Leeds

[Alf]

So what's happening in Leeds tonight? Anything interesting?

[UserSince2005]

The media will decide if it is worth us talking about it.

[arista]

Police Car Turned over by Punks

Fire near a bus

[Alf]

Probably just climate change.


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[thesheriff443]

It’s says police called to disturbance at a house at 5pm containing agency workers and some children
It goes onto say more people arrived at the scene and the agency workers and children were removed for their safety

[arista]

Burning a Bus
expensive

[arista]

https://video.dailymail.co.uk/preview/mol/2024/07/18/6007858822273321700/964x580_JPG-SINGLE_6007858822273321700.jpg

[Alf]

Oh great, they've got it under controll.

Just stop living for a while and confine yourselves to your home.


1814017678086127786

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/07/18/22/87513041-13648949-image-m-62_1721337675513.jpg

[arista]

Dumb Punks Destroyed a Hybrid bus

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/07/18/22/87513039-13648949-The_double_decker_bus_was_left_a_twisted_and_smoul dering_wreck_a-m-65_1721338499130.jpg

[thesheriff443]

Oh great, they've got it under controll.

Just stop living for a while and confine yourselves to your home.


1814017678086127786

Better that getting hurt by a mob of scumbags who are cowards unless in a gang

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/07/18/20/87509005-13648949-A_police_car_has_been_overturned_as_disorder_broke _out_in_the_st-m-54_1721330707910.jpg


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13648949/Shocking-video-shows-huge-gang-thugs-overturning-police-car-Leeds.html

[Alf]

Better that getting hurt by a mob of scumbags who are cowards unless in a gangOf course. You have to pay a price. You can't expect this enrichment to be free

[arista]

Alf add "Riot" to your title, please.

[Alf]

Alf add "Riot" to your title, please.It's not a riot. They're just making it homely. Leave them alone.

[arista]

The media will decide if it is worth us talking about it.

GBnews covered it first


SkyNewsHD
BBCnewsHD are now covering it

[thesheriff443]

It's not a riot. They're just making it homely. Leave them alone.

Wish they would come round to yours to see if you show them the same courtesy

[Alf]

Wish they would come round to yours to see if you show them the same courtesyI'm sure they would.

[thesheriff443]

I'm sure they would.

Happy days

[arista]

SkyNewsHD said
it started with Agency Workers
and youths

[Alf]

Looks like the Police have this under control.


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[arista]

It's not a riot. They're just making it homely. Leave them alone.


Wrong Alf
it is a Riot

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/07/18/21/87512029-13648949-image-a-41_1721335031474.jpg


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13648949/Shocking-video-shows-huge-gang-thugs-overturning-police-car-Leeds.html

[Beso]

SkyNewsHD said
it started with Agency Workers
and youths

It started cause a child was taken to hospital with head injuries, and social services got involved.l and took control of the child.


These are also leeds people, born n bred..and definitely not illegal immigrants

And tbh..they have more self worth and an us v them attitude than the people who will claim this is what you get.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/07/18/20/87508927-13648949-image-a-35_1721330326559.jpg

[arista]

PM Starmer
sort Leeds out.

[arista]

Started before it got dark

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/07/18/21/87509311-13648949-Glass_and_debris_lies_on_the_street_as_gangs_of_th ugs_smash_up_a-a-32_1721334099944.jpg

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/07/18/20/87509009-13648949-image-a-56_1721330734248.jpg

[arista]

SkyNewsHD have their young reporter there

Live

[Beso]

SkyNewsHD have their young reporter there

Live

Is she getting approached in the street?

Or is it a bloke.:shrug:

[arista]

Is she getting approached in the street?

Or is it a bloke.:shrug:


Has to be a Fella


No place for a young lady.



to Rough.



Good they have him right there in this Riot

[arista]

SkyNewsHD
Reporter Shingi

Live next to the Burnt shell of a Hybrid Double Decker


Alf is Wrong
SkyNewsHD, Label it
Leeds Riot

[arista]

[Riot thugs torch bus and wreck police
car on night of shame in Leeds:
Residents are told to stay indoors as
huge mob tears
through streets following stand-off with
dozens of officers]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13648949/Shocking-video-shows-huge-gang-thugs-overturning-police-car-Leeds.html

[Police called to residential street in northern
city following 'disturbance'
Incident escalated into rioting,
with a bus torched and bonfires
set in street
Officers and local councillors urge
residents to stay away]

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/07/19/02/87519667-0-image-a-2_1721351366831.jpg


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13649791/Leeds-left-burn-HOURS-riot-police-driven-thugs.html

[Mystic Mock]

It started cause a child was taken to hospital with head injuries, and social services got involved.l and took control of the child.


These are also leeds people, born n bred..and definitely not illegal immigrants

And tbh..they have more self worth and an us v them attitude than the people who will claim this is what you get.

Don't people normally complain when Social Services leave a child to be murdered by their parents?

Why are people in Leeds going mad over them doing their job for once?

[Oliver_W]

Don't people normally complain when Social Services leave a child to be murdered by their parents?

Why are people in Leeds going mad over them doing their job for once?

Apparently the parents ("parents") are from the Romani community, and they're very protective of each other.

[Mystic Mock]

Apparently the parents ("parents") are from the Romani community, and they're very protective of each other.

I like the community spirit I guess.

But they should have a limit towards accepting child abusers into their community.

[bots]

labour finding out that being in government is not easy

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/07/18/23/87515225-13648949-image-m-74_1721342536357.jpg
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/07/18/23/87515223-13648949-image-m-77_1721342578986.jpg

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/07/18/23/87514341-13648949-image-a-64_1721340533333.jpg

[Crimson Dynamo]

At the Harehills, Leeds riots Mohim Ali the local Green Party Councillor blames the police. I
believe he has deleted this video.

https://x.com/DaveAtherton20/status/1814197811635728488

[Ninastar]

Ahhhhh, Leeds! The first time (and only time) that I ever saw someone shoot up heroin in a crazy busy nightclub

I remember my friend was like “well he could be diabetic”

Bless

[Livia]

Who'd be a copper, eh? Not me...

