View Full Version : The Last of Us - Season 2 Sky Atlantic Mon 9pm
Niamh.
26-09-2024, 03:42 PM
Oh Catherine O'Hara is in S2, love her
Benjamin
26-09-2024, 06:45 PM
:amazed:
user104658
27-09-2024, 06:59 PM
The noise at 1.12. If you've played TLOU2 you know what I mean. :omgno:.
Benjamin
28-09-2024, 06:46 AM
The noise at 1.12. If you've played TLOU2 you know what I mean. :omgno:.
:laugh:
Recently replayed that game.
Benjamin
28-09-2024, 06:52 AM
Cheeky use of Pearl jam for the trailer too Niamh.
Benjamin
28-09-2024, 06:53 AM
I feel for the actress (Kaitlyn Dever) playing Abby
I can imagine she’s going to get A LOT of hate. Not going to say why, even in a spoiler.
Cheeky use of Pearl jam for the trailer too Niamh.
…yeah I was thinking that too, it’s a lovely nod to Pearl Jam and will introduce them to wider audiences…
Nicky91
28-09-2024, 07:28 AM
I feel for the actress (Kaitlyn Dever) playing Abby
I can imagine she’s going to get A LOT of hate. Not going to say why, even in a spoiler.
i know what you mean, but for all we know they are doing things differently compared to the game again? i mean Bill wasn't killed off in the video game, unlike here in the series, we also got our first bloater scene at the snipers nest level (which wasn't the case in the game, which was just you vs hunters)
i am curious for Miss Cascina Caradonna's reaction to Isabela Merced portraying her Dina
Niamh.
28-09-2024, 08:08 AM
Cheeky use of Pearl jam for the trailer too Niamh.Yeah, spent years playing Pearl Jam around my kids and my son suddenly likes them and learns Future Days after playing the game :oh:
user104658
28-09-2024, 12:03 PM
:laugh:
Recently replayed that game.
I replayed both (well, played the remaster of the original and replayed 2) with my wife during the first season of the show. We actually did an "episode to episode" thing with TLOU1 where we watched each episode week to week, then played the game up to the point where that episode ended, which was fun for scene to scene comparison.
Benjamin
28-09-2024, 12:05 PM
I replayed both (well, played the remaster of the original and replayed 2) with my wife during the first season of the show. We actually did an "episode to episode" thing with TLOU1 where we watched each episode week to week, then played the game up to the point where that episode ended, which was fun for scene to scene comparison.
Hahaha brilliant.
user104658
28-09-2024, 12:07 PM
…yeah I was thinking that too, it’s a lovely nod to Pearl Jam and will introduce them to wider audiences…
I guess Joel is canonically a Pearl Jam fan, if he's used them to teach Ellie to play guitar.
Oh gawd that ending scene of TLOU2 with the guitar at the farm :bawling:
user104658
28-09-2024, 12:46 PM
My only real issue after seeing the trailer is, although I know she actually is in her early 20's, I feel like she still looks too young as TLOU2 Ellie, knowing what the events of the season are going to be. TLOU2 Ellie and kid-Ellie from season 1 are very, very different characters with the very different roles.
For Abbie on the other hand, while I would say game-Abbie is a touch TOO hench, I wonder about TV Abbie not being hench enough? There's a parallel supposed to be drawn between the characters in that they can very much take care of themselves; Ellie because she's been raised by Joel and has a tonne of skills/smarts and Abbie because, frankly, the girl is an absolute tank - there are parts of the game where you can straight up have her kill Clickers with her bare hands :joker:.
Looking at the two of them in the trailer I'm not sure you get that contrast of Ellie being quick/smart/"tricky" and Abbie being hard as nails.
Excellent games. Was a bit weary at first watching S1, but nah, it was brilliant
My only real issue after seeing the trailer is, although I know she actually is in her early 20's, I feel like she still looks too young as TLOU2 Ellie, knowing what the events of the season are going to be. TLOU2 Ellie and kid-Ellie from season 1 are very, very different characters with the very different roles.
