What are your thoughts on our multicultural society?

[Vanessa]

Do you think it works?
I've always been in favour of it.
But in recent events I've started to wonder if it's really possible for different cultures to coexist peacefully.
Immigration definitely needs to be regulated. Unchecked leads to trouble, i think.

[bots]

love it

[GiRTh]

We've had a multicultural society for almost 70 years. ITs had its ups and downs

[Liam-]

Necessary and right

[Ninastar]

I love being in multicultural places. I like learning about different ppls backgrounds. I’ve noticed that most people who are ‘foreign’ tend to be way more open minded than those who have never left their own country

[Benjamin]

I love it. I love learning about other cultures and seeing so many in one place.

[Beso]

I've met many friends I wouldnt have if it wernt..so it's a good thing.

[Ammi]

…well, being part of a large extended family that’s very layered and textured in different cultures and can help to see many perspectives…/…positive and negative life experiences shared etc…

[user104658]

There are cultural issues in every culture and being totally against multiculturalism suggests a blindness to the issues in one's own culture.


Or in other words... yes there are cultural challenges that are imported... but there are also plenty of social and cultural problems that are entirely home-grown. There isn't just one "UK culture". It simply doesn't exist. We have massive social, class and culture differences all across the UK that have nothing to do with immigration at all.

The solutions need to be better thought out and geared towards people being able to live together no matter their cultural differences... not kicking the can down the road and pretending that if we don't "let certain folks in" then there will be no cultural clashes or issues.

Tag along to an Old Firm game or two if you want to see a swathe of very white very British men still managing to have a "culture clash".

[GoldHeart]

The issue is far more complicated than that. Multiculturalism on its own isn't the problem... there's so much good that's come from it, think how many of us are from different heritages & ethnicity and cultures that have mixed together and become a positive community.

Britain is very diverse, it has adopted many religions, cultures & been introduced to many customs. Even food & cuisine here in the UK is probably the most enriched with so much variety, people are broadening their minds and learning new languages...which is a skill I always wish I had...to speak various languages.

The problem we're seeing is... A wave of people not respecting or caring about the law or values we have here in the UK . Whether that's because they're basing their botched morals on their own country & culture which are usually very problematic, some of them don't want to integrate ....and instead keep themselves to themselves.

Unfortunately there's also tension within different communities, politics etc .

Some just want to take advantage , it doesn't help that
the previous government badly handled the whole
immigration situation. This current government still
hasn't got a clue . Their answer is to just let everyone in the country with limited safety checks, They're not questioning the agenda of some of the people or if they're a danger.

But if anyone genuinely questions it they're called "xenophobic " and "racist" , I think it's a fair question to ask and have concerns. But like I said that's not to say every person from overseas or from a different background has ill intentions . This is where the waters get muddied between genuine arguments to then being accused of not wanting anyone to enter the country etc, words get twisted which helps nobody of course.

[Zizu]

I love foreigners.. in fact its so refreshing to be surrounded by people from all manner of countries when we go to holiday in Greece …

The problem we have had for decades is more and more immigrants arriving but NOT integrating ..

So we found ourselves being overcrowded with all services overstretching and huge pockets of different nationalities/ beliefs with nobody interaction or getting on .

Then just as things couldn’t get any worse we started getting hundreds of thousands of fighting age males coming in illegally by boat every year !!

We are considering escaping sometime in the next 6 months or so - sooner if all out turf wars or violent rioting starts to occur


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[smudgie]

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It’s brilliant.
You will always get ups and downs, but we benefit so much from it all.

[Cherie]

I love it, it was one of the things I loved about London when I arrived off the boat....literally :laugh: That said I think there are many areas of London and other big cities that are no longer multi but one culture, and you can feel a bit of an outsider, and that it not to say this didn't always happen like the Irish always lived in similar places in London and you have places like the Italian quarter and the French quarter and Little Italy but obviously and we cant shy away from it mass immigration into Europe is a problem and I have no idea how it can be stopped. 20 years ago you had a melting pot now you have loads of young men put up in hotels with no hope and nothing to do, and someone making a fortune from it, its not right

[Vanessa]

I love it, it was one of the things I loved about London when I arrived off the boat....literally :laugh: That said I think there are many areas of London and other big cities that are no longer multi but one culture, and you can feel a bit of an outsider, and that it not to say this didn't always happen like the Irish always lived in similar places in London and you have places like the Italian quarter and the French quarter and Little Italy but obviously and we cant shy away from it mass immigration into Europe is a problem and I have no idea how it can be stopped. 20 years ago you had a melting pot now you have loads of young men put up in hotels with no hope and nothing to do, and someone making a fortune from it, its not right

Yes they don't work, so they're free to roam the streets with their machetes.
It shouldn't be allowed.

