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Niamh.
17-09-2024, 10:34 AM
bots Ammi Just finished listening to a podcast on this case from the late 80's/early 90's, hadn't heard of it before but I think it was quite a big story at the time. It's an interesting one, this show about it is coming to Netflix on the 19th of this month
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LaLaLand
17-09-2024, 11:40 AM
Looking forward to this, the Jeffrey Dahmer series last time was fantastic albeit harrowing.
I thought given the end of that series that this would be about John Wayne Gacy since he featured briefly in it so was surprised they’ve gone down the route of The Menendez Brothers.
If what they say (and others) is to be believed it’s not the brothers who were technically the “monsters” either so I’m intrigued to see how this pans out and how the brothers are portrayed.
Niamh.
17-09-2024, 11:47 AM
Looking forward to this, the Jeffrey Dahmer series last time was fantastic albeit harrowing.
I thought given the end of that series that this would be about John Wayne Gacy since he featured briefly in it so was surprised they’ve gone down the route of The Menendez Brothers.
If what they say (and others) is to be believed it’s not the brothers who were technically the “monsters” either so I’m intrigued to see how this pans out and how the brothers are portrayed.
Yeah, it's a complicated story/family dynamic to say the least...
Niamh.
17-09-2024, 11:51 AM
Also, maybe why they've went with this story next is (don't click if you don't know anything about the story and don't want to know)
There's some new evidence that supports the brothers claim of sexual abuse that they're hoping could get their sentence reduced/free them which I hope happens
…this always comes up on my homepage when I click on a Netflix…(…it’s annoying because I tried to click on it the first time and Netflix now do this ‘coming soon’ teaser thing, when it used to be just things new and showing….anyway, I have my eye on it ready for its launch…I’m not sure whether I know any of the story or not and I don’t want to Google and see any information…I just want to go into it blind…
Niamh.
17-09-2024, 01:10 PM
…this always comes up on my homepage when I click on a Netflix…(…it’s annoying because I tried to click on it the first time and Netflix now do this ‘coming soon’ teaser thing, when it used to be just things new and showing….anyway, I have my eye on it ready for its launch…I’m not sure whether I know any of the story or not and I don’t want to Google and see any information…I just want to go into it blind…
Yeah, if I were you I'd go in blind, I guess just bear in mind it's a dramatisation rather than documentary. I hope they stay as truthful to the real story as they can though (I'm sure they will)
that's today, i will look out for it!
LaLaLand
19-09-2024, 06:59 AM
It’s been announced that the next series will be all about Ed Gein with Charlie Hunnam playing him.
https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/monster-season-3-charlie-hunnam-ed-gein-1236147000/
Gein, who also hailed from Wisconsin like Dahmer, became infamous in the 1950s when authorities discovered that he not only had killed multiple people, but had dug up graves from a cemetery near his home and fashioned all manner of household items and clothing from human remains. Gein’s case served as an inspiration for several major pop culture characters later on, including Norman Bates in “Psycho” and Buffalo Bill in “Silence of the Lambs.”
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Niamh.
19-09-2024, 09:26 AM
that's today, i will look out for it!
I'll probably wait till tomorrow night to start it, looking forward to seeing what they do with it though after listening to the true facts of the case, i hope they don't mess around with it too much (they really shouldn't have to either because the truth is as strange in this case imo)
It’s been announced that the next series will be all about Ed Gein with Charlie Hunnam playing him.
https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/monster-season-3-charlie-hunnam-ed-gein-1236147000/
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Oh I like Charlie Hunnam, that story sounds gruesome
…it’s had some criticism…or I should say that Netflix has had criticism for ‘glamourising serial killers’…I didn’t read the article yet as I didn’t get a chance, I just read the headline a few days ago…let me see if I can find it…
Sons of Anarchy star Charlie Hunnam has been cast as the notorious serial killer Ed Gein in season three of the Netflix show Monster by Ryan Murphy and not everyone is happy about the choice.
The true crime anthology series is set to return to Netflix on 19 September with the focus being on the Menendez brothers, Lyle and Erik, who were convicted of the murder of their parents in 1996.
Season one of the hit show saw Mare of Easttown and X-Men star Evan Peters play Jeffrey Dahmer, the man also known as the ‘Milwaukee Cannibal’ or the ‘Milwaukee Monster’, who committed the murder and dismemberment of 17 men and boys between 1978 and 1991.
Even before season two has landed on Netflix, the show has announced that season three will concentrate on Ed Gein, a serial killer who has inspired numerous fictional killers in pop culture including Leatherface in The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Norman Bates in Psycho and Buffalo Bill in The Silence of the Lambs.
44-year-old Hunnam will play Gein, who in 1957 was revealed to have murdered two women and robbed multiple graves, using the stolen body parts to decorate his home and even create furniture and clothing.
This won’t be the first time that Gein’s story has been recreated. A 2000 film named In the Light of the Moon, but also known as Ed Gein, starring Steve Railsback was largely panned by critics.
Reaction to a new depiction of Gein’s story has already faced some pushback on social media, with many feeling that Hunnam isn’t the right person to play the role.
One person wrote: “Unpopular opinion: we need to stop romanticising serial killers. I love Charlie Hunnam and am willing to see this portrayal, but Ed Gein is not a person I’d ever want to meet in real life.”
A second added: “Ed Gein is evil. These killers are evil. These Ryan Murphy shows are making them into sex symbols.”
A third said: “Ed Gein was one of the worst serial killers to ever live, he inspired Psycho and Leatherface and he did not look like Charlie Hunnam. He should not be hot.”
The Monster series, despite becoming a sensation has not been without controversy. After the first season became a hit it was soon condemned by many viewers who felt it was exploitative.
Families of Jeffrey Dahmer’s victims also spoke out, saying the series was re-traumatising. A Milwaukee attorney, who previously represented a number of the families, later called on Murphy to share the profits with his former clients.
