Winter Fuel allowance will now be reinstated for the majority of pensioners 2025

[Cherie]

Sorry BOTs...did you even manage to get one payment :fist:


https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/pensioners-to-lose-up-to-300-in-energy-bill-support-under-reeves-plan-for-economy/ar-BB1qPwqA?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=a66b3d63d6d6476b8c2232351226ca95&ei=8

[Vanessa]

Pension credit is definitely worth getting. Even if it's not much. It's a gateway to a lot of other benefits.

[smudgie]

Ahhhh.
So the pensioners are the first ones to be hit.
Woderful:fist:

[bots]

thanks a lot labour :fist:

[Gusto Brunt]

Absolutely disgusting.

cannot believe there couldn't have been something they could have taken from RICH people.

Instead punish the poor and old.:fist:

[GiRTh]

This is terrible and I'm not sure how much it will save. The optics are terrible, it does not bring in the revenue of a tax increase on the rich.

[AnnieK]

Awful....so many pensioners relied on that payment. Wonder how many more deaths from pensioners not wanting to put their heating on during the cold weather :sad:

[bots]

it's a PR disaster. It wouldn't surprise me if it turned into a giant U turn

[user104658]

Awful....so many pensioners relied on that payment. Wonder how many more deaths from pensioners not wanting to put their heating on during the cold weather :sad:

Though I don't agree with it being scrapped - any pensioner who is in the position of struggling with winter bills will be on pension credit (as it's means tested).

Assuming energy prices don't rocket again, anyway.

[user104658]

it's a PR disaster. It wouldn't surprise me if it turned into a giant U turn

In PR terms it's insane, huge optics hit for basically zero saving. An odd one.

[Cherie]

Though I don't agree with it being scrapped - any pensioner who is in the position of struggling with winter bills will be on pension credit (as it's means tested).

Assuming energy prices don't rocket again, anyway.

Will they though? I dont really know what the cut off point is but I think if you have a small private pension you wouldnt be eligible for pension credit, just going by my aunt she has a private pension she is not entitled to anything, first it was the TV licence, now winter fuel will be taken away and as she is over 80 it was worth 300. I assume prescriptions will be next and then free travel. I think they should have tapered it, obviously there are wealthy pensioners but some are just about managing.

[Crimson Dynamo]

solidarity brothers

[user104658]

Will they though? I dont really know what the cut off point is but I think if you have a small private pension you wouldnt be eligible for pension credit, just going by my aunt she has a private pension she is not entitled to anything, first it was the TV licence, now winter fuel will be taken away and as she is over 80 it was worth 300. I assume prescriptions will be next and then free travel. I think they should have tapered it, obviously there are wealthy pensioners but some are just about managing.

Hmm, the cut off is actually a fair bit lower than I thought...

[Cherie]

Pretty cynical to go for pensioners but then they dont ordinarily vote for Labour, I would have thought they would have gone for the Amazons and Starbucks of this world who dont pay enough tax

[bots]

Pretty cynical to go for pensioners but then they dont ordinarily vote for Labour, I would have thought they would have gone for the Amazons and Starbucks of this world who dont pay enough tax

they certainly wont be voting labour now :laugh:

I would imagine age concern will be mobilising, so watch this space is what I would say

[user104658]

Pretty cynical to go for pensioners but then they dont ordinarily vote for Labour, I would have thought they would have gone for the Amazons and Starbucks of this world who dont pay enough tax

The ones who will be (meaningfully) affected by this cut probably did vote Labour this time round though which makes it pretty sad. The better-off Tory pensioners with decent private pensions/a savings pot won't really be affected at all by losing out on a few hundred quid a year.

[AnnieK]

Though I don't agree with it being scrapped - any pensioner who is in the position of struggling with winter bills will be on pension credit (as it's means tested).

Assuming energy prices don't rocket again, anyway.

A lot of pensioners may nor even know they are entitled to pension credit though and a lot more wouldn't apply for it. My Dad wouldn't apply for benefits even if he were entitled.

[Vanessa]

A lot of pensioners may nor even know they are entitled to pension credit though and a lot more wouldn't apply for it. My Dad wouldn't apply for benefits even if he were entitled.

It's worth applying only because then you're entitled to a lot more help.

[Crimson Dynamo]

they certainly wont be voting labour now :laugh:

I would imagine age concern will be mobilising, so watch this space is what I would say

agreed i expect a response tomorrow?

[Alf]

Hasn't been a good opening month for Labour. Has it?

Riots in Leeds. Soldiers stabbed on the street. Children stabbed at dance class. And now robbing from our pensioners.

Welcome to a Labour Government.

[thesheriff443]

Wasn’t there an outcry be pensioners could claim it when they basically did need it as they were well off and some getting it and not even living in this country

[thesheriff443]

Hasn't been a good opening month for Labour. Has it?

Riots in Leeds. Soldiers stabbed on the street. Children stabbed at dance class. And now robbing from our pensioners.

Welcome to a Labour Government.

Apart from the last one those events could of happened under any government

[Alf]

Apart from the last one those events could of happened under any governmentWell you say that, but I say good leadership can prevent those things.

I'm not saying the last lot was better, but one month, really?

[user104658]

Apart from the last one those events could of happened under any government

Agreed, the inability to handle rioting if anything is more down to the previous govt. underfunding law enforcement.

No getting around this winter fuel thing being a blunder though. Massive own goal in the first month, which isn't a great sign.

[thesheriff443]

Well you say that, but I say good leadership can prevent those things.

Bollox
Governments come and go but people still get stabbed

[thesheriff443]

Agreed, the inability to handle rioting if anything is more down to the previous govt. underfunding law enforcement.

No getting around this winter fuel thing being a blunder though. Massive own goal in the first month, which isn't a great sign.

Did anyone really believe labour was the answer ?

[Alf]

Bollox
Governments come and go but people still get stabbedUsed to be mainly from domestics though and very rare. Now kids are being stabbed quite frequently. Whether that's the streets of London or at dance classes in North West seaside towns.

[thesheriff443]

Used to be mainly from domestics though and very rare. Now kids are being stabbed quite frequently. Whether that's the streets of London or at dance classes in North West seaside towns.

The dunblane massacre kids killed at school the hungerford massacre
The taxi driver that killed his brother then drove round killing people

All white men from this country there’s always been murderers

[Alf]

The dunblane massacre kids killed at school the hungerford massacre
The taxi driver that killed his brother then drove round killing people

All white men from this country there’s always been murderersYeah, and there was nobody fighting those people's corner to defend them. What changed?

[user104658]

The dunblane massacre kids killed at school the hungerford massacre
The taxi driver that killed his brother then drove round killing people

All white men from this country there’s always been murderers

Yeah, and there was nobody fighting those people's corner to defend them. What changed?

I honestly think if the social media had been around back then, there would have been. Or people denying they ever happened.

[thesheriff443]

Yeah, and there was nobody fighting those people's corner to defend them. What changed?

Who the fcuk is going to defend murderers

[Alf]

Who the fcuk is going to defend murderersLook around.

[thesheriff443]

Look around.

I see evil individuals .

[Alf]

I see evil individuals .Yes. The tried to assassinate The Donald a couple of weeks ago.

[thesheriff443]

Yes. The tried to assassinate The Donald a couple of weeks ago.

Yes the whole world has evil individuals

[Ammi]

…hitting those pensioners who aren’t eligible for benefits but aren’t comfortable financially with their pensions either….booooooooo, always easy targeting and always a shabby look…

[user104658]

What really gets me is that the saving will be tiny. It's not a big payment. If it was going to save them obscene amounts of money that would be one thing, but it's like kicking your granny to save 50p.

[bots]

What really gets me is that the saving will be tiny. It's not a big payment. If it was going to save them obscene amounts of money that would be one thing, but it's like kicking your granny to save 50p.

it's not just that. Down here, its rare that we get a cold enough snap thats long enough for the payment to be triggered.

[Cherie]

it's not just that. Down here, its rare that we get a cold enough snap thats long enough for the payment to be triggered.

Winter fuel allowance is paid regardless of the weather?

[Livia]

£11 billion to overseas green projects. £8 million a day to house people who are here illegally. Cut the winter fuel allowance for our elderly, predominantly people who've paid tax all their lives and many who are too proud to claim benefits. And that's Labour, is it?