[arista]

The Evil Punk who started the Bus Fire

Move down to the 3rd connected video

https://x.com/I_Dont_Know_Her/status/1814042861283021185

https://x.com/I_Dont_Know_Her/status/1814040227432034311

[Zizu]

labour finding out that being in government is not easy


I’m sure they will blame everything on the Tories and Boris lol

Well they said they were going to make a difference


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[Zizu]

Dumb Punks Destroyed a Hybrid bus

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/07/18/22/87513039-13648949-The_double_decker_bus_was_left_a_twisted_and_smoul dering_wreck_a-m-65_1721338499130.jpg


They should put everyone’s council tax this month up by £50 and explain it’s to pay for last night


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[Zizu]

Started before it got dark

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/07/18/21/87509311-13648949-Glass_and_debris_lies_on_the_street_as_gangs_of_th ugs_smash_up_a-a-32_1721334099944.jpg


Lets see if Labour bring all these well photographed thugs to justice


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[Livia]

If the crowd rioting had been predominantly white or predominantly black instead of Asian, my view is that the police would have gone in with riot gear.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Look at the state of them

Mothers and fathers there with kids in arms watching

:umm2:

https://x.com/matthewdmarsden/status/1814160844533440849

[user104658]

Plenty of white working class people in those crowds but sure let's pretend we don't see them :joker:. MUST every thread have the same paper-thin agenda?

[Livia]

A few white faces, predominantly Asians. MUST every thread come down to TS/SB's desperate attempts to convince everyone he can read other people's minds.

[Crimson Dynamo]

If the crowd rioting had been predominantly white or predominantly black instead of Asian, my view is that the police would have gone in with riot gear.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GS1woppXAAAKxa0?format=jpg&name=small

[user104658]

This by the way is what I mean about the forum being unusable. Here is the mechanism:

1) Major national events are afoot that should absolutely be discussed

2) Either the thread-starter themself, or someone very swiftly after thread creation, shifts the focus of the thread to blatant race-bait/anti-immigration rhetoric or makes a wafer thing allusion that non-white people are uncivilised or violent.

3) No one can then engage in good faith with the thread without either tacitly accepting racism, or calling it out to then be accusing of being [x/y/z/woke/stupid].


Unusable. Pointless. Complete and utter waste of time, because a big national news story has been immediately turned into a UKIP advert. Boring as fuсk.

[Livia]

Oh, Soldier Boy, DO shut up.

[Livia]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GS1woppXAAAKxa0?format=jpg&name=small

Hmmm... Let me think...

[user104658]

Oh, Soldier Boy, DO shut up.

Nope. Not willing to pretend that this BS isn't obvious :idc:. Sorry Livia, stick me back on block or cope.

[Crimson Dynamo]

A few white faces, predominantly Asians. MUST every thread come down to TS/SB's desperate attempts to convince everyone he can read other people's minds.

His mystic meg shtik is getting worse and worse

:bored:

[Livia]

Nope. Not willing to pretend that this BS isn't obvious :idc:. Sorry Livia, stick me back on block or cope.

The irony is that you can't see it accept that you are part of the problem You spend most of your time criticising forum members and not much time discussing issues. And when you do discuss a topic, it's not really a discussion because you imagine you're always right.

[Livia]

His mystic meg shtik is getting worse and worse

:bored:

Yeah, it's not even amusing anymore.

[user104658]

His mystic meg shtik is getting worse and worse

:bored:

Funnily enough - it doesn't take a crystal ball to see with my own eyes that you make every thread about Muslims within the OP or first three posts. People are free to use the site search function and look at the threads you start. I don't know if you think it's actually subtle, or if denying it is just part of your own "shtik".

[user104658]

The irony is that you can't see it accept that you are part of the problem You spend most of your time criticising forum members and not much time discussing issues.

I literally just outlined why these threads are impossible to engage with in good faith. I can either engage with the thread and call out the blatant racism, or I can do what half the forum does and pretend it isn't there to appease a group of people who I have absolutely ZERO interest in appeasing :umm2:. Why? Why would I do it, for what possible reason?

And when you do discuss a topic, it's not really a discussion because you imagine you're always right.

I'm glad to hear that you frequently post things that you think you're wrong about Livia. It would be quite worrying if that wasn't the case, to be fair.

[user104658]

Yeah, it's not even amusing anymore.

Honestly though how much clearer can I be that your squad's dislike of my posts is a neon sign telling me that I'm on the right track? Please do let me know if you start enjoying my posts or finding them amusing, so that I can ****ing immediately have a rethink.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Andy Cuong Ngo is an American journalist best known for covering protests
in Portland, Oregon. He has written columns in the Wall Street Journal, the
New York Times and Washington Post

He writes on his blog

Andy Ngo
@AndyNgo

UK migrants riot after social workers rescue endangered children
This viral video is being shared without context by engagement farmers so I did some research.

A migrant community in the Harehills neighborhood of Leeds, England attacked police on July 18, 2024 as revenge for their response to help child protective workers who came to a home with endangered children.

The police safely removed the children and social workers before coming under a mass attack. Harehills is a Muslim-majority community with many residents coming from Pakistan and other countries.

As it became dark, the rioters started carrying out arson attacks on the streets. A bus has been torched.

