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Probably too many threads on the Euro's as it is...
Italy have looked awful, i actually think Switzerland will get through here
Crimson Dynamo
29-06-2024, 04:10 PM
My mate and his wife are at this game. Below is their cat 1 unrestricted view..:skull:
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Switzerland deserved that, Italy been terrible
yep, the swiss are far better
Italy not in the game and now 1:0 down
Wonder if there manager will do a Southgate!??
Do nothing ?
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boom, what a goal 2-0
Puts their draw with Scotland into perspective
They've been sooooo bad! Wish i'd put a bet on the Swiss now, probably good odds.
They've been sooooo bad! Wish i'd put a bet on the Swiss now, probably good odds.
It’s seriously just like watching England play in Chelsea colours !
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James
29-06-2024, 05:22 PM
Italy yet to have a shot on target.
Crimson Dynamo
29-06-2024, 05:23 PM
Italy giving me England vibes
James
29-06-2024, 05:23 PM
Italy yet to have a shot on target.
They just mention that as I am typing it.
Its possibly best to lose all the crappy, boring teams ( Italy and sadly us ) sooner rather than later then the quality of football in the coming weeks will be so much better to enjoy
It’s tough to take but we have stunk the place out so far
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Xhaka is gradually becoming the player of the tournament !
After a brilliant last season with Arsenal and more recently arguably one of the top 5 players in the German league where his club won the league with him as captain and went the season unbeaten !
What a turnaround for him given the career low point at arsenal a few years ago
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rusticgal
29-06-2024, 05:33 PM
It’s seriously just like watching England play in Chelsea colours !
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It is…
Italy giving me England vibes
Great minds
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England's path to the final just gets easier :dance:
Crimson Dynamo
29-06-2024, 06:04 PM
England's path to the final just gets easier :dance:
As it stands there is no way England beat Switzerland
something has to seriously click tomorrow or they will be well beaten by the swiss IF they win tomorrow and that is a big IF
As it stands there is no way England beat Switzerland
something has to seriously click tomorrow or they will be well beaten by the swiss IF they win tomorrow and that is a big IF
With Southgate’s luck Xhaka will probably come down with a mystery illness
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Only Southgate can mess this up ( again)
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The Swiss are no pushovers. Italy would have been the easier england option
As it stands there is no way England beat Switzerland
something has to seriously click tomorrow or they will be well beaten by the swiss IF they win tomorrow and that is a big IF
Rubbish :joker:
As if we wouldn't beat the puny Swiss
Danes playing very well
To think everyone went mad that we only drew with them
Crimson Dynamo
29-06-2024, 08:39 PM
Never a pen
Disgraceful
GiRTh
29-06-2024, 08:52 PM
This is what you do to Denmark, not that insipid England performance.
some very dodgy decisions in favour of germany
GiRTh
29-06-2024, 09:13 PM
Unlucky Denmark
Mystic Mock
29-06-2024, 10:18 PM
God Italy were dreadful.
And the ITV commentators were so bitter that Germany won, it was funny.:laugh:
Mystic Mock
29-06-2024, 10:21 PM
some very dodgy decisions in favour of germany
Tbf, Germany did have two goals disallowed that were contentious to say the least.
Tbf, Germany did have two goals disallowed that were contentious to say the least.
VAR is ruining football
Lukaku has apparently vowed to not celebrate if he scores as he’s already had 3 goals disallowed by VAR
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Mystic Mock
30-06-2024, 06:25 AM
VAR is ruining football
Lukaku has apparently vowed to not celebrate if he scores as he’s already had 3 goals disallowed by VAR
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Imo the Euros is getting VAR to work faster (which is a huge plus for me,) but ultimately it's some of the actual rules of the game itself that needs fixing up, because it makes VAR look really bad under certain scenarios.
I mean how that was a penalty to Germany last night was a joke.:laugh:
Crimson Dynamo
30-06-2024, 10:16 AM
2 terrible decisions
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no Palmer again or Gordon :laugh:
Crimson Dynamo
30-06-2024, 03:03 PM
no Palmer again or Gordon :laugh:
Pathetic
:mad:
Crimson Dynamo
30-06-2024, 03:04 PM
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Wow they dwarfed us in the tunnel ..
