Tibbs election poll

[Alf]

So this is Tibbs election poll.

I'll put up an anonymous poll to see who you're voting for next Thursday.

If you're already sure where you're votes going. Then cast your vote on the poll.

If you're not sure, then I'll leave this poll open until election day. And you can cast your honest vote any time upto then, but you only
get one vote..

[Alf]

I left it anonymous on the poll incase you don't wish to share your vote with anyone else.

Alternatively, if you do want to share, then feel free to share in the thread.

[joeysteele]

I'm voting Labour, I doubt that's any surprise.

[Beso]

None of them....not voting.

But still having my say on TIBB.

[bots]

I'm voting for bin head

[Crimson Dynamo]

National Front for me

[Cherie]

Going to spoil my vote, first time ever

[Crimson Dynamo]

Going to spoil my vote, first time ever

"F.uck you Obama" in thick felt pen?

[Cherie]

"F.uck you Obama" in thick felt pen?

:laugh: might just do that

[Cherie]

Remember as a child wondering how people managed to spoil their votes when it was just putting a cross in a box :laugh:

[Alf]

Make sure you vote (That includes you, Arista)

It will be interesting to see how Tibb votes compared to the majority of the country.

"Honesty" is all I ask for. I think I deserve your honesty after the years of honesty I've given to you over the years on this forum.

[hijaxers]

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I have no candidate for who i want to vote for so ?????

So i voted in your poll who i would have voted if there was a candidate. In real election , I may well spoil.

[GoldHeart]

Going to spoil my vote, first time ever

Never understood the point of 'spoiling the vote' , I'm just not going to bother full stop.

[Glenn.]

Never understood the point of 'spoiling the vote' , I'm just not going to bother full stop.

The amount of unneeded effort

[bots]

spoiling a vote takes effort, and you have to make it so that no candidate can claim it is actually a vote for them. Simply not voting conveys exactly the same message without having to do anything.

Spoiling a vote only really means something in countries where voting is compulsory

[joeysteele]

Never understood the point of 'spoiling the vote' , I'm just not going to bother full stop.

I used to agree with that.
However while out canvassing I know of a fair number who want to send an alternative message.
Now maybe they rarely vote anyhow.

I can get where Cherie is coming from and she's in the main a very rational person.
Nearly 34% of voters able to vote in 2019, didn't vote at all
Yet to the political establishment, nothing changes to address that
Despite that high figure not voting.

I'm an advocate for PR, and I know to get that it has to come from one of the bigger 2 Parties.
I'm disappointed it's not in Labours manifesto.
However hope it will be in the next one .
It will never be in a Con manifesto, never ever.

So since we can't get a ballot slip with, none of the above on it.
Maybe the more spoiled ballots may help send a better message to the political establishment.
That people have gone to vote but are so disillusioned and feeling politically homeless that even going out to vote they spoil the ballot paper.

Of course it's annoying for the vote counters who have to separate all the spoiled ballots.
However, if they were valid votes, they'd still have to count them anyway.

Just today, I've been told from 8 people, who have a postal vote, that it's been ripped up and put in the bin.
Thankfully they were usually Con voters.
These were people though in their 70s who are left disillusioned and feeling badly let down.

It's very, very sad.
I'd like to see a political set up where people were welcoming voting because they believed their vote did REALLY count and could make a real positive difference.

[MTVN]

I'm voting Conservative. Said I wouldn't for ages and I neither think they deserve my vote nor any longer in power. But I am ideologically a conservative and think if I don't give them a vote then no one will so yeah. I feel quite comfortable voting Tory knowing that it will not make any real difference

[Alf]

I'm voting Conservative. Said I wouldn't for ages and I neither think they deserve my vote nor any longer in power. But I am ideologically a conservative and think if I don't give them a vote then no one will so yeah. I feel quite comfortable voting Tory knowing that it will not make any real differenceYou may see yourself as "ideologically Conservative" but is the current Conservative party, "Ideologically you?"

They don't sound like it, given you say 'They don't deserve your vote"

What if the Conservative Party got infiltrated by non-Conservaties?