For Abbie on the other hand, while I would say game-Abbie is a touch TOO hench, I wonder about TV Abbie not being hench enough? There's a parallel supposed to be drawn between the characters in that they can very much take care of themselves; Ellie because she's been raised by Joel and has a tonne of skills/smarts and Abbie because, frankly, the girl is an absolute tank - there are parts of the game where you can straight up have her kill Clickers with her bare hands :joker:.
Looking at the two of them in the trailer I'm not sure you get that contrast of Ellie being quick/smart/"tricky" and Abbie being hard as nails.
…I’m not familiar with Abbie, her character in TLOU but I’ve read that the actress, Kaitlyn Dever has been pretty intense in her training for the role to resemble Abbie physically…the main thing that I’ve seen her in was Unbelievable which was based on a true story and she was so excellent in that and as well as being a strong character, she has a vulnerability about her as well…I don’t know if any vulnerability in character applies to Abbie…
user104658
28-09-2024, 03:14 PM
…I’m not familiar with Abbie, her character in TLOU but I’ve read that the actress, Kaitlyn Dever has been pretty intense in her training for the role to resemble Abbie physically…the main thing that I’ve seen her in was Unbelievable which was based on a true story and she was so excellent in that and as well as being a strong character, she has a vulnerability about her as well…I don’t know if any vulnerability in character applies to Abbie…
Abby in-game is muscled to the point of it not frankly being possible without her being on steroids - but that said, minor spoiler...
Her community lives in a sports stadium so maybe she found a stash of performance enhancing drugs at some point :joker:
I low-key love Abby even over Ellie though, great character, the "backlash" against her (that extended to the voice actress playing her) in the game was horrendous, and people are genuinely concerned it'll happen all over again with the show.
Abby in-game is muscled to the point of it not frankly being possible without her being on steroids - but that said, minor spoiler...
Her community lives in a sports stadium so maybe she found a stash of performance enhancing drugs at some point :joker:
I low-key love Abby even over Ellie though, great character, the "backlash" against her (that extended to the voice actress playing her) in the game was horrendous, and people are genuinely concerned it'll happen all over again with the show.
…a lot of opinions seem to be that Kaitlyn will be great and very believable in the role and that the character doesn’t have to be that ‘tank’ type physically…I hope that she doesn’t get hate for it…I know that she lost her mom quite recently and has been devastated by that and this might be the first big role she’s had since then…
Benjamin
30-09-2024, 04:56 AM
Abby in-game is muscled to the point of it not frankly being possible without her being on steroids - but that said, minor spoiler...
Her community lives in a sports stadium so maybe she found a stash of performance enhancing drugs at some point :joker:
I low-key love Abby even over Ellie though, great character, the "backlash" against her (that extended to the voice actress playing her) in the game was horrendous, and people are genuinely concerned it'll happen all over again with the show.
Yeah, I loved Abby too. I loved both their stories.
Kaitlyn Dever has already hired extra security in preparation for the release. People are twats, they need to get a grip on reality, it’s a bloody character. :laugh:
Nicky91
02-10-2024, 01:10 PM
Abby in-game is muscled to the point of it not frankly being possible without her being on steroids - but that said, minor spoiler...
Her community lives in a sports stadium so maybe she found a stash of performance enhancing drugs at some point :joker:
I low-key love Abby even over Ellie though, great character, the "backlash" against her (that extended to the voice actress playing her) in the game was horrendous, and people are genuinely concerned it'll happen all over again with the show.
