best interest at heart, some of the Trans community want Lesbians to hook up with Trans people if they still have a penis, which obviously a Lesbian is not going to be comfortable with that for obvious reasons.

[arista]

Top Part of this Thursday Front Page

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[Mystic Mock]

Oh Liam come on, it doesn't matter how it's said or by who, people are always shut down if they raise concerns.

Also controversially even bad people can say things that you agree with sometimes.

It doesn't mean you have to like them obviously.

And I mean this away from just the Trans topic, but on other topics too.

[Niamh.]

Also controversially even bad people can say things that you agree with sometimes.



It doesn't mean you have to like them obviously.



And I mean this away from just the Trans topic, but on other topics too.Absolutely

[Livia]

LT must be REALLY triggered by pantomime’s huh

I wonder how many kids have been shot at in school this year


Edit:

There have been at least 34 school shootings in the United States so far this year, as of June 24. Nine were on college campuses, and 25 were on K-12 school grounds. The incidents left 16 people dead and at least 38 other victims injured

In the USA.

[Livia]

I can understand where you're coming from on your other points.

But Lesbians are in a problematic scenario either way, because whilst I agree with you that people like Posie Parker most likely don't really have a Lesbian woman's best interest at heart, some of the Trans community want Lesbians to hook up with Trans people if they still have a penis, which obviously a Lesbian is not going to be comfortable with that for obvious reasons.

That obvious reason being that trans women are biological men.

[Liam-]

I can understand where you're coming from on your other points.

But Lesbians are in a problematic scenario either way, because whilst I agree with you that people like Posie Parker most likely don't really have a Lesbian woman's best interest at heart, some of the Trans community want Lesbians to hook up with Trans people if they still have a penis, which obviously a Lesbian is not going to be comfortable with that for obvious reasons.

Trans people aren’t trying to force lesbians to sleep with them, that’s just not happening and also, you can’t speak for all lesbians, some lesbians are perfectly happy to involved with trans women.

There’s recently been a dating app developed for lesbians which uses ai facial recognition to identity trans women to block them from using it and all it’s done so far is incorrectly identify cis lesbians as trans because they don’t fit the feminine bill.

There are more victims of transphobia than just trans people, but anti-trans people don’t care about that as long as trans people are punished for their identity

[Livia]

I reject the term Cis, just for the record.

[Livia]

Trans people aren’t trying to force lesbians to sleep with them, that’s just not happening and also, you can’t speak for all lesbians, some lesbians are perfectly happy to involved with trans women.

There’s recently been a dating app developed for lesbians which uses ai facial recognition to identity trans women to block them from using it and all it’s done so far is incorrectly identify cis lesbians as trans because they don’t fit the feminine bill.

There are more victims of transphobia than just trans people, but anti-trans people don’t care about that as long as trans people are punished for their identity

Read about the 'cotton ceiling'.

[Beso]

Is it impossible for the trans community to be called nazis?

[Niamh.]

Is it impossible for the trans community to be called nazis?

I don't think calling anyone other than Nazis - Nazis is very helpful tbh

[user104658]

Trans people aren’t trying to force lesbians to sleep with them, that’s just not happening and also, you can’t speak for all lesbians, some lesbians are perfectly happy to involved with trans women.

I mean, it is happening. You can point out that it's not the majority of trans people doing it, or that the majority would disagree with, you could even (try to) say that the number is small enough for it not to be worth taking drastic action. But to say that it isn't happening it all is a clear and obvious lie, even from a standpoint of simple logic and maths. Of course there are people out there who would do that. And of course there are examples of it happening. There are entire groups and forums full of people insisting that lesbian women who won't date/sleep with trans women are "transphobic" and "gatekeeping".

Funnily enough the same is never said about gay men who aren't interested in trans men. It is, apparently, perfectly legitimate to have a preference for penis.

I can only assume that - as always - misogyny is part of the equation, with the gay male community struggling to understand why any gay woman or straight man might legitimately prefer vaginas, and not secretly be hankering after feminine-presenting people with penises.

In fact, anecdotally I would say that many gay men are far more likely to take issue with a straight man who outright states no interest in trans women, than they are to take issue with another gay man who states they have no interest in trans men.

"Do as I say not as I do" and all that, I suppose.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Trans activists shut down my lesbian speed-dating event

After multiple incidents involving biological males turning up and identifying as women,
we had to clarify that men were not permitted to attend.


https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/04/03/trans-activists-shut-down-my-lesbian-speed-dating-event/

[Cherie]

Yeah I dont associate with any of those types, don't follow Posie Parker, not a Trump supporter, not a particularly good Catholic, I'm just me with my own concerns but I am still called a TERF and a bigot and various other names I am sure, and there are alot of people like me, so how do you square that one Liam?

so stunned I have not had a response to this?

