England manager Lee Carsley will not sing, the national anthem

[arista]

BBC News Text:
[England manager Lee Carsley,
who has suggested he will not sing
God Save the King.
The Birmingham-born coach who
played for Ireland said that he never
would sing the national anthem,
adding he was "always really focused
on the game".
The paper writes if he does not sing it
will be in "stark contrast" to Gareth Southgate.]

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[Kate!]

England interim boss Lee Carsley's audition for the top job has been overshadowed after making the shock confession he does not intend to sing the national anthem.

Carsley will take charge of the national team against the Republic of *Ireland for the opening game of what is set to be a six-match trial in his efforts to become Gareth Southgate's full-time successor.

[Kate!]

Was just checking if there was a thread on this before I made one.

Appalling. A really bad example to set. Reprimand him.

Editing this. Have rethought my replace him comment. I don't genuinely wish him to lose his job. Fair enough. I was wrong to hastily say that.

[bots]

He isn't British, why would he? Also, its not compulsory

[Liam-]

Which is his right as a free citizen

[arista]

Was just checking if there was a thread on this before I made one.

Appalling. A really bad example to set. Replace him.



He says he is too busy

[Kate!]

He says he is too busy

Utter bullsh1t.

[arista]

PM Starmer is there
he can sing it

[Kate!]

He isn't British, why would he? Also, its not compulsory

Which is his right as a free citizen

Nobody is saying its compulsory. Its respectful. I don't agree with either of these posts. It should go hand in hand with the job. Takes two minutes, and he has to stand there anyway?

[Nicky91]

managers don't have to sing along to the national anthems if they don't want to, certain players also don't sing along, those who do not know the lyrics that is


foreign managers i don't expect to sing along to the anthem like ever, that goes for every country which has a foreign coach

[Nicky91]

there are other ways for foreign managers to be loved as national team managers for other countries

like Queiroz is well loved in Iran for example


Brian Kerr is a cult icon in the Faroe Islands :D

[Livia]

He isn't British, why would he? Also, its not compulsory

He was born in Birmingham. How is he not British?

[Kate!]

He was born in Birmingham. How is he not British?

Good point

[Cherie]

He says he has never sung the Anthem, i.e the Irish one when he played for Ireland and wont now, he is a football manager not a singer

[Crimson Dynamo]

Imagine lying as to why, what a wanker.

[bots]

He was born in Birmingham. How is he not British?

He played for the republic of ireland, which means his chosen nationality is irish

[Crimson Dynamo]

He played for the republic of ireland, which means his chosen nationality is irish

Don't talk bollocks

He was able to play due to an Irish grandmother

He is as English as they come

If you can point to Dublin on a map the Irish will snap you up to play for them

Ironically Declan Rice and Jack Grealish have made it 2-0 at half time

:joker:

Must be the luck of the Irish!

[Liam-]

It doesn’t matter what his nationality is, if someone doesn’t want to sing a song dedicated to an institution they fundamentally disagree with, he can’t be forced to and he shouldn’t be threatened with losing his job for choosing not to, his job is football, it’s got nothing to do with the royals

[Kate!]

It doesn’t matter what his nationality is, if someone doesn’t want to sing a song dedicated to an institution they fundamentally disagree with, he can’t be forced to and he shouldn’t be threatened with losing his job for choosing not to, his job is football, it’s got nothing to do with the royals

Garbage

[bots]

it's not garbage. I've never sung a national anthem, most people haven't

[Liam-]

Yes, let’s threaten peoples jobs because they don’t bend the knee to unelected benefit scroungers called the royals, that’s totally sane and representative of freedom

[arista]

He played for the republic of ireland, which means his chosen nationality is irish


Clever trick

[Kate!]

Yes, let’s threaten peoples jobs because they don’t bend the knee to unelected benefit scroungers called the royals, that’s totally sane and representative of freedom

Nobody said he had to bend the knee? I wouldn't do that. But I would sing the national anthem.

[Cherie]

Don't talk bollocks

He was able to play due to an Irish grandmother

He is as English as they come

If you can point to Dublin on a map the Irish will snap you up to play for them

Ironically Declan Rice and Jack Grealish have made it 2-0 at half time

:joker:

Must be the luck of the Irish!


The best sign in the crowd ...the snakes are back with a picture of the two turncoats

[Vanessa]

He should definitely sing the national anthem.

[Liam-]

Nobody said he had to bend the knee? I wouldn't do that. But I would sing the national anthem.

You want to force him to do something he doesn’t doesn’t want to under the fear of losing his job, so yes you want him to bend the knee, he doesn’t have to sing the national anthem and people like you demanding that everybody does are the reason more and more people are seeing the light and refusing to do so

[Kate!]