[joeysteele]

I'm voting Conservative. Said I wouldn't for ages and I neither think they deserve my vote nor any longer in power. But I am ideologically a conservative and think if I don't give them a vote then no one will so yeah. I feel quite comfortable voting Tory knowing that it will not make any real difference

I understand that MTVN.
I admire your loyalty.

I can't bear these Cons at present but I'm coming across so many voters while canvassing who have voted Con for decades.
Who feel they cannot now, or will be holding their noses this time.
That's sad.

A lady I talked to a while back now, she is 88, since 1959 she's voted every election for the Cons.
Reluctantly in 2019 because she thought Johnson an idiot.

She intends to vote and is battling emotionally who to vote for now.
I really feel for her, her lifelong allegiance she feels has to be changed at 88 years old
I was Just pleased to hear her say that she could never vote however for Reform.

[MTVN]

You may see yourself as "ideologically Conservative" but is the current Conservative party, "Ideologically you?"

They don't sound like it, given you say 'They don't deserve your vote"

What if the Conservative Party got infiltrated by non-Conservaties?

No it isn't but the current conservative party is not the forever conservative party. I always think it's better to effect change from within than throw the baby out with the bathwater

It's similar to Starmer and his comments on Labour 2019 - he didn't think they'd win and he didn't like Corbyn but he wanted to support Labour values. They got battered then but 5 years later they're on the verge of a massive majority. It'll take longer for the Tory party but this could still be an opportunity to rebuild the party.

[MTVN]

I understand that MTVN.
I admire your loyalty.

I can't bear these Cons at present but I'm coming across so many voters while canvassing who have voted Con for decades.
Who feel they cannot now, or will be holding their noses this time.
That's sad.

A lady I talked to a while back now, she is 88, since 1959 she's voted every election for the Cons.
Reluctantly in 2019 because she thought Johnson an idiot.

She intends to vote and is battling emotionally who to vote for now.
I really feel for her, her lifelong allegiance she feels has to be changed at 88 years old
I was Just pleased to hear her say that she could never vote however for Reform.

Indeed many of those very unhappy with the state of the Tory party but also don't think Reform is the answer. It will be interesting to see where that demographic ultimately puts their cross when push comes to shove

[Alf]

No it isn't but the current conservative party is not the forever conservative party. I always think it's better to effect change from within than throw the baby out with the bathwater

It's similar to Starmer and his comments on Labour 2019 - he didn't think they'd win and he didn't like Corbyn but he wanted to support Labour values. They got battered then but 5 years later they're on the verge of a massive majority. It'll take longer for the Tory party but this could still be an opportunity to rebuild the party.Right now, there's very little hope that you're changing the established parties from within. They no longer exist. They're controlled by the money. The people they parade out for you now in these parties are all bought and paid for puppets. They don't represent us, they represent their pay masters.

[Mystic Mock]

I'm not voting for any of these lot.

[Mystic Mock]

Never understood the point of 'spoiling the vote' , I'm just not going to bother full stop.

This.

Plus tbh I've never registered to vote anyway.

I will probably do it someday, maybe when I'm not such a lazy bastard.:joker:

[Mystic Mock]

Right now, there's very little hope that you're changing the established parties from within. They no longer exist. They're controlled by the money. The people they parade out for you now in these parties are all bought and paid for puppets. They don't represent us, they represent their pay masters.

I 100% agree with this.

There are imo people running things behind the scenes, and they pass off their ideas as a Sunak policy (or soon to be a Starmer policy,) and I can definitely take a guess at who our so-called leaders are answering to.

[Cherie]

Never understood the point of 'spoiling the vote' , I'm just not going to bother full stop.

It is a form of protest, just like not voting, Women died have the right to vote and still dont in many countries so I would never not vote

[Cherie]

spoiling a vote takes effort, and you have to make it so that no candidate can claim it is actually a vote for them. Simply not voting conveys exactly the same message without having to do anything.

Spoiling a vote only really means something in countries where voting is compulsory

I have always voted and so not to vote would really irk me especially as women in some countries dont have a say, I dont think my vote will be counted :laugh:

[Cherie]

This.