“The only meaningful Dahmer victim family action on Murphy’s part would be a monetary consideration from the Netflix profits for their exploitation and continuing trauma,” attorney Thomas M Jacobson said at the time.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/netflix-told-stop-romanticising-serial-120501551.html
…I watched one and a bit episodes, it was pretty good…I’m not sure that I was familiar with the story of the brothers at all so that makes it more intriguing…
Niamh.
20-09-2024, 07:04 AM
…I watched one and a bit episodes, it was pretty good…I’m not sure that I was familiar with the story of the brothers at all so that makes it more intriguing…I'm going to start it tonight
Niamh.
20-09-2024, 10:33 AM
I'm doing my best to avoid online reaction to this but I'm getting the impression a lot of people aren't happy with how the show is going Vs fact or popular opinions on the case
I'm doing my best to avoid online reaction to this but I'm getting the impression a lot of people aren't happy with how the show is going Vs fact or popular opinions on the case
…oh, other than that first article that I posted which was more a Netflix in general criticism of glamourising serial killers, I haven’t read anything else specific to the series…I guess because it only began airing yesterday and I haven’t tapped into much newsfeed today yet…I think I’ll try to avoid anything as well because I want to view it without any prejudice or bias and after watching the first bit, I realise that I wasn’t familiar with the story…that’s the way that I like to go into things…
Niamh.
20-09-2024, 02:59 PM
…oh, other than that first article that I posted which was more a Netflix in general criticism of glamourising serial killers, I haven’t read anything else specific to the series…I guess because it only began airing yesterday and I haven’t tapped into much newsfeed today yet…I think I’ll try to avoid anything as well because I want to view it without any prejudice or bias and after watching the first bit, I realise that I wasn’t familiar with the story…that’s the way that I like to go into things…Like I said I haven't even started it yet myself but I might be advising you to watch a documentary or read up about it afterwards if it's not being very honest!
Like I said I haven't even started it yet myself but I might be advising you to watch a documentary or read up about it afterwards if it's not being very honest!
…yeah, that’s totally cool, advise away…whenever I watch a dramatised true life story, I generally try to find out as much factual stuff as I can about it afterwards just to get as many of the aspects as I can…
…I’m at the stage when I’m finding it difficult to put it down now so I’m racing/binging through…its a fascinating story…I don’t know how accurate it is because I wasn’t aware of the brothers or their parents etc…the only thing that I’ve glanced at and skimmed through is Wiki and it seems to be quite accurate…
Niamh.
21-09-2024, 07:35 AM
…I’m at the stage when I’m finding it difficult to put it down now so I’m racing/binging through…its a fascinating story…I don’t know how accurate it is because I wasn’t aware of the brothers or their parents etc…the only thing that I’ve glanced at and skimmed through is Wiki and it seems to be quite accurate…I watched the first 5 episodes, tbh I think it's mostly accurate. There's a few things that aren't but the main important things are. Ep 5 was really powerful and compelling I thought and that was all very accurate
I watched the first 5 episodes, tbh I think it's mostly accurate. There's a few things that aren't but the main important things are. Ep 5 was really powerful and compelling I thought and that was all very accurate
…was that the hurt man one…?…yeah, that was so powerful…I’ve been pretty captivated and spellbound by their story…
Niamh.
21-09-2024, 07:45 AM
…was that the hurt man one…?…yeah, that was so powerful…I’ve been pretty captivated and spellbound by their story…Yes, that one
Niamh.
21-09-2024, 08:40 AM
Just one thing or things really so far that they've changed that kind of bothers me because it's unnecessary, the story already has a lot of material to work with and I found it a bit gross and offensive is
the way they portray the brothers as being very touchy feely, kissing eachother etc none of that is true. Yes it's true that Lyle briefly abused Erik when they were very young but not the other things when they were older. In fact apparently they found it difficult to be physically affectionate with eachother, even hugs were awkward. Also, this thing about Erik in prison and the thing he had with other inmate is not true. They weren't put in general population at all in fact while waiting on their trial because they were so high profile so again the shower scene etc just seemed very gratuitous, especially when it's childhood sexual abuse victims they're portraying
…I guess the thing with the other inmate was a fictionalisation just to touch on Erik’s sexuality because that was apparently something that prosecutors honed in on…that it wasn’t abuse because Erik was homosexual …I mean, can you imagine…but that thought process was sadly of it’s time…I mean, I’m only thinking that’s why they fictionalised that storyline but I don’t know…this is what I read in an article…
Erik Menendez’s sexuality largely played out in the first trial. Prosecutor Lester Kuriyama repeatedly tried to bring up the issue of Erik’s sexuality, but Judge Weissberg refused to allow it. During his closing argument, he argued to the jury that Jose had not forced Erik into homosexual acts, but was in fact furious that Erik was gay.
However, Erik told Barabra Walters in 1996 that he is not gay. “The prosecutor brought that up because I was sexually molested. He felt in his own thinking that I was sodomized by my father, I must have enjoyed it,” he told the reporter. “A lot of gay people feel connected to me.”
…Erik did apparently say that ‘gay people felt connected to him…’…so was that part just fictionalised to show that …as in the conversation he did say that he wasn’t attracted to men or something similar but the homosexual inmate was very attracted and drawn to him…
…I will read more of their story as I get the chance…
Niamh.
21-09-2024, 09:02 AM
…I guess the thing with the other inmate was a fictionalisation just to touch on Erik’s sexuality because that was apparently something that prosecutors honed in on…that it wasn’t abuse because Erik was homosexual …I mean, can you imagine…but that thought process was sadly of it’s time…I mean, I’m only thinking that’s why they fictionalised that storyline but I don’t know…this is what I read in an article…
Erik Menendez’s sexuality largely played out in the first trial. Prosecutor Lester Kuriyama repeatedly tried to bring up the issue of Erik’s sexuality, but Judge Weissberg refused to allow it. During his closing argument, he argued to the jury that Jose had not forced Erik into homosexual acts, but was in fact furious that Erik was gay.
However, Erik told Barabra Walters in 1996 that he is not gay. “The prosecutor brought that up because I was sexually molested. He felt in his own thinking that I was sodomized by my father, I must have enjoyed it,” he told the reporter. “A lot of gay people feel connected to me.”