You want to force him to do something he doesn’t doesn’t want to under the fear of losing his job, so yes you want him to bend the knee, he doesn’t have to sing the national anthem and people like you demanding that everybody does are the reason more and more people are seeing the light and refusing to do so

No. You are wrong. I just told you clearly I don't want him to bend the knee? Don't tell me how my own mind works!

I'm not demanding that EVERYBODY does at all. You're twisting my words. What I am saying us that in that position, as manager, it's appropriate that HE does.

[Liam-]

No. You are wrong. I just told you clearly I don't want him to bend the knee? Don't tell me how my own mind works!

I'm not demanding that EVERYBODY does at all. You're twisting my words. What I am saying us that in that position, as manager, it's appropriate that HE does.

Bend the knee as in fold to intimidation and do something he doesn’t agree with against his will, not physically bend the knee, which is literally what you’re suggesting should happen to him, either he goes against his beliefs and his freedoms or he should lose his job because weirdos hate people not singing a stupid song

[Cherie]

Half the decent England players have Irish roots 😎

[Livia]

He played for the republic of ireland, which means his chosen nationality is irish

Because his Granny or his Mum was Irish maybe. He was born in England. Declan Rice and Jack Grealish both played for RO Ireland now they play for England. You don't have to take up citizenship.

[Kate!]

Bend the knee as in fold to intimidation and do something he doesn’t agree with against his will, not physically bend the knee, which is literally what you’re suggesting should happen to him, either he goes against his beliefs and his freedoms or he should lose his job because weirdos hate people not singing a stupid song

I'm a weirdo? I don't hate him not singing the song at all. Did I say that? I don't think so. In my opinion he's just being arrogant, it's lip service, it won't kill him to sing for two minutes? He doesn't have to mean it. Fgs.

[Livia]

Don't talk bollocks

He was able to play due to an Irish grandmother

He is as English as they come

If you can point to Dublin on a map the Irish will snap you up to play for them

Ironically Declan Rice and Jack Grealish have made it 2-0 at half time

:joker:

Must be the luck of the Irish!

Soz, didn't see this post before I posted almost the same thing above.

[Liam-]

I'm a weirdo? I don't hate him not singing the song at all. Did I say that? I don't think so. In my opinion he's just being arrogant, it's lip service, it won't kill him to sing for two minutes? He doesn't have to mean it. Fgs.

Yes, you want to force him to do something he doesn’t want to do or risk losing his job, that’s weird, he doesn’t have to sing a song to be a football manager, it’s ridiculous

[Kate!]

Yes, you want to force him to do something he doesn’t want to do or risk losing his job, that’s weird, he doesn’t have to sing a song to be a football manager, it’s ridiculous

It's part and parcel of the job, he must have known that. If he feels that strongly he shouldn't have taken the job then? He wants the money and the privilege. Again I'm not at all saying that all people should sing but I don't get the hardship of paying lip service for two minutes. Saying he's too busy is total bollocks.

[bots]

It's part and parcel of the job, he must have known that. If he feels that strongly he shouldn't have taken the job then? He wants the money and the privilege. Again I'm not at all saying that all people should sing but I don't get the hardship of paying lip service for two minutes. Saying he's too busy is total bollocks.

it's not part of the job

[Kate!]

it's not part of the job

I disagree.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I disagree.

Quite right Kate

An English manager if the national team not singing the national anthem is disgusting

[Vanessa]

Quite right Kate

An English manager if the national team not singing the national anthem is disgusting
Yes it's not right.

[Liam-]

I disagree.

You can disagree but you’re factually incorrect, nowhere in his contract will there be a provision that he has to sing the national anthem, his job is football manager, not plastic patriot

[Kate!]

You can disagree but you’re factually incorrect, nowhere in his contract will there be a provision that he has to sing the national anthem, his job is football manager, not plastic patriot

Don't be so pedantic. Its common sense that it's expected. It doesn't need to be in a contract.

[Kate!]

Quite right Kate

An English manager if the national team not singing the national anthem is disgusting

Yes it's not right.

Correct

[Liam-]

Don't be so pedantic. Its common sense that it's expected. It doesn't need to be in a contract.

Incorrect, again

[Mystic Mock]

He isn't British, why would he? Also, its not compulsory

He is from Birmingham.

He only played for ROI because he wasn't good enough to play for England.

And I'm saying this as someone that does like Lee Carsley, although I'm not sure about him being the England Manager.

[Kate!]

Incorrect, again

Nope afraid not. Look, he wants the money and the kudos of the position. I hope he turns out to be a good manager. I have nothing against him. But it's foolish.