Looks like year 7 vs year 11
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Part of me wants us to get hammered 5:0 forcing Southgate to resign immediately after the game !!
I heard a rumour that Pep is lined up to replace Southgate .. so we could be World Cup winners in two years time !!
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I think this is the formation that allows stones his freedom to come through in midfield.
If he does, england score.
goldbridge is having a fit :laugh:
poor start from england
We are passing badly again
Should be two down already
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3 times Slovakia could have scored
Guihi and Mainoo both booked so neither can make a tackle now
Guihi misses the next game as well ffs
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there are going to be red cards in this game
Trippier first two passes have been a hospital ball and the other into rowZ
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Why can’t we make even simple passes !!!
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This is a bloody nightmare start FFS
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Crimson Dynamo
30-06-2024, 04:18 PM
Bellingham got the ball first and gets booked?
Bellingham got the ball first and gets booked?
i predict 2 or 3 red cards
We need TAA on as he’d be able to hit long balls into the space in front of Foden
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They look more comfortable on the ball than us !!
How can that possibly be ?
Oh yes its a shitty system
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I’d replace Bellingham and Mainoo now before one or both get sent off ..
Wharton and Palmer on pronto
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GiRTh
30-06-2024, 04:25 PM
:dance:
GiRTh
30-06-2024, 04:26 PM
Who will England's next manager. This cannot carry on. :laugh:
GiRTh
30-06-2024, 04:27 PM
Is that it. Gotta say, I cant see England getting back into this game. If it goes to penalties I dont see England winning.
slovakia are a mediocre team at best :laugh:
Great shot by Mainoo !!
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slovakia are a mediocre team at best :laugh:
They look fabulous compared to us
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See Guihi couldn’t put a tackle in as he’s on a booking - just like I said
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"Southgate is a tractor, his only purpose is to spread sh it" Goldbridge 2024 :laugh:
This says it all
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I don’t know one single player in their team !!
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Its calling for TAA and his long passing to stretch the game and tuen their defenders
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The game is passing us by
Make some changes Southgate !
If they score again we are fekin doomed
Foden / Bellingham / Saka/ Mainoo / Guihi all off for different reasons
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GiRTh
30-06-2024, 04:42 PM
Southgate changes one player and we're expecting what? Even if they get to the next stage sack southgate
Please don’t let it be Karen Carney preaching to us at half time !!
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The game is passing us by
Make some changes Southgate !
If they score again we are fekin doomed
Foden / Bellingham / Saka/ Mainoo / Guihi all off for different reasons
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I’d take Walker and Trippier off as well if we were allowed 7 substitutions
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Crimson Dynamo
30-06-2024, 04:45 PM
Genuine garbage negative sh.ite
His IQ ?
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Kane’s volley was heading back to the corner flag !https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240630/b32deb710ba1a7f387222bcfbb2f5392.jpg
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Genuine garbage negative sh.ite
This is nothing new though !!!
Time after time , year after year, tournament after tournament
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the team is completely unbalanced, thats the basic problem
GiRTh
30-06-2024, 04:58 PM
I bet Gareth makes one change if that.
Crimson Dynamo
30-06-2024, 05:00 PM
I thought Biden's performance was bad..
I bet Gareth makes one change if that.
they have the players to turn it around and win comfortably, if Southgate has the intelligence to do it
Gary Neville nailed it
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they have the players to turn it around and win comfortably, if Southgate has the intelligence to do it
He hasn’t the courage nor tactical awareness
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Crimson Dynamo
30-06-2024, 05:04 PM
F me sideways no changes
GiRTh
30-06-2024, 05:05 PM
No changes. :joker: Sack him even if they get thru..
I'm not gonna miss Gareth digging his heels in. I think that why he's made no changes. HE's being stubborn
GiRTh
30-06-2024, 05:06 PM
they have the players to turn it around and win comfortably, if Southgate has the intelligence to do itBaffling. I think he's digging his heels in and I'm not gonna miss it about him.
GiRTh
30-06-2024, 05:10 PM
Foden looks off side.