…Erik did apparently say that ‘gay people felt connected to him…’…so was that part just fictionalised to show that …as in the conversation he did say that he wasn’t attracted to men or something similar but the homosexual inmate was very attracted and drawn to him…he said on the show he had a relationship with a boy at school which isn't true and that whole thing with the inmate isn't true. I think it's gross that the TV show makers ran with a pretty disgusting narrative that the prosecuters made up to try and make it seem like Erik enjoyed his father raping him
…the whole story is just so screwed up and the monster characteristics were inherited from their parents who took away their childhood which ultimately led to their adulthood being lost also in the confines of a prison…their father was obviously an horrendous abuser but their mother also was awful…and if they appeared to be sociopathic in their behaviour, it was obviously because learned to bury so much of their emotion inside in trying to make themselves immune and detached to the harm that was being done to them…
…I finished watching the series yesterday evening….I do need to read up some information about it and see how factual it all was….such a complex case, though…
i've just started it :worry:
Niamh.
23-09-2024, 03:31 PM
…I finished watching the series yesterday evening….I do need to read up some information about it and see how factual it all was….such a complex case, though…
Oct 7th there's a documentary coming to Netflix about the case so that should be better
LaLaLand
23-09-2024, 04:25 PM
There’s a documentary about the case featuring the brothers (via phone from prison) coming to Netflix in October.
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Oct 7th there's a documentary coming to Netflix about the case so that should be better
There’s a documentary about the case featuring the brothers (via phone from prison) coming to Netflix in October.
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…thank you both, I’ll for sure watch the documentary next month…
i was just bewildered by this series. I can't think of another way of describing it :laugh:
Niamh.
24-09-2024, 10:36 AM
i was just bewildered by this series. I can't think of another way of describing it :laugh:
Are you going to watch the documentary that's coming out soon?
Are you going to watch the documentary that's coming out soon?
yep
Niamh.
24-09-2024, 10:44 AM
yep
Good, it will be interesting to see the two side by side
Niamh.
24-09-2024, 11:35 AM
Oh just one other piece of information that wasn't in the show (and unfortunately wasn't found until after the verdicts) was
A letter Erik wrote nine months before the killings to his cousin telling him about the abuse
This event happened in the 80's at which point abuse really wasn't a thing that was talked about, so comparing it with todays environment just doesn't work. Many juries wouldn't believe it was an actual credible possibility
The way the show was dramatised, really didn't work for me. It's like latter series of the crown, where we are all well aware that apart from the key historical facts, the rest was just fiction. Look at the jury discussion during sentencing. That was just complete nonsense. They were going back and questioning whether they were innocent or guilty, where the same jury had just unanimously declared them guilty. The object of sentencing is to determine the death or imprisonment, not to relitigate the case
Niamh.
24-09-2024, 12:11 PM
This event happened in the 80's at which point abuse really wasn't a thing that was talked about, so comparing it with todays environment just doesn't work. Many juries wouldn't believe it was an actual credible possibility
The way the show was dramatised, really didn't work for me. It's like latter series of the crown, where we are all well aware that apart from the key historical facts, the rest was just fiction. Look at the jury discussion during sentencing. That was just complete nonsense. They were going back and questioning whether they were innocent or guilty, where the same jury had just unanimously declared them guilty. The object of sentencing is to determine the death or imprisonment, not to relitigate the case
I stopped watching the Crown, only watched a couple of episodes of the last season
I agree with you though I really didn't like how they dramatised this case. I found it really distasteful how the brothers who were very very likely to have been victims of childhood sexual abuse were really objectified and sexualised in this show
Niamh.
26-09-2024, 11:55 AM
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This event happened in the 80's at which point abuse really wasn't a thing that was talked about, so comparing it with todays environment just doesn't work. Many juries wouldn't believe it was an actual credible possibility
The way the show was dramatised, really didn't work for me. It's like latter series of the crown, where we are all well aware that apart from the key historical facts, the rest was just fiction. Look at the jury discussion during sentencing. That was just complete nonsense. They were going back and questioning whether they were innocent or guilty, where the same jury had just unanimously declared them guilty. The object of sentencing is to determine the death or imprisonment, not to relitigate the case
…also, though…that it was discussed that the reason the male jurors didn’t give a not guilty was not because of the case or any evidence put forward…?…it was because they didn’t take to the female defence attorney/…one of them…
Glenn.
26-09-2024, 03:49 PM
I stopped watching the Crown, only watched a couple of episodes of the last season
I agree with you though I really didn't like how they dramatised this case. I found it really distasteful how the brothers who were very very likely to have been victims of childhood sexual abuse were really objectified and sexualised in this show
The gays have been proper thirsting on it for the last few days.
…I’ve been chatting to someone a bit about it…not in depth but they know more about the case/story than I do and they don’t feel that it was an accurate portrayal…I’m more looking forward to watching the documentary now…
The gays have been proper thirsting on it for the last few days.
…do you think that it was a good portrayal, Glenn…?…or do you think it was quite ‘Ryan Murphy fantasised…?…‘
Glenn.
26-09-2024, 03:54 PM
…do you think that it was a good portrayal, Glenn…?…or do you think it was quite ‘Ryan Murphy fantasised…?…‘
Just more of the same from Ryan Murphy isn’t it really. I mean it’s like he tried to cover all bases and make you feel for the mum and dad and the brothers but it was a mess.
Niamh.
26-09-2024, 03:54 PM
The gays have been proper thirsting on it for the last few days.
Did you watch it? It's just in pretty bad taste considering what they went through as children really. I know that seems to be Ryan Murphys schtick to sexualise everything but it's a bit much when your talking about child abuse victims
…I’ve been chatting to someone a bit about it…not in depth but they know more about the case/story than I do and they don’t feel that it was an accurate portrayal…I’m more looking forward to watching the documentary now…
Yeah same here Ammi. This dramatisation is supposed to be decent too
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6110318/
Just more of the same from Ryan Murphy isn’t it really. I mean it’s like he tried to cover all bases and make you feel for the mum and dad and the brothers but it was a mess.