[bots]

Winter fuel allowance is paid regardless of the weather?

f you get certain benefits and the temperature drops to zero degrees celsius or below for 7 days in a row

[Alf]

Less than 3 months ago


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[Livia]

Less than 3 months ago


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Yeah... They're an easy target. Lots of people don't realise they'll be elderly one day and no one will fight for them either.

[Cherie]

f you get certain benefits and the temperature drops to zero degrees celsius or below for 7 days in a row

Okay I looked this up as my aunt is not on benefits but has always got the winter fuel allowance, you are talking about cold weather payments which are an extra payment of 25.00 if the weather falls below 0 degrees for 7 days running.....if you didnt get your winter fuel allowance last year I would be chasing that one up :laugh:

Just listened to the lady from Age UK there are currently 12 million pensioners, 1.4 of those on pension credit with another 800k who could claim but dont, so that leaves 10 million pensioners who Labour think are too well off to get the payment, 2 million of those earn just a few pounds above the threshold in some cases 6.00.... ...:crazy:

[Cherie]

Less than 3 months ago


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and this is why I couldn't vote Labour....liar

[bots]

Okay I looked this up as my aunt is not on benefits but has always got the winter fuel allowance, you are talking about cold weather payments which are an extra payment of 25.00 if the weather falls below 0 degrees for 7 days running.....if you didnt get your winter fuel allowance last year I would be chasing that one up :laugh:

Just listened to the lady from Age UK there are currently 12 million pensioners, 1.4 of those on pension credit with another 800k who could claim but dont, so that leaves 10 million pensioners who Labour think are too well off to get the payment, 2 million of those earn just a few pounds above the threshold in some cases 6.00.... ...:crazy:

i didn't become a pensioner until february, so basically winter was over :laugh:

[Ammi]

i didn't become a pensioner until february, so basically winter was over :laugh:

…technically it was only over a few weeks ago…I know because I was away for a break in June during the midst of it…

[Vanessa]

Okay I looked this up as my aunt is not on benefits but has always got the winter fuel allowance, you are talking about cold weather payments which are an extra payment of 25.00 if the weather falls below 0 degrees for 7 days running.....if you didnt get your winter fuel allowance last year I would be chasing that one up :laugh:

Just listened to the lady from Age UK there are currently 12 million pensioners, 1.4 of those on pension credit with another 800k who could claim but dont, so that leaves 10 million pensioners who Labour think are too well off to get the payment, 2 million of those earn just a few pounds above the threshold in some cases 6.00.... ...:crazy:
Anyone who can claim should definitely do that. It's worth doing.

[Cherie]

i didn't become a pensioner until february, so basically winter was over :laugh:

Ah thats why then and now you will never get it :bawling:

Watch the State Pension Age rise to 70 next :laugh:

[bots]

Ah thats why then and now you will never get it :bawling:

Watch the State Pension Age rise to 70 next :laugh:

the problem is that when you are young, you have a lot more options available to you to get yourself out of a sticky financial position. By the time you hit pension age, your options can be greatly reduced.

That being said, we are still a lot better off here than we would be in many other countries.

[Livia]

the problem is that when you are young, you have a lot more options available to you to get yourself out of a sticky financial position. By the time you hit pension age, your options can be greatly reduced.

That being said, we are still a lot better off here than we would be in many other countries.

But a.lot worse off than, for instance, Spain, France, Germany....

[user104658]

the problem is that when you are young, you have a lot more options available to you to get yourself out of a sticky financial position. By the time you hit pension age, your options can be greatly reduced.

That being said, we are still a lot better off here than we would be in many other countries.

It's extra fun when you have a life-long dependant and caring responsibilities. I try not to think about it too much. Have to say though, as neither my nor my wife's work has any physical element, I've basically come to terms with the fact that we simply may not ever fully retire (and hope that we retain mental alacrity as we age, thankfully this has been the case on both sides of the family so fingers crossed).

Also my wife has her superannuation pension & reached a high payment band very early in her career which helps a lot. "Gold-plated pension" etc... assuming the entire financial system doesn't fall apart.

For my own contribution I being a smartarse heavily opted to have something like 80% of my pension (and my full stocks and shares ISA) in global tech so that's fallen off a cliff in the last two weeks :joker:. Thanks CrowdStrike :umm2:...

(realistically it'll rebound I'm not that worried, it's just been spooked)

[Cherie]

But a.lot worse off than, for instance, Spain, France, Germany....

Republic of Ireland

[smudgie]

Ah thats why then and now you will never get it :bawling:

Watch the State Pension Age rise to 70 next :laugh:

Erm, I believe it’s going to be 71

[Livia]

I have an auntie, worked for BT as a clerk and paid into a pension. She is not a wealthy woman but she's better off than some. She slipped into I'll health in the last few years, became immobile and needs carers. Because she has a pension she pays almost £900 per month to fund her own care. Her daughter - my cousin - had to give up her well paid job because my aunt needs constant care and she didn't want her mother put in a care home. My cousin receives the princely sum of £79 a week because she cares for my aunt 24 house a day, 7 days a week. It would be £59 if the care for her mother was less than 24 hours a day. The majority of the outside carers who visit are slapdash, are gone after 10 minutes of a 30 minute visit and there seems to be no comeback on them or the companies they work for. The Care Quality Commission is a joke and the local council's elderly care dept is not fit for purpose.

No one cares about the elderly, nor the families who give up their jobs and lives to look after them. I think it shames our country. Taking the winter fuel allowance from them while money is poured into less worthy areas just underlines that fact.

[bots]

it speaks to the character of the people making the decisions. They were full of promises before the election, but their first big decision, in their first month, they decide to go after the most vulnerable in society and punish them. What the hell are they going to be like a few months down the line

[Zizu]

it speaks to the character of the people making the decisions. They were full of promises before the election, but their first big decision, in their first month, they decide to go after the most vulnerable in society and punish them. What the hell are they going to be like a few months down the line


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[joeysteele]

I'm against this.
I expect a lot of moaning from Labour members against this.

I recall the Cons saying this possibly should be means tested but it would cost a significant sum to process that.

I get that it's ridiculous that millionaires and millionaires plus.
Also large company directors retiring on massive pay offs and pensions, that they get this winter fuel payments too.

However it cannot just be left to claiming pension credit.
Plus as has been said, masses of pensioners aren't getting pension credit.
Although entitled to it.
Until Reeves knew ( which she does not), that ALL those entitled to pension credit ARE getting it.
Then she shouldn't be doing this.

Plus the cut off needs to be a lot higher.
If she needs to find 22 billion REALLY.
Then this is pointless, it will only yield 1.4 billion.

Shocking start to her being Chancellor, smells of cowardice and unfairness all through.
She has to be made to re -think this one.

I am myself really disappointed with her on this.
This is on a par with the coalition government's persecution of the sick and disabled.

[Vanessa]

This will lose them a lot of votes when it's time for elections again.

[Crimson Dynamo]

My old mum used to rely on this

They hate old people as they don't vote for them

heartless

[smudgie]

Oh dear, it’s not just the pensioners.
Sick and disabled won’t be getting it either.

[Cherie]

I'm against this.
I expect a lot of moaning from Labour members against this.

I recall the Cons saying this possibly should be means tested but it would cost a significant sum to process that.

I get that it's ridiculous that millionaires and millionaires plus.
Also large company directors retiring on massive pay offs and pensions, that they get this winter fuel payments too.

However it cannot just be left to claiming pension credit.
Plus as has been said, masses of pensioners aren't getting pension credit.
Although entitled to it.
Until Reeves knew ( which she does not), that ALL those entitled to pension credit ARE getting it.
Then she shouldn't be doing this.

Plus the cut off needs to be a lot higher.
If she needs to find 22 billion REALLY.
Then this is pointless, it will only yield 1.4 billion.

Shocking start to her being Chancellor, smells of cowardice and unfairness all through.
She has to be made to re -think this one.

I am myself really disappointed with her on this.
This is on a par with the coalition government's persecution of the sick and disabled.

You were the first one I thought of Joey and I knew you would be disgusted and would feel let down

[joeysteele]

You were the first one I thought of Joey and I knew you would be disgusted and would feel let down

I just got back from Rome today.
I've had 2 weeks away from phones and internet.
Tried to avoid any news.