[Ray.]

https://c.tenor.com/r13H_vWQT0gAAAAC/tenor.gif

[Crimson Dynamo]

During his acceptance speech, Tennant referred to the Conservative MP Kemi
Badenoch. To whoops from the crowd, he talked the usual pabulum about
everyone being whatever they say they are. Which is to say that if a child
says they feel slightly feminine or boyish you should put them on drugs and
then chop their bits off. Tennant seems to believe this and lamented how
bigoted the world is ‘until we wake up and Kemi Badenoch doesn’t exist any
more’. He went on, hilariously: ‘I don’t wish ill of her, I just wish her to shut
up.’

It is hard to think of any other situation in which such intolerant and ugly
language would be used, let alone of a black woman. But Tennant felt
emboldened to say it because he had been anointed an ‘ally’ or honorary
‘queer’ by whatever disastrous body hands out these trophies. It is time to
realise that too much goes on under the guise of ‘pride’. Including prejudice.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Douglas_M.png?resize=100,100

WRITTEN BY
Douglas Murray

[Crimson Dynamo]

Is it impossible for the trans community to be called nazis?

https://www.spectator.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Julie_B.png?resize=100,100

At the weekend, I was at the LET WOMEN SPEAK rally in Brighton where a
crowd of masked, black-clad men – the trans-allies known as the ‘Black
Pampers’ due to their extreme youth and their verbal incontinence – told us
that we were Nazis for believing that women should be permitted to hold on
to our rights, making so much racket with various noisy toys that the
women’s voices were all but drowned.

I have no doubt that, could they make it so, they would arrange it so that we
didn’t exist either. The Starmer government seems sensible and dull, but in
the area of women’s rights, they sing from the same page as these strange,
sick creatures; they too have been infected with the trans-madness, the
strange danse macabre which sees common sense and women’s rights as the
enemy of all good people.

Still, it’s good that – unlike the Black Pampers – David Tennant has shown his
true colours. Maybe he’ll regenerate as a decent human being one day. We
can but hope. Until then, shame on him, for this vile attack on this
exceptional woman.

WRITTEN BY

Julie Burchill is a writer living in Brighton.

[Glenn.]

In the USA.

The majority of everything LT posts pertains to the USA….

[Mystic Mock]

Trans people aren’t trying to force lesbians to sleep with them, that’s just not happening and also, you can’t speak for all lesbians, some lesbians are perfectly happy to involved with trans women.

There’s recently been a dating app developed for lesbians which uses ai facial recognition to identity trans women to block them from using it and all it’s done so far is incorrectly identify cis lesbians as trans because they don’t fit the feminine bill.

There are more victims of transphobia than just trans people, but anti-trans people don’t care about that as long as trans people are punished for their identity

I agree that most Transwomen don't want to force Lesbians to sleep with them, if the Lesbian is uncomfortable with that option.

But there are a vocal minority out there that are trying to accuse Lesbians of being Transphobic if they don't want to sleep with them.

And I'm sorry Liam, but sexuality has a lot to do with the Anatomy down below, and to put it across crudely, a Lesbian likes Vaginas, if a Transperson has a penis and then pressures a Lesbian into having sex with them otherwise she's "Transphobic" then that is wrong imo.

Fair enough to the Lesbians that You're on about, that are willing to go with a Transwoman that might still have a Penis, because I don't care as long as she's a willing participant.

But I am confident in saying that a lot of Lesbians want a woman or Transwoman to have a Vagina, I know that it's not the nicest thing for me to say, but it is the truth, and sometimes the truth isn't always nice.

And AI technology is just a menace to society at large the way it's currently going, especially in cases such as dating sites, because of the mishaps that AI can make (such as the one that you've pointed out, which is terrible) and in my view I don't get why Transwomen can't be on a Dating App anyway? Just let the women decide for themselves if they want to go with them or not, without facing judgement for whatever they decided to do.

And I do agree with you that if the Far Right got what they wanted with wiping the Trans community off the face of the earth that another group of people would be targeted (and considering a lot of these Far Right trends start in America, it will probably be between gay men, black people, and Mexicans.)

I just do wish that some (not all obviously,) of the Trans community wouldn't give the Far Right ammunition to use against them, because even the middle ground sided against them during the Hogwarts Legacy debacle for example, because it escalated out of control.

[Mystic Mock]

In the USA.

Tbf, most USA policies do eventually reach the UK.