Did you watch it? It's just in pretty bad taste considering what they went through as children really. I know that seems to be Ryan Murphys schtick to sexualise everything but it's a bit much when your talking about child abuse victims
Yeah same here Ammi. This dramatisation is supposed to be decent too
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6110318/
…also the inference seemed to be that the relationship with the brothers was possibly incestuous…?…which seems to be a fabrication in terms of anything factual written…that was only ever a speculation thing based on a one time incident of Lyle taking Erik into the woods with a toothbrush and enacting something his father had done to him in trying to ‘normalise’ it as something that was done within a family…that abuse act with Erik is something he always admitted and only happened one time…he apparently never abused him again…
…also…
…also the inference that ‘gay males were drawn to Erik’…that he was gay and in being gay, he enjoyedthe horrific abuse by his father…both he and Lyle were handsome, wealthy boys…lots of people were drawn to them both male and female….
Niamh.
26-09-2024, 04:12 PM
…also the inference seemed to be that the relationship with the brothers was possibly incestuous…?…which seems to be a fabrication in terms of anything factual written…that was only ever a speculation thing based on a one time incident of Lyle taking Erik into the woods with a toothbrush and enacting something his father had done to him in trying to ‘normalise’ it as something that was done within a family…that abuse act with Erik is something he always admitted and only happened one time…he apparently never abused him again…
Yeah, infact it was noted that they weren't tactile with eachother at all in reality which was 100% the opposite to how they were portrayed on the show
…also…
…also the inference that ‘gay males were drawn to Erik’…that he was gay and in being gay, he enjoyedthe horrific abuse by his father…both he and Lyle were handsome, wealthy boys…lots of people were drawn to them both male and female….
Yeah, obviously there would be nothing at all wrong with Erik being gay but he's stated numerous times that he isn't and the reasoning behind the inference comes from a really disgusting place as you pointed out
Yeah, infact it was noted that they weren't tactile with eachother at all in reality which was 100% the opposite to how they were portrayed on the show
Yeah, obviously there would be nothing at all wrong with Erik being gay but he's stated numerous times that he isn't and the reasoning behind the inference comes from a really disgusting place as you pointed out
…yeah, exactly…(…of that time…)…there was a stigma attached to homosexuality and it was the time of AIDS…/…hence his mom carrying out penis checks uggggghhhhhh…because his father would not tolerate AIDS being ‘brought into this house…’….the speculation of Erik being gay was surely just used as a way of saying, what was happening was something that he enjoyed…it was ‘weaponised’ by the series as being something negative…and that was also part of the storyline with his friendship in prison…which apparently he was in solitary and not mixing with others…?…when he married in prison and married a female, again it was inferred that, that relationship would suit him because it wasn’t sexual ….but he’s not portrayed as having any sexual attractions so far as I know…?..probably because of the abuse…
Niamh.
26-09-2024, 04:23 PM
…yeah, exactly…(…of that time…)…there was a stigma attached to homosexuality and it was the time of AIDS…/…hence his mom carrying out penis checks uggggghhhhhh…because his father would not tolerate AIDS being ‘brought into this house…’….the speculation of Erik being gay was surely just used as a way of saying, what was happening was something that he enjoyed…it was ‘weaponised’ by the series as being something negative…and that was also part of the storyline with his friendship in prison…which apparently he was in solitary and not mixing with others…?…when he married in prison and married a female, again it was inferred that, that relationship would suit him because it wasn’t sexual ….but he’s not portrayed as having any sexual attractions so far as I know…?..probably because of the abuse…
I listened to a podcast about the case before watching the show and on that they said that Lyle & Eric were in a separate wing to general population while they waited trial because the case was so high profile and there were fears for their safety
I listened to a podcast about the case before watching the show and on that they said that Lyle & Eric were in a separate wing to general population while they waited trial because the case was so high profile and there were fears for their safety
…also, apparently when Erik was 13yrs old, he confided in his cousin and asked him if what was happening with his father was a ‘normal father/son relationship’ and his cousin testified that at the first trial but I can’t recall seeing that…
…both of the brothers were ‘crying out’ to those people in their extended family circle from a very young age…all of those cries seemed to have been ignored…
…the abuse wasn’t allowed to be brought into the second trial at all, I don’t think…it had even become a ridiculed subject and called ‘The abuse excuse’…
Niamh.
26-09-2024, 06:57 PM
…the abuse wasn’t allowed to be brought into the second trial at all, I don’t think…it had even become a ridiculed subject and called ‘The abuse excuse’…
and apparently they were mocked relentlessly on shows like Saturday Night Live. Imagine it so disgusting
…I’m just looking forward to watching the documentary now, I feels as though the series has possibly been such a misrepresentation and fabrication to sensationalise…
Niamh.
09-10-2024, 01:06 PM
…I’m just looking forward to watching the documentary now, I feels as though the series has possibly been such a misrepresentation and fabrication to sensationalise…
Watched it last night. It was much better.
I don't know how anyone could watch Lyle and Eriks testimony's and think they were making that stuff up. Watching how they were being mocked on talk shows etc was horrific as well. Imagine taking the piss out of child sex abuse victims, absolutely sickening.
The original prosecutor sounds so bitter as well. The end was so sad, poor Erik blaming himself for everything :(
There's a very slim chance they could get a new trial/sentence. Decision of Habeas corpus petition for them is due in November I think :fc:
Niamh.
09-10-2024, 01:12 PM
Oh wow just saw this video from that Prosecutor, she is vile
https://www.tiktok.com/@galendiaries/video/7071941414644354309?_r=1&_t=8qOYYkiJSSA
Niamh.
09-10-2024, 03:44 PM
And from a member of the boy band Menudo
https://www.tiktok.com/@truth.about.menendez/video/7239075671023160602?lang=en
Niamh.