Once I saw this, properly on my return,I was gobsmacked.
It's way out of anything I expected to take place.

Energy costs are going up again in October by more than they came down in July.
It's MORE help required not less.
Disgusted is the word Cherie.

I mean I can agree, the really rich millionaires pensioners and those with massive private pensions like big Company directors.
They don't need it.

No, I'm against this and I hope there's a change of heart.
It actually comes across as vindictive more like to penalise the elderly for governmental mistakes and wrongdoing.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I just got back from Rome today.
I've had 2 weeks away from phones and internet.
Tried to avoid any news.

Once I saw this, properly on my return,I was gobsmacked.
It's way out of anything I expected to take place.

Energy costs are going up again in October by more than they came down in July.
It's MORE help required not less.
Disgusted is the word Cherie.

I mean I can agree, the really rich millionaires pensioners and those with massive private pensions like big Company directors.
They don't need it.

No, I'm against this and I hope there's a change of heart.
It actually comes across as vindictive more like to penalise the elderly for governmental mistakes and wrongdoing.

bang on right Joey

and welcome back!

[bots]

the problem with means testing is it costs a lot in administration to do. It also directly puts in danger very vulnerable people. These people may actually die with no heating. Many are not able to keep active and warm. Many, like me, are on blood thinners, that make you more susceptible to the cold. It's not just that they are old, it's that they are medically not able to cope with the cold.

The government know this and still decided to make them the prime target. It's unthinkable from a caring society

[Cherie]

Apparently there will be a vote on this next Tuesday, its all being kept very quiet?

https://news.sky.com/video/mps-to-get-vote-on-winter-fuel-payment-cuts-13210066

[bots]

i hope they record the individuals who vote to rob pensioners

[Cherie]

i hope they record the individuals who vote to rob pensioners

I heard last night that the majority will vote for the cut for fear of losing the Whip, they may abstain but there in no guarantee they wont be punished for doing that...

[Livia]

I heard last night that the majority will vote for the cut for fear of losing the Whip, they may abstain but there in no guarantee they wont be punished for doing that...

Ahhh... Democracy in action.

[bots]

It's going to be quite enlightening if all of labour vote to rob pensioners and everyone else supports them, which is the likely outcome

Even enforcing the whip to rob pensioners is an obscene act

[Cherie]

ir Keir Starmer faces his first major rebellion this week amid warnings cuts to winter fuel payments will become his "poll tax moment".

Angry MPs branded the decision "brutal" and "shameful" and fear the government will be blamed if pensioners die in the cold.

The Prime Minister is fighting to keep the lid on an explosive row as backbenchers and union leaders pile on pressure for a U-turn.


Twelve Labour rebels have signed a Commons motion demanding a re-think, backed by six colleagues suspended for voting against the child benefit cap.

Last night government whips were accused of making "terrifying" threats to keep their troops in line ahead of a crunch vote on Tuesday. On the same day, Labour's union paymasters will back the rebels in a vote at the TUC conference in Brighton.
Sir Keir is under fire after ruling that up to 10 million elderly people will lose the winter fuel payment - which pays up to £300 - to plug a "black hole" in public finances.

The decision was announced just before train drivers were given inflation-busting pay rises. While ministers are confident of winning Tuesday's vote, they are concerned about the long-term effects of simmering discontent on the back benches.

Some fear the winter fuel row will dog him like the poll tax, the disastrous policy that brought down former Tory PM Margaret Thatcher.

But as one insider observed: "Thatcher had been in power for 11 years when she made that blunder. Keir has been in office for just 65 days."

Party insiders said new MPs were "terrified" by the "ruthless" strong-arming of party whips.

Few Labour MPs, if any will, vote against the cuts but whips fear many will abstain or to back the Government only under duress, with insiders fearing the leadership is storing up discontent that will encourage future battles.

Union activists also want a U-turn, with Unite, Usdaw and the PCS opposing the cuts.

Former home secretary James Cleverly, who is standing for the Tory leadership, said last night: "As the reality of what he is doing dawns on his MPs, Starmer is facing his very own poll tax moment."

Labour's Rosie Duffield, a former whip, warned: "We are actually going to see people die."

She said: "All MPs have been inundated with emails. It's not just from those constituents affected, it's also their families and people who are really concerned about the most vulnerable of those constituents.

"People who have ongoing health concerns, learning disabilities, the absolutely most vulnerable of the older people are the people we have got to look out for."

Ms Duffield highlighted research showing 4,950 died last winter due to cold, saying: "It just feels particularly brutal."

She added: "We know that pensioners living on just £13,000 a year will lose out. I find it particularly shameful that the lowest-paid MP, backbenchers like me, get £91,000 a year and here we are making decisions that will affect people on £13,000."

But highlighting the ruthless operation to ensure MPs fall into line, she said: "The government has made it very clear to MPs how they are going to behave towards us if we do vote against."

Shadow Work and Pensions Secretary Mel Stride, a Tory leadership hopeful, will lead opposition to the cuts in the Commons this week, and appeal to Labour MPs to follow their consciences.

He said: "If in your heart you know that this is deeply unfair and going to be punished for a lot of people who are vulnerable and not able to change their circumstances, we're giving you the chance now to vote this down."

Former Work and Pensions Secretary Esther McVey said the move could destroy Sir Keir's reputation in a similar way to the disastrous "mini-budget" which forced former Prime Minister Liz Truss out of Number 10, or economic chaos which forced the UK to leave the ERM under John Major.

Ten million pensioners will no longer receive winter fuel payments of up to £300 under the means-testing plan announced by Chancellor Rachel Reeves. Only people on Pension Credit, including individuals with incomes below £11,344 or pensioner couples with a joint income below £17,313, will continue to be eligible.

Backbenchers are pleading with Ms Reeves to announce help for low-income pensioners before Tuesday's vote but Downing Street sources indicated there will be no concessions.

Number 10 pointed out that the Government was already helping people in need after announcing last week that it is providing almost £500 million to help people struggling with bills.

There is anger over the decision to hold a vote at all, as this is not required in order to introduce means-testing. The Government has in fact already introduced the required regulations and they come into force on September 16.

But a cross-party House of Lords Committee condemned Ministers for rushing in the changes, saying: "The policy seems to be being introduced at a pace that does not permit appropriate scrutiny."

The House of Lords Secondary Legislation Scrutiny Committee said it was "concerning" that winter fuel payments are being cut after energy regulator Ofgem had announced that the cost of gas and electricity for a typical household will rise by £149 per year, an increase of 10 percent.

Labour MPs also fear the cuts will cause a winter NHS crisis, with hospitals overwhelmed by pensioners who have fallen ill because they cannot afford to heat their homes.

Former shadow cabinet minister Rachael Maskell, who worked in the NHS for 20 years, said: "If people go cold the pressure in the health service over winter will be astronomical. It will make seeing a GP or getting into A&E much harder."

The motion signed by a dozen Labour MPs was also backed by ex-Labour MPs currently suspended, including former Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell, and two independent MPs elected on a pro-Gaza platform.

A Government spokesman said: "We are absolutely committed to supporting pensioners and giving them the dignity and security they deserve in retirement. That's why through our commitment to protect the triple lock, over 12 million pensioners could see their State Pensions increase by almost a thousand pounds over the next five years.

"But given the dire state of the public finances we have inherited, it's right that we target support to those who need it most while we take the difficult decisions needed to fix the foundations of our economy. Over a million pensioners will continue to receive the Winter Fuel Payment and eligible pensioners will also be able to benefit from the £150 Warm Home Discount scheme from October to help with their energy bills over winter.

"We are urging pensioners to come forward and check their eligibility for Pension Credit to ensure as many people in need as possible have access to this support."

The End Fuel Poverty Coalition has estimated that 4,950 excess winter deaths in the UK were caused by living in cold homes over winter and in a report last year Prof Sir Chris Whitty, the Chief Medical Officer for England, said "cold homes and fuel poverty are directly linked to excess winter deaths".

[joeysteele]

This is an obscene idea.

I know Labour members are and I hope more Labour MPs join the move against it.

It's just completely the wrong way to save any funds.
Ridiculous.