[Crimson Dynamo]

J.K. Rowling
@jk_rowling

This man is talking about rape survivors who want female-only care, the nurses
currently suing their health trust for making them change in front of a man,
girls and women losing sporting opportunities to males and female prisoners
incarcerated with convicted sex offenders.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRJVEVaWYAALGUY?format=jpg&name=small

[Niamh.]

J.K. Rowling
@jk_rowling

This man is talking about rape survivors who want female-only care, the nurses
currently suing their health trust for making them change in front of a man,
girls and women losing sporting opportunities to males and female prisoners
incarcerated with convicted sex offenders.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRJVEVaWYAALGUY?format=jpg&name=small

Oh wow, was that comment from David Tennant in response to the backlash of his comments about Kemi Badenoch?

[Mystic Mock]

That's not the best way for David Tennant to handle this situation, if that's what he said.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Oh wow, was that comment from David Tennant in response to the backlash of his comments about Kemi Badenoch?

an interview after that "awards ceremony"

https://x.com/DrTennant10/status/1805900656051474462

Just nasty

[Niamh.]

an interview after that "awards ceremony"

https://x.com/DrTennant10/status/1805900656051474462

Just nasty

hhmmmm well, a lot of what he's saying I totally agree with and I think the majority of people who argue about this from a woman's rights perspective would also agree with. What I don't like is his dismissive-ness when it comes to any questioning of this ideology at all or it's impacts on women and children in some areas. Saying that people (especially women) who raise any concerns are doing so because they're selfish is an astoundingly privileged attitude to have coming from a wealthy white man, just poo pooing these annoying whingy women. Awful attitude and quite regressive ironically

[Crimson Dynamo]

hhmmmm well, a lot of what he's saying I totally agree with and I think the majority of people who argue about this from a woman's rights perspective would also agree with. What I don't like is his dismissive-ness when it comes to any questioning of this ideology at all or it's impacts on women and children in some areas. Saying that people (especially women) who raise any concerns are doing so because they're selfish is an astoundingly privileged attitude to have coming from a wealthy white man, just poo pooing these annoying whingy women. Awful attitude and quite regressive ironically

But his whole premis is a strawman - "I just wish people would be nice and let people live" - so does everyone mate :shrug:

What people also want is children not to be sterilised and have bits cut off them and for women to have safe spaces away from men but he doesn't but of course just pretends that the "bad people" are just wanting to not let people live.

Of course he is in denial and the Cass report has exposed him and his wife

[Niamh.]

But his whole premis is a strawman - "I just wish people would be nice and let people live" - so does everyone mate :shrug:

What people also want is children not to be sterilised and have bits cut off them and for women to have safe spaces away from men but he doesn't but of course just pretends that the "bad people" are just wanting to not let people live.

Of course he is in denial and the Cass report has exposed him and his wife

Well this is the thing, he has had evidence through the Cass report showing that actually people who were saying this stuff about medicalising children and fast tracking them/not looking at other possible reasons why they think they're trans - is not actually just made up stuff because we all hate trans people and don't really care about children (I mean which is more likely for the vast majority of people??) Why wouldn't we (especially people who are parents) care about the welfare of children??

He is correct though that most people in a general sense couldn't care less what others do with their lives or how they dress etc, they only start caring when it starts impacting other people which this does, it very clearly does, just look at Sport for, I guess the most visual and glaring examples

Basically he's being very disingenuous here because I don't think he's stupid

[Livia]

Tbf, most USA policies do eventually reach the UK.

Not their gun laws. Not ever...

[user104658]

Well this is the thing, he has had evidence through the Cass report showing that actually people who were saying this stuff about medicalising children and fast tracking them/not looking at other possible reasons why they think they're trans - is not actually just made up stuff because we all hate trans people and don't really care about children (I mean which is more likely for the vast majority of people??) Why wouldn't we (especially people who are parents) care about the welfare of children??

He is correct though that most people in a general sense couldn't care less what others do with their lives or how they dress etc, they only start caring when it starts impacting other people which this does, it very clearly does, just look at Sport for, I guess the most visual and glaring examples

Basically he's being very disingenuous here because I don't think he's stupid

My thoughts exactly and it actually irks me more when people demonstrate that they are in fact capable of having an intelligent, nuanced discussion about the issues and yet still resort to spewing idioms and soundbites in public discourse. He's more than capabe of understanding that this is a complex issue. If you caught him in a private one-on-one he'd probably willingly discuss the issues. But in public? "There is no issue everyone is just mean".