[Oliver_W]

I honestly don't have strong feelings about it either way. I don't see it as good or bad.

[Cherie]

Yes they don't work, so they're free to roam the streets with their machetes.
It shouldn't be allowed.

I don't think the people who roam the streets with machetes are being put up in hotels, they are generally part of gangs, born and bred in Britain

[Vanessa]

I don't think the people who roam the streets with machetes are being put up in hotels, they are generally part of gangs, born and bred in Britain

That's even worse :skull:

[Glenn.]

Can’t think of any reason why anyone would be against it?

[joeysteele]

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It’s brilliant.
You will always get ups and downs, but we benefit so much from it all.

This.
Just sums it up for me too..

[user104658]

I love foreigners.. in fact its so refreshing to be surrounded by people from all manner of countries when we go to holiday in Greece …

The problem we have had for decades is more and more immigrants arriving but NOT integrating ..

So we found ourselves being overcrowded with all services overstretching and huge pockets of different nationalities/ beliefs with nobody interaction or getting on .

Then just as things couldn’t get any worse we started getting hundreds of thousands of fighting age males coming in illegally by boat every year !!

We are considering escaping sometime in the next 6 months or so - sooner if all out turf wars or violent rioting starts to occur


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That issue is two-pronged though - yes, there are issues with a lack of integration, but it's difficult (or impossible) for migrant populations to successfully integrate if they don't feel welcomed, and that's in sad decline.

You'll also find that 2nd/3rd generation migrants and beyond are far better intrgrated than their parents and grandparents. It takes time and mutual understanding. People are less and less willing to offer that.

[Livia]

I have no problem with it. However some places aren't multicultural anymore. It's better when people try to mix, but some people have no intention of mixing and instead their own communities take over whole areas. If you haven't lived somewhere that's changed beyond all recognition, you won't understand.

[user104658]

I have no problem with it. However some places aren't multicultural anymore. It's better when people try to mix, but some people have no intention of mixing and instead their own communities take over whole areas. If you haven't lived somewhere that's changed beyond all recognition, you won't understand.

The thing is again though this genuinely happens without any immigration at all, if you live in sleepy/small villages that start to become "gentrified" with city-commuting professionals etc.

You should see the local facebook groups around here. All-out war between "born and bred locals" and people who have moved into the area. And we're not talking immigrants or ghettoisation here - we're talking 4-and-5-bedroom homes with young families and still 99% white British.

Locals "who have been here for generations" do not like it at all.

We thought my wife was experiencing a racism from the elderly dad of a neighbour because she's from England -- but no -- apparently even being Scottish isn't good enough and he branded me an "interloper" as well because I grew up a 1.5 hour drive away :joker:.

[Zizu]

I love being in multicultural places. I like learning about different ppls backgrounds. I’ve noticed that most people who are ‘foreign’ tend to be way more open minded than those who have never left their own country


There is the proviso that the vast majority of serious/violent crimes and atrocities are perpetrated by non British…


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[user104658]

the vast majority of serious/violent crimes and atrocities are perpetrated by non British

I mean that's simply entirely false.

[Zizu]

I don't think the people who roam the streets with machetes are being put up in hotels, they are generally part of gangs, born and bred in Britain


Mmmm I’m not so sure about that .. how did you come to that conclusion ?

The footage we’ve seen over the last few months have shown crazy guys running around slashing with machetes screaming in foreign languages


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[Zizu]

I mean that's simply entirely false.


You only have to read or watch the news FFS


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[Livia]

I didn't grow up in a sleepy village, I grew up in Newham. It was always multicultural ever since the docks opened in the 1800s. My school had minorities from all over the world and I honestly don't remember issues based around race, apart from the Asian kids didn't mix with the white and West Indian kids. But the balance tipped too far. White people became the minority in the 1990s and now it's like a foreign country. An Asian country.

