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Gareth Southgate has spoken via the Football Association website to fans.
He starts with: "As a proud Englishman, it has been the honour of my life to play for England and to manage England. It has meant everything to me, and I have given it my all.
"But it’s time for change, and for a new chapter. Sunday’s final in Berlin against Spain was my final game as England manager."
Crimson Dynamo
16-07-2024, 10:09 AM
won nothing
No more finals for us then. Sad.
won nothing
He won all of our hearts
won nothing
which is quite an achievement given the pool of players he has had to pick from. Well done Gareth, sorry to see you go
Cherie
16-07-2024, 10:11 AM
I think it was the right time, think he was sick of the abuse, lets see who is incoming apparently Graham Potter wants the job :laugh:
My son wants Thomas Tuchel
I think it was the right time, think he was sick of the abuse, lets see who is incoming apparently Graham Potter wants the job :laugh:
My son wants Thomas Tuchel
Frank Lampard is sitting by the phone
Cherie
16-07-2024, 10:12 AM
which is quite an achievement given the pool of players he has had to pick from. Well done Gareth, sorry to see you go
Agree with you I think he always upheld himself with dignity
Cherie
16-07-2024, 10:14 AM
Frank Lampard is sitting by the phone
I hope not! Roy Keane was a terrible manager and then went on the be No. 2 for Ireland and look where that ended.... stick to punditry Frank
Some amazing memories from Gareth
- World Cup semi final in 2018 with a rubbish team
- Beating the Germans in 2021
- 2021 Euros final and that whole tournament in the middle of Covid
- 2024 Euros final again
Whooooooooo hooooo !!!!
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arista
16-07-2024, 10:26 AM
Whooooooooo hooooo !!!!
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Crimson Dynamo
16-07-2024, 10:40 AM
8 years in charge
won Zero
FAILURE
UserSince2005
16-07-2024, 10:44 AM
He should stick to women, he doesnt know how to handle men, typical straight
thesheriff443
16-07-2024, 10:46 AM
8 years in charge
won Zero
FAILURE
From not qualifying to getting us into finals is not a failure
Anyway your not even English so your ramblings don’t count
8 years in charge
won Zero
FAILURE
The calls have started for him to be knighted and get a bladdy statue
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The FA statement thanks him for the player development !!!
Name one player that looks better playing under Southgate ffs
Pep , Arteta, Klopp and Ange Postecoglou actually improved EVERY single player
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England before Southgate:
2016 Euros: second round (knocked out by Iceland)
2014 World Cup: second round
2012 Euros: QF
2010 World Cup: second round
2008 Euros: did not qualify
England under Southgate
2024 Euros: final
2022 World Cup: QF
2020 Euros: final
2018 World Cup: semi-final
this will mean kane is finished too
Crimson Dynamo
16-07-2024, 10:55 AM
England before Southgate:
2016 Euros: second round (knocked out by Iceland)
2014 World Cup: second round
2012 Euros: QF
2010 World Cup: second round
2008 Euros: did not qualify
England under Southgate
2024 Euros: final
2022 World Cup: QF
2020 Euros: final
2018 World Cup: semi-final
His job is to win, not fail in every competition he entered as an England manager
this will mean kane is finished too
Possibly but not necessarily
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His job is to win, not fail in every competition he entered as an England manager
Can’t understand all the people being gutted he’s gone … have they actually been watching the games or dire football we have been served up over his 100 matches in charge
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smudgie
16-07-2024, 10:59 AM
England before Southgate:
2016 Euros: second round (knocked out by Iceland)
2014 World Cup: second round
2012 Euros: QF
2010 World Cup: second round
2008 Euros: did not qualify
England under Southgate
2024 Euros: final
2022 World Cup: QF
2020 Euros: final
2018 World Cup: semi-final
Exactly.
But the hate has to come before the truth.
Plus he was a well loved and respected boss.