Many areas of immigrant England operate as parallel societies where police are encouraged not to intervene. This leaves children, women and other vulnerable people often at the mercy of those who use violence and threats. For example, Islamic migrant com munities in England operated rape and grooming gangs for years under the nose of local authorities.
Speaking from experience, those who say something about the problems can be subject to violence and threats based on accusations of “racism.” One of the Antifa members in Portland who assaulted me in 2019 said my writing was “Islamophobic.”

https://ngo.locals.com/post/5886365/watch-uk-muslim-immigrants-riot-after-social-workers-rescue-endangered-children

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/07/18/23/87515225-13648949-image-m-74_1721342536357.jpg

Yes Arrest that Evil Punk

2 busses were attacked

[Livia]

Honestly though how much clearer can I be that your squad's dislike of my posts is a neon sign telling me that I'm on the right track? Please do let me know if you start enjoying my posts or finding them amusing, so that I can ****ing immediately have a rethink.

I don't have a squad, just people I like and who amuse me. You don't meet either of those requirements. Anyway... Back in topic...

[user104658]

I don't have a squad

My apologies -- I should have said that you're (let me check).. "aligning yourself with them and their caustic worldview".

But I've been accused of using flowery language in the past so I was trying to be more succinct with "squad".

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/07/18/23/87515225-13648949-image-m-74_1721342536357.jpg

Yes Arrest that Evil Punk

2 busses were attacked

Hopefully he will go to jail very soon

[user104658]

Hopefully he will go to jail very soon

Thanks to good old Tory austerity - there is no room in the jails.

[thesheriff443]

Police tactics are to contain the rioters to a small area rather than have running battles

Better to have a large group of officers in one place then others getting caught by themselves

[Livia]

My apologies -- I should have said that you're (let me check).. "aligning yourself with them and their caustic worldview".

But I've been accused of using flowery language in the past so I was trying to be more succinct with "squad".

No one cares.

[Livia]

Hopefully he will go to jail very soon

It's not like they don't have the faces of the guilty. Hope they're all rounded up and soon.

[arista]

Thanks to good old Tory austerity - there is no room in the jails.

There are 300 or so places.


These Evil Punks that Burnt Expensive Buses

There is room for them,
SB.

[Zizu]

It's not like they don't have the faces of the guilty. Hope they're all rounded up and soon.


… and do what ?

Our justice system is pathetic and incredibly lenient


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[Zizu]

There are 300 or so places.


These Evil Punks that Burnt Expensive Buses

There is room for them,
SB.


Sadly they will all be out on the streets tonight for the foreseeable future


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[arista]

Sadly they will all be out on the streets tonight for the foreseeable future



With the Criminal Record
that helps the Police get him arrested again.

[Oliver_W]

It seems that social services intervened because the "father" regularly left his five pre-teen children alone, and one got dropped on their head.

[Zizu]

With the Criminal Record
that helps the Police get him arrested again.


Then they release the same day as well


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[user104658]

No one cares.

Livia! You've developed them too! My mind-reading powers! My crystal ball... shared.

Welcome to the new Squad, Mystic Meg Fam. I have to warn you, with great power comes great responsibility (and LT may soon grow tired of your shtik :worry: ).

[Livia]

What a dick.

[user104658]

What a dick.

I know but you can't really blame him for having a low threshold for shtik, he's been around the block a few times.

[bots]

why can't people just talk about how disgusting an incident it was rather than trying to further well worn agendas?

[Cherie]

It seems that social services intervened because the "father" regularly left his five pre-teen children alone, and one got dropped on their head.

Can anyone explain why this caused a riot, surely this is a good thing??????

[user104658]

why can't people just talk about how disgusting an incident it was rather than trying to further well worn agendas?

TiBB rules, not allowed

[Ninastar]

Can anyone explain why this caused a riot, surely this is a good thing??????

I agree but honestly most riots start over the stupidest thing and only continue because people wanna destroy and loot things

[user104658]

Can anyone explain why this caused a riot, surely this is a good thing??????

Most likely mechanism is that the family starts kicking off (for obvious reasons), their friends join in support... then after that, it's basically just people piggybacking off the unrest as an excuse to cause chaos (like any other riot). 90% of the people there aren't rioting about the actual thing that sparked it.

[Alf]

Can anyone explain why this caused a riot, surely this is a good thing??????Maybe this Green party councillor who was out with them can?


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[Oliver_W]

Maybe this Green party councillor who was out with them can?



1814212861670936903
Do you mean the guy who was trying to stop them?
Most likely mechanism is that the family starts kicking off (for obvious reasons), their friends join in support... then after that, it's basically just people piggybacking off the unrest as an excuse to cause chaos (like any other riot). 90% of the people there aren't rioting about the actual thing that sparked it.
Bit like the George Floyd riots - I doubt most of the participants cared that much about a criminal who passed away while the police were apprehending him.

[Alf]

Do you mean the guy who was trying to stop them?

Bit like the George Floyd riots - I doubt most of the participants cared that much about a criminal who passed away while the police were apprehending him.How did he get on with stopping them?

[Oliver_W]

How did he get on with stopping them?

I didn't say he succeeded :joker: they were too far gone. But he was trying to stop them from setting fire to the bus and adding accelerants to the fires.

[Mystic Mock]

why can't people just talk about how disgusting an incident it was rather than trying to further well worn agendas?

I agree.

[Alf]

I think you think that most right-wingers (as you refer to them as, I'm not right-wing, I'm centre ground) blame the Muslims. They Don't blame them, they understand that they're just taking advantage of weakness. It's the people facilitating this destruction of our home that are to blame.

It's not about racism, no matter what is drummed into you by the real culprits. It's about preserving the British culture. The best culture in human history.

[Ammi]

…apparently, according to articles…the riots began because it was a Roma family that social services were called to …and any type of ‘intervention’ from outside services would be very unwanted and unwelcome…hence the local Roma community becoming involved….that is the report atm…

[Mystic Mock]

…apparently, according to articles…the riots began because it was a Roma family that social services were called to …and any type of ‘intervention’ from outside services would be very unwanted and unwelcome…hence the local Roma community becoming involved….that is the report atm…

And why is the Roma community having such ****ed up morality?