[Mystic Mock]

Which is his right as a free citizen

Free will was so 2012.

[Liam-]

Nope afraid not. Look, he wants the money and the kudos of the position. I hope he turns out to be a good manager. I have nothing against him. But it's foolish.

Yes it’s incorrect, if you want him to lose his job for not singing a silly song, then singing the silly song should be in the contract he signs, since it’s not, he has every right, or should have anyway, to not sing the song without royalists and weirdos wanting him sacked for not doing so, he wants the job of managing a football team, the job isn’t to sing it’s to coach, which he’ll do

[Kate!]

Yes it’s incorrect, if you want him to lose his job for not singing a silly song, then singing the silly song should be in the contract he signs, since it’s not, he has every right, or should have anyway, to not sing the song without royalists and weirdos wanting him sacked for not doing so, he wants the job of managing a football team, the job isn’t to sing it’s to coach, which he’ll do

I haven't once said I want him to lose his job :conf:

You do you. I'm not arguing the toss with you any further. Yawn.

[Liam-]

I haven't once said I want him to lose his job :conf:

You do you. I'm not arguing the toss with you any further. Yawn.

Was just checking if there was a thread on this before I made one.

Appalling. A really bad example to set. Replace him.

Your second post in this thread you literally say ‘replace him.’ :joker:

Do try and keep up with your own nonsense

[Kate!]

Your second post in this thread you literally say ‘replace him.’ :joker:

Do try and keep up with your own nonsense

Ok. Fair enough, you got me on that one. I've gone back and edited my post.

Just to add, what I've said throughout the thread has been my opinion. I'm not claiming it as gospel.

[Mystic Mock]

I want Carsley and the England National team to sing Dream On by Aerosmith.

Including the famous scream.:joker:

[Kate!]

I want Carsley and the England National team to sing Dream On by Aerosmith.

Including the famous scream.:joker:

Ahh, that would be awesome.

[AnnieK]

Nah, couldn't give two hoots if he sings the song or not. Half the players don't sing it.

How he manages is a different matter....that I will hold him to account for.

He's only interim manager anyway isn't he? Don't think he's that arsed about money or fame.

[Cherie]

I very much doubt the Icelandic Manager of Ireland sang Amhran Na BhFiann, and I have seen countless managers over the years not sing national anthems not sure why this has been given column inches must be a slow news day

[Cherie]

He is from Birmingham.

He only played for ROI because he wasn't good enough to play for England.

And I'm saying this as someone that does like Lee Carsley, although I'm not sure about him being the England Manager.

Very disrespectful Mock, some players will choose Ireland over England

You are not all that, its been like 900 years since you won anything :laugh:

[Dogeatdog]

I couldn’t really care if he wants to sing the national anthem or not. It’s his prerogative if he wants to sing it or not and it’s his choice as to what country he chooses to represent regarding his heritage is concerned.

Considering he is managing the England team albeit as an interim I can understand peoples frustration on not singing the national anthem but I’m more concerned about the results of the game and how the players perform, and that’s what I would judge him on.

[Beso]

I'm only bothered if he doesnt wear a poppy

[Beso]

Very disrespectful Mock, some players will choose Ireland over England

You are not all that, its been like 900 years since you won anything :laugh:

If you had watched the first 30 seconds of any england game in the past 58 years you would know own its been 58 years

[Cherie]

If you had watched the first 30 seconds of any england game in the past 58 years you would know own its been 58 years

:laugh: may as well be 900

[Beso]

:laugh: may as well be 900

It's all they've got..if they ain't winning, they are looking for excuses. They think its their God given right to be on top of the pile. Bunch of fairies, absolutely no team spirit either.

[Beso]

Nope afraid not. Look, he wants the money and the kudos of the position. I hope he turns out to be a good manager. I have nothing against him. But it's foolish.

Actually, someone else wants to give him the money and kudos why in earth would he pass the opportunity up? And why on earth would someone sing something if they dont mean it. That shows weakness to the opposition, a man who would bow down to the baying public and thier opinions has no place as a sports leader

[Crimson Dynamo]

2-0


Both goals by Irish lads


Where is the pride!
?

[MTVN]

Nobhead

If you want to manage the national team then sing the national anthem

[Kate!]

Nobhead

If you want to manage the national team then sing the national anthem

Great response 👍

[joeysteele]

Nah, if he doesn't want to sing it, there's no reason he should.

I wish we had a different anthem anyhow myself, I think ours is boring.
I still find I sing Queen instead of King too.
Old habits die hard.

However I don't think anyone should have to sing it who doesn't wish to.