Possibly but not necessarily
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he will be 2 years older when the world cup comes around
smudgie
16-07-2024, 11:09 AM
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Wonder if Eddie Howe will throw his hat in the ring.:shrug:
FA not ruling out an interim manager .. which has to be Lee Carsley …
That could be a nightmare if he gets 4 games and wins them all playing fabulous football then we get a big name manager and get another Sven situation
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Wonder if Eddie Howe will throw his hat in the ring.:shrug:
He is apparently very keen on the job
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he will be 2 years older when the world cup comes around
He’s only 30 .. about 10 years younger than fakeRonaldo
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Gusto Brunt
16-07-2024, 11:16 AM
He was hopeless. No backbone. Good riddance.
He was hopeless. No backbone. Good riddance.
He was a yes man , no problems, no scandals thats why he got and kept the job for so long playing boring , depressing football
Good riddance
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Cherie
16-07-2024, 11:25 AM
Here for Zizu's meltdown when Lamps is appointed :laugh:
Cherie
16-07-2024, 11:26 AM
He’s only 30 .. about 10 years younger than fakeRonaldo
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Ronaldo was more energetic in this Euros than Kane, he should never have played...coming on at 75 minutes should have been what we got with him
GiRTh
16-07-2024, 11:41 AM
:dance:
England before Southgate:
2016 Euros: second round (knocked out by Iceland)
2014 World Cup: second round
2012 Euros: QF
2010 World Cup: second round
2008 Euros: did not qualify
England under Southgate
2024 Euros: final
2022 World Cup: QF
2020 Euros: final
2018 World Cup: semi-final
Look at those “ successes “ .. we beat poor / mediocre teams then everytime we came up against a good team with a competent manager we were beaten.. every single time!
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Crimson Dynamo
16-07-2024, 11:47 AM
Look at those “ successes “ .. we beat poor / mediocre teams then everytime we came up against a good team with a competent manager we were beaten.. every single time!
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8 years of being a flat track bully
Exactly.
But the hate has to come before the truth.
Plus he was a well loved and respected boss.
The players he selected liked him because he let them get away with murder .. just like all those nice teachers at school who everyone loves but don’t necessarily respect
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Wonder if Eddie Howe will throw his hat in the ring.:shrug:
I wonder how the England salary stacks up against the Newcastle one ?
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England under Southgate
2024 Euros: final
2022 World Cup: QF
2020 Euros: final
2018 World Cup: semi-final
…plus what that all has created is a wider public/country interest in England as a team for those who aren’t generally followers of the game…he has had positives impacts, I feel …and things to praise and recognise in his time as manager…
Here for Zizu's meltdown when Lamps is appointed :laugh:
Lampard would be like winning the lottery compared to Gareth Drowsegate .
Its gonna be Cropper
Young , English, clean cut , highly rated at Brighton and AVAILABLE so no compensation to pay
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I’d be happy with Lee Carsley or Graham Potter
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GiRTh
16-07-2024, 12:01 PM
Lampard would be like winning the lottery compared to Gareth Drowsegate .
Its gonna be Cropper
Young , English, clean cut , highly rated at Brighton and AVAILABLE so mo compensation to pay
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GiRTh
16-07-2024, 12:06 PM
Lets see how many Premier league clubs offer GS a job. I'm not gonna hold my breath.
Lee Carsley for me.
Yes .. he apparently has his teams playing great football and has been successful !!
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Lets see how many Premier league clubs offer GS a job. I'm not gonna hold my breath.
This !!
I cannot wait to see the offers coming in from Barnsley and Preston ( if they have teams at the moment)
LOL
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Yes .. he apparently has his teams playing great football and has been successful !!
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProAnd out of that shortlist he has international experience as a player and as the under 21 manager.
And out of that shortlist he has international experience as a player and as the under 21 manager.