17-10-2024, 11:09 AM
This looks promising :
https://i.imgur.com/xcNlKbN.jpeghttps://i.imgur.com/XUrDy0I.jpeghttps://i.imgur.com/K8X4aLX.jpeg
…oh I so need to catch up with this, I just haven’t had the time atm…I clicked on the spoiler and then clicked straight back off without reading because I’ll catch up first with the documentary…
Niamh.
17-10-2024, 11:18 AM
…oh I so need to catch up with this, I just haven’t had the time atm…I clicked on the spoiler and then clicked straight back off without reading because I’ll catch up first with the documentary…
:love:
Niamh.
24-10-2024, 09:35 PM
great news, the DA that has reviewed the case and has recommended that the brothers be resentenced and could be released. It will be put before a judge tomorrow :fc;
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/menendez-brothers-resentencing-supported-l-a-district-attorney-george-gascon-1236044594/
LaLaLand
25-10-2024, 04:21 AM
great news, the DA that has reviewed the case and has recommended that the brothers be resentenced and could be released. It will be put before a judge tomorrow :fc;
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/menendez-brothers-resentencing-supported-l-a-district-attorney-george-gascon-1236044594/
I literally finished the last episode of the show, picked up my phone, opened Twitter and this was the first thing I saw. Crazy timing!
Niamh.
25-10-2024, 06:55 AM
I literally finished the last episode of the show, picked up my phone, opened Twitter and this was the first thing I saw. Crazy timing!I really hope it happens
…I so need to watch this documentary and the update of their story…I will get around to it soon…
Ithinkiloveyoutoo
05-01-2025, 02:56 PM
Still waiting for these babies to be freed! I'm also glad I watched the documentary to get more accuracy. The raw footage of their testimonies in court is beyond heartbreaking. I grew up believing the media's portrayal of them that they were rich hungry kids that killed for money.
Niamh.
06-01-2025, 02:51 PM
Still waiting for these babies to be freed! I'm also glad I watched the documentary to get more accuracy. The raw footage of their testimonies in court is beyond heartbreaking. I grew up believing the media's portrayal of them that they were rich hungry kids that killed for money.
There's a re-sentencing hearing set for Jan 30th so fingers crossed
Niamh.
11-02-2025, 04:24 PM
There's a re-sentencing hearing set for Jan 30th so fingers crossed
Was postponed because of the Wildfires in LA, now due for the resentencing March 20th/21st
https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/menendez-brothers-to-appear-in-person-for-resentencing-hearing-in-van-nuys/3629392/
Judge cuts Menendez brothers' sentences giving them chance of freedom…
A Los Angeles judge has reduced the sentence of Erik and Lyle Menendez, making them eligible for parole more than 30 years after they killed their parents in a Beverly Hills mansion.
Judge Michael Jesic resentenced the brothers on Tuesday, after hearing evidence from relatives and prison staff about their attempts to make amends while behind bars.
The district attorney had argued that they were not rehabilitated, but now the state parole board could order the brothers' release as early as next month.
The brothers have long argued that they killed Kitty and Jose Menendez out of self-defence after years of sexual abuse, in a high-profile case that prompted a Netflix show which renewed interest in the story.
After hearing that they had been resentenced to 50 years to life with the possibility of parole, the brothers delivered an emotional statement to the court.
They went through grim details of the brutal killings and their decision to reload their shotguns and keep shooting their parents at point-blank range in the living room of their home. The siblings were aged 18 and 21 at the time.
"I had to stop being selfish and immature to really understand what my parents went though in those last moments," Erik Menendez, 54, told the court.
He described the "shock, confusion and betrayal" they must have felt seeing their sons holding guns and opening fire.
When might the Menendez brothers be released?
Both apologised for their actions and talked about their hopes of working with sex abuse victims and helping those incarcerated if they were given a second chance outside prison.
The voice of Lyle Menendez, 57, cracked as he talked about the impact of his "unfathomable" actions on their relatives.
"I lied to you and forced you into a spotlight of public humiliation," he said to his family.
Los Angeles County District Attorney Nathan Hochman said the decision to resentence the pair was "monumental" and carried "significant implications for the families involved".
Much of the hearing centred on what the brothers have been doing in prison for the last 30 years.
Family members and those who worked with them in prison detailed the educational courses they completed and programmes they created to improve the lives of inmates, including a hospice initiative for the elderly and sick.
Judge Jesic called the brothers' work while in prison "remarkable", but noted that their 1996 sentences to life without parole were justified at the time.
He said that under the guidelines, they were eligible for resentencing, issuing his new sentence of 50 years to life. The brothers have been held in custody since 1990.
'A great day'
As the judge continued reading, the brothers smiled and waved to their attorneys and family members who crowded into the courtroom. Family members embraced with smiles.
"Today is a great day," defence lawyer Mark Geragos told reporters outside court. He said they were "one huge step closer to bringing the boys home".
Anamaria Baralt, the brothers' cousin who testified inside court earlier in the day, said their family was elated.
"It is a difficult process," she said of the parole hearing that awaits the brothers, but noted they will "eagerly step through those doors if it means we can have them home".
…full article…it’s still unclear of the length of the process if they were released on parole…
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2e3xnx471wo
Niamh.
14-05-2025, 11:55 AM
oh wow that's amazing news, I'm delighted for them. They've served so much time already, I hope they get Paroled soon
oh wow that's amazing news, I'm delighted for them. They've served so much time already, I hope they get Paroled soon
Really ?!
Didn’t they kill their own family in cold blood !??
I honest don’t know the details other than that
Niamh.
14-05-2025, 02:17 PM
Really ?!
Didn’t they kill their own family in cold blood !??
I honest don’t know the details other than that
Yes but their parents were abusive both sexually and mentally. They've served 35 years already so I think they've really paid the price now anyway
Yes but their parents were abusive both sexually and mentally. They've served 35 years already so I think they've really paid the price now anyway
Mmmm … but if they are capable of such monstrosities why on earth risk releasing them …
After all this time festering behind bars who knows what they are capable of
The judge , jury and all the prosecution team maybe fair game - just for starters !!
Niamh.