and one in Abby's allies is pregnant, right
but honestly i don't know how much of the game will be in the tv adaptation, considering Bill got killed off here in the tv series, although in the game he is still alive as far as we know, with the entire town he lives in boobytrapped
but tbh for the ''one thing'' to happen, and i'll also not say it even in a spoiler, since it is something major to the plot, but due to it being major to the plot, doesn't that kinda mean it does need to happen or maybe someone else :worry: :think:
Nicky91
02-10-2024, 01:25 PM
this is also fun to share
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the likeness from video game Dina to tv series Dina is absolutely perfect honestly
Cascina is Dina's face model (not her voice actor) btw, she also played the game
arista
02-10-2024, 01:33 PM
From Sky
[Season two is due to return in 2025 but an
exact release date is yet to be announced.]
https://www.sky.com/watch/the-last-of-us
SkyAtlanticHD
user104658
02-10-2024, 07:39 PM
but tbh for the ''one thing'' to happen, and i'll also not say it even in a spoiler, since it is something major to the plot, but due to it being major to the plot, doesn't that kinda mean it does need to happen or maybe someone else :worry: :think:
It's def. happening I suspect there will be flashback scenes spread out through most episodes so he will be in the full season
It's def. happening I suspect there will be flashback scenes spread out through most episodes so he will be in the full season
…I don’t know what huge significant part of the storyline is being referred to because I don’t know the game storyline…(…but I can completely guess just by the few bits that have been posted in here, I honestly wish they hadn’t…but that’s by the by…what I wanted to say is that I’ve read that the storyline of the game will be split into two parts so the second part then being season 3 effectively…so that would mean (..possibly, if what I’ve read was correct…)..all characters would be present throughout the second season…this is also why these sort of spoilers are something that I wish didn’t happen…
Benjamin
10-01-2025, 07:50 PM
Release confirmed for April (no date yet)
…this is the one that I’m most looking forward to…:love:…
arista
11-01-2025, 02:27 PM
From Sky
[Season two is due to return in 2025 but an
exact release date is yet to be announced.]
https://www.sky.com/watch/the-last-of-us
SkyAtlanticHD
Yes a Great Channel.
Benjamin
01-03-2025, 10:25 PM
13 April release date announced! :amazed:
Jessica.
02-03-2025, 07:43 AM
13 April release date announced! :amazed:
Yesssss
Niamh.
02-03-2025, 08:49 AM
13 April release date announced! :amazed:Woohoo
Benjamin
11-03-2025, 07:26 AM
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I’m so excited.
I’m so excited.
…bit of both, really …excited and nervous…the two lead characters/casting is perfection though…:lovedup:…
Benjamin
11-03-2025, 07:34 AM
…bit of both, really …excited and nervous…the two lead characters/casting is perfection though…:lovedup:…
Have you played the game/know what to expect from the story?
Have you played the game/know what to expect from the story?
…I’ve watched it being played so am familiar with the storyline …I so want this season to happen but so want it not to happen also…
user104658
11-03-2025, 06:25 PM
Have you played the game/know what to expect from the story?
I (strongly) suspect they'll scatter the flashback scenes with Joel throughout each episode (thus having Pedro Pascal still in every episode)
I (strongly) suspect they'll scatter the flashback scenes with Joel throughout each episode (thus having Pedro Pascal still in every episode)
…wishing and hoping and praying he’s in every episode….
…so close now, this is going to be the relentless and continuous sucker punch, isn’t it…it looks intense…
Benjamin
01-04-2025, 04:50 PM
This Friday :amazed:
Jessica.
01-04-2025, 07:41 PM
This Friday :amazed:
I am so excited, they're my favourite games ever!
Benjamin
01-04-2025, 07:46 PM
I am so excited, they're my favourite games ever!
Just replayed them both recently, along with Fallout 4.
arista
01-04-2025, 09:25 PM
Starts 14th of April
Sky TV ads
Jessica.
02-04-2025, 05:36 AM
Just replayed them both recently, along with Fallout 4.
I used to play at night to pass the time when I was resting during pregnancy. Now I don't even have a PS4 anymore, I gave it to my nephew last year. :joker: Too busy for now. Hope you enjoyed them. I haven't played any of the Fallout games but I've heard so much about them and I liked the series they based on the franchise!