Rice unable to make a simple through ball
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They are leading yet they ARE making TWO substitutions
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GiRTh
30-06-2024, 05:20 PM
They are leading yet they ARE making TWO substitutions
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Rice unable to make a simple through ball
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Absolutely useless free kick- Foden
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Crimson Dynamo
30-06-2024, 05:21 PM
Has Rice made one forward pass yet?
GiRTh
30-06-2024, 05:21 PM
This is embarrassing. Still no changes
Gallagher warming up
Fek me sideways
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Vanessa
30-06-2024, 05:23 PM
Its not looking good, guys :(
Southgate is gonna have s substitute forced on him ..
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GiRTh
30-06-2024, 05:23 PM
Palmer coming on
GiRTh
30-06-2024, 05:24 PM
At least he hasnt taken Saka off.
Bellingham is plodding through custard
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Palmer coming on
To replace Pickford ?
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Palmer amazing ball into the box after 50 seconds
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Why is Foden taking free kicks / corners ?
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they may get lucky and get an equaliser
Palmer is already our man of match
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They may well score now but why are Bellingham and Foden still on the pitch when they have both been useless
It makes zero sense to persist with them with the subs we have available
Its just pure madness
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They are warming up more substitutes
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They may well score now but why are Bellingham and Foden still on the pitch when they have both been useless
It makes zero sense to persist with them with the subs we have available
Its just pure madness
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why have subs, many of them are game changers too
These unknowns are running circles around us
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why have subs, many of them are game changers too
I am bemused
14 minutes left
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Gareth can’t think of substitutes as he’s planning his after match resignation speech !’
10
Minutes
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I didn’t even know Harry Kane had a twin brother
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Vanessa
30-06-2024, 05:41 PM
Omg that was so close!
What was that line from Einstein ?
The definition of madness is to keep doing the same thing expecting a different outcome
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7 minutes
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he has taken off Mainoo :laugh:
GiRTh
30-06-2024, 05:44 PM
WHy take of Mainoo but Walker stays on. Baffling.
Maybe it’s time for Harry to resign as well
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Rice losing it in a dangerous situation, needlessly
3 minutes
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Shitty ball from Foden ..
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England are boring, everywhere they go. Everywhere they go.
Just think
If we had had a competent manager/coach fot the last 8 years we would probably won 3 competitions already with a fourth likely
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that was bloody lucky :laugh:
Luckiest manager ever
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Vanessa
30-06-2024, 05:55 PM
Yes woooooo get in there! :cheer2:
my prediction was 1-1 :smug:
Crimson Dynamo
30-06-2024, 05:57 PM
What the f.uck is Bellingham having it the chatter reaction to the fans. Clown
Just remember
All this is DESPITE the interference of Southgate
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GiRTh
30-06-2024, 05:58 PM
Thats spolit the script. Please let this be the last of Southgate.
Vanessa
30-06-2024, 05:58 PM
Come on we can do this! :hello:
Right
Presuming we get through this …
Then it’s penalties - who takes them apart from Toney and Palmer ?
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england will win it in extra time
We now have an extra sub
Make the three subs NOW !!
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england will win it in extra time
:laugh:
GiRTh
30-06-2024, 06:04 PM
We were so close to the end of Southgate. England will win now.
Vanessa
30-06-2024, 06:05 PM
Goaaaaal! Wooooooo :dance:
england will win it in extra time
Quite possibly
Sadly he will start the next game with the old 11 players and we will be back to square one again
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We were so close to the end of Southgate. England will win now.
Yeah
Mixed emotions
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Slovakia are mentally burnt out now, so it should be comfortable now
Slovakia are mentally burnt out now, so it should be comfortable now
They look full of fight though
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Who is playing LB now ?
Ezi ?
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GiRTh
30-06-2024, 06:10 PM
Foden comes off and England look a bit better Hmmmmm :think:
I like Toney and Kane as a two
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Vanessa
30-06-2024, 06:11 PM
I won't have a voice left tomorrow. I'm screaming so loud :joker:
Foden comes off and England look a bit better Hmmmmm :think:
He was absolute pants today and in previous games but apparently he’s a generational talent
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We ain’t beating Switzerland with Gareth’s usual starting eleven and game plan
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GiRTh
30-06-2024, 06:13 PM
He was absolute pants today and in previous games but apparently he’s a generational talent
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We ain’t beating Switzerland with Gareth’s usual starting eleven and game plan
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maybe it will all come together :laugh:
Luckiest manager ever !