[Benjamin]

You only have to read or watch the news FFS


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That provides no statistics though, so that’s irrelevant.

[GoldHeart]

That provides no statistics though, so that’s irrelevant.

There still something very wrong, if people think they can go about with machetes like it's a fun accessory.

[Benjamin]

There still something very wrong, if people think they can go about with machetes like it's a fun accessory.

Of course but my point was in regards to Zizu’s comment about who the majority of violent crimes are committed by.

[Benjamin]

If anyone wants to know figures/stats for 2022:

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/ethnicity-and-the-criminal-justice-system-2022/statistics-on-ethnicity-and-the-criminal-justice-system-2022-html#:~:text=In%202022%2C%2077%25%20of%20all,6%25% 20of%20all%20female%20prosecutions.

[Zizu]

That provides no statistics though, so that’s irrelevant.


Check out all of horrendous crimes committed over the last year.. try and find more than a couple of British amongst the names

Why do you think millions are at breaking point and we are close to all out rioting .

Just takes one or two more ‘sparks’ like the other night .. it will only take something trivial now to set things off


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[Benjamin]

Check out all of horrendous crimes committed over the last year.. try and find more than a couple of British amongst the names

Why do you think millions are at breaking point and we are close to all out rioting .

Just takes one or two more ‘sparks’ like the other night .. it will only take something trivial now to set things off


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Again, irrelevant, no statistical evidence you’re providing there.

[Zizu]

If anyone wants to know figures/stats for 2022:

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/ethnicity-and-the-criminal-justice-system-2022/statistics-on-ethnicity-and-the-criminal-justice-system-2022-html#:~:text=In%202022%2C%2077%25%20of%20all,6%25% 20of%20all%20female%20prosecutions.


That’s all offences.. who gives a flying shyte about small time crimes

I was CLEARLY referring to SERIOUS , violent crimes and atrocities


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[Benjamin]

That’s all offences.. who gives a flying shyte about small time crimes

I was CLEARLY referring to SERIOUS , violent crimes and atrocities


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But still you’ve given no proven statistics.

[Zizu]

Again, irrelevant, no statistical evidence you’re providing there.


You just did the same quoting crime figures for late payment of speeding fines and the like

Who gives a feck about minor crimes


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[Zizu]

But still you’ve given no proven statistics.


Well your stats are completely and utterly irrelevant to this conversation


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[Benjamin]

You just did the same quoting crime figures for late payment of speeding fines and the like

Who gives a feck about minor crimes


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If you actually took the time to read it you’ll see it breaks things down.

For example:

Between 2019/20 and 2021/22, 68% of principal suspects convicted of homicide were from the white ethnic group, followed by 14% from the black ethnic group and 15% from the other ethnic group.

[Benjamin]

Well your stats are completely and utterly irrelevant to this conversation


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I’m not the one stating a fact though. You are, without anything concrete to back it up.

[Zizu]

I’m not the one stating a fact though. You are, without anything concrete to back it up.


Sometimes the obvious things are …. just obvious


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[Benjamin]

Sometimes the obvious things are …. just obvious


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Again, no evidence. Nice try though.

[Zizu]

If you actually took the time to read it you’ll see it breaks things down.

For example:


5 years ago ..

Things have escalated over the past week never mind the last 5 years


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[Benjamin]

5 years ago ..

Things have escalated over the past week never mind the last 5 years


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Actually it goes up until 2022. Correct my math if I’m wrong here, but that isn’t 5 years ago.

[Zizu]

Again, no evidence. Nice try though.


For what its worth the rest of us are living ( and dying) in 2024 …

Your 5 year old stats are completely irrelevant especially given the pace things are currently moving


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[Zizu]

Actually it goes up until 2022. Correct my math if I’m wrong here, but that isn’t 5 years ago.


Still irrelevant given the pace things are hotting up at currently

Figures from 6 months ago are now irrelevant


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[Benjamin]

For what its worth the rest of us are living ( and dying) in 2024 …

Your 5 year old stats are completely irrelevant especially given the pace things are currently moving


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Yet you still can’t find any stats to back it up!

[Zizu]

Yet you still can’t find any stats to back it up!


Neither can you


Find some stats over the last month or so for serious violent crimes / atrocities !!

How odd you repeatedly forget that we are talking about serious/ violent / atrocities not late payments of fines


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[Benjamin]

Neither can you


Find some stats over the last month or so for serious violent crimes / atrocities !!