Plus tbh I've never registered to vote anyway.

I will probably do it someday, maybe when I'm not such a lazy bastard.:joker:

Men have always had the vote Mock, its very important to me to use my vote and make the effort (the 5 minute walk to the polling booth with the dog)

I think its sad you are not registered to vote, you are basically denying yourself a voice and not participating in democracy

[Mystic Mock]

Men have always had the vote Mock, its very important to me to use my vote and make the effort (the 5 minute walk to the polling booth with the dog)

I think its sad you are not registered to vote, you are basically denying yourself a voice and not participating in democracy

Fair play from your perspective, I understand where you're coming from.

The reason why I'm not registered is down to pure laziness on my part tbh, I know that I should register eventually, but I don't think that it'll be for Starmer or Sunak.

[Cherie]

Fair play from your perspective, I understand where you're coming from.

The reason why I'm not registered is down to pure laziness on my part tbh, I know that I should register eventually, but I don't think that it'll be for Starmer or Sunak.

Fair enough :laugh:

I would also point out that there are countries in 2024 where women can still not vote so I feel I would be letting them down if I didn't use mine

[Mystic Mock]

Fair enough :laugh:

I would also point out that there are countries in 2024 where women can still not vote so I feel I would be letting them down if I didn't use mine

I 100% get where you're coming from with that sentiment.

And hopefully those countries in question will allow their women to vote someday.

[Ammi]

…for me, a spoilt vote does make sense and is entirely different from a no vote stance…

…a no vote can have many reasons and obviously a main one of those reasons is a ‘not bothering’ stance…but a spoilt vote indicates that this was a voter who does want to ‘bother’, is committed to ‘bothering’ etc…but who is disengaged completely from the policies and beliefs being offered to them and the politics of their country…it’s a missed opportunity for a party to have engaged that person and that’s important to know in the voting system…how many potential votes could have been given because those spoilt votes wanted to vote and wen through the whole process of doing so…

[Cherie]

…for me, a spoilt vote does make sense and is entirely different from a no vote stance…

…a no vote can have many reasons and obviously a main one of those reasons is a ‘not bothering’ stance…but a spoilt vote indicates that this was a voter who does want to ‘bother’, is committed to ‘bothering’ etc…but who is disengaged completely from the policies and beliefs being offered to them and the politics of their country…it’s a missed opportunity for a party to have engaged that person and that’s important to know in the voting system…how many potential votes could have been given because those spoilt votes wanted to vote and wen through the whole process of doing so…

You said it better than I could Ammi :love:

[joeysteele]

…for me, a spoilt vote does make sense and is entirely different from a no vote stance…

…a no vote can have many reasons and obviously a main one of those reasons is a ‘not bothering’ stance…but a spoilt vote indicates that this was a voter who does want to ‘bother’, is committed to ‘bothering’ etc…but who is disengaged completely from the policies and beliefs being offered…it’s a missed opportunity for a party to have engaged that person and that’s important to know in the voting system…how many potential votes could have been given because those spoilt votes wanted to vote and wen through the whole process of doing so…

I 100% agree Ammi .

The political establishment has taken no notice whatsoever of falling turnouts at elections.

However they have to announce how many spoiled ballots papers there are at every result.

More of them MAY ( one can hope) that more notice would be taken as to spoiled ballots
As to the counters who have to separate them from all other votes
The returning officers who have to announce their total.
Plus candidates and Parties realising the number of votes ruined because people feel badly disillusioned and longing to feel their votes make a difference and are valued .

[Livia]

I'm voting for Reform. I think the Conservatives will be all but wiped out where I live, Labour has no chance so that leaves me with LibDems, Greens or Reform. So Reform it is.

[bots]

my constituency is brand new and had all the labour voters removed from it in boundary changes, so it will be really interesting how it all pans out. I think it was something like the 2nd safest seat in the country for the tories :laugh:

[smudgie]

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I am voting for our local Tory candidate.
He has worked his backside off since he was voted in.