[arista]

[Twelve Labour rebels have signed a
Commons motion demanding a re-think,
backed by six colleagues suspended for voting
against the child benefit cap.]


Yes if they get a Vote on it
could force Starmer to U-turn.

[arista]

BBC News Text :
[Starmer faces his first major rebellion
this week over planned cuts to winter
fuel payments and warns it will become
his "poll tax moment".
The paper says Labour MPs care calling
the decision - to make the payment
only to those on low incomes who
receive certain benefits
- "brutal" and "shameful".]



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[arista]

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[bots]

The prime minister has told the BBC his new government is "going to have to be unpopular" as he defended his "tough" decision to cut winter fuel payments.

Speaking on Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg in his first major interview in Downing Street, Sir Keir Starmer said he was determined to deliver change but this meant having to "do the difficult things now".


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It's tough to decide to kill old people .... but hey ho .... Merry Christmas!

Killer Starmer will regret this

[Cherie]

The prime minister has told the BBC his new government is "going to have to be unpopular" as he defended his "tough" decision to cut winter fuel payments.

Speaking on Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg in his first major interview in Downing Street, Sir Keir Starmer said he was determined to deliver change but this meant having to "do the difficult things now".


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It's tough to decide to kill old people .... but hey ho .... Merry Christmas!



The people with the broadest shoulders will have to take the load, pensioners on 13k a year

John McDonnell was just interviewed on LBC, he said the year that Gordon Brown introduced this excess deaths dropped by 50 per cent, so for anyone to say that Starmer and Reeves are not pursuing a policy to kill off pensioners are fooling themselves

[smudgie]

The prime minister has told the BBC his new government is "going to have to be unpopular" as he defended his "tough" decision to cut winter fuel payments.

Speaking on Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg in his first major interview in Downing Street, Sir Keir Starmer said he was determined to deliver change but this meant having to "do the difficult things now".


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It's tough to decide to kill old people .... but hey ho .... Merry Christmas!

Aye, watching him now.
Perhaps he should allow a free vote on the matter and not whip up anti democratic choice.

[user104658]

The people with the broadest shoulders will have to take the load, pensioners on 13k a year

John McDonnell was just interviewed on LBC, he said the year that Gordon Brown introduced this excess deaths dropped by 50 per cent, so for anyone to say that Starmer and Reeves are not pursuing a policy to kill off pensioners are fooling themselves

I mean if you want to completely remove any semblance of heart from the equation and only look at the numbers...

Dead pensioners is great for the economy. I would possibly go as far as to say, "fewer elderly people" is better for the economy of a country than literally anything else.

Elderly people cost money (care, pensions, the vast bulk of NHS expenditure) and dead elderly people are an economic boon (inheritance get spent, houses get sold, carers return to work).

To be clear I'm not saying that any of this is moral or good - it abhorrent and dystopian - but I think we're going to see it as an increasing trend. They do not want elderly people in the economy unless they're wealthy enough to support themselves or have families with enough money to do so.

More charitably I think that's another part of it - they don't necessarily want elderly people to choose not to use their heating, they want the message to be very much out there that they won't get help, because they want families to help with elderly winter bills instead and know that most people would be (understandably) ashamed to ask. They're sadly not accounting for the fact that many elderly people simply don't have anyone checking in very often.

[arista]

1832645523133673689

[bots]

Elderly will die over the winter and it's going to be firmly laid at killer Starmer's door

[user104658]

He knows fine well people will largely have forgotten about it by the time it actually matters to him (the next election).

[bots]

oap's will die every winter and it will be brought up every time, so it's not something that will be forgotten or go away

[Liam-]

Old people die in the winter every single year, I never once heard people blame the tories or claim they were killing off pensioners

[arista]

Labour Rachel Maskell MP (York Central)

Is Ready to Vote against PM Starmer
on the Tuesday Vote

She just confirmed on Ch4HDnews.

[Cherie]

Old people die in the winter every single year, I never once heard people blame the tories or claim they were killing off pensioners

eh? they didnt try by taking their fuel allowance away, I am sure you know this, its kinda hilarious that you back the Labour party so much you will defend them taking away fuel allowances, if you read further up John McDonell said excess deaths FELL by 50 per cent after Gordon Brown introduced it, but hey put your head in the sand, they will be coming for you soon ......they want everyone working

[joeysteele]

It will be and in my view, RIGHTLY, the case that there will be much closer scrutiny now of the elderly over Winter.

I think the cold weather payments too, need looking at, they should not just be triggered after 7 consecutive days of freezing or below.
However should be after 7 days immaterial of when the 7th day is reached.

However, I am disappointed and dismayed.
Moreso though disgusted with this government I fought to elect.

I cannot support the elderly losing this payment.
This whole government of whoever support this cutting of this payment WILL be responsible for any deaths related to not being able to heat homes.
No doubt about it.

I still cannot believe it is being done, despite the outcry from the CAB, the age charities and other organisations too.
Strength and power abused is not what I hoped for here.

If this goes ahead, if pensioners die because of not being able to PROPERLY and FULLY keep their homes heated.
Then my membership of Labour will be terminated and I will not be the only one by a long way.

No, this is WRONG and it's as heartless as anything the Cons ever did in government.
Yes HEARTLESS, that's exactly all it is.
Reeves is a disgrace.
If Starmer cannot stand up to her then he will be equally as bad.

[Cherie]

It will be and in my view, RIGHTLY, the case that there will be much closer scrutiny now of the elderly over Winter.

I think the cold weather payments too, need looking at, they should not just be triggered after 7 consecutive days of freezing or below.
However should be after 7 days immaterial of when the 7th day is reached.

However, I am disappointed and dismayed.
Moreso though disgusted with this government I fought to elect.

I cannot support the elderly losing this payment.
This whole government of whoever support this cutting of this payment WILL be responsible for any deaths related to not being able to heat homes.
No doubt about it.

I still cannot believe it is being done, despite the outcry from the CAB, the age charities and other organisations too.
Strength and power abused is not what I hoped for here.

If this goes ahead, if pensioners die because of not being able to PROPERLY and FULLY keep their homes heated.
Then my membership of Labour will be terminated and I will not be the only one by a long way.

No, this is WRONG and it's as heartless as anything the Cons ever did in government.
Yes HEARTLESS, that's exactly all it is.
Reeves is a disgrace.
If Starmer cannot stand up to her then he will be equally as bad.

That is sad to see Joey, I must admit I didn't expect this from Labour I couldnt vote for anyone as I was just sick of being lied to, that said I never thought Labour's first port of call would be pensioners, if we are all going to feel this pain it will be interesting where else they will find 'broad shoulders from'

[MTVN]

The Tories did also get a lot of blame for elderly people not being able to afford heating

Remember Boris being grilled on the story of the woman who apparently rode the bus all day to stay warm?

[Cherie]

The Tories did also get a lot of blame for elderly people not being able to afford heating

Remember Boris being grilled on the story of the woman who apparently rode the bus all day to stay warm?

They will tell you that never happened or that community centres opened when energy prices spiked for people to go to keep warm, and that was when people had government support in addition to the winter fuel allowance, now they will have neither, prices are still as high but according to some Labour die hards this will not result in any deaths....its just a myth, and Starmer and Reeves are apparently unaware of any impact this will have......mind boggling.......

[bots]

As many as 50 Labour MPs could refuse to back the government’s controversial plan to cut the winter fuel allowance, despite Keir Starmer urging back benchers to get behind a measure he has conceded is “unpopular”.

While few on the government benches are expected to vote against the policy in Tuesday’s vote, dozens are believed to be considering abstaining or being absent – though rebels say the numbers in their ranks are very hard to predict.
After seven Labour MPs had the whip suspended in July for voting for an SNP amendment on the two-child benefit cap, the assumption is that a similar rebellion on Tuesday would bring the same consequences..

One Labour MP said: “I’d expect the vast majority of anyone who does rebel to abstain, and remain inside the tent. Abstention is the new rebellion. It’s a question of defining what dissent is, and it’s probably better to do this than to jump off a cliff.”
Although there is no chance of the vote being lost, a significant number of absences would indicate the extent of disquiet over a policy that many rebels fear could lose the party votes, and which one MP described as “a shitshow”.