How odd you repeatedly forget that we are talking about serious/ violent / atrocities not late payments of fines


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But I’m not the one stating a “fact”, you are. But with no evidence to back it up.

Also I’m not talking about fines. Not mentioned them once.

[user104658]

You only have to read or watch the news FFS


That's a terrible metric for getting at the facts.

If you'd said that a disproportionate amount of violent crime involves minorities that might be true but to say that the majority of violent crime in the UK does simply isn't the case. It involves white British males. Simple statistical fact, and one that you would expect, as the population is still (despite people's fears) 75% white British.

[Vanessa]

With London the problem is the gangs. And it's the reason I don't go to some areas anymore.
I would say both english people and minorities have serious criminals.

[Redway]

And the laughable thing is, Ness, you ain’t even English yourself. You emigrated here from Italy.

[Vanessa]

And the laughable thing is, Ness, you ain’t even English yourself. You emigrated here from Italy.

So? I can still have my opinion on things.

[Nicky91]

And the laughable thing is, Ness, you ain’t even English yourself. You emigrated here from Italy.

many italians also emigrated to the US long time ago

and many famous people came from those backgrounds too

- Dean Martin
- Frank Sinatra
- Robert De Niro
- Francis Ford Coppola

to name some, and many more

[Redway]

many italians also emigrated to the US long time ago

and many famous people came from those backgrounds too

- Dean Martin
- Frank Sinatra
- Robert De Niro
- Francis Ford Coppola

to name some, and many more

Just like many Chinese people emigrated to the U.K. a long time ago, many black people found themselves in the U.K. not just via slavery but through being seafarers centuries ago, etc. But Vanessa isn’t giving people like that a look in because they aren’t white. She might not mean to be an imparter of internalised racism but that’s what she’s doing. Fact remains she’s a foreigner herself and that’s the beginning and end of it.

[Vanessa]

Just like many Chinese people emigrated to the U.K. a long time ago, many black people found themselves in the U.K. not just via slavery but through being seafarers centuries ago, etc. But Vanessa isn’t giving people like that a look in because they aren’t white. She might not mean to be an imparter of internalised racism but that’s what she’s doing. Fact remains she’s a foreigner herself and that’s the beginning and end of it.

I'm not a racist.
But you can think what you want.
It's not racist to ask questions, especially after what is going on here in the UK.

[jet]

Between 2019/20 and 2021/22, 68% of principal suspects convicted of homicide were from the white ethnic group, followed by 14% from the black ethnic group and 15% from the other ethnic group.

As around 80% of British are white, those homicide conviction stats are much, much higher for ethnic minorities compared to white homicides.

[Benjamin]

As around 80% of British are white, those homicide conviction stats are much, much higher for ethnic minorities compared to white homicides.

I was responding to a comment which implied the majority of violent attacks were from non-British, which isn’t true.

[user104658]

She might not mean to be an imparter of internalised racism but that’s what she’s doing.

Let's face it she probably picked up a lot of it right here on TiBB but the staff simply are not listening one teeny tiny little bit. I honestly can't conclude anything at this point but that they (by which I mean, whoever is actually making the wider decisions, I know moderators hands may be tied) do not care. At all.

[Redway]

Let's face it she probably picked up a lot of it right here on TiBB but the staff simply are not listening one teeny tiny little bit. I honestly can't conclude anything at this point but that they (by which I mean, whoever is actually making the wider decisions, I know moderators hands may be tied) do not care. At all.

And that’s the beginning and end of it. Someone somewhere just does not give a stuff. Otherwise LeatherTrumpet would’ve been permbanned long-ago.

[Vanessa]

Let's face it she probably picked up a lot of it right here on TiBB but the staff simply are not listening one teeny tiny little bit. I honestly can't conclude anything at this point but that they (by which I mean, whoever is actually making the wider decisions, I know moderators hands may be tied) do not care. At all.

So we aren't allowed an opinion in here. Got it :hee:

[Redway]

So we aren't allowed an opinion in here. Got it :hee:

Oh, you can have your “opinion”. But other people have every right to challenge it. It’s a discussion-board after-all, as you’ve keenly pointed out.

[Vanessa]

Oh, you can have your “opinion”. But other people have every right to challenge it. It’s a discussion-board after-all, as you’ve keenly pointed out.
We can agree to disagree then. That's it.