I fear the FA may offer him the role as interim manager then give it to Cropper .. they could then fall back on Carsley if Cropper flops
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Nicky91
16-07-2024, 12:17 PM
Christophe Galtier for me :dance:
he is famous for putting ego's in their place, he even had benched Messi, Neymar at PSG
stay away from Peter Bosz though :fist: although he'd make a fab england coach, but stay away from him, he needs to stay at PSV
Nicky91
16-07-2024, 12:19 PM
Galtier/Carsley as a duo would work great too i think
Galtier with the experience, Carsley with the knowledge of the U21 talent who of those got potential for the squad
Hopefully Scotland snaffle him up.
i think southgate is destined to be director of football at some club. He could end up managing the USA at the world cup though, thats got to be an option
Hopefully Scotland snaffle him up.
Moyesy is your man
i think southgate is destined to be director of football at some club. He could end up managing the USA at the world cup though, thats got to be an option
The yanks demand entertainment .. they wouldn’t tolerate his tedious, borefest football
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Eddie Howe has broke ranks and apparently made it known he would react favourably to an offer from the FA !
Wonder how Newcastle bosses will feel about this ?
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Newcastle correspondent states that Newcastle will fight tooth and nail to keep Howe .. he’s apparently on a very lucrative, long term contract that is very complex .
Meaning it is not even just a case of paying a compensation figure and agreeing terms with Howe .. there are other contract considerations
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Moyesy is your manHe wouldn't want to manage England.
He wouldn't want to manage England.
I meant the Scotland job
Cherie
16-07-2024, 03:51 PM
Lampard would be like winning the lottery compared to Gareth Drowsegate .
Its gonna be Cropper
Young , English, clean cut , highly rated at Brighton and AVAILABLE so no compensation to pay
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and tanked at Chelsea :shrug:
GiRTh
16-07-2024, 03:56 PM
Lampard and Gerrard are now considered 'failed' managers and not to be touched but when they had a competitive squad they both did OK. Sounds a bit like Southgate to me. To say Lampard tanked at Chelsea is not seeing everything. During his time there they had a transfer embargo as I recall.
Anyway the point I'm making is I dont think their previous records matters Anyone will be better that Southgate. I bet the England interim manager does better than Southgate cuz Southgate was just that bad.
Cherie
16-07-2024, 05:20 PM
Lampard and Gerrard are now considered 'failed' managers and not to be touched but when they had a competitive squad they both did OK. Sounds a bit like Southgate to me. To say Lampard tanked at Chelsea is not seeing everything. During his time there they had a transfer embargo as I recall.
Anyway the point I'm making is I dont think their previous records matters Anyone will be better that Southgate. I bet the England interim manager does better than Southgate cuz Southgate was just that bad.
He managed them twice...and failed both times, I like Lamps as a player but like Gerrard and Keane he is a failed manager
Potter failed to step up to top 4 team expectations as well and we haven't seen anything of him since so he must be a bit rusty by now, I would probably take John Terry at this stage over any of the above
Crimson Dynamo
16-07-2024, 05:22 PM
Every England manager in the last 58 odd years has failed
Every England manager in the last 58 odd years has failed
What about this man and his 100% win record
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Surely Lampard isn't a serious suggestion :joker:
Absolute joke of a manager
Crimson Dynamo
16-07-2024, 05:29 PM
What about this man and his 100% win record
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He might have won something had he not been stitched up
Cherie
16-07-2024, 05:34 PM
Surely Lampard isn't a serious suggestion :joker:
Absolute joke of a manager
Two names who are being considered by the FA, but are also deemed outside shots of actually getting the job, are Frank Lampard and Steven Gerrard. The pair have plenty of experience taking part in major tournaments with their nation and have embarked on careers as managers following their retirements from playing.
They've had mixed results as coaches, with Lampard spending time with Derby County, Chelsea and Everton, whereas Gerrard earned his stripes at Rangers, before taking charge of Aston Villa. He's now head coach of Al-Ettifaq in Saudi Arabia. Considering neither man has seen too much success as a manager, they aren't likely to be offered the job, but Gary Lineker and Micah Richards recently revealed that they thought Lampard would be a solid choice, so who knows?
https://www.givemesport.com/candidates-to-replace-gareth-southgate-england-revealed/
GiRTh
16-07-2024, 05:37 PM
This is my point. You say Lampard and Gerrard are joke choices but I'm convinced that Southgate was so bad that they'd both be great with competitive players.