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GiRTh
30-06-2024, 06:17 PM
maybe it will all come together :laugh::laugh::laugh:
maybe it will all come together :laugh:
Not according to Einstein
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Saka amd Palmer link up well together..
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Vanessa
30-06-2024, 06:18 PM
There's another 15 minutes to play? Oh no :facepalm:
Kane off
Hopefully we dont go to penalties
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GiRTh
30-06-2024, 06:21 PM
Takes off Kane and Bellingham. What happens if it goes to penalties?
There's another 15 minutes to play? Oh no :facepalm:
Yeah
Plus he’s doing his usual thing of sitting back welcoming pressure when we get ahead
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Vanessa
30-06-2024, 06:23 PM
Takes off Kane and Bellingham. What happens if it goes to penalties?
They can still use him. No?
Takes off Kane and Bellingham. What happens if it goes to penalties?
He’s an imbecile
I half expected him to take off Toney and Palmer
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GiRTh
30-06-2024, 06:25 PM
They can still use him. No?No
Vanessa
30-06-2024, 06:25 PM
No
Oh no
They can still use him. No?
Nope
Only those on the pitch at the time as far as I know
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Vanessa
30-06-2024, 06:26 PM
Nope
Only those on the pitch at the time as far as I know
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He better put him back in than :fist:
Why bring on Gallagher
He’s simply not international standard
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We were so close to the end of Southgate. England will win now.
It’s only a matter of time before his luck let’s him down
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Crimson Dynamo
30-06-2024, 06:31 PM
Terrible performance
Well
What a horrible experience
Why sit back and encourage them to attack?
We do that time after time
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GiRTh
30-06-2024, 06:40 PM
Rice getting angry at the end.
Vanessa
30-06-2024, 06:41 PM
We're through! Get in there!:dance::cheer2:
Vanessa
30-06-2024, 06:41 PM
Rice getting angry at the end.
Omg there was fighting :shocked:
Toney just saved/protected Rice at the end of the when their staff were going for Rice after the whistle
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that was a terrible game to watch
Hopefully Southgate will tend his resignation in the coming hours a
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kane ..... "the fans at home will have enjoyed that ...." hmmmm, i don't think so :laugh:
Vanessa
30-06-2024, 06:47 PM
kane ..... "the fans at home will have enjoyed that ...." hmmmm, i don't think so :laugh:
It was so tense. Omg :bawling:
Livia
30-06-2024, 06:48 PM
I'm loving Ness being the only supporter on the thread and she's Italian!
I'm loving Ness being the only supporter on the thread and she's Italian!
:laugh:
Vanessa
30-06-2024, 06:51 PM
I do always support Italy and England. Really happy that one of my favorite teams are through :amazed:
Southgate even gets lucky after the game!!
Gary Neville and Ian Wright were ready to slaughter Southgate just then but the host stopped them in their tracks saying that they had to concentrate on the Spain match !!
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kane ..... "the fans at home will have enjoyed that ...." hmmmm, i don't think so :laugh:
I didn’t even listen to his predictable nonsense
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Vanessa
30-06-2024, 06:56 PM
This should be an easy win for Spain.
Just watch Spain get knocked out leaving an easier opponent for England in the final
Then we get outplayed and beaten by Slovenia or Georgia
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Vanessa
30-06-2024, 07:00 PM
Just watch Spain get knocked out leaving an easier opponent for England in the final
Then we get outplayed and beaten by Slovenia ..
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Spain hasn't lost a game yet....
Spain hasn't lost a game yet....
Yeah . They have a few Barca players in the squad - I love watching Spain
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Spain play a different game to us
Unlike us they have evolved
They still are possession based but will mix things up and be unpredictable
The polar opposite to us
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is yamal the wonder kid that could move to PSG?
is yamal the wonder kid that could move to PSG?
He’s still at school..
He better not be going there !!
Yamal has been far better than Foden despite being EIGHT years younger
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Spain have played more football in this first eight minutes than we have in 4 matches
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Who would have thought Cucurella would be the best LB at the Euros
LOL
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I don’t understand why we spend all our time passing BACKWARDS whilst Spain just seem
to play forward passes !!??