[Cherie]

Even the Unions are stalling on this now

Unions have joined condemnation of stripping the winter fuel allowance from millions of pensioners as Keir Starmer faces a revolt from dozens of MPs.

Demands for a U-turn have been growing as union chiefs - many of whom fund Labour - gather for their annual conference in Brighton.

The move to strip millions of old people of the handouts, worth up to £300 a year, has been slammed as 'wrong' - as it emerged that Labour's own research previously raised alarm that thousands could die.

Sir Keir is scrambling to minimise a damaging rebellion after being forced to call a Commons vote on the measure tomorrow.

The government had originally tried to dodge a confrontation by using a so-called 'negative resolution'. But up to 50 MPs are now thought to be considering whether to break ranks.



Pitting Pensioners against workers, thought Keir was all about uniting the country...

[arista]

Yes more will abstain
making this carry on.

[bots]

This morning, the UK’s largest trade union - Unite - accused Starmer's party of deciding to “pick the pockets of pensioners” while leaving the rich “totally untouched”.

Sharon Graham, general secretary of Unite, told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme that Starmer needs to be “big enough and brave enough to do a U-turn on this choice", adding that it's "completely wrong".

[Cherie]

This morning, the UK’s largest trade union - Unite - accused Starmer's party of deciding to “pick the pockets of pensioners” while leaving the rich “totally untouched”.

Sharon Graham, general secretary of Unite, told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme that Starmer needs to be “big enough and brave enough to do a U-turn on this choice", adding that it's "completely wrong".

OOP


I literally cannot understand how their first policy and the one that will follow them around for the next 5 years whatever the outcome is taking money from pensioners, its just bizarre, I have no doubt there are pensioners out there who dont need it but if you are going to implement a policy you cannot have such a low cut off, they managed to means test child benefit and set the cap at 50k why not set the cap at 20k ...anyone getting over 12500 will be paying tax anyway so it would have been pretty easy for HMRC to identify these 'wealthy' pensioners

[Beso]

They will tell you that never happened or that community centres opened when energy prices spiked for people to go to keep warm, and that was when people had government support in addition to the winter fuel allowance, now they will have neither, prices are still as high but according to some Labour die hards this will not result in any deaths....its just a myth, and Starmer and Reeves are apparently unaware of any impact this will have......mind boggling.......


Maybe stamers thinks deaths only happen when its a conservative making the cuts.That would explain his prediction that thousands would have died under the tory winter cuts.

[arista]

Union Rail Boss Mick Lynch
have asked Rachel Reeves
to change this cut back on the old.

6PM tonight
Reeves is having a closed-door meeting
with Union bosses.

[Cherie]

Union Rail Boss Mick Lynch
have asked Rachel Reeves
to change this cut back on the old.

6PM tonight
Reeves is having a closed-door meeting
with Union bosses.

who will win this ....

[arista]

who will win this ....


I assume it will be wait for
PM Starmer to change his mind?

[arista]

The Tories did also get a lot of blame for elderly people not being able to afford heating

Remember Boris being grilled on the story of the woman who apparently rode the bus all day to stay warm?


Yes that old biddie
was clever.

Using her Free Bus pass to hop on warm buses

[arista]

Top Reporter Andy Bell,
on Ch5HDNews Live from Brighton
said all the unions are united
against PM Starmer on this.
10 million old are expected to lose the £300.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Cherie]

Rachel Reeves claimed £3,700 of taxpayer cash towards her energy bills over five years before axing winter fuel payments for millions of pensioners, Telegraph analysis reveals.

The Chancellor and other Labour MPs spent more than £400,000 of taxpayer money heating their own homes over the past five years, with some claiming thousands a year

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/reeves-claimed-3-700-in-energy-support-before-axing-winter-fuel-payments/ar-AA1qkxKf?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=ed8c8e4c63f34a73825f724a5e3c2430&ei=13 more than a typical household spends.

[Beso]

That's absolutely disgusting..

Get them out.

[Cherie]

Even the Unions are startled, just heard some Union boss on the radio saying alarm bells are ringing as Starmer said he would be a friend to pensioners just weeks before he was elected :laugh:

I can only imagine what the budget will throw up...

[Livia]

I'm actually quite impressed by the unions' reaction to this.

[arista]

https://video.dailymail.co.uk/preview/mol/2024/09/10/3275724570676740045/964x580_JPG-SINGLE_3275724570676740045.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13834689/Left-cold-Tears-fury-Commons-Keir-Starmers-winter-fuel-payment-axe-PASSED-ONE-Labour-vote-against-dozens-MPs-make-excuses-stay-away-face-stripped-whip.html

[joeysteele]

I can't recall when I last agreed with near everything all the Conservative MPs said in parliament today.
It's shameful of the government as to this move

[Cherie]

Here are the heartless bastards who think everyone who has 11,400 year has plenty to live on

Labour MPs who voted with the Government on the winter fuel allowance
347 Labour MPs backed the Government’s plan to restrict the winter fuel allowance to people receiving pension credit..