[arista]

Police have arrested 5 people,
more arrests are to come


All Media.

[Beso]

And why is the Roma community having such ****ed up morality?

They have their own way...

But keep it for the fields of foreign lands mr romany gypsy.

[Ammi]

…and following on from social services involvement in a matter/concern that was reported within a Roma community family…and what’s said to have sparked the rioting…

Leeds City Council has said it is conducting an "urgent review" of a "family matter" that sparked rioting in the Harehills area.

Home Secretary Yvette Cooper condemned the scenes of violence that were shared widely on social media on Thursday evening.

She warned that perpetrators of the "audacious criminality" would "face the full force of the law".

On Friday, representatives of the Roma community met with Leeds City Council to "express concerns about a family matter" that took place on 18 July.

Previously, police said officers had been called out around 5pm on Thursday "after social workers reported being met with hostility when dealing with a child protection matter".

They said responding officers were attacked, and helped social staff withdraw "to a place of safety".

Following this, disorder escalated into the riots and violence that left a bus burning and a police car flipped over.

On Friday, the council said it had agreed to undertake an urgent review of the case and work with the Romanian and Roma community moving forward.

A council statement added: "The Romanian and Roma community have played a fantastic role in the community and have contributed much to the diversity and richness of the Harehills.

"We want this work to continue, and develop further work that makes Harehills an even better place to work and live.

"The events of last night will not help our community or the family.

"We need to work together with the authorities to ensure that best outcomes for the community, and to ensure our voices are heard at the highest level so we can avoid such scenarios in the future."

Speaking also on Friday evening, Ms Cooper said: "It's important that people can feel safe on their streets and the perpetrators feel the full force of the law.

"We've seen issues around misinformation with police having to respond to a complex child protection issue.

"Many people will have seen on social media some of the shocking scenes of audacious criminality, and that's why it's so important that those people face the full force of the law."

This comes as West Yorkshire Police said they had arrested five people following the riots and scenes of violence.

Officers have said more arrests are expected in the coming days.

The riots, the force said, broke out in the Harehills area on Thursday.

After initially responding, police withdrew from the unrest that escalated into violence, leading to a police vehicle being flipped, rocks and bottles being thrown and several fires set - including a bus being lit on fire.

Assistant Chief Constable Pat Twiggs said: "We continually assessed the situation and took the decision to deploy specialist public order officers who then came under a barrage of bricks and missiles from a large group."

Then, a decision was made to withdraw officers when it became "evident that the police was their sole target", in order to calm tensions.

Read more:
Several arrests made over rioting in Leeds
'Very visible police presence' on streets of Leeds after riot

Residents were warned to stay home as local councillors tried in person and on social media to calm the crowds and ease the disorder.

Green Party councillor for Gipton and Harehills Mothin Ali described the scenes as "absolute mayhem" and called for the community to stay calm after the incident.

Speaking from the scene on Friday, he said: "The scene was absolute mayhem. It was quite chaotic.

"We were trying to shelter the police, act as human shields for the police, because they were there without helmets, without shields, being pelted with bricks and bottles, so we were trying to calm people down and act as a protective barrier."

Mr Ali said local officers had been "fantastic" but he said withdrawing had been the wrong decision.

[Zizu]

[b]…

"We were trying to shelter the police, act as human shields for the police, because they were there without helmets, without shields, being pelted with bricks and bottles, so we were trying to calm people down and act as a protective barrier."

Mr Ali said local officers had been "fantastic" but he said withdrawing had been the wrong decision.

Who’s WE ??


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[Ninastar]

You don’t often hear about ppl trying to shield the police so that’s nice of the harehills folk at least

[user104658]

Who’s WE ??


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I've seen multiple videos online of the local community - mainly Pakistani - trying to stop rioters and protect building/put out fires. Often started by people of other races (such as white).

This will not fit the preferred narrative on here though so you'll only see the agenda-driven race bait videos.

[Beso]

It's got nothing to do with ethnicities.


It's about a community standing up to the system.

[user104658]

It's about a community standing up to the system.

It's complicated really, I imagine they weren't doing a brilliant job of looking after the kids properly, but on the other hand, the care system and family courts are an absolute horror show as well. It's not like they were being taken away somewhere great. Obviously there's not a lot of info on what was actually going on, but I don't automatically trust that when social work is taking kids away, it's always "for the right reasons".

[Beso]

I trust the people taking them away Soldier Boy.


I just dont trust the box ticking that's needed for that to happen.

It looks to me like the dad had care of the kids(or has care of the kids) and they've went to a neighbours leaving the eldest kids in charge. For them it will be a recurring theme. This time though one of the kids head got injured. Maybe one of the kids, exasperated and confused at there situation caused the injury..who knows! Maybe that's why all the kids were taken away..to find out if one of them needs help.

Stupid thing to do, but it's not uncommon for a party going on in one house and the door left open in the other house for the kids to run back and forth.

[Mystic Mock]

…and following on from social services involvement in a matter/concern that was reported within a Roma community family…and what’s said to have sparked the rioting…

Leeds City Council has said it is conducting an "urgent review" of a "family matter" that sparked rioting in the Harehills area.

Home Secretary Yvette Cooper condemned the scenes of violence that were shared widely on social media on Thursday evening.

She warned that perpetrators of the "audacious criminality" would "face the full force of the law".

On Friday, representatives of the Roma community met with Leeds City Council to "express concerns about a family matter" that took place on 18 July.

Previously, police said officers had been called out around 5pm on Thursday "after social workers reported being met with hostility when dealing with a child protection matter".