Benjamin
02-04-2025, 05:43 AM
I used to play at night to pass the time when I was resting during pregnancy. Now I don't even have a PS4 anymore, I gave it to my nephew last year. :joker: Too busy for now. Hope you enjoyed them. I haven't played any of the Fallout games but I've heard so much about them and I liked the series they based on the franchise!
A great way to pass the time!
Yeah the fallout games are great, especially Fallout 4. I do prefer the story of Last of Us though.
Starts 14th of April
Sky TV ads
…I don’t have Sky TV, I won’t be able to watch…
https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExbGFybG83OG02cTV5ZHh2em9mYW94aTk 3eWRqcXNoeHlsZmtoN242bSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfY nlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/Ph8OWoJA2M3eM/giphy.gif
Benjamin
02-04-2025, 03:38 PM
…I don’t have Sky TV, I won’t be able to watch…
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It’ll be on NOW TV too.
It’ll be on NOW TV too.
…I don’t have NOW TV or any site that has Sky…
Benjamin
06-04-2025, 09:46 AM
…I don’t have NOW TV or any site that has Sky…
:(
How did you watch the first one?
:(
How did you watch the first one?
…I can’t recall actually…:laugh:…I watch so many series, I can’t always recall which site I watch each on…was it now screened on Netflix or Prime also …?….its annoying the way they sell different seasons to different sites…there’s a few that I haven’t been able to follow because another site has bought the next season…
arista
13-04-2025, 11:28 AM
Clips were on J. Ross
on Saturday.
Love the Flame Thrower
ideal weapon.
Season 2
starts
Jessica.
14-04-2025, 10:21 AM
I think the new episode is already out x
Benjamin
14-04-2025, 04:39 PM
I think the new episode is already out x
Omg I forgot it was today!!! :amazed:
If I watch I’ll add spoilers.
Benjamin
14-04-2025, 04:44 PM
Ammi update your title to say now streaming :love:
Cherie
14-04-2025, 04:46 PM
We are watching this tonight at 8pm ...:hee:
Jessica.
14-04-2025, 07:15 PM
It was so good, I loved all the easter eggs from the game!
Cherie
14-04-2025, 10:47 PM
Moira Rose making an appearance :love:
arista
15-04-2025, 12:38 AM
Great Episode 1
She does Patrols
Niamh.
15-04-2025, 07:43 AM
Thought it was a bit slow
Nicky91
15-04-2025, 07:50 AM
i am too scared to watch season 2
:(
Niamh.
15-04-2025, 07:53 AM
i am too scared to watch season 2
:(
I never played the game but my son did and he told me all about what happens (it wasn't a TV Show at the time so didn't realise that might be spoilers lol )
Nicky91
15-04-2025, 07:57 AM
I never played the game but my son did and he told me all about what happens (it wasn't a TV Show at the time so didn't realise that might be spoilers lol )
major spoilers yes
i don't know if i am looking forward to seeing Pedro Pascal getting smashed into pulp, but i'd love a plot twist/tv series change where Joel lives, and Tommy dies for example, or Joel killing Abby instead :devil:
Niamh.
15-04-2025, 07:58 AM
major spoilers yes
i don't know if i am looking forward to seeing Pedro Pascal getting smashed into pulp, but i'd love a plot twist/tv series change where Joel lives, and Tommy dies for example, or Joel killing Abby instead :devil:
I think something like that could happen, i hope so
Niamh.
15-04-2025, 10:16 AM
Merged the 2 threads as it's a bit confusing :p, I'll edit the title for when it's on/what channel
Niamh.
15-04-2025, 02:41 PM
Also Ellie is being a total gobshite to Joel, he should tell her to **** off
Jessica.
15-04-2025, 04:50 PM
Also Ellie is being a total gobshite to Joel, he should tell her to **** off
Yeah, they had a strained relationship in the games too but not this bad, it's just mean!
arista
16-04-2025, 04:39 AM
Merged the 2 threads as it's a bit confusing :p, I'll edit the title for when it's on/what channel
Yes, good one
Adding when it is on.