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Just watch Spain get knocked out leaving an easier opponent for England in the final
Then we get outplayed and beaten by Slovenia or Georgia
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Told ya !
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Vanessa
30-06-2024, 07:34 PM
I spoke too soon :laugh:
Vanessa
30-06-2024, 07:39 PM
Yes Spain. Get in there! Goal!
What a shot with his weaker foot from Rodri
Also what a pass for the assist as well
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Yes Spain. Get in there! Goal!
Look how Spain react to going one goal down compared to Southgate’s idea
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Vanessa
30-06-2024, 07:43 PM
Look how Spain react to going one goal down compared to Southgate’s idea
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Their attack is excellent
I wonder why Rodri tucks in his shirt for ManC but not for Spain ???
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Their attack is excellent
Ours would be under a more positive manager/coach
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Vanessa
30-06-2024, 07:47 PM
I like Spain, but I'm hoping a different team wins the Euros. This is way too easy.
Pedri is the player Foden aspires to be ..
( Pedri has been dominating games playimg that free role for the last 3 or 4 years though and he’s still only 21 )
I seem to recall he was THE player of the last Euros as well.
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I like Spain, but I'm hoping a different team wins the Euros. This is way too easy.
I like teams who play nice football to win tournaments
That way the other teams will follow suit just aa all teams copied Pep’s idea of playing out from the back
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Southgate talking absolute bollox in his after match apeech - no wonder the players are befuddled
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Bloody Eniola Aluko is an expert pundit …
Check her skills out
https://x.com/khan971i/status/1802749083079065636?s=46
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Look at those two consecutive touches from Yamal !!
First an amazing long shot nearly scoring then two seconds later provides a dream like cross for the goal
Ridiculous for a 16 year old kid
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Spain 2:1
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GiRTh
30-06-2024, 08:27 PM
Spain purring along.
All the chances Spain creates each game suggests that some team is gonna get pummelled 7:0 or something
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What a goal but what an assist from player of the tournament Fabián Ruiz
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I reckon Georgia would beat us comfortably so we have xeeo chances against Spain imho
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some great football
4:1
Could easily been 10:1
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Bloody Eniola Aluko is an expert pundit …
Check her skills out
https://x.com/khan971i/status/1802749083079065636?s=46
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She’s just found fault with Yamal saying he’s very one footed ..
Check her footage above- she wasn’t any footed
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Just saw the replay of the winning goal
Palmer .. Eze .. Toney .. Kane
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Southgate just revealed that Ivan Toney was pretty disgusted with him for putting him on in the last minute with England 1:0 down
Toney was rightly disgraceful imho
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Eni Aluko again offers nothing more than sound bites and cliche’s
Belgium are their own worst enemies.. a golden generation.. De Bruyne - Lukaku ..
Wow , groundbreaking stuff , darlin’
Pointless
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Mystic Mock
30-06-2024, 10:02 PM
I like teams who play nice football to win tournaments
That way the other teams will follow suit just aa all teams copied Pep’s idea of playing out from the back
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I just want the best team to win.
Something that the Referees do like to try and put a stop to sometimes.
Mystic Mock
30-06-2024, 10:05 PM
I reckon Georgia would beat us comfortably so we have xeeo chances against Spain imho
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Georgia wouldn't beat England.
They're a weaker team than Slovakia and Slovenia.
Bellingham is starring to remind me of Zidane. I see lots of Zidane in him.
Top class players come up with top class plays and create top class moments.
Unbeaten. Your best two players are scoring goals. Into the Quater finals.
A lot be happy with.
Mystic Mock
01-07-2024, 06:10 AM
Bellingham is starring to remind me of Zidane. I see lots of Zidane in him.
Top class players come up with top class plays and create top class moments.
Unbeaten. Your best two players are scoring goals. Into the Quater finals.
A lot be happy with.
You're saying that we had a player at the quality of Zidane, and we let him go to Dortmund even though he wanted to stay? That sounds like Blues alright.:laugh:
Absolutely buzzing still after that win!
What a night, what a team, what a manager
Absolutely buzzing still after that win!