Jack Abbott – Ipswich
Debbie Abrahams – Oldham East and Saddleworth
Dr Zubir Ahmed – Glasgow South West
Luke Akehurst – North Durham
Sadik Al-Hassan – North Somerset
Bayo Alaba – Southend East and Rochford
Dan Aldridge – Weston-super-Mare
Heidi Alexander – Swindon South
Douglas Alexander – Lothian East
Rushanara Ali – Bethnal Green and Stepney
Mike Amesbury – Runcorn and Helsby
Callum Anderson – Buckingham and Bletchley
Scott Arthur – Edinburgh South West
Jess Asato – Lowestoft
James Asser – West Ham and Beckton
Jas Athwal – Ilford South
Catherine Atkinson – Derby North
Lewis Atkinson – Sutherland Central
Calvin Bailey – Leyton and Wanstead
Olivia Bailey – Reading West and Mid Berkshire
David Baines – St Helens North
Alex Baker *– Aldershot
Richard Baker – Glenrothes and Mid Fife
Alex Ballinger – Halesowen
Antonia Bance – Tipton and Wednesbury
Lee Barron – Corby and East Northamptonshire
Alex Barros-Curtis – Cardiff West
Johanna Baxter – Paisley and Renfrewshire South
Danny Beales – Uxbridge and South Ruislip
Torsten Bell – Swansea West
Clive Betts – Sheffield South East
Polly Billington – East Thanet
Olivia Blake – Sheffield Hallam
Rachel Blake – Cities of London and Westminster
Chris Bloore – Redditch
Kevin Bonavia – Stevenage
Jade Botterill – Ossett and Denby Dale
Sureena Brackenridge – Wolverhampton North East
Jonathan Brash – Hartlepool
Chris Bryant – Rhondda and Ogmore
Maureen Burke – Glasgow North East
David Burton-Sampson – Southend West and Leigh
Liam Byrne – Birmingham Hodge Hill and Solihull North
Ruth Cadbury – Brentford and Isleworth
Nesil Caliskan – Barking
Markus Campbell-Savours – Penrith and Solway
Irene Campbell – North Ayrshire and Arran
Juliet Campbell – Broxtowe
Sir Alan Campbell – Tynemouth
Dan Carden – Liverpool Walton
Sam Carling – North West Cambridgeshire
Al Carns – Birmingham Selly Oak
Sarah Champion – Rotherham
Bambos Charalambouse – Southgate and Wood Green
Luke Charters – York Outer
Feryal Clark – Enfield North
Ben Coleman – Chelsea and Fulham
Jacob Collier – Burton and Uttoxeter
Lizzi Collinge – Morecambe and Lunesdale
Tom Collins – Worcester
Liam Conlon – Beckenham and Penge
Sarah Coombes – West Bromwich
Andrew Cooper – Mid Cheshire
Yvette Cooper – Pontefract, Castleford and Knottingley
Deirdre Costigan – Ealing Southall
Pam Cox – Colchester
Neil Coyle – Bermondsey and Old Southwark
Jen Craft – Thurrock
Mary Creagh – Coventry East
Stella Creasy – Walthamstow
Torcuil Crichton – Na h-Eileanan an Iar
Chris Curtis – Milton Keynes North
Janet Daby – Lewisham East
Sir Nicholas Dakin – Scunthorpe
Ashley Dalton – West Lancashire
Emily Darlington – Milton Keynes Central
Alex Davies-Jones – Pontypridd
Jonathan Davies – Mid Derbyshire
Paul Davies – Colne Valley
Shaun Davies – Telford
Josh Dean – Hertford and Stortford
Kate Dearden – Halifax
Tanmanjeet Singh Dhesi – Slough
Jim Dickson – Dartford
Anna Dixon – Shipley
Samantha Dixon – Chester North and Neston
Anneliese Dodds – Oxford East
Helena Dollimore – Hastings and Rye
Peter Dowd – Bootle
Graeme Downie – Dunfermline and Dollar
Dame Angela Eagle – Wallasey
Lauren Edwards – Rochester and Strood
Damien Egan – Bristol North East
Maya Ellie – Ribble Valley
Chris Elmore – Bridgend
Kirith Entwistle – Bolton North East
Florence Eshalomi – Vauxhall and Camberwell Green
Bill Esterson – Sefton Central
Chris Evans – Caerphilly
Miatta Fahnbulleh – Peckham
Hamish Falconer – Lincoln
Linsey Farnsworth – Amber Valley
Josh Fenton-Glynn – Calder Valley
Mark Ferguson – Gateshead Central and Whickham
Patricia Ferguson – Glasgow West
Natalie Fleet – Bolsover
Emma Foody – Cramlington and Killingworth
Catherine Fookes – Monmouthshire
Paul Foster – South Ribble
Vicky Foxcroft – Lewisham North
Daniel Francis – Bexleyheath and Crayford
James Frith – Bury North
Barry Gardiner – Brent West
Dr Allison Gardner – Stoke-on-Trent South
Anna Gelderd – South East Cornwall
Alan Gemmell – Central Ayrshire
Gill German – Clwyd North
Tracy Gilbert – Edinburgh North and Leith
Preet Kaur Gill – Birmingham Edgbaston
Becky Gittins – Clwyd East
Mary Glindon – Newcastle upon Tyne East and Wallsend
Ben Goldsborough – South Norfolk
Jodie Gosling – Nuneaton
Georgia Gould – Queen’s Park and Maida Vale
John Grady – Glasgow East
Lilian Greenwood – Nottingham South
Dame Nia Griffith – Llanelli
Andrew Gwynne – Gorton and Denton
Amanda Hack – North West Leicestershire
Louise Haigh – Sheffield Heeley
Sarah Hall – Warrington South
Fabian Hamilton – Leeds North East
Emma Hardy – Kingston upon Hull West and Haltemprice
Carolyn Harris – Neath and Swansea East
Lloyd Hatton – South Dorset
Helen Hayes – Dulwich and West Norwood
Tom Hayes – Bournemouth East
Claire Hazelgrove – Filton and Bradley Stoke
John Healey – Rawmarsh and Conisbrough
Sir Mark Hendrick – Preston
Dame Meg Hillier – Hackney South and Shoreditch
Chris Hinchliff – North East Hertfordshire
Jonathan Hinder – Pendle and Clitheroe
Rachel Hopkins – Luton South and South Bedfordshire
Claire Hughes – Bangor Aberconwy
Alison Hume – Scarborough and Whitby
Dr Rupa Huq – Ealing Central and Acton
Patrick Hurley – Southport
Natasha Irons – Croydon East
Sally Jameson – Doncaster Central
Dan Jarvis – Barnsley North
Terry Jermy – South West Norfolk
Adam Jogee – Newcastle-under-Lyme
Darren Jones – Bristol North West
Gerald Jones – Merthyr Tydfil and Aberdare
Lillian Jones – Kilmarnock and Loudoun
Louise Jones – North East Derbyshire
Ruth Jones – Newport West and Islwyn
Sarah Jones – Croydon West
Gurinder Singh Josan – Smethwick
Sojan Joseph – Ashford
Warinder Juss – Wolverhampton West
Chris Kane – Stirling and Strathallan
Mike Kane – Wythenshawe and Sale East
Satvir Kaur – Southampton Test
Liz Kendall – Leicester West
Afzal Khan – Manchester Rusholme
Stephen Kinnock – Aberfan Maesteg
Jayne Kirkham – Truro and Falmouth
Gen Kitchen – Wellingborough and Rushden
Sonia Kumar – Dudley
Uma Kumaran – Stratford and Bow
Peter Kyle – Hove and Portslade
Laura Kyrke-Smith – Aylesbury
Peter Lamb – Crawley
David Lammy – Tottenham
Noah Law – St Austell and Newquay
Kim Leadbeater – Spen Valley
Brian Leishman – Alloa and Grangemouth
Andrew Lewin – Welwyn Hatfield
Simon Lightwood – Wakefield and Rothwell
Josh McAlister – Whitehaven and Workington
Alice Macdonald – Norwich North
Andy MacNae – Rossendale and Darwen
Justin Madders – Ellesmere Port and Bromborough
Shabana Mahmood – Birmingham Ladywood
Seema Malhotra – Feltham and Heston
Keir Mather – Selby
Alex Mayer – Dunstable and Leighton Buzzard
Douglas McAllister – West Dunbartonshire
Kerry McCarthy – Bristol East
Martin McCluskey – Inverclyde and Renfrewshire West
Dame Siobhain McDonagh – Mitcham and Morden
Chris McDonald – Stockton North
Blair McDougall – East Renfrewshire
Lola McEvoy – Darlington
Pat McFadden – Wolverhampton South East
Alison McGovern – Birkenhead
Alex McIntyre – Gloucester
Gordon McKee – Glasgow South
Kevin McKenna – Sittingbourne and Sheppey
Catherine McKinnell – Newcastle upon Tyne North
Jim McMahon – Oldham West, Chadderton and Royton
Frank McNally, Coatbridge and Bellshill
Kirsty McNeill – Midlothian
Anneliese Midgley – Knowsley
Ed Miliband – Doncaster North
Julie Minns – Carlisle
Navendu Mishra – Stockport
Abtisam Mohamed – Sheffield Central
Perran Moon – Camborne and Redruth
Jessica Morden – Newport East
Stephen Morgan – Portsmouth South
Joe Morris – Hexham
Margaret Mullane – Dagenham and Rainham
Luke Murphy – Basingstoke
Chris Murray – Edinburgh East and Musselburgh
Ian Murray – Edinburgh South
James Murray – Ealing North
Katrina Murray – Cumbernauld and Kirkintilloch
Luke Myer – Middlesbrough South and East Cleveland
James Naish – Rushcliffe
Connor Naismith – Crewe and Nantwich
Lisa Nandy – Wigan
Kanishka Narayan – vale of Glamorgan
Pamela Nash – Josh Newbury – Cannock Chase
Samantha Niblett – South Derbyshire
Charlotte Nichols – Warrington North
Alex Norris – Nottingham North and Kimberley
Dan Norris – North East Somerset and Hanham
Melanie Onn – Great Grimsby and Cleethorpes
Chi Onwurah – Newcastle upon Tyne Central and West
Dr Simon Opher – Stroud
Abena Oppong-Asare – Erith and Thamesmead
Tristan Osborne – Chatham and Aylesford
Taiwo Owatemi – Coventry North West
Sarah Owen – Luton North
Darren Paffey – Southampton Itchen
Andrew Pakes – Peterborough
Matthew Patrick – Wirral West
Michael Payne – Gedling
Stephanie Peacock – Barnsley South
Jon Pearce – High Peak
Matthew Pennycook – Greenwich and Woolwich
Toby Perkins – Chesterfield
Jess Phillips – Birmingham Yardley
Bridget Phillipson – Houghton and Sunderland South
David Pinto-Duschinsky – Hendon
Lee Pitcher – Doncaster East and the Isle of Axholme
Jo Platt – Leigh and Atherton
Luke Pollard – Plymouth Sutton and Devonport
Joe Powell – Kensington and Bayswater
Lucy Powell – Manchester Central
Gregor Poynton – Livingston
Peter Prinsley – Bury St Edmunds and Stowmarket
Richard Quigley – Isle of Wight West
Yasmin Qureshi – Bolton South and Walkden
Steve Race – Exeter
Connor Rand – Altrincham and Sale West
Andrew Ranger – Wrexham
Angela Rayner – Ashton-under-Lyne
Mike Reader – Northampton South
Steve Reed – Streatham and Croydon North
Ellie Reeves – Lewisham West and East Dulwich
Rachel Reeves – Leeds West and Pudsey
Joani Reid – East Kilbride and Strathaven
Emma Reynolds – Wycombe
Jonathan Reynolds – Stalybridge and Hyde
Martin Rhodes – Glasgow North
Jake Richards – Rother Valley
Lucy Rigby – Northampton North
Dave Robertson – Lichfield
Tom Roca – Macclesfield
Matt Rodda – Reading Central
Sam Rushworth – Bishop Auckland
Sarah Russell – Congleton
Tom Rutland – East Worthing and Shoreham
Olive Ryan – Burnley
Sarah Sackman – Finchley and Golders Green
Dr Jeevun Sandher – Loughborough
Michelle Scrogham – Barrow and Furness
Mark Sewards – Leeds South West and Morley
Baggy Shanker – Derby South
Michael Shanks – Rutherglen
Tulip Siddiq – Hampstead and Highgate
Josh Simons – Makerfield
Andy Slaughter – Hammersmith and Chiswick
John Slinger – Rugby
David Smith – North Northumberland
Jeff Smith – Manchester Withington
Nick Smith – Blaenau Gwent and Rhymney
Karin Smyth – Bristol South
Gareth Snell – Stoke-on-Trent Central
Alex Sobel – Leeds Central and Headingley
Sir Keir Starmer – Holborn and St Pancras
Jo Stevens – Cardiff East
Elaine Stewart – Ayr, Carrick and Cumnock
Will Stone – Swindon North
Alistair Strathern – Hitchin
Wes Streeting – Ilford North
Alan Strickland – Newton Aycliffe and Spennymoore
Graham Stringer – Blackley and Middleton South
Dr Lauren Sullivan – Gravesham
Kirsteen Sullivan – Bathgate and Linlithgow
Peter Swallow – Bracknell
Markl Tami – Alyn and Deeside
Mike Tapp – Dover and Deal
Alison Taylor – Paisley and Renfrewshire North
David Taylor – Hemel Hempstead
Rachel Taylor – North Warwickshire and Bedworth
Fred Thomas – Plymouth Moor View
Gareth Thomas – Harrow West
Adam Thompson – Erewash
Emily Thornberry – Islington South and Finsbury
Marie Tidball – Penistone and Stockbridge
Sir Stephen Timms – East Ham
Jessica Toale – Bournemouth West
Dan Tomlinson – Chipping Barnet
Henry Tufnell – Mid and South Pembrokeshire
Anna Turley – Redcar
Matt Turmaine – Watford
Karl Turner – Kingston upon Hull East
Laurence Turner – Birmingham Northfield
Derek Twigg – Widnes and Halewood
Liz Twist – Blaydon and Consett
Harpreet Uppal – Huddersfield
Tony Vaughan – Folkestone and Hythe
Valerie Vaz – Walsall and Bloxwich
Chris Vince – Harlow
Imogen Walker – Hamilton and Clyde Valley
Chris Ward – Brighton Kemptown and Peacehaven
Melanie Ward – Cowdenbeath and Kirkcaldy
Paul Waugh – Rochdale
Michelle Welsh – Sherwood Forest
Catherine West – Hornsey and Friern Barnet
Andrew Western – Stretford and Urmston
Matt Western – Warwick and Leamington
Michael Wheeler – Worsley and Eccles
John Whitby – Derbyshire Dales
Jo White – Bassetlaw
Katie White – Leeds North West
David Williams – Stoke-on-Trent North
Steve Witherden – Montgomeryshire and Glyndŵr
Sean Woodcock – Banbury
Rosie Wrighting – Kettering
Yuan Yang – Earley and Woodley
Steve Yemm – Mansfield