They said responding officers were attacked, and helped social staff withdraw "to a place of safety".

Following this, disorder escalated into the riots and violence that left a bus burning and a police car flipped over.

On Friday, the council said it had agreed to undertake an urgent review of the case and work with the Romanian and Roma community moving forward.

A council statement added: "The Romanian and Roma community have played a fantastic role in the community and have contributed much to the diversity and richness of the Harehills.

"We want this work to continue, and develop further work that makes Harehills an even better place to work and live.

"The events of last night will not help our community or the family.

"We need to work together with the authorities to ensure that best outcomes for the community, and to ensure our voices are heard at the highest level so we can avoid such scenarios in the future."

Speaking also on Friday evening, Ms Cooper said: "It's important that people can feel safe on their streets and the perpetrators feel the full force of the law.

"We've seen issues around misinformation with police having to respond to a complex child protection issue.

"Many people will have seen on social media some of the shocking scenes of audacious criminality, and that's why it's so important that those people face the full force of the law."

This comes as West Yorkshire Police said they had arrested five people following the riots and scenes of violence.

Officers have said more arrests are expected in the coming days.

The riots, the force said, broke out in the Harehills area on Thursday.

After initially responding, police withdrew from the unrest that escalated into violence, leading to a police vehicle being flipped, rocks and bottles being thrown and several fires set - including a bus being lit on fire.

Assistant Chief Constable Pat Twiggs said: "We continually assessed the situation and took the decision to deploy specialist public order officers who then came under a barrage of bricks and missiles from a large group."

Then, a decision was made to withdraw officers when it became "evident that the police was their sole target", in order to calm tensions.

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Several arrests made over rioting in Leeds
'Very visible police presence' on streets of Leeds after riot

Residents were warned to stay home as local councillors tried in person and on social media to calm the crowds and ease the disorder.

Green Party councillor for Gipton and Harehills Mothin Ali described the scenes as "absolute mayhem" and called for the community to stay calm after the incident.

Speaking from the scene on Friday, he said: "The scene was absolute mayhem. It was quite chaotic.

"We were trying to shelter the police, act as human shields for the police, because they were there without helmets, without shields, being pelted with bricks and bottles, so we were trying to calm people down and act as a protective barrier."

Mr Ali said local officers had been "fantastic" but he said withdrawing had been the wrong decision.

Leeds City Council are into cult speak I see.:think:

They just missed off inclusivity, equity, and equality, and we would be having the most unoriginal statement of all time.

Good going Leeds.:thumbs:

[Ammi]

Leeds City Council are into cult speak I see.:think:

They just missed off inclusivity, equity, and equality, and we would be having the most unoriginal statement of all time.

Good going Leeds.:thumbs:

…huh…?…I don’t get what you’re saying, Mock…there is obviously a huge unrest within a part of the community there atm which is at crises point so the council are saying that they value their Roma community…(…which I think is around 5000 people…)…who are part of the fabric of Leeds…I can’t see the ‘cult speak’ in that…we have a local traveller community here where I am and that has been a part of the community for many years, which surely adds a diversity because it creates understandings and tolerance….obviously not so much in Leeds atm, but that’s the point…to try to resolve what has escalated atm…

[Mystic Mock]

…huh…?…I don’t get what you’re saying, Mock…there is obviously a huge unrest within a part of the community there atm which is at crises point so the council are saying that they value their Roma community…(…which I think is around 5000 people…)…who are part of the fabric of Leeds…I can’t see the ‘cult speak’ in that…we have a local traveller community here where I am and that has been a part of the community for many years, which surely adds a diversity because it creates understandings and tolerance….obviously not so much in Leeds atm, but that’s the point…to try to resolve what has escalated atm…

I'm saying that whenever anyone uses the term "diversity" these days in a bid to appeal to the public (in the Leeds Council's case, for tourism purposes,) it normally tells me that they're a drone with no actual opinions of their own, nor do they have the ability to express themselves in a way that's showing that they have an individual thought of their own.

And when it comes to the unrest part, I don't know how that gets resolved when a portion of the Roma community are championing bad parenting? Unless somehow the Leeds City Council can convince them that child neglect (if that report is true) is wrong I don't see a solution in the present.

Tbf to the Roma community though, the fact that none of the rioters didn't question why Social Services (a group that normally has it's hands tied behind it's back) is actually proceeding to take the Father's children away from him didn't twig with them that "hey, this guy might just be a bad parent."

That's the logic that the Leeds City Council have got to try and fix, because disturbingly there were probably people in Leeds that didn't riot, but secretly agreed with what the rioters were doing.

[Ammi]

I'm saying that whenever anyone uses the term "diversity" these days in a bid to appeal to the public (in the Leeds Council's case, for tourism purposes,) it normally tells me that they're a drone with no actual opinions of their own, nor do they have the ability to express themselves in a way that's showing that they have an individual thought of their own.

And when it comes to the unrest part, I don't know how that gets resolved when a portion of the Roma community are championing bad parenting? Unless somehow the Leeds City Council can convince them that child neglect (if that report is true) is wrong I don't see a solution in the present.

Tbf to the Roma community though, the fact that none of the rioters didn't question why Social Services (a group that normally has it's hands tied behind it's back) is actually proceeding to take the Father's children away from him didn't twig with them that "hey, this guy might just be a bad parent."

That's the logic that the Leeds City Council have got to try and fix, because disturbingly there were probably people in Leeds that didn't riot, but secretly agreed with what the rioters were doing.