[Mystic Mock]

Very disrespectful Mock, some players will choose Ireland over England

You are not all that, its been like 900 years since you won anything :laugh:

With all due respect, but with Republic and Northern Ireland's talent pool being split into two national teams it does make it easier for someone like Lee Carsley to get into the team.

Where as he wouldn't have got in the midfield for England back then, and I am saying this as someone that liked Lee Carsley for Blues and Everton.

Edit... I didn't mean to be disrespectful btw, I do realize that I probably should've worded a bit better.

Plus I do like to see both Ireland National teams do well, as I feel sorry for the fact that they are disadvantaged by being split in two.

[Mystic Mock]

It's all they've got..if they ain't winning, they are looking for excuses. They think its their God given right to be on top of the pile. Bunch of fairies, absolutely no team spirit either.

I do 100% agree with this.

England aren't the best team in Football (apart from one tournament) and we do have a habit of looking for excuses when we don't win them.

The only one where I feel like England were genuinely probably robbed would have to be the Hand Of God, because come on!:laugh:

But other than that, England have more than likely just not been good enough.

[Mystic Mock]

2-0


Both goals by Irish lads


Where is the pride!
?

Grealish is a Villa fan from Birmingham.:laugh:

Rice, I have no clue about his personal life story.

[Nicky91]

I very much doubt the Icelandic Manager of Ireland sang Amhran Na BhFiann, and I have seen countless managers over the years not sing national anthems not sure why this has been given column inches must be a slow news day

neither did Il Trap, when he was in charge of Ireland

[Beso]

I would be more concerned about rice not celebrating his goal..tells me who he really thinks he is.

[Beso]

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[smudgie]

Sing or not sing, personal choice.
I remember years ago my mother didn’t stand up and sing the anthem at the British legion club. You think she had killed the cat the way the people went on about it.

[Cherie]

Sing or not sing, personal choice.
I remember years ago my mother didn’t stand up and sing the anthem at the British legion club. You think she had killed the cat the way the people went on about it.

:joker:

[Cherie]

With all due respect, but with Republic and Northern Ireland's talent pool being split into two national teams it does make it easier for someone like Lee Carsley to get into the team.

Where as he wouldn't have got in the midfield for England back then, and I am saying this as someone that liked Lee Carsley for Blues and Everton.

Edit... I didn't mean to be disrespectful btw, I do realize that I probably should've worded a bit better.

Plus I do like to see both Ireland National teams do well, as I feel sorry for the fact that they are disadvantaged by being split in two.

aw with hindsight Mock I should have realised that as its not really you

[bots]

England have had 2 foreign managers, neither of which sang the anthem, zero outcry

[Cherie]

England have had 2 foreign managers, neither of which sang the anthem, zero outcry

Exactly, its not compulsory

[Crimson Dynamo]

England have had 2 foreign managers, neither of which sang the anthem, zero outcry

wrong again Bots

Sven did sing the anthem

[AnnieK]

wrong again Bots

Sven did sing the anthem

He said he tried but could never remember the words :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

He said he tried but could never remember the words :laugh:

Lucky he isnt (RIP Sven) manager now

as the words have changed!

:omgno:

[thesheriff443]

aw with hindsight Mock I should have realised that as its not really you

Get off mocks back cherie :joker:

[Livia]

Imagine the USA's manager saying they're not singing the national anthem. Or Scotland. Or Ireland... People would be outraged. But it's different with England, the English aren't supposed to be patriotic because it bothers some people for some reason.

[Beso]

Imagine the USA's manager saying they're not singing the national anthem. Or Scotland. Or Ireland... People would be outraged. But it's different with England, the English aren't supposed to be patriotic because it bothers some people for some reason.

It's never ever been tradition for the scottish football team to belt out the anthem. The rugby team, well that's a different matter, but the football team usually looks like an load of embarrassed pupils forces to sing hymns at assembly.

[Beso]

I'm not even sure if flower of Scotland was our nations anthem back in the day (1978) and England, get tae **** with god save the king, you ain't playing for britain.

[Crimson Dynamo]

For us fans we sing outside loud every week but these players dont not being fans so it must feel weird

[GiRTh]

The team looked good in the first half so I frankly dont care.

I like he's giving young players a chance that he's worked with before.

[bots]

i think england created more chances in that game than they did in the whole of the euros :laugh:

[GiRTh]

i think england created more chances in that game than they did in the whole of the euros :laugh:

Yeah. Probably did :laugh:

[Nicky91]

i never sing our dutch national anthem LOL


i always rise for the German National anthem though :love: because we all got germanic in our blood tbh and i also rise for the Belgian national anthem, they are our southern neighbours and a much better country too

[Glenn.]

He hasn’t got to sing the anthem. Half the players don’t even sing it