14-05-2025, 03:44 PM
Mmmm … but if they are capable of such monstrosities why on earth risk releasing them …
After all this time festering behind bars who knows what they are capable of
The judge , jury and all the prosecution team maybe fair game - just for starters !!
You said yourself you don't know anything about the case, maybe you should look into it before forming an opinion like that. I don't think they were "festering behind bars" by all accounts they've had positive and proactive times in prison
She stressed that Lyle and Erik Menendez have spent their decades in prison rehabilitating themselves, as well as helping other inmates.
"[Lyle] and his brother spent their whole adult lives trying to counsel other victims of sexual abuse and start programs at the prison," she said. "Even though they had no chance of parole, they really felt that the prison system could be improved."
Erik Menendez has provided hospice care to inmates, their attorney said, while for the last 20 years, Lyle Menendez's fellow inmates have elected him as their representative with the prison administration, Ynclan said.
"He's like a soft-spoken CEO who is very busy with multiple projects," Ynclan said of Lyle.
"He wants to talk about prison reform," Ynclan said. "He would talk to me about the college courses he was taking. ... I was really impressed that someone in their early 50s, in prison without any chance of parole ... would want to take calculus and statistics to continue bettering themselves."
https://abcnews.go.com/US/menendez-brothers-life-prison-3-paths-freedom/story?id=115221747
oh wow that's amazing news, I'm delighted for them. They've served so much time already, I hope they get Paroled soon
…yeah, I was joyed at seeing the article but then thought it might be misleading in that any release could still have to go through lots of procedures which could take many years but I really am wishing for their release very soon …
Niamh.
14-05-2025, 03:47 PM
…yeah, I was joyed at seeing the article but then thought it might be misleading in that any release could still have to go through lots of procedures which could take many years but I really am wishing for their release very soon …
It says they could be released within a month but that's probably best case scenario
It says they could be released within a month but that's probably best case scenario
…it would be so amazing if they were…when we think of some of the lenient sentencing for some crimes and what the boys endured through their lives in terms of abuse, they’ve served enough time, I think…
Niamh.
14-05-2025, 03:53 PM
…it would be so amazing if they were…when we think of some of the lenient sentencing for some crimes and what the boys endured through their lives in terms of abuse, they’ve served enough time, I think…
Yeah, when you compare it to Molly and Tom Martens eh?
Yeah, when you compare it to Molly and Tom Martens eh?
…yeah, exactly who I was thinking of …it’s sadly very difficult to believe in justice systems with comparisons like this…
Niamh.
14-05-2025, 04:00 PM
…yeah, exactly who I was thinking of …it’s sadly very difficult to believe in justice systems with comparisons like this…
awful, how their sexual abuse was mocked in the court room too
Let’s just bookmark this conversation and come back to see how well their rehabilitation has progressed …
Niamh.
14-05-2025, 06:42 PM
Let’s just bookmark this conversation and come back to see how well their rehabilitation has progressed …Sure [emoji106]
Barry.
14-05-2025, 06:59 PM
Mmmm … but if they are capable of such monstrosities why on earth risk releasing them …
After all this time festering behind bars who knows what they are capable of
The judge , jury and all the prosecution team maybe fair game - just for starters !!
Watch the Netflix show they did last year, it will give you details about the case
Niamh.
14-05-2025, 07:06 PM
Watch the Netflix show they did last year, it will give you details about the caseThe documentary though rather than the dramatisation, it's more accurate with real footage etc
Barry.
14-05-2025, 07:26 PM
The documentary though rather than the dramatisation, it's more accurate with real footage etc
Yeah was about to say,the drama one I only watched 3 episodes. It was ok but I couldn’t get into it
….Erik Menendez has just been denied parole…Lyle’s parole hearing is later today but I doubt the decision will be any different…it’ll be another three years before they can appeal again…
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/aug/21/erik-menendez-parole
Niamh.
22-08-2025, 06:35 AM
….Erik Menendez has just been denied parole…Lyle’s parole hearing is later today but I doubt the decision will be any different…it’ll be another three years before they can appeal again…Aw that's terrible news
Aw that's terrible news
‘Barton said the primary reason for the decision was not the seriousness of the crime but Menendez’s behavior in prison.’
…but it doesn’t state what the behaviour was/is that was the main factor in the decision…
Niamh.
22-08-2025, 07:19 AM
‘Barton said the primary reason for the decision was not the seriousness of the crime but Menendez’s behavior in prison.’
…but it doesn’t state what the behaviour was/is that was the main factor in the decision…
Interesting if that's the case it shouldn't automatically follow that Lyle's would be rejected.... I wonder what he did in prison?
Interesting if that's the case it shouldn't automatically follow that Lyle's would be rejected.... I wonder what he did in prison?
…this is part of the BBC article…
Parole board commissioner Robert Barton, who listened to testimony for more than 10 hours with a panel before denying Erik's parole, said he believed Erik was not yet ready for release.
"I believe in redemption, or I wouldn't be doing this job," he told Erik at the end of the marathon hearing. "But based on the legal standards, we find that you continue to pose an unreasonable risk to public safety."
The board took issue, specifically, with his violations in prison and past criminal activity before killing his parents.
"Contrary to your supporters' beliefs, you have not been a model prisoner and frankly, we find that a little disturbing," Barton said, bluntly telling him he now had "two options" for his future.
"One is to have a pity party," Barton told Erik. "Or you can take to heart what we discussed."
…also…
They reviewed the schooling and positive programs he had been involved with in prison, along with transgressions he had while in lockup, including prison fights and being found multiple times with contraband. While behind bars, he'd got in trouble for having a cell phone, art supplies and tobacco - which he'd hidden inside a religious book.
Niamh.
22-08-2025, 07:32 AM
Thanks Ammi. Talking about what he did before what he's in there for was a bit harsh i think though, he was a teenager at the time
Thanks Ammi. Talking about what he did before what he's in there for was a bit harsh i think though, he was a teenager at the time
…yeah, obviously we only know bits of what the media reports but it does feel to me that there was never any intention of granting him parole…so obviously reasons have to be recorded etc…
Niamh.