…but a drone mentality would be not considering the fabric of a community and the importance of so many considerations that would maintain…(…or in this case, again reach…)…a situation of equal trust and a solution so that what’s been happening doesn’t continue …this isn’t about personal opinions of anyone, it’s about a council addressing a volatile situation within their jurisdiction and of course they’d do that, that’s what we’d hope from our councils and to also use ‘calming language’ …

…with ‘bad parenting’ …that’s not a label or assumption that I’m going to put on anyone because I feel that I don’t know any of the circumstances of Social Services involvement…again that’s something that has to be worked out with those involved for the safety of the children …but surely to assume any bad parenting or child neglect without having depth of knowledge of a family situation is the very definition of a ‘drone mindset’…

[Mystic Mock]

…but a drone mentality would be not considering the fabric of a community and the importance of so many considerations that would maintain…(…or in this case, again reach…)…a situation of equal trust and a solution so that what’s been happening doesn’t continue …this isn’t about personal opinions of anyone, it’s about a council addressing a volatile situation within their jurisdiction and of course they’d do that, that’s what we’d hope from our councils and to also use ‘calming language’ …

…with ‘bad parenting’ …that’s not a label or assumption that I’m going to put on anyone because I feel that I don’t know any of the circumstances of Social Services involvement…again that’s something that has to be worked out with those involved for the safety of the children …but surely to assume any bad parenting or child neglect without having depth of knowledge of a family situation is the very definition of a ‘drone mindset’…

In my view I don't believe that the Social Services in this country would act unless they were concerned about something that they were seeing.

[Beso]

1 man remanded in custody until august 19th for arson etc etc.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx0283e887wo

[user104658]

In my view I don't believe that the Social Services in this country would act unless they were concerned about something that they were seeing.

True (usually) but as with every public service in this country they are under-resourced and over-stretched, which means that a lot of things are unfortunately not dealt with in a timely manner, and so when an incident occurs they act defensively and take the most extreme action possible so that Social Services won't come under as much scrutiny. The truth is that it's likely that services should have been involved with the family in a more integrated/cooperative way for years, but they "fell through the cracks", and then a kid got hurt and when it was referred by a healthcare professional they'll have said "Oh ***, we should have known about/been watching this family for years! We better act IMMEDIATELY before someone flags this up".

This mechanism is happening all the time. Nowhere NEAR enough social workers.

[Zizu]

1 man remanded in custody until august 19th for arson etc etc.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx0283e887wo


One man !?!?!?!?


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[Mystic Mock]

True (usually) but as with every public service in this country they are under-resourced and over-stretched, which means that a lot of things are unfortunately not dealt with in a timely manner, and so when an incident occurs they act defensively and take the most extreme action possible so that Social Services won't come under as much scrutiny. The truth is that it's likely that services should have been involved with the family in a more integrated/cooperative way for years, but they "fell through the cracks", and then a kid got hurt and when it was referred by a healthcare professional they'll have said "Oh ***, we should have known about/been watching this family for years! We better act IMMEDIATELY before someone flags this up".

This mechanism is happening all the time. Nowhere NEAR enough social workers.

I agree with you that Social Services need more workers.

Plus less restrictions put on them, because they clearly had to go through a lot of nonsense before even attempting to deal with the parents of either Baby P or Arthur, and then it's the Social Services getting the blame when both cases ended in tragedy.

[Ammi]

True (usually) but as with every public service in this country they are under-resourced and over-stretched, which means that a lot of things are unfortunately not dealt with in a timely manner, and so when an incident occurs they act defensively and take the most extreme action possible so that Social Services won't come under as much scrutiny. The truth is that it's likely that services should have been involved with the family in a more integrated/cooperative way for years, but they "fell through the cracks", and then a kid got hurt and when it was referred by a healthcare professional they'll have said "Oh ***, we should have known about/been watching this family for years! We better act IMMEDIATELY before someone flags this up".

This mechanism is happening all the time. Nowhere NEAR enough social workers.

…it’s has to be said as well that there is a legal responsibility to investigate any ‘allegations’ also…which they obviously have done in the Leeds riot specific case, also…I’m always reluctant to comment though without knowing any details because the accusations themselves can be quite mis-informed/can have agendas and many other layers etc or relevant factors that we’re not always aware of…

[user104658]

…it’s has to be said as well that there is a legal responsibility to investigate any ‘allegations’ also…which they obviously have done in the Leeds riot specific case, also…I’m always reluctant to comment though without knowing any details because the accusations themselves can be quite mis-informed/can have agendas and many other layers etc or relevant factors that we’re not always aware of…

Exactly and when they think they might have missed something/neglected their duty, they do often react strongly/immediately and "sort out the details later". I understand why, ultimately, it's better to do that than to miss something and a child to be severely injured or die, BUT it shouldn't be getting to that point.

[Beso]

I wonder what the arsonists 2 kids were doing while he was out rioting?

As the sole parent all hes done is send another 2 innocent kids into the hands of a Yorkshire care system.

[arista]

Police in Leeds
have Given, a new update
Total Arrests are now at 20


SkyNewsHD

[Beso]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c98qd1qnyp2o


2 more men charged with arson etc etc.

Billy Mitchell aged 43
Zamonsty Milan, 30

[user104658]

Billy Mitchell

:omgno:

Knew he was a wrong'un from way back, when he was beating up poor Jamie.

Never believed all of that rubbish about him being "a changed man".

https://alchetron.com/cdn/billy-mitchell-eastenders-9c41c3bd-67c3-4587-9377-c625a7c4260-resize-750.jpg


GUILTY as sin.

[arista]

:omgno:

Knew he was a wrong'un from way back, when he was beating up poor Jamie.

Never believed all of that rubbish about him being "a changed man".




GUILTY as sin.


No SB

it is Mark Mitchell, 43,
& Zamonsty Milan, 30,


From the BBC Link

[Mystic Mock]

So there's a new Mitchell Brother in town?
arista

[Ammi]

…a little more information on the family situation and Social Services interventions that sparked the tensions in that area…

Roma children who were taken into care, sparking unrest in Leeds last week, have been returned to their extended family.