Nicky91
16-04-2025, 08:25 AM
Yeah, they had a strained relationship in the games too but not this bad, it's just mean!
because Joel lied to her
she is the cure against that virus yes, but at the cost of her life, so Abby's dad getting murdered was justified, since he is a disgusting vile doctor
i would've also bashed that dad's head in, right with that vile ***** Abby coming in
AnnieK
16-04-2025, 08:44 AM
Please use spoiler tags for anything that could give plot lines away
Ammi update your title to say now streaming :love:
…sorry, sorry I was away for the airing day but I can see that it’s all updated anyway…:love:…
…just caught up on the first episode of the new season, I enjoyed it…it feels like a good start…
…I can’t recall what the beef is with Ellie and Joel…
… Benjamin…the character of Owen/Spencer Lord, the actor…?…he looks quite a bit like you, I think…
Benjamin
18-04-2025, 10:47 PM
Thought it was a bit slow
It was going to be. It needs to build the story for this season. It’s going to be a wild ride
Benjamin
18-04-2025, 10:48 PM
… Benjamin…the character of Owen/Spencer Lord, the actor…?…he looks quite a bit like you, I think…
No hahsha
Niamh.
19-04-2025, 08:33 AM
It was going to be. It needs to build the story for this season. It’s going to be a wild rideI suppose so
Jessica.
19-04-2025, 08:47 AM
…sorry, sorry I was away for the airing day but I can see that it’s all updated anyway…:love:…
…just caught up on the first episode of the new season, I enjoyed it…it feels like a good start…
…I can’t recall what the beef is with Ellie and Joel…
She was ready to be a guinea pig for the fireflies and probably had a feeling she was giving up her life for that fact but Joel saved her and she kind of lost her purpose, that's part of it anyway.
Benjamin
19-04-2025, 08:49 AM
She was ready to be a guinea pig for the fireflies and probably had a feeling she was giving up her life for that fact but Joel saved her and she kind of lost her purpose, that's part of it anyway.
She’s also angry so many people have died when she could have saved them and he is the reason for that.
She was ready to be a guinea pig for the fireflies and probably had a feeling she was giving up her life for that fact but Joel saved her and she kind of lost her purpose, that's part of it anyway.
…ahh yeah, thank you for that…:love:…I did realise that, that had taken away her ‘purpose’ but missed that it had created such a rift between her and Joel…with the incident at the dance as well…?…she’s also pushing for her own independence as well and to feel her own ability to ‘fight her own battles and make her own decisions…’….so as Moira Rose has said, is displaying behaviour and emotions attached to her age as well as all of the survival techniques etc she’s having to implement…
arista
21-04-2025, 08:45 AM
Episode 2.
Eventfull
9PM tonight
Benjamin
21-04-2025, 10:23 AM
Episode 2.
Eventfull
9PM tonight
Will have to watch this tomorrow. We fly home tonight.
arista
21-04-2025, 11:15 AM
Will have to watch this tomorrow. We fly home tonight.
Quality Thriller.
…so filled with excitement and dread for this season…
arista
21-04-2025, 01:17 PM
…so filled with excitement and dread for this season…
It's the problem that you should
never wake the dead up.
Having a Flame Thrower as a weapon
is a bonus.
Jessica.
21-04-2025, 02:38 PM
I'm absolutely devastated after that, I didn't even get this emotional playing this part of the game but I welled up watching that episode multiple times.
arista
21-04-2025, 02:50 PM
I'm absolutely devastated after that, I didn't even get this emotional playing this part of the game but I welled up watching that episode multiple times.
But it is revenge
What was sad is she had to watch the killing
Jessica.
21-04-2025, 02:54 PM
But it is revenge
What was sad is she had to watch the killing
Yes that was the sad part, she was finally going to give him a chance and she lost him.
arista
21-04-2025, 03:36 PM
Yes that was the sad part, she was finally going to give him a chance and she lost him.