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I'm not really saying they were both great at club level, I'm saying GS was so bad that I'm, expecting better even from two 'failed' manager.
James
16-07-2024, 05:41 PM
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GiRTh
16-07-2024, 05:44 PM
Eddie Howe would do better. Even Potter wouldnt show his arse like GS did.
This is my point. You say Lampard and Gerrard are joke choices but I'm convinced that Southgate was so bad that they'd both be great with competitive players.
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I'm not really saying they were both great at club level, I'm saying GS was so bad that I'm, expecting better even from two 'failed' manager.They' have to win a tournament to do better. If they don't do that, then the best they can achieve is equaling what Southgate did.
GiRTh
16-07-2024, 05:56 PM
They' have to win a tournament to do better. If they don't do that, then the best they can achieve is equaling what Southgate did.YEah but if they get to final and actually try to win it. That would be better. WTf is up with 35% possession.
What's the point in winning games with great goals in the last minute of you're striving for no more than 35% possession in the final.,
If I was one of those players I'd be livid. Id be like - Gaffer whats the effing point. Why arent we trying to win.,
Bring back big Sam. He would have gone for it in these tournaments.
Big Sam has the highest win ratio of any England manager - 100%
GiRTh
16-07-2024, 07:51 PM
Big Sam has the highest win ratio of any England manager - 100%Bring him back. I'll take him. I'll take anyone over Southgate. Give me six months training and I reckon I'd do OK.
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GiRTh
16-07-2024, 09:47 PM
Treble winner cant get in the squad. :bored:
arista
17-07-2024, 03:45 AM
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arista
17-07-2024, 03:47 AM
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arista
17-07-2024, 03:58 AM
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Cherie
17-07-2024, 06:12 AM
Treble winner cant get in the squad. :bored:
He hardly played last year and when he did he came off the bench
Incidentally how would you rate Declan Rice's Euro's performance? In my opinion he went missing every game
He hardly played last year and when he did he came off the bench
Incidentally how would you rate Declan Rice's Euro's performance? In my opinion he went missing every game
it's what happens when you play people out of position who are playing with people also out of position.
Southgate should have dropped half the big names in the squad freeing those who were left to play in the positions they are best suited to. Harry Kane shouldn't even have made the squad let alone play every game
Nicky91
17-07-2024, 07:53 AM
i doubt Klopp makes a good national team manager
that is a whole lot different than coaching a club
same that Guardiola wouldn't be a good manager for Spain
or Cannavaro as a manager for Italy, wouldn't work either
or Zidane with France wouldn't work either
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Christophe Galtier and Lee Carsley would be the best choice now, an experienced manager with someone with the knowledge of the national youth teams as his right hand assistent, and i'd say approach someone like Taffarel as goalkeepers coach to work with Pickford to make him even better, and work on getting some great alternate options behind Pickford in case of a injury or absence for another reason or suspension
Nicky.7 of the last 8 world cup winning managers made the transition from clubs to country as managers
He hardly played last year and when he did he came off the bench
Incidentally how would you rate Declan Rice's Euro's performance? In my opinion he went missing every game
Correct
MIA and misplaced passes
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i actually thought that city would offload Grealish during this transfer window, they may still do it
it's what happens when you play people out of position who are playing with people also out of position.
Southgate should have dropped half the big names in the squad freeing those who were left to play in the positions they are best suited to. Harry Kane shouldn't even have made the squad let alone play every game
The crazy thing is that by picking the same damn players each game and getting the same disappointing performance it must have been unbelievably frustrating for all the others
If he’d have stayed on as manager possibly some players may have made themselves unavailable like Ben White did
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Walker had a good Euros and was named in the team of the tournament :shrug:
Trent is and always has been a defensive liability
Walker had a good Euros and was named in the team of the tournament :shrug:
Trent is and always has been a defensive liability
Just watch TAA flourish at Real Madrid All Stars who are set to dominate football for the next decade ..