[Ninastar]

The thing is again though this genuinely happens without any immigration at all, if you live in sleepy/small villages that start to become "gentrified" with city-commuting professionals etc.

You should see the local facebook groups around here. All-out war between "born and bred locals" and people who have moved into the area. And we're not talking immigrants or ghettoisation here - we're talking 4-and-5-bedroom homes with young families and still 99% white British.

Locals "who have been here for generations" do not like it at all.

We thought my wife was experiencing a racism from the elderly dad of a neighbour because she's from England -- but no -- apparently even being Scottish isn't good enough and he branded me an "interloper" as well because I grew up a 1.5 hour drive away :joker:.

The amount of hate I got in Scotland for being from England (and the US) was genuinely mind boggling. I’d have grown men get angry with me for wearing an England shirt. I felt like it was only the Scottish that were hateful, I never received any hate for being Scottish when I was in England

[Ninastar]

Let's face it she probably picked up a lot of it right here on TiBB but the staff simply are not listening one teeny tiny little bit. I honestly can't conclude anything at this point but that they (by which I mean, whoever is actually making the wider decisions, I know moderators hands may be tied) do not care. At all.

Twitter and FB have some very convincing accounts. For both sides. It’s easy to be swayed into a certain kind of rhetoric these days imo.

Best option is to learn from all views imo

[GoldHeart]

Just like many Chinese people emigrated to the U.K. a long time ago, many black people found themselves in the U.K. not just via slavery but through being seafarers centuries ago, etc. But Vanessa isn’t giving people like that a look in because they aren’t white. She might not mean to be an imparter of internalised racism but that’s what she’s doing. Fact remains she’s a foreigner herself and that’s the beginning and end of it.


So now you're saying Vanessa is racist?? , one minute she's a " foreigner herself" ( which could be seen as a little rude & baity) , to now she doesn't care about non white people ?.

This is why so many people don't get involved in these types of discussions,as words get twisted and names get called.

[Livia]

so far as I can see, Vanessa is talking about endless, unchecked immigration. She has a point, it's not racist to voice it.

[thesheriff443]

When you treat everyone the same you don’t get problems because one group can’t turn around and say the other group is getting treated differently

Yes have many religions and cultures but there must be one law for and one rule for everyone

Added to this you basically have ignorant people on all sides willing to go out the streets without knowing tge truth of why they are there

[Redway]

So now you're saying Vanessa is racist?? , one minute she's a " foreigner herself" ( which could be seen as a little rude & baity) , to now she doesn't care about non white people ?.

This is why so many people don't get involved in these types of discussions,as words get twisted and names get called.

There’s a difference between being consciously and intentionally racist and subconsciously letting yourself be swayed by the influence of white supremacy, which can be very insidious in how it permeates opinion. It’s not always intentional and it does not make an intentional racist but it happens nonetheless. It’s not always as simple as ‘I’m not racist; I have black friends, I have Asian friends, I even have mixed friends and I mean no harm x’. White supremacy like I say can be very insidious in the way it affects the world.

[user104658]

The amount of hate I got in Scotland for being from England (and the US) was genuinely mind boggling. I’d have grown men get angry with me for wearing an England shirt. I felt like it was only the Scottish that were hateful, I never received any hate for being Scottish when I was in England

As a Scotsman who lived in England for two years trust me it is there!

It's not the majority of people by a huge stretch don't get me wrong, but those who do "take issue" don't tend to hide it.

TBF wearing an England top in Scotland... is a statement... :joker:

[Vanessa]

so far as I can see, Vanessa is talking about endless, unchecked immigration. She has a point, it's not racist to voice it.

Yes that's what I'm worried about. Surely it's dangerous? We're seeing the results right now in the UK. It's frightening.

[Vanessa]

So now you're saying Vanessa is racist?? , one minute she's a " foreigner herself" ( which could be seen as a little rude & baity) , to now she doesn't care about non white people ?.

This is why so many people don't get involved in these types of discussions,as words get twisted and names get called.

Exactly. It's a discussion forum. There's no need for nastiness. We're not going to agree on everything in here, that's normal.