22-08-2025, 07:41 AM
…yeah, obviously we only know bits of what the media reports but it does feel to me that there was never any intention of granting him parole…so obviously reasons have to be recorded etc…Yeah and look i don't know what he's been up to in prison but I feel there was an undertone to that, that I don't like. Talking about pity parties and despite what his supporters believe etc
…Lyle Menendez also denied bail…
‘parole commissioner Julie Garland commended him for his behavior in prison, including his lack of violence, his work on programs and his positive relationships with other inmates and staff. She also noted his strong support network and solid plans for a post-release life’
"You have been a model inmate in many ways who has demonstrated the potential for change," Garland told him at his first-ever parole hearing. "But despite all those outward positives, we see ... you still struggle with anti-social personality traits like deception, minimization and rule-breaking that lie beneath that positive surface."
Lyle Menendez's illegal possession of cellphones in prison was another point made by the commissioners.
Garland said "incarcerated people who break rules" are more likely to break rules in society.
"We do understand that you had very little hope of being released for years," Garland said, referring to his previous sentence of life without the possibility of parole.
Niamh.
23-08-2025, 09:57 AM
Hhmmm
thesheriff443
23-08-2025, 10:41 AM
Just my thoughts
If you are being sexually abused the normal route for people is to report it, not stand on the driveway and shoot your mother and father
Niamh.
23-08-2025, 10:44 AM
Just my thoughts
If you are being sexually abused the normal route for people is to report it, not stand on the driveway and shoot your mother and fatherOf course but they've already served 30 years and there was extenuating circumstances.
thesheriff443
23-08-2025, 10:55 AM
Of course but they've already served 30 years and there was extenuating circumstances.
Was the sexual abuse claims proven?
Niamh.
23-08-2025, 11:56 AM
Was the sexual abuse claims proven?Pretty much as far as I'm aware, there were some photos found, a couple of his cousins testified saying Eric and Lyle told them about it when they were younger and also, other men have come forward with allegations against the dad as well (he was involved with promoting a boy band and it was members of this band)
thesheriff443
23-08-2025, 12:17 PM
Pretty much as far as I'm aware, there were some photos found, a couple of his cousins testified saying Eric and Lyle told them about it when they were younger and also, other men have come forward with allegations against the dad as well (he was involved with promoting a boy band and it was members of this band)
I see
But it was basically an execution so you can see why it brings mixed feelings
If we look at it from the justice side they are murderers
Niamh.
23-08-2025, 12:56 PM
I see
But it was basically an execution so you can see why it brings mixed feelings
If we look at it from the justice side they are murderersOh absolutely but they have served a lot of time already
Niamh.
23-08-2025, 12:58 PM
Plus I doubt they are a case where there's a risk of re offending either
Plus I doubt they are a case where there's a risk of re offending either
Are you really suggesting that two people who are capable of executing two other others ( their own parents ) are not a risk to the public !??
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Niamh.
23-08-2025, 02:10 PM
Are you really suggesting that two people who are capable of executing two other others ( their own parents ) are not a risk to the public !??
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI'm suggesting that two people who killed their abusers are not the average type of killer and are unlikely to kill again yes.
To be fair, they were adults when they killed their parents, they did have other options available to them.
I don't for a second, understand the american legal system and they have had some very serious criminals that get executed and others that seem to get a pat on the head and told not to do it again.
Also, we need to remember that America is basically a banana republic now, your guilt or innocence is based on your ability to pay or what dirty details you have on Trump
Niamh.
23-08-2025, 04:38 PM
To be fair, they were adults when they killed their parents, they did have other options available to them.
I don't for a second, understand the american legal system and they have had some very serious criminals that get executed and others that seem to get a pat on the head and told not to do it again.
Also, we need to remember that America is basically a banana republic now, your guilt or innocence is based on your ability to pay or what dirty details you have on TrumpI'm not saying they should have gotten away with no sentence at all. I just think 30 years is long enough considering the circumstances.
I'm suggesting that two people who killed their abusers are not the average type of killer and are unlikely to kill again yes.
But they are surely CAPABLE of anything so why on Earth take risks with innocent members of the public
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Niamh.
23-08-2025, 09:27 PM
But they are surely CAPABLE of anything so why on Earth take risks with innocent members of the public
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI don't consider child rapists and child rapist coverers innocent members of the public :shrug:
I don't consider child rapists and child rapist coverers innocent members of the public :shrug:
What !?!?
I mean if they release them it puts genuinely innocent people at risk ..
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Niamh.
23-08-2025, 10:05 PM
What !?!?
I mean if they release them it puts genuinely innocent people at risk ..
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkAnd i don't agree with you, they killed their abusers.
And i don't agree with you, they killed their abusers.
So they are obviously capable of killing again !!!
I don’t even kill flies and I pick up worms on paths on rainy days then place them safely elsewhere
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thesheriff443
23-08-2025, 11:26 PM
So they are obviously capable of killing again !!!
I don’t even kill flies and pick up worms on paths ..