It's 100% Stonewall - literally - it's baked into the ideology. "Give them nothing, openly concede nothing" - because the idea is, if you do openly concede that it's a complex and nuanced issue (every sociological issue is!) then other disingenuous people on the other side will use it as an "ah-ha!" moment to exploit.

I mean, to an extent, I even get it. I understand where that came from.

The problem is that in the modern oh-so-interconnected era... you have lots of people constantly listening. And lots of them not capable or not old enough yet for proper critical thought about these issues. So if all they here is the drum-thumping of total denial that there's an issue then they're going to parrot that with no understanding at all of the topic at hand.

[Niamh.]

My thoughts exactly and it actually irks me more when people demonstrate that they are in fact capable of having an intelligent, nuanced discussion about the issues and yet still resort to spewing idioms and soundbites in public discourse. He's more than capabe of understanding that this is a complex issue. If you caught him in a private one-on-one he'd probably willingly discuss the issues. But in public? "There is no issue everyone is just mean".

It's 100% Stonewall - literally - it's baked into the ideology. "Give them nothing, openly concede nothing" - because the idea is, if you do openly concede that it's a complex and nuanced issue (every sociological issue is!) then other disingenuous people on the other side will use it as an "ah-ha!" moment to exploit.

I mean, to an extent, I even get it. I understand where that came from.

The problem is that in the modern oh-so-interconnected era... you have lots of people constantly listening. And lots of them not capable or not old enough yet for proper critical thought about these issues. So if all they here is the drum-thumping of total denial that there's an issue then they're going to parrot that with no understanding at all of the topic at hand.

Exactly. And this is where the ideology starts behaving more like a religious belief system imo. Follow all the dogma with blind faith or you're not such a good ally after all and you might be cast out!

[Crimson Dynamo]

This is how its being framed by the trans activists..



David Tennant wears non-binary pin and nail polish to Mean Girls premiere
amid trans rights row , following a public beef with government
ministersincluding Kemi Badenoch, over trans rights.

Pink News

https://www.thepinknews.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/David-Tennant.jpg?resize=792,416

------------------------------

No row, not about "trans rights" - just a nasty man being a misogynist because he has actually found himself on the wrong side of history

[Crimson Dynamo]

A caller named Jane got through to Sir Keir Starmer on BBC radio and
desperately tried to get him to answer how he’ll protect women whilst allowing
men to self-ID as women and access single sex spaces, she could teach the
media a thing or two about holding politicians to account!

https://x.com/darrengrimes_/status/1806654989877572052

Very worrying times ahead for girls and women with this snake in charge

[Mystic Mock]

Not their gun laws. Not ever...

I seriously hope that you're right.

[GoldHeart]

I seriously hope that you're right.

Are you saying you think the UK could adopt the gun loving Craze?? . I don't think it would ever get as bad as America, however lack of criminal checks on people will probably get worse here.

[Mystic Mock]

Are you saying you think the UK could adopt the gun loving Craze?? . I don't think it would ever get as bad as America, however lack of criminal checks on people will probably get worse here.

The UK along with Canada, Japan, and Australia all love to follow American culture a little too closely for my liking.

I like America as a nation, but there are certain things that this country takes from them that I really don't like.

So it wouldn't surprise me if we started taking on a gun loving culture.

[GoldHeart]

The UK along with Canada, Japan, and Australia all love to follow American culture a little too closely for my liking.

I like America as a nation, but there are certain things that this country takes from them that I really don't like.

I probably see what you're saying,but tell me more ?.

I agree that things happening in America can still affect us across the pond.

[Mystic Mock]

I probably see what you're saying,but tell me more ?.

I agree that things happening in America can still affect us across the pond.

Well I feel like we take on their entertainment industry at the expense of our own.

I feel that our local businesses aren't able to thrive over the American chains in our own country.

Plastic surgery on the rise in the UK.

And a lot of the Political scene in the UK is based off of what's happening in America.

There's probably more stuff that I'm not thinking of right now, but to me we are very much indoctrinated into American culture in this country.

Some of it tbf is good, but some of it is also unfortunate imo.

[GoldHeart]

Well I feel like we take on their entertainment industry at the expense of our own.

I feel that our local businesses aren't able to thrive over the American chains in our own country.

Plastic surgery on the rise in the UK.

And a lot of the Political scene in the UK is based off of what's happening in America.

There's probably more stuff that I'm not thinking of right now, but to me we are very much indoctrinated into American culture in this country.

Some of it tbf is good, but some of it is also unfortunate imo.

Yeah valid points,even the American slang gets used here aswell .

[Mystic Mock]

Yeah valid points,even the American slang gets used here aswell .

Exactly.