[GoldHeart]

There’s a difference between being consciously and intentionally racist and subconsciously letting yourself be swayed by the influence of white supremacy, which can be very insidious in how it permeates opinion. It’s not always intentional and it does not make an intentional racist but it happens nonetheless. It’s not always as simple as ‘I’m not racist; I have black friends, I have Asian friends, I even have mixed friends and I mean no harm x’. White supremacy like I say can be very insidious in the way it affects the world.

I know what you're saying ,and while I'll agree there is hatred & racism being stirred up ....not everyone feels the same way.

I know there's some talking heads out there who will be Sen as ' far right ' ,but why is it nowadays if anyone questions or has concerns over these topics...they automatically get thrown into the ' far right ' camp aswell.

I'm nowhere politically ...if anything I feel homeless in that area. I'm firmly in the centre:shrug: .

[LaLaLand]

Love it.

Main thing for me, being a big “foodie”, is the wide range of cuisine restaurants now here - when I was a kid it was just Indian or Chinese but now we have Turkish, Portuguese, Polish, Italian, Caribbean etc etc.

[Vanessa]

Love it.

Main thing for me, being a big “foodie”, is the wide range of cuisine restaurants now here - when I was a kid it was just Indian or Chinese but now we have Turkish, Portuguese, Polish, Italian, Caribbean etc etc.
The best thing about it : the food, definitely :laugh:

[GoldHeart]

Exactly. It's a discussion forum. There's no need for nastiness. We're not going to agree on everything in here, that's normal.

I think it's a valid conversation for sure, we can agree or disagree and be polite about it.

Love it.

Main thing for me, being a big “foodie”, is the wide range
of cuisine restaurants now here - when I was a kid it was
just Indian or Chinese but now we have Turkish,
Portuguese, Polish, Italian, Caribbean etc etc.

I agree ,I think that's one of the best thing about how diverse we are ,and how we are trying different cuisine from all over .

[MTVN]

Let's face it she probably picked up a lot of it right here on TiBB but the staff simply are not listening one teeny tiny little bit. I honestly can't conclude anything at this point but that they (by which I mean, whoever is actually making the wider decisions, I know moderators hands may be tied) do not care. At all.

I think twitter is the much bigger culprit given some of the links that have been posted on here in recent days

[arista]

We've had a multicultural society for almost 70 years. ITs had its ups and downs


Fair points

[Ninastar]

As a Scotsman who lived in England for two years trust me it is there!

It's not the majority of people by a huge stretch don't get me wrong, but those who do "take issue" don't tend to hide it.

TBF wearing an England top in Scotland... is a statement... :joker:

I had no clue lmao, I was just kid

I’m sure it happens the other way too. I just haven’t experienced it myself. I’d never say that a certain kind of people can’t receive any kind of xenophobic hate to me that’s just ignorant.

No matter where I live, I always stick out as a foreigner so I don’t really have a home town per se

It’s opened my eyes more than anything though. I am lucky to be able to see things the way I do

[Redway]

Even something as quintessentially British as tea (I prefer the herbal and Earl Greys of the world over bog-standard builders’ myself) comes from China.

[arista]

so far as I can see, Vanessa is talking about endless, unchecked immigration. She has a point, it's not racist to voice it.


Yes
it is still up to PM Starmer to stop it

[Vanessa]

Yes
it is still up to PM Starmer to stop it

He should have addressed it on his speech. I think it's a big problem.

[arista]

He should have addressed it on his speech. I think it's a big problem.


Hang on,
that speech was not planned.
He was angry and he limited the Press replies.

(Across the UK Riots were going on)


Once he has started changing
the Illegal Migrant Problem.
Then he will have a new TV and Radio conference

[arista]

I think twitter is the much bigger culprit given some of the links that have been posted on here in recent days


Sure Twitter
is a problem.


But many are using "Telegram"

[Telegram, a Dubai-based chat app
that has attracted a surge of new users,
including some far-right supporters fleeing purges
at other sites]

[Beso]

The amount of hate I got in Scotland for being from England (and the US) was genuinely mind boggling. I’d have grown men get angry with me for wearing an England shirt. I felt like it was only the Scottish that were hateful, I never received any hate for being Scottish when I was in England

I think you miss read the room, us Scots sound very angry when we are happy. In sure it was all harmless banter. If not, you are visiting the wrong places. Come further south nearer the border next time.

As a Scot who lived In essex for 12 years I often wore my Scotland top and had nothing but good humoured banter thrown my way..