Yes,
She was all ready to start again
him being her great buddy
He was the man who saved her.
I agree that was very sad
It's the problem that you should
never wake the dead up.
Having a Flame Thrower as a weapon
is a bonus.
…the flame thrower scene was incredibly tense as he kept on coming while the flames were diminishing to nothing and seemed to be having little impact…
I'm absolutely devastated after that, I didn't even get this emotional playing this part of the game but I welled up watching that episode multiple times.
…it was probably one of the most emotional and brutal TV death scenes I’ve ever watched…I can’t believe that I started to watch season 3 of From just yesterday with the equally devastating, savage torture of Tian-Chen and then Joel today…and both deaths in themselves were intended and designed for not just an end but a tremendous suffering, weren’t they…which brings another level of harrowing and merciless…I knew Joel’s death was written in the video game but I didn’t know when it would come in this season…it made me think of when Negan killed Glenn with Lucille in TWD…and I know that it wasn’t Abby’s intention to have Ellie watch that final blow and beg Joel to get up but that she was there with him and witnessing it was just…a lot…:’(…
arista
21-04-2025, 05:29 PM
…the flame thrower scene was incredibly tense as he kept on coming while the flames were diminishing to nothing and seemed to be having little impact…
Yes great it saved that brave mans life
as it was the Bigger Evil Dead Fella
Jessica.
21-04-2025, 05:39 PM
…it was probably one of the most emotional and brutal TV death scenes I’ve ever watched…I can’t believe that I started to watch season 3 of From just yesterday with the equally devastating, savage torture of Tian-Chen and then Joel today…and both deaths in themselves were intended and designed for not just an end but a tremendous suffering, weren’t they…which brings another level of harrowing and merciless…I knew Joel’s death was written in the video game but I didn’t know when it would come in this season…it made me think of when Negan killed Glenn with Lucille in TWD…and I know that it wasn’t Abby’s intention to have Ellie watch that final blow and beg Joel to get up but that she was there with him and witnessing it was just…a lot…:’(…
Oh Ammi, they horrific episodes to see two days in a row.
They filmed this slightly different to the game, I don't know if you'd want me to tell you. I think this was a bit more emotional too. It was just as awful as Glenn's death, you're right about that. I wouldn't be shocked if Abby was glad that Ellie watched, she's a very damaged girl.
Oh Ammi, they horrific episodes to see two days in a row.
They filmed this slightly different to the game, I don't know if you'd want me to tell you. I think this was a bit more emotional too. It was just as awful as Glenn's death, you're right about that. I wouldn't be shocked if Abby was glad that Ellie watched, she's a very damaged girl.
…that was another thing that I felt was similar with Negan as well in how emotionally damaged he was and even before Abby has seen her father in the aftermath…?…it hinted at her having some kind of schizophrenia/type psychosis…both very damaged people …
Cherie
21-04-2025, 07:43 PM
Seriously drained and strangely deflated after that episode
Jessica.
21-04-2025, 09:11 PM
Seriously drained and strangely deflated after that episode
Don't give up, he's still a huge part of the story and a motivator for the characters who continue on in further episodes. It's gruesome but there will still be scenes of beauty and glimpses of humanity.
Seriously drained and strangely deflated after that episode
…I know…it’s one of those screen moments that keeps reliving for me, it was so emotional and so brutal and savage…
Don't give up, he's still a huge part of the story and a motivator for the characters who continue on in further episodes. It's gruesome but there will still be scenes of beauty and glimpses of humanity.
Yes, if it stays true to the game, the flashback scenes are beautiful. Im sure we'll get a flashback episode
Cherie
21-04-2025, 10:12 PM
Don't give up, he's still a huge part of the story and a motivator for the characters who continue on in further episodes. It's gruesome but there will still be scenes of beauty and glimpses of humanity.