I can just see TAA sending those long , laser guided passes up to Mbappe and Vinicius
Interestingly my beloved Barca will be reliant on a team of youngsters under 23 plus Lewandowski and Gundogan
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TAA is crap, how many goals did he let in at liverpool in recent times, thats why he was tried in midfield because he couldn't be relied on defensively
TAA is crap, how many goals did he let in at liverpool in recent times, thats why he was tried in midfield because he couldn't be relied on defensively
Philistine !
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Kyle Walker is the best English right back of my lifetime.
I used to be undecided who was best between Gary Neville and Walker. But Walker made my mind up in this tournament and now makes my all time England XI
Kyle Walker is the best English right back of my lifetime.
I used to be undecided who was best between Gary Neville and Walker. But Walker made my mind up in this tournament and now makes my all time England XI
Agreed but like all others he has had a poor tournament
You could argue that Walker was responsible for both Spain goals and two or three other wasted chances !!
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Gusto Brunt
17-07-2024, 10:46 AM
He was a yes man , no problems, no scandals thats why he got and kept the job for so long playing boring , depressing football
Good riddance
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He was seen by the players as a man they could go to, like a very friendly uncle.
That's no good. A manager has to be tough, almost feared by the players, so they have to play a good game.:shocked:
He was too soft.
All the white players played shite, apart from luke shaw.
Crimson Dynamo
17-07-2024, 08:34 PM
All the white players played shite, apart from luke shaw.
You are forgetting Cold
You are forgetting Cold
Who?
If you mean palmer hes of Afro-Kittitian ethnicity from his fathers side.
All the black ethnicity linked players played well...apart from bellingham who's father is white british.
GiRTh
18-07-2024, 09:23 PM
The good news is Southgate's gone finally, the bad news is Potter wants the job.
To all who ridiculed the hiring of say Lampard or Gerrard, how do you feel about Potter as England manager.
My opinion, he's not the most exciting, I just hope he brings some attacking football to the national squad.
I think in this day and age, for national football!
Us the public should pick the players for our nation, maybe in a ballot box type scenario. Those players should then get on with it themselves. With our backing of course.
Ive probably opened another can if worms for left and right to fight at the ballot box though, and depending on the way the political bias is towards at the time maybe some strange players playing for them.
Be good that for an experiment..
Cherie
18-07-2024, 10:20 PM
The good news is Southgate's gone finally, the bad news is Potter wants the job.
To all who ridiculed the hiring of say Lampard or Gerrard, how do you feel about Potter as England manager.
My opinion, he's not the most exciting, I just hope he brings some attacking football to the national squad.
Potter, Lamps and Gerrard are all much off a muchness?
Thought they wanted Pep
i think potter is a better option than lampard. People forget he had brighton playing well and no manager could have coped at chelsea at that time
Mystic Mock
19-07-2024, 06:32 AM
it's what happens when you play people out of position who are playing with people also out of position.
Southgate should have dropped half the big names in the squad freeing those who were left to play in the positions they are best suited to. Harry Kane shouldn't even have made the squad let alone play every game
Tbf, weren't Kane joint leading goalscorer of the tournament?:laugh:
Mystic Mock
19-07-2024, 06:38 AM
The good news is Southgate's gone finally, the bad news is Potter wants the job.
To all who ridiculed the hiring of say Lampard or Gerrard, how do you feel about Potter as England manager.
My opinion, he's not the most exciting, I just hope he brings some attacking football to the national squad.
Potter's a grade above Lampard and Gerrard imo (especially Gerrard,) but he is a massive step down from Southgate imo.