[Vanessa]

Hang on,
that speech was not planned.
He was angry and he limited the Press replies.

(Across the UK Riots were going on)


Once he has started changing
the Illegal Migrant Problem.
Then he will have a new TV and Radio conference
Well I hope he mentions it. Something needs to be done. People are scared to go out, it's that bad.

[Vanessa]

Sure Twitter
is a problem.


But many are using "Telegram"

[Telegram, a Dubai-based chat app
that has attracted a surge of new users,
including some far-right supporters fleeing purges
at other sites]

Never heard of it. I'll have a look on my phone.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think twitter is the much bigger culprit given some of the links that have been posted on here in recent days

yet you would happily post BBC links?

joke


:joker:

[Zizu]

But I’m not the one stating a “fact”, you are. But with no evidence to back it up.

Also I’m not talking about fines. Not mentioned them once.


You quoted some stats on offences which will include unpaid fines .. whereas I have ONLY been talking about serious violent offences / atrocities and those despicable grooming gangs


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[MTVN]

yet you would happily post BBC links?

joke


:joker:

Yes rather take my chances with a publicly funded and fully regulated broadcaster than the leader of Britain First shitposting on twitter :thumbs:

[Zizu]

That's a terrible metric for getting at the facts.

If you'd said that a disproportionate amount of violent crime involves minorities that might be true but to say that the majority of violent crime in the UK does simply isn't the case. It involves white British males. Simple statistical fact, and one that you would expect, as the population is still (despite people's fears) 75% white British.


Not really..

Even in sport its the people who can see whats going on in a game who are the best judges of events .. the statisticians understand very little.


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[Benjamin]

You quoted some stats on offences which will include unpaid fines .. whereas I have ONLY been talking about serious violent offences / atrocities and those despicable grooming gangs


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You clearly didn’t read the link in full then. It breaks things down.

[Cherie]

Let's face it she probably picked up a lot of it right here on TiBB but the staff simply are not listening one teeny tiny little bit. I honestly can't conclude anything at this point but that they (by which I mean, whoever is actually making the wider decisions, I know moderators hands may be tied) do not care. At all.

Bit patronising?

[Zizu]

That's a terrible metric for getting at the facts.

If you'd said that a disproportionate amount of violent crime involves minorities that might be true but to say that the majority of violent crime in the UK does simply isn't the case. It involves white British males. Simple statistical fact, and one that you would expect, as the population is still (despite people's fears) 75% white British.


Maybe I should have said the serious/ violent crimes are disproportionate .. though I cant recall any British offenders of serious , violent offences or atrocities in recent times .. if there have been it certainly feels like they are the in the minority


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[joeysteele]

Hang on,
that speech was not planned.
He was angry and he limited the Press replies.

(Across the UK Riots were going on)


Once he has started changing
the Illegal Migrant Problem.
Then he will have a new TV and Radio conference

These murders were nothing to do with illegal immigrants though.

He's charging the police to do all they have to in order to ensure they can deal with these riots more effectively.

This guy charged isn't an illegal immigrant.
He was BORN here.

These rioters had the totally wrong end of the stick when they went out and caused the chaos.

[GoldHeart]

Maybe I should have said the serious/ violent crimes are disproportionate .. though I cant recall any British offenders of serious , violent offences or atrocities in recent times .. if there have been it certainly feels like they are the in the minority


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It seems that way but
What about the vile pedo who throw a boy off a cliff.... after he found out about him abusing his sister?.

[Livia]

I think twitter is the much bigger culprit given some of the links that have been posted on here in recent days

Personally, I find the suggestion that people's opinions are formed as a result of reading posts on here is pretty insulting.

[Alf]

Yes rather take my chances with a publicly funded and fully regulated broadcaster than the leader of Britain First shitposting on twitter :thumbs:The home of Jimmy Saville, Stuart Hall, Rolf Harris, Huw Edwards. And they're just the ones we know about. And I probably missed some off that we do know about.

Not regulated too well, is it?

[MTVN]

The home of Jimmy Saville, Stuart Hall, Rolf Harris, Huw Edwards. And they're just the ones we know about. And I probably missed some off that we do know about.

Not regulated too well, is it?

It's output is thankfully

[Alf]

It's output is thankfullyLike newsnight. This guy was a regular on there.