What a night, what a team, what a manager
It’s a tad early to be hitting the mini-bar isn’t it ?
:)
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Southgate has defended his late/lack of substitutes by saying that we couldn’t change the shape of the team ..
I am seriously worried about his competence to do the job
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It’s a tad early to be hitting the mini-bar isn’t it ?
:)
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Only drunk on the success of England and Gareth once more
Time to get on board Zizu, it's coming home!
Only drunk on the success of England and Gareth once more
Time to get on board Zizu, it's coming home!
Are you Spanish or German ?
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Stuart Pearce has said that he can no
longer defend his long time friend and colleague and worries that we are getting worse each game !
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Georgia wouldn't beat England.
They're a weaker team than Slovakia and Slovenia.
Really ?
Georgia have been impressive I think
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Mystic Mock
01-07-2024, 08:58 AM
Really ?
Georgia have been impressive I think
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So have Slovakia tbf.
I controversially don't believe that England are the worst performing team at the last 16 (that would be Italy by some distance imo) yeah we've been bad, but I do believe that of the huge teams that are still left in the competition that France are playing worse than England.
And I do also think that England are also better than Slovenia and Turkey, and possibly Belgium (as they did lose to Slovakia this tournament.)
I don't know if England are actually quite as bad as we're all thinking, yes we've been underwhelming and we're clearly not the best team in the competition, but I could see England actually having a competitive match with every team bar Spain and Germany.
So have Slovakia tbf.
I controversially don't believe that England are the worst performing team at the last 16 (that would be Italy by some distance imo) yeah we've been bad, but I do believe that of the huge teams that are still left in the competition that France are playing worse than England.
And I do also think that England are also better than Slovenia and Turkey, and possibly Belgium (as they did lose to Slovakia this tournament.)
I don't know if England are actually quite as bad as we're all thinking, yes we've been underwhelming and we're clearly not the best team in the competition, but I could see England actually having a competitive match with every team bar Spain and Germany.
Wow
I admire your optimism unless you have also hit the mini-bar !?
:)
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Interesting to note that Slovakia had to play their hearts out to get through to last night’s game when we had already qualified for our third game
Plus we had an extra day of rest more than them !!
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Crimson Dynamo
01-07-2024, 02:03 PM
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hope this is an open game and ends up a cracker
Crimson Dynamo
01-07-2024, 04:50 PM
Boring half
booooooooo
Interesting to see that two managers in particular are being criticised for poor squad selections / team selections / tactics and quality of football .. Southgate and Deschamps … and they are the two longest serving managers at the Euros !!
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England much better than both these teams
England much better than both these teams
At what ?
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England much better than both these teams
well thats not entirely accurate, but they are pretty crap :laugh:
this has been a stinker, i really hope it doesn't go to extra time
Crimson Dynamo
01-07-2024, 05:40 PM
England much better than both these teams
:joker:
Crimson Dynamo
01-07-2024, 05:46 PM
FLUKE GOAL
Crimson Dynamo
01-07-2024, 05:49 PM
This slow progressive build-up game after game where CB’s see the majority of the ball is
killing football as a product.
LET THE GOALIE PUNT IT UPFIELD AND GET ATTACKING
:facepalm:
Ha
Belgium make two subs with TWO minutes to go .. they are losing 1:0
That trick only works for Gareth ‘lucky bastard’ Southgate mate
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Belgium going out to a massively deflected goal !!
Couldn’t happen to a more miserable beggar … KDB
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Crimson Dynamo
01-07-2024, 05:51 PM
KDB does not beat the first man with his corner
dud
KDB’s corners are as useless as Foden’s
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KDB does not beat the first man with his corner
dud
You beat me to it !!
He had one job with seconds to go and he hits the first ( tiny) French player !
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Crimson Dynamo
01-07-2024, 05:59 PM
Belgium stunk out the tournament so good riddance
This slow progressive build-up game after game where CB’s see the majority of the ball is
killing football as a product.
LET THE GOALIE PUNT IT UPFIELD AND GET ATTACKING
:facepalm:
I blame ( supposed genius) PepG !!
I much prefer the new Spain way of ball retention PLUS the long ball / quick breakaway option !!
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