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They are in America so what ever happens it’s not going to affect you
They are in America so what ever happens it’s not going to affect you
I am obviously not bothered about myself just any other innocent people …
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…honestly Zizu, you would be the worst jury person when you don’t seem to need to know any details/accounts of a case to form such definite conclusions…
…anyway, this case of the brothers was always so complex that there were two trials originally, with the first ending in a hung jury…and then with the second trial, the alleged sexual and mental abuse/which had also had been cited by others was not allowed to be brought into their trial at all…so without that, then the verdict was pretty much a given to be what it was…if I recall as well with the judge in the first trial…?…it was even suggested that because gay men seemed to be drawn and attracted to Erik…?…that he in some way enjoyed the sexual abuse from his father…so acknowledging that sexual abuse…(…which wasn’t allowed to be cited in the second trial…)…but that it wasn’t perceived as damaging abuse…
…anyway, the decision has been made not to grant either of them parole and that will remain until they can appeal for it again…/…which will be at least three years…I’m sure that it’s probably what they thought it would be anyway and it’s what they’ve prepared for…interesting though that for Erik…?…the parole decision was said to not be because of the crime committed but because of behaviours in prison …whereas with Lyle, he was described by his parole board as a model prisoner and still denied parole, presumably based on the crime…for me it doesn’t seem as though there is any intention to ever release them…
…honestly Zizu, you would be the worst jury person when you don’t seem to need to know any details/accounts of a case to form such definite conclusions…
…anyway, this case of the brothers was always so complex that there were two trials originally, with the first ending in a hung jury…and then with the second trial, the alleged sexual and mental abuse/which had also had been cited by others was not allowed to be brought into their trial at all…so without that, then the verdict was pretty much a given to be what it was…if I recall as well with the judge in the first trial…?…it was even suggested that because gay men seemed to be drawn and attracted to Erik…?…that he in some way enjoyed the sexual abuse from his father…so acknowledging that sexual abuse…(…which wasn’t allowed to be cited in the second trial…)…but that it wasn’t perceived as damaging abuse…
…anyway, the decision has been made not to grant either of them parole and that will remain until they can appeal for it again…/…which will be at least three years…I’m sure that it’s probably what they thought it would be anyway and it’s what they’ve prepared for…interesting though that for Erik…?…the parole decision was said to not be because of the crime committed but because of behaviours in prison …whereas with Lyle, he was described by his parole board as a model prisoner and still denied parole, presumably based on the crime…for me it doesn’t seem as though there is any intention to ever release them…
Two brothers killed their parents - end of
Those are the only details I need to come to the ( obvious) conclusion that they should never, ever be released from captivity- for the sake of all innocent people
PS
A clue may be found in their nicknames..
The MONSTERS ..
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Someone do a poll to see what everyone thinks
Keep behind bars or release
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Two brothers killed their parents - end of
Those are the only details I need to come to the ( obvious) conclusion that they should never, ever be released from captivity- for the sake of all innocent people
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…and yet you’ve also suggested in other stories that sexual abusers/paedophiles be put to death and specifically shot…which is essentially the crux of the case/that the brothers shot their abusers …that’s cool though, you have all of the details you need of a complex case/which appears to be no details at all, to enable you to reach a conclusion…
Niamh.
24-08-2025, 09:34 AM
Two brothers killed their parents - end of
Those are the only details I need to come to the ( obvious) conclusion that they should never, ever be released from captivity- for the sake of all innocent people
PS
A clue may be found in their nicknames..
The MONSTERS ..
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkAgain, you're misinformed, Monsters isn't their nickname, it's the name of the Netflix dramatisation of the case and it's ambiguous as to who they're referring to as the "monsters" whether it's the parents or the sons or maybe a bit of both
…I absolutely understand that many mindsets are that Lyle and Erik should never be released and that a life sentence should mean a life sentence with no parole, I mean that’s obviously where the parole board stand as well …but those mindsets and those decisions are hopefully based on information and the balancing and weighing of that information…
i was just reading in the news today that anyone that gets sentenced to a year won't serve time if the government get their way and that prisoners will be able to earn early release after completing a third of their sentence. Soon i would imagine they just wont bother sending anyone to jail. Thats the UK for you
Ithinkiloveyoutoo
02-09-2025, 09:33 PM
I'm not saying they should have gotten away with no sentence at all. I just think 30 years is long enough considering the circumstances.
Agreed.
Ithinkiloveyoutoo
02-09-2025, 09:34 PM
…I absolutely understand that many mindsets are that Lyle and Erik should never be released and that a life sentence should mean a life sentence with no parole, I mean that’s obviously where the parole board stand as well …but those mindsets and those decisions are hopefully based on information and the balancing and weighing of that information…
They probably weren't able to prove that their parents were going to kill them first as they claimed.
…and yet you’ve also suggested in other stories that sexual abusers/paedophiles be put to death and specifically shot…which is essentially the crux of the case/that the brothers shot their abusers …that’s cool though, you have all of the details you need of a complex case/which appears to be no details at all, to enable you to reach a conclusion…
Oh the death penalty for these two creatures would be my first choice definitely.. is there any proof the parents were sexual abusers
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Niamh.
03-09-2025, 07:44 AM
Oh the death penalty for these two creatures would be my first choice definitely.. is there any proof the parents were sexual abusers
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkYes but why are you even bothering to ask? You clearly have a closed mind and don't want any information on the case.
The father has had other accusations of sexual abuse from members of a boy band he used to manage, there was naked photos found of the boys when they were children, cousins have testified in court saying that the brothers told them it was happening and older relatives have come forward saying they witnessed the dad being physically abusive
Yes but why are you even bothering to ask? You clearly have a closed mind and don't want any information on the case.
The father has had other accusations of sexual abuse from members of a boy band he used to manage, there was naked photos found of the boys when they were children, cousins have testified in court saying that the brothers told them it was happening and older relatives have come forward saying they witnessed the dad being physically abusive
Fair enough .. point taken
I still don’t want ANYONE capable of killing/ assassinating someone to ever be released
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Mystic Mock
04-09-2025, 03:20 AM
But they are surely CAPABLE of anything so why on Earth take risks with innocent members of the public
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Anyone is capable of killing if you push their buttons long enough.
That's my belief.
thesheriff443
04-09-2025, 03:31 AM
Anyone is capable of killing if you push their buttons long enough.
That's my belief.
There you go again mock pushing my buttons
Mystic Mock
04-09-2025, 03:32 AM
There you go again mock pushing my buttons
:joker:
I thought that I felt a Knife in my back.:laugh:
thesheriff443
04-09-2025, 09:20 AM
:joker:
I thought that I felt a Knife in my back.:laugh:
That’s not a knife mock it’s much worse for you
Death by cock
That’s not a knife mock it’s much worse for you
Death by cock
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Mystic Mock
05-09-2025, 06:16 PM
That’s not a knife mock it’s much worse for you
Death by cock
:bawling:
Mystic Mock
05-09-2025, 06:16 PM
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