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[Alf]

Don't forget this lad on BBC's Children in need


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[GiRTh]

Don't forget this lad on BBC's Children in need


1819415990691561713Is that really him? The plot thickens. He cant really be painted as some disadvantaged youth with few prospects.

I still dont like that we have no photos of him as nan adult. This cute little kid didnt commit these atrocities.

[Vanessa]

Is that really him? The plot thickens. He cant really be painted as some disadvantaged youth with few prospects.

I still dont like that we have no photos of him as nan adult. This cute little kid didnt commit these atrocities.
Yes I saw this. It gets more and more bizarre!

[Alf]

Probably just a coincidence that this monster was in a BBC video and the Trump attempted assassin was in a Vangard video.

Probably definitely no grooming been going on. Obviously just a coincidence.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Probably just a coincidence that this monster was in a BBC video and the Trump attempted assassin was in a Vangard video.

Probably definitely no grooming been going on. Obviously just a coincidence.

:nono:

look at the poor wee boy being doctor who

its the far right at fault Alf not the parents ((and the local mosque maybe))

Farage and his thugs are the problem

[Cherie]

Don't forget this lad on BBC's Children in need


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wtf I thought he never left the house

are we sure that is him?

[Vanessa]

wtf I thought he never left the house

are we sure that is him?

That's definitely him. The same guy they said hasn't left the house in a while :suspect:

[Beso]

The home of Jimmy Saville, Stuart Hall, Rolf Harris, Huw Edwards. And they're just the ones we know about. And I probably missed some off that we do know about.

Not regulated too well, is it?

Tim westwood, tipped off by someone from tibb when I came on here with a story about fixing his telly..

Nearly cost me my job that one, and I had to grovel to the slimey **** on the phone for it.

[Alf]

Got another one from the BBC for you MTVN


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[Mystic Mock]

Do you think it works?
I've always been in favour of it.
But in recent events I've started to wonder if it's really possible for different cultures to coexist peacefully.
Immigration definitely needs to be regulated. Unchecked leads to trouble, i think.

We wouldn't have yourself in the country Vanessa without immigration, and that would be a huge loss, as you're a friendly person imo.

I do believe that we should be doing background checks though, to try and stop convicts from other countries from getting into the country.

[Mystic Mock]

The amount of hate I got in Scotland for being from England (and the US) was genuinely mind boggling. I’d have grown men get angry with me for wearing an England shirt. I felt like it was only the Scottish that were hateful, I never received any hate for being Scottish when I was in England

Some people in Scotland can't get over a war that we had with them before any of us were even born.

It's quite a sad reason to hate a group of people tbh.

[Vanessa]

We wouldn't have yourself in the country Vanessa without immigration, and that would be a huge loss, as you're a friendly person imo.

I do believe that we should be doing background checks though, to try and stop convicts from other countries from getting into the country.

Ah definitely. They aren't checking and that's the biggest problem.

[Mystic Mock]

I think twitter is the much bigger culprit given some of the links that have been posted on here in recent days

YouTube has some pretty dark Political spaces if you search deep enough.

And yes I have searched deep enough, some make Ryan Kinel seem logical and sane.:joker:

Or Melonie Mac as someone that doesn't take her religious beliefs to a slightly fanatical level in comparison.

People need to seriously check this video out for what I mean.

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And this is just over black people playing Football for England.

[Mystic Mock]

Yes rather take my chances with a publicly funded and fully regulated broadcaster than the leader of Britain First shitposting on twitter :thumbs:

I'm still recovering from my debate with Alf on that thread.:laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

Don't forget this lad on BBC's Children in need


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They're meant to see into the future?

Fair points on your other issues with the BBC, but I think that this one is clutching at straws.

[Vanessa]

They're meant to see into the future?

Fair points on your other issues with the BBC, but I think that this one is clutching at straws.
Yes how were they supposed to know?

[Zizu]

Can you amend the thread title ?

Pretty sure it should say “what ARE” rather than “what IF”


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[Mystic Mock]

Yes how were they supposed to know?

Exactly.

I didn't think that anti-BBC rhetoric would stoop to attacking them for not being mind readers.

With all due respect to anyone on here when I say this, but what's going on in society?:umm2:

[Vanessa]

Can you amend the thread title ?

Pretty sure it should say “what ARE” rather than “what IF”


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Done sorry. Didn't realize.