…I know…it’s one of those screen moments that keeps reliving for me, it was so emotional and so brutal and savage…
Thanks Jessica that is good to hear, yeah Ammi we watch it as a family my eldest son has played the game so he knew what was coming but didnt say, when it was over we sat there in total silence, just watching the credits roll, never experienced anything like it :laugh:
Thanks Jessica that is good to hear, yeah Ammi we watch it as a family my eldest son has played the game so he knew what was coming but didnt say, when it was over we sat there in total silence, just watching the credits roll, never experienced anything like it :laugh:
…it was such a brutal killing that we really felt Abby’s relentless hatred with as well…I more like to binge series like this and if I had binged with this…?…then I would have continued straight into the next episode which would have helped to erase the scene so I think that has a real impact for me as well …that those images and that scene has just stayed and will just stay until the storyline can move forward …as we know, having the death so early in the season…there is so much more storyline to cover…I also felt quite annoyed that it felt so hmmmm…unnecessary…I mean, as the fireflies said when they arrived …this wasn’t a small camp, it was a hugely made city and infiltrating it and then finding one person in it was a bit of task and he would have also been protected in his surroundings to a degree…but he just happened to ride out and Abby just happened to need rescuing…when surely the fall would have killed her and then awakening the dead and then him rescuing her…?…just everything falling into place for her in a very unrealistic way…I felt annoyed that, that would be doubtful to happen so it all felt unnecessary and how dare they do that to the storyline and to Joel…
…I also feel that a character such as Joel who has such importance and significance in the story…?….deserved a noble death, a death of honour and maybe giving his life to save Ellie or other characters…not that…what the heck are they thinking…!!!!!!…
Niamh.
22-04-2025, 07:12 AM
Great episode
I knew it was coming, I didn't know how brutal it would be though. Gav didn't know that Joel was going to die though so he was shocked. Poor Luke was traumatised all over again
Jessica.
22-04-2025, 07:15 AM
…I also feel that a character such as Joel who has such importance and significance in the story…?….deserved a noble death, a death of honour and maybe giving his life to save Ellie or other characters…not that…what the heck are they thinking…!!!!!!…
He has done a lot of bad things and murdered an insurmountable number if people though. We love him because we know him but the people on the other side were doing the same, surviving the apocalypse too! It sucks though, I agree!
He has done a lot of bad things and murdered an insurmountable number if people though. We love him because we know him but the people on the other side were doing the same, surviving the apocalypse too! It sucks though, I agree!
…I guess that’s it though, isn’t it…he’s one of the perspectives and eyes that we’ve seen the story through so that will obviously have a bearing and I do agree/I did agree with Abby that he killed her father in the blink of an eye …?…but her father was part of something as well and that’s what they all are…doing what they feel is best in terms of survival and future…and he was saving Ellie, the same way as Abby would have killed in the same way to save her father in other circumstances…and she wouldn’t have hesitated either…and the death she wanted and chose for him was beyond ‘revenge’ I feel…that was another level of something horrific…
user104658
22-04-2025, 11:07 AM
Game spoiler: Abby in the game is HENCH and kills Joel by caving in his head with the golf club - show Abby is skinnier so I get why they changed it to her stabbing him with the broken end of it... it somehow seemed even more brutal that way, though. But I guess also saved them from having to create a Pedro Pascal prosthetic with a bashed-in head :umm2:. A "cleaner" death, in that sense.
Also it was interesting that they divided the characters up differently. Game differences:
It's Ellie and Dina on patrol together, not Ellie and Jessie.
Joel is on patrol with Tommy.
That scene is otherwise the same (Tommy in Dina's place) except that he gets hit in the head and knocked out, rather than injected with anaesthetic.
Dina and Jessie together find Ellie and knocked-out Tommy in the aftermath.
The attack on Jackson doesn't happen at all.
I actually understand all of those swaps to be fair - the Jackson attack makes sense because I always wondered where the infected hoard went in the game! After Abby/Joel/Tommy escape from them (and the lodge scene plays out) it just sort of cuts back to Jackson where everything is fine. Other than Joel being dead. Where did all the infected go? Never answered it's never mentioned again :joker:.