Which admittedly I can also be very guilty of using.:laugh:

[Cherie]

J.K. Rowling
@jk_rowling

This man is talking about rape survivors who want female-only care, the nurses
currently suing their health trust for making them change in front of a man,
girls and women losing sporting opportunities to males and female prisoners
incarcerated with convicted sex offenders.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRJVEVaWYAALGUY?format=jpg&name=small

Does he not see the irony of a man telling women how they should feel? he is supposed to be this supporter of people being able to live their lives freely, tell that to a rape survivor having to share facilities with a man who has taken advantage of self ID because he is a predator, or just a plain mysognist who feels women are beneath him so he will do it anyway

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2024/06/28/TELEMMGLPICT000223377663_17195919234320_trans_NvBQ zQNjv4BqIfRGf6Oenly0AHcnw4SF7uVbqilpVxmTsgL6McI6ew Y.jpeg?imwidth=500


Labour’s Dawn Butler has proudly declared that she agreed with David Tennant.

A woman praising a man for telling a woman to shut up after she spoke up for
women who are rightly worried about men invading women and girls safe spaces and who have read and understood the Cass report..

This is Labour 2024

[Crimson Dynamo]

Kemi Badenoch tells David Tennant 'I was RIGHT' after woman definition ruling - and
demands apologies to JK Rowling

She told GB News: "I spent my entire time as equalities minister really fighting on this
issue. I even got abuse from David Tennant.

Asked by GB News' political editor Christopher Hope what her message was for Tennant,
she replied: "I was right. And actually what is now really clear is that the law explains
something that all children know, men are men and women are women."
https://www.gbnews.com/politics/kemi-badenoch-david-tennant-woman-definition-trans

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQrc2raXsdq9XqELDMjsy9nixwsWmcD-1z-fQ&s
3 Wee Scottish women did mate

[Livia]

Kemi Badenoch tells David Tennant 'I was RIGHT' after woman definition ruling - and
demands apologies to JK Rowling

She told GB News: "I spent my entire time as equalities minister really fighting on this
issue. I even got abuse from David Tennant.

Asked by GB News' political editor Christopher Hope what her message was for Tennant,
she replied: "I was right. And actually what is now really clear is that the law explains
something that all children know, men are men and women are women."
https://www.gbnews.com/politics/kemi-badenoch-david-tennant-woman-definition-trans

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQrc2raXsdq9XqELDMjsy9nixwsWmcD-1z-fQ&s
3 Wee Scottish women did mate

That t shirt LOL.... He knows he's not really Doctor Who, right|?

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gop01pYWUAA9VN_?format=jpg&name=small

I think today is his birthday, cheer up Dave and Dan

[BBXX]

Kemi Badenoch tells David Tennant 'I was RIGHT' after woman definition ruling - and
demands apologies to JK Rowling

She told GB News: "I spent my entire time as equalities minister really fighting on this
issue. I even got abuse from David Tennant.

Asked by GB News' political editor Christopher Hope what her message was for Tennant,
she replied: "I was right. And actually what is now really clear is that the law explains
something that all children know, men are men and women are women."
https://www.gbnews.com/politics/kemi-badenoch-david-tennant-woman-definition-trans

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQrc2raXsdq9XqELDMjsy9nixwsWmcD-1z-fQ&s
3 Wee Scottish women did mate

A change in law doesn't mean someone was right lmao. Is she thick?

If incest was made legal tomorrow it doesn't meant the people supporting it have been proven "right" it just means the law has changed to fit with her views. What a bizarre and stupid way to assess the notion of an opinion.

[Crimson Dynamo]

"If incest was made legal tomorrow it doesn't meant the people supporting it "

sorry who do you know who supports incest?

:umm2:

[BBXX]

"If incest was made legal tomorrow it doesn't meant the people supporting it "

sorry who do you know who supports incest?

:umm2:

Literally nobody I know, it was just an example to show how ridiculous her argument is.

[Glenn.]

He knows that

[Vicky.]

The law wasn't changed, it was clarified.

That said idc if David Tennant wants someone to shut up. Least it's not rape and death threats like women usually get when speaking on this issue.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Literally nobody I know, it was just an example to show how ridiculous her argument is.

your example is ridiculous

[Crimson Dynamo]

The law wasn't changed, it was clarified.

That said idc if David Tennant wants someone to shut up. Least it's not rape and death threats like women usually get when speaking on this issue.

indeed

Judges at the Supreme Court in London were asked to rule on what that law
means by "sex" - whether it means biological sex, or legal, "certificated" sex as
defined by the 2004 Gender Recognition Act.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GosDAnpWQAAGCeQ?format=jpg&name=small


Yes Police will.