Police and social services removed the four children from a house in Harehills on Thursday to prevent them being taken abroad in breach of a court order. The children, aged between eight and 14, had been living with family members since being removed from their parents in April, the family court in Leeds heard on Tuesday.

Leeds city council said social workers had been tipped off that there was a plan to take them to either Romania or Cyprus, contrary to a court order stating they could not leave the UK without permission from the local authority.

After an assessment by social services on Monday, Judge Helen Trotter-Jackson ruled that the children, who cannot be named for legal reasons, could be looked after by extended family 20 minutes’ walk away from their parents.

Relatives at Leeds family court were asked to avoid sharing details of the case on social media and to not take part in public celebrations, amid concerns from the council about the profile of the case.

After the ruling, the children’s mother said through her advocate: “I’m glad the children are back with the family.”

The court heard the children had been “extremely upset” in their emergency foster placement since Thursday and had not settled. They had been kept together but with carers who were not “culturally matched”.

Trotter-Jackson urged the parties involved to put the interests of the children above everything else. “It’s important that everyone focuses on the children’s welfare and taking the temperature down in this case,” she said.

She had been told of the father’s threats to go on hunger strike and allegations that members of the Roma community said they would cause further unrest if the children were not returned.

“This court will simply not take threats like that into account because our paramount concern is for the welfare of those children and it seems to me if those statements were made, they were not helpful. I would ask everyone to be mindful of their behaviour and put the children first,” she said.

She called for calm, adding: “We cannot have the children being upset in the way they were on Thursday.”

Social media posts, including from the far-right activist Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, also known as Tommy Robinson, suggesting thousands of Roma people would be gathering in Harehills to cause further unrest, led to delays to court proceedings.

Police said 20 people had been arrested after the events on Thursday night in which a police car was flipped on its side and a double-decker bus set on fire. They said 17 of the arrests were directly related to the night’s disorder and three were “because of other issues within the area”.

The court heard how the family, whose situation triggered the upheaval, had had no dealings with social services until April, when a seven-month-old baby at the house received an unexplained skull fracture.

The parents and grandparents, who lived at the same address, were arrested and later bailed, trigging care proceedings for all the children in the house. Later, a child in the family came forward claiming she had dropped the baby by accident and had not told any adults, court documents revealed.

There will be a further hearing in August to decide a more permanent solution for the children’s care.

[user104658]

So there's a new Mitchell Brother in town?
arista

Probably Billy Mitchell's brother, so a Mitchell Cousin really, the core brothers were of course Grant and Phiw.

[Mystic Mock]

Probably Billy Mitchell's brother, so a Mitchell Cousin really, the core brothers were of course Grant and Phiw.

Fair point.:laugh:

[Beso]

SOUTHPORT.

LIVE.

https://www.youtube.com/live/FHzcX4CIZN0?si=e_2Y7ygEtsT0A9kF

[Zizu]

SOUTHPORT.

LIVE.

https://www.youtube.com/live/FHzcX4CIZN0?si=e_2Y7ygEtsT0A9kF


I feel so sorry for those poor police officers (and their families at home worried sick)

Looks like about 5 cops surrounded by hundreds of angry people


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[Zizu]

SOUTHPORT.

LIVE.

https://www.youtube.com/live/FHzcX4CIZN0?si=e_2Y7ygEtsT0A9kF


Wrong thread ?


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[Beso]

Wrong thread ?


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I think the comparison in the reaction to both when one is a mere social work issue, and one is the slaying of 3 innocent girls if we are lucky..(that hurt saying that) makes this the best place for it.

[Zizu]

Let’s hope all these illegal immigrants really have just come to work … not fight .. or we are well and truly fcuked


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[Zizu]

Well you were all sooo happy when Labour were elected to power ..


Things were going to be sooo much better ..starting from day 1 …


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[Beso]

Some drone footage from an auditor from tonight's events.

https://youtu.be/GPxJLqf3edI?si=0xvjjCztwMoPMbn9

[user104658]

Well you were all sooo happy when Labour were elected to power ..


Things were going to be sooo much better ..starting from day 1 …


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I'm not a fan of what Labour's done so far but suggesting these things have anything to do with it is a bit daft - they've been in for a matter of weeks, and social issues like this take years to develop (and just as long to fix).

[Vanessa]

I'm not a fan of what Labour's done so far but suggesting these things have anything to do with it is a bit daft - they've been in for a matter of weeks, and social issues like this take years to develop (and just as long to fix).
Maybe not, but they're losing control.

[user104658]

Maybe not, but they're losing control.

Not really how it works, it's law enforcement that are losing control with very little a government can immediately do about it, other than commit to bolstering law enforcement. Again a process that takes years - there's not a lot that can be done over night.

[Vanessa]

Not really how it works, it's law enforcement that are losing control with very little a government can immediately do about it, other than commit to bolstering law enforcement. Again a process that takes years - there's not a lot that can be done over night.

It really needs addressing. It's getting out if control.

[bots]

we could bring in the army and shoot everyone out on the street. That would solve the problem quickly

[Ammi]

…this is an article from April 2023… ‘Policing on a budget: Understanding the impacts of austerity cuts on crime, police effectiveness, and local welfare’…do not really applicable to a ‘loss of control’ of a month long government…I mean, it’s surely a logical/inevitable thing that a reduced police force budget will not only impact the number of officers but also the training of any officers…


Amidst austerity policies and calls to reduce police funding, policymakers need to evaluate how these decisions impact community safety. This column examines the effects of a massive austerity-driven wave of police station closures in London on crime, police effectiveness, and local welfare. Findings show significant efficiency losses due to blind reductions in police spending, and highlight the importance of resource allocation that promote crime prevention, public safety and trust, while keeping public budgets under control.