https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/how-your-mp-voted-on-winter-fuel-payment-cut/ar-AA1ql88P?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=f8eda842c5e54244a385d233c38bd7f4&ei=11

[bots]

i counted at least 23 scottish mp's in that list where the temperature drops like a stone in winter. Disgusting

[joeysteele]

I'm stunned.

I really hoped for this to be paused until next year until as many as all who should have pension credit were then on it.
However hoping too for it to be widened as to it's starting point.

It's really not a good look at all.

[The Slim Reaper]

I'm against this.
I expect a lot of moaning from Labour members against this.

I recall the Cons saying this possibly should be means tested but it would cost a significant sum to process that.

I get that it's ridiculous that millionaires and millionaires plus.
Also large company directors retiring on massive pay offs and pensions, that they get this winter fuel payments too.

However it cannot just be left to claiming pension credit.
Plus as has been said, masses of pensioners aren't getting pension credit.
Although entitled to it.
Until Reeves knew ( which she does not), that ALL those entitled to pension credit ARE getting it.
Then she shouldn't be doing this.

Plus the cut off needs to be a lot higher.
If she needs to find 22 billion REALLY.
Then this is pointless, it will only yield 1.4 billion.

Shocking start to her being Chancellor, smells of cowardice and unfairness all through.
She has to be made to re -think this one.

I am myself really disappointed with her on this.
This is on a par with the coalition government's persecution of the sick and disabled.

Did anyone warn you about what a Starmer government would do? Asking for a friend.

Too many woke, social justice luvvies, in this thread.

[The Slim Reaper]

They're just a concerned government, upset with what has been happening in communities.

[bots]

They're just a concerned government, upset with what has been happening in communities.

i can only talk for myself, and i am a concerned, directly affected pensioner

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/4125/live/ca9e2750-6fb9-11ef-8c1a-df523ba43a9a.png.webp

[arista]

An older couple who have just recovered
from Cancer,
told a Lib Dem MP
who was just on SkyNewsHD,
they plan to go on warm buses through the days

[Livia]

An older couple who have just recovered
from Cancer,
told a Lib Dem MP
who was just on SkyNewsHD,
they plan to go on warm buses through the days

Bloody shameful.

[Gusto Brunt]

All the pensioners should turn the heating up full blast this winter and send the energy bills to Reeves and Starmer!

[2hours]

Absolutely disgusting.

cannot believe there couldn't have been something they could have taken from RICH people.

Instead punish the poor and old.:fist:

Rich man here :fist:

[smudgie]

All the pensioners should turn the heating up full blast this winter and send the energy bills to Reeves and Starmer!

……..Reeves and Starmer.
Aka Thieves and Harmer.

[Cherie]

i counted at least 23 scottish mp's in that list where the temperature drops like a stone in winter. Disgusting

What is even more startling is the winter fuel reduction will only affect England and Wales so they were effectively voting to freeze pensioners in other parts of the UK, not their own.....Labour

[Cherie]

Keir Starmer has declared more free tickets and gifts than other major party leaders in recent times, with his total now topping £100,000 after recent support for his lifestyle from Labour donor Waheed Alli.

The prime minister has accepted almost 40 sets of free tickets during his time as Labour leader, mostly to football matches but also £4,000 of hospitality at a Taylor Swift concert and £698 of Coldplay tickets in Manchester.

He was criticised this week for the scale of gifts given to him by Lord Alli, who paid for work clothing worth £12,000, accommodation valued at more than £20,000 and glasses valued at £2,485 – especially since the donor was temporarily given a pass to No 10 after the election.
Angela Eagle, a minister, struggled to defend the prime minister’s decision to accept so many freebies when pressed on Times Radio on Tuesday. Asked why he shouldn’t buy his own glasses, given his salary, Eagle said: “I’m afraid I’m not responsible for decisions the prime minister makes.”

She added: “The prime minister has had his say on that … next time you interview him, you could ask him yourself. I don’t have an opinion.”

Starmer’s acceptance of freebies raised eyebrows after the FT reported during the election he had taken £76,000 worth of hospitality and gifts. Since then, he has declared another £4,000 in Taylor Swift tickets and £20,000 of accommodation from Alli.

This was mostly provided during the election campaign but also continued one week after he had become prime minister until 13 July.

The Labour party declined to answer when pressed on whether Alli had funded Starmer’s hotel accommodation during the election or loaned one of his own properties as a base.

Starmer has previously insisted his acceptance of hospitality is related to his security requirements of not being able to go into the stands, saying: “If I don’t accept a gift of hospitality, I can’t go to a game. You could say: ‘Well, bad luck.’ That’s why gifts have to be registered. But, you know, never going to an Arsenal game again because I can’t accept hospitality is pushing it a bit far.”