Also as they skipped the Joel/Tommy/Abby infected fighting they needed a replacement sequence for action + showing Tommy to have skillz.
There's a much longer sequence of Abby/Joel/Tommy fighting off infected together after Joel saves Abby, which IMO makes the killing more shocking/brutal, as they've been fighting side by side in the lead up to it.
Abby doesn't find out that Joel is Joel until after they get back to the ski lodge when he introduces himself (at which point she kneecaps him with the shotgun same as the show).
…the flame thrower scene was incredibly tense as he kept on coming while the flames were diminishing to nothing and seemed to be having little impact…
It was less tense if you've played the games 'cos everyone knows that the flamethrower is an effective choice against bloaters :joker:
user104658
22-04-2025, 11:10 AM
Follow on from the above here's an interesting thought - Abby in show stabs Joel in the neck, game Abby kills him by bashing his head with the club. However... in the first game Joel kills Abby's dad by stabbing him in the neck (with his own scalpel) whereas in the show he shoots him. I wonder if Joel being stabbed in the neck in-show is a nod to that?
user104658
22-04-2025, 11:13 AM
actual probably show spoilers if you've not played the game:
Is it fully going to go the same direction with Abby being a protagonist/following her story/getting to know her like the game does? I reckon show-watchers are going to be so confused when the show starts following her as not-a-villain :joker:
Niamh.
22-04-2025, 11:19 AM
actual probably show spoilers if you've not played the game:
Is it fully going to go the same direction with Abby being a protagonist/following her story/getting to know her like the game does? I reckon show-watchers are going to be so confused when the show starts following her as not-a-villain :joker:
I think so, actually i think it's a cool idea for a TV show anyway to flip it like that. Myself and Luke had an argument about this last night, I could totally see Abby's side(he just hates her), Joel did kill her dad after all (yes I know he was saving Ellie but Ellie could have been the key to saving everyone and imo should have been her choice anyway rather than Joels)
user104658
22-04-2025, 11:34 AM
I think so, actually i think it's a cool idea for a TV show anyway to flip it like that. Myself and Luke had an argument about this last night, I could totally see Abby's side(he just hates her), Joel did kill her dad after all (yes I know he was saving Ellie but Ellie could have been the key to saving everyone and imo should have been her choice anyway rather than Joels)
While I also sympathise with Ellie, I've played through TLOU2 3 times now and I am totally Team Abby in terms of the events of the game. Also part of the point of it is to draw a parallel between them / the cycle of revenge, and get you to see that Ellie would 100% have done exactly the same as Abby in the same situation ... and what she ends up doing in in places morally very dark. 'cept "Manny" (the guy who swore at Joel's dead body as they left) that a-hole totally deserved to die. In the game he spits on him as they leave... guess the show writers thought that was a step too far :umm2:... though I actually think it was written as one of the things that fully pushes Ellie over the edge.
But yeah basically as much as I love TLOU1 Ellie, I found myself ever-so-slightly siding with Abby's POV in 2 :omgno:. What Joel did was horrific. Joel himself knew it and it left him kinda broken. There's a reason he knew straight away that they were ex-Fireflies... probably always suspected they might come for him if there were any left.
Niamh.
22-04-2025, 11:40 AM
While I also sympathise with Ellie, I've played through TLOU2 3 times now and I am totally Team Abby in terms of the events of the game. Also part of the point of it is to draw a parallel between them / the cycle of revenge, and get you to see that Ellie would 100% have done exactly the same as Abby in the same situation ... and what she ends up doing in in places morally very dark. 'cept "Manny" (the guy who swore at Joel's dead body as they left) that a-hole totally deserved to die. In the game he spits on him as they leave... guess the show writers thought that was a step too far :umm2:... though I actually think it was written as one of the things that fully pushes Ellie over