My main issue with Potter is he thinks that he is a better Manager/Coach than he actually is currently, he turned down all of us that went in for him which was potential experience going into this England job down the toilet.
Too many cooks spoil the broth
So I've had a little analyse of why quality players ain't shining as much as you expect them too. I put it down to that you can't have all the superstar players in the same team.
Football is a team sport. Each player has the role that they're an expert of.
Now you've got two quality players, both seen as number 10s in Bellingham and Foden. They both want be the main man for their team. But they need the correct pieces around them to make them shine. When you have two members of your team that want to do the same job, then that's gonna make you weaker.
I can understand that Southgate wants both players on the field because they're both top drawer players and it takes a lot of bottle to leave a player of their quality out of the team.
So my only criticism of Southgate would be that he wasn't brave enough to choose one or the other between Bellingham and Foden.
So I'm saying that they can't be on the field together again if you want to see a more effective team.
I think if your playing a style wanting to keep possession then I'd favour playing foden. But if you want to play more direct and ruthless then Bellingham would be the one.
The only other option for me would be to play Foden a bit deeper in a central midfield role. The way Paul Scholes ended up playing after starting out as an attacker.
GiRTh
19-07-2024, 08:13 PM
I think the key is in defence. The back four needs to include either TAA or John Stones. What that does is it means England play with a back four when out of possession but that changes to a three in possession with one of those two pushing up to play level with Declan Rice. Then we can play Foden and Bellingham together as eights to get the box midfield that all the top managers love. Then you can play your front three who ever they may be.
The only other option for me would be to play Foden a bit deeper in a central midfield role. The way Paul Scholes ended up playing after starting out as an attacker.
He hasn’t got the vision or the passing ability to be anything close to Scholes
The only vague similarity is Scholes couldn’t tackle and Foden is too scared to tackle !!
Have you EVER seen Foden win a tackle !!?
Its crazy that as a midfielder he never gets called out for it
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He hasn’t got the vision or the passing ability to be anything close to Scholes
The only vague similarity is Scholes couldn’t tackle and Foden is too scared to tackle !!
Have you EVER seen Foden win a tackle !!?
Its crazy that as a midfielder he never gets called out for it
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProAgree, he doees't have that mongrel about him that Scholes had. But his balance and first touch on the ball is World class. And these days you're not even allowed to tackle anymore
You probably couldn't play him in there against a top team. But against a lesser team, he could probably dominate a game the way a Scholes or Xavi did when they were in possession of the ball.
And the thing about a team is. You put a player in alongside him to win the ball and then give it to him to play.
And you think he doesn't have the vision to play in there. He's 24. His mature and composed age is just coming up.
You learn through experience. Football is an easy game to play. If you can play it well, like he can, then it's even easier.
Agree, he doees't have that mongrel about him that Scholes had. But his balance and first touch on the ball is World class. And these days you're not even allowed to tackle anymore
You probably couldn't play him in there against a top team. But against a lesser team, he could probably dominate a game the way a Scholes or Xavi did when they were in possession of the ball.
But he’s not even a particularly good passer .. he certainly doesn’t play defence splitting passes
He has a specific skillset .. fast , good balance , great first touch
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But he’s not even a particularly good passer .. he certainly doesn’t play defence splitting passes
He has a specific skillset .. fast , good balance , great first touch
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProHe's good enough at the game to adapt.
There's no place for him and Bellingham in the same role. So he'll have to adapt to keep his place.
And the thing about a team is. You put a player in alongside him to win the ball and then give it to him to play.
Yeah he will take the ball off someone and jink in and out then maybe a give and go with a shot on goal at the end .
Just don’t see him as being that special
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Yeah he will take the ball off someone and jink in and out then maybe a give and go with a shot on goal at the end .
Just don’t see him as being that special
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProWell then there's no place for him, because as talented as he is, he does't have that genius that Bellingham has.
Bellingham is just a more valuable player in my opinion. And the team ain't big enough for the both of them.
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