Other previous major party leaders have not declared so many free tickets and hospitality.

During his time as opposition party leader, David Cameron declared one set of Rugby World Cup tickets, and being hosted at the Conservative party’s Black and White ball, along with various gifts of hampers and other treats. He also registered £4,475 of discounted personal training sessions.


Maybe he should have donated all the freebies to the black hole ?


I think Starmer and his grasping Mrs are going to be more unpopular than Thatcher by the time they leave Downing Street at this rate

[Livia]

Still, Mrs Starmer looks nice in all her free designer dresses, so bugger the pensioners and their problems...

[Beso]

£4,000 of hospitality at a Taylor Swift concert and £698 of Coldplay tickets



Mid life crisis......

[smudgie]

Disgusting.
Why would any husband let another man pick up the tab for clothes for his wife:fist:
All sounds like Robin Hood in reverse with this shower of $hits.

[MTVN]

Meanwhile they got rid of Boris for being given a birthday cake :skull:

[Beso]

She works in the NHS, should be awkward signing off the deaths of the pensioners rushed fo hospital with hypothermia this winter.

[bots]

It's very much giving me the vibes of Tony and Cherry Blair, they were both in it for all they could get

[Cherie]

Rumours abound that Labour are going to row back on this .... watch this space

[bots]

yep, we will see. At the moment there is no way labour will win a second term

[Cherie]

yep, we will see. At the moment there is no way labour will win a second term

I am not sure they want one they way things are going

[joeysteele]

The members and the voters that make their views known, ( the voters still sticking around that is), have been on about this since September last year.
We as members have never stopped complaining about it although I myself do not think winter fuel assistance should be paid to everyone of pension age.

However thankfully not just a good number but now getting close to a majority of MPs are now wanting this changed.
At least altered to take in more pensioners above the pension credit trigger.
If not a complete reversal.

There's one though at present not listening, certainly to us members and that is Ms Reeves.
Her sister Ellie is equally as annoying too in her dismissals.
According to Reeves there isn't an alternative to doing this it seems.
Which frankly I think she's completely wrong on.
There are alternatives and now I hope with heading to the majority of MPs on board to try to get a rethink for this year.

I've heard it said the Labour manifesto of 1983 under Michael Foot was the longest suicide note in history.
Well from any government this policy of stopping this winter fuel assistance, must surely go down as a deliberate throwing off the cliff of Labour and what it should stand for.
This has to be partly reversed.

I agree with bots, there will be no chance of any second term if this stays in place but for other things too.
Not the Farmers, I don't give a damn about those moaners
If it wasn't more like a cop out, I could be more convinced that it is looking like from this first year that Labour's hierarchy actually regret winning last year and don't even wish to next time round.

Yet none of this had to be, Reeves had other ways to make savings than this.
Plus the changes to qualify for PIP, is going to be another issue, we the members are furious about, plus now too a growing number of MPs thankfully.

This Chancellor needs to look elsewhere to make savings.
OR she should be made to go with all the chaos admittedly that would bring to the government.
Your Chancellor is the last person you want to lose or change.

[Livia]

£1.5 billion a year, and rising, housing illegal migrants last year Just saying...

[Cherie]

Disgusting.
Why would any husband let another man pick up the tab for clothes for his wife:fist:
All sounds like Robin Hood in reverse with this shower of $hits.

We miss you Smudgie

[Cherie]

I understand the row back was messily announced at PMQs today :laugh:

[bots]

I understand the row back was messily announced at PMQs today :laugh:

he just said he wanted more pensioners to get the allowance, he didn't say any more would actually get it. He is playing around with words again. That is exactly what Blair used to do with a smirk

[Cherie]

Winter fuel will be given back to 8 million pensioners....the threshold last year to receive winter fuel was

11,500 or thereabout


if you earned a penny over that you could do without

the threshold now is 35,000 or thereabout

who is plucking these figures out of the air, that is some leap :laugh: and in my opinion way too high...but what do I know Im just a lowly taxpayer :laugh:

[Ammi]

…I’m thinking that bots won’t get the fuel allowance as he buys a super yacht some months…maybe not in the winter months, though…

[user104658]

Winter fuel will be given back to 8 million pensioners....the threshold last year to receive winter fuel was

11,500 or thereabout


if you earned a penny over that you could do without

the threshold now is 35,000 or thereabout

who is plucking these figures out of the air, that is some leap :laugh: and in my opinion way too high...but what do I know Im just a lowly taxpayer :laugh:

£35k seems far more reasonable tbh if it's full household income... it's tough to accurately assess though, as a pensioner on £35k paying private rent has far less money for bills than a penioner living in an owned home with a paid-off mortgage. Any assessment should be fully means-tested not an arbitrary figure.

[Cherie]

…I’m thinking that bots won’t get the fuel allowance as he buys a super yacht some months…maybe not in the winter months, though…

it depends on whether it's his year to live on lentils or live or his super yacht, he alternates

[Ammi]

it depends on whether it's his year to live on lentils or live or his super yacht, he alternates

…that might create a bit of a headache for Rachel Reeves, she’s going to need a bigger calculator…

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[Cherie]

£35k seems far more reasonable tbh if it's full household income... it's tough to accurately assess though, as a pensioner on £35k paying private rent has far less money for bills than a penioner living in an owned home with a paid-off mortgage. Any assessment should be fully means-tested not an arbitrary figure.

That is a good point but now I am hearing that it is 35k per person, everyone will get winter fuel and it will be clawed back via tax which is a better system than having to fill in 16 pages of forms to get pension credit, I just find the gap incredible that they thought pensioners on 13k were wealthy....

[user104658]

That is a good point but now I am hearing that it is 35k per person, everyone will get winter fuel and it will be clawed back via tax which is a better system than having to fill in 16 pages of forms to get pension credit, I just find the gap incredible that they thought pensioners on 13k were wealthy....

£35k each for a couple in insane, imagine claiming a couple of hundred £ off your fuel bill when you're bringing in £70k combined and have no housing costs :joker:.

[Zizu]

Are they gonna backpay last year’s money ??


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They should compensate .. last years money should be paid back now !


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[joeysteele]

Thank goodness
Last year I went to Rome and came back to the news that despicably changes were being done to the winter fuel payment.
Although I agreed with it not paying paid to ALL of pension age, just for those on pension credit plan was too low a cut off point.

Now back from Rome again and it's been reversed.
Which I was readlly glad to see and I like the planning behind this new set up as to it.
This should have been how they did it last year.
However it's good news and the right thing to do, very welcome.

Now I hope to see a change as to the PIP points they were looking to increase.
Since at last, the Cabinet and particularly Ms Reeves seems to have found her ears now, more of these reversals please .
However better to think them through in the future before acting in a cold uncaring fashion.

[Ammi]

Thank goodness
Last year I went to Rome and came back to the news that despicably changes were being done to the winter fuel payment.
Although I agreed with it not paying paid to ALL of pension age, just for those on pension credit plan was too low a cut off point.

Now back from Rome again and it's been reversed.
Which I was readlly glad to see and I like the planning behind this new set up as to it.
This should have been how they did it last year.
However it's good news and the right thing to do, very welcome.

Now I hope to see a change as to the PIP points they were looking to increase.
Since at last, the Cabinet and particularly Ms Reeves seems to have found her ears now, more if these reversals please .
However better to think them through in the future before acting in a cold uncaring fashion.

…we did have to pull some political strings for this to be your welcome home news and we used your name a lot to open those political ears and doors…welcome back, sir…:love:..

[joeysteele]

…we did have to pull some political strings for this to be your welcome home news and we used your name a lot to open those political ears and doors…welcome back, sir…:love:..

It was great to see this once I got home re winter fuel payments.
As I cut off from news when I go away mostly.

:joker: oh Ms Reeves wouldn't listen to me, I have a feeling she would be sick of my and other Labour members moaning at her for the last 6 months about the winter fuel payment mess, and unnecessary mess too.:joker:

I'm just glad it's being put right again.

[bots]

i received a scam sms saying i had to complete a form or i would lose my eligibility. The scammers don't miss a trick