Elisa Facchetti
Research affiliate Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS); Assistant Professor
Maintaining public safety is a critical function of national governments, but figuring out the best way to allocate public funds for crime prevention can be a difficult task. In the UK, the debate over policing is currently revolving around two critical issues: the declining effectiveness of the police and the increase in violence in urban areas. At the heart of these concerns, there are reforms due to financial adjustments that have reduced the central government funding for policing by 20% in real terms since 2010, resulting in the closure of 600 out of 900 police stations in England. But is closing police stations a cost-effective solution to budget constraints?
Many studies in criminology and economics have explored the connection between crime and policing. Some have estimated the impact of increases in police manpower on crime (e.g. Di Tella and Schargrosky 2004, Draca et al. 2007, Blanes i Vidal and Mastrobuoni 2017), while others have looked at factors that contribute to police effectiveness, such as management practices (e.g. Ludwig et al. 2022), policing strategies (Weisburd 2021), and technology (e.g. Garicano and Heaton 2006, Rossi and Munyo 2019). Despite this evidence, it remains challenging to evaluate the effects of reductions to the police budget empirically. Previous studies have mostly relied on city-level or police force-level data to analyse the effect of police funding on crime (e.g. Evans and Owens 2007, Machin and Marie 2011). While this approach has yielded valuable insights, a narrow focus on aggregate areas fails to identify the specific mechanisms that connect police resources to crime prevention outcomes. This lack of understanding makes it difficult to formulate policy-relevant conclusions on how to best allocate resources and promote public safety and social welfare (Owens 2020).
The impact of police station closures in London
In my new research (Facchetti 2022), I isolate the causal effect of decreasing spending for policing on crime, police effectiveness, and local welfare by leveraging a reduction in the number of police stations operating in London. Like other police forces, the London police between 2010 and 2016 saw its real-term budget reduced by a quarter as a result of austerity-induced fiscal adjustments initiated by the UK coalition government. The reduction in budget resulted in the closure of 75% of London police stations in less than ten years, doubling the average distance to the nearest station from 1.4 km to 3.1 km.
I build a new comprehensive dataset that combines geo-referenced information on crime, police investigations, and police stations. In Figures 1 and 2, I show the number of police stations that were open over time and the locations of all police stations in London, including those that were closed. To estimate the impacts of the closures, I adopt a difference-in-differences approach that exploits the variation over time and space in the closures. I compare the outcomes of small areas whose nearest police station is closed to the outcomes of areas that did not experience any closure. Crucially, the closures did not decrease the number of front-line officers, which allows me to isolate the effect of decreased proximity to the police.
Figure 1 Total number of police stations operating in Greater London between 2008 and 2018

The closure of the police stations resulted in a persistent increase in violent crimes, measured as assaults and murders, of about 11%. The effect is sudden, persists over time, and is concentrated in blocks surrounding closed stations, suggesting that higher distance lowers police deterrence, and therefore increases the incidence of high-severity crimes. Such effect is not driven by crime displaced away from control areas, and it’s not compensated by a larger concentration of police presence close to surviving stations.
Furthermore, the increased distance to the stations, through an associated increase in response time, led to a decline in police ability to solve investigations by 3% with respect to the baseline clearance rate of 18%. Investigating the channels reveals that such decline is attributed to a deterioration in the police's ability to investigate and collect the evidence necessary to clear up crimes, consistent with findings from Blanes i Vidal and Kirchmaier (2018). I do not find support for alternative explanations: this effect is not due to a change in the composition of the police investigations but rather to a decrease in actual police effectiveness.
Finally, I document that austerity-driven budget adjustments have direct implications for citizens’ welfare. First, lower police presence and effectiveness lead to decreased citizens' reporting of low-severity offences. Second, I find that local house prices decrease by 5% per year, suggesting that station closures worsen individuals’ valuations of local areas, burdening local communities with part of the costs of police infrastructure loss. The welfare effects are concentrated in crime hot spots and deprived blocks, further exacerbating the already existing inequalities between poor and rich areas.
Are the closures cost-effective?
A natural question that arises from this work is whether decreased spending in policing is cost-effective with respect to the potential costs in terms of higher violence and lower house prices. I follow the framework proposed by Hendren and Sprung-Keyser (2020) and compute the marginal value of public funds (MVPF), which in this case, computes the value of the money saved, taking into account the negative fiscal externalities on house sales. Decreased spending in policing generates roughly £1.75 in social losses for every saved government pound. This means that increases in crime and decreases in house prices more than offset the public sector savings, even when considering the lower police burden in terms of fewer reported investigations to solve.
Concluding remarks
This research provides valuable insights for policymakers as they navigate the challenges of allocating limited public funding for crime prevention while ensuring community safety and social welfare. Existing research has already shown the adverse political impacts of austerity policies (e.g. Fetzer 2019 in the UK). These findings take this evidence one step further and suggest that blind reductions in police spending can lead to efficiency losses. With a growing need for budgetary restraint, mounting pressure to shift resources away from law enforcement, and decreasing public trust in the police, our findings underscore the importance of understanding which allocation practices are most effective in improving police performance, how to implement such policies, and the effects on the society of doing so.


…graph/diagram in the article but I’m not sure how to transfer them to the page…

https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/policing-budget-understanding-impacts-austerity-cuts-crime-police-effectiveness-and

[Cherie]

Not really how it works, it's law enforcement that are losing control with very little a government can immediately do about it, other than commit to bolstering law enforcement. Again a process that takes years - there's not a lot that can be done over night.

The police didn't lose control last night or for example during the vigil for Sarah Everhard they do seem at a disadvantage when dealing with groups of minorities as we saw in Leeds

[Beso]

4 horses would have cleared that mess last night, the Van's were used to push the crowd back which is always going to result in missiles being thrown..I wonder if the police knew this..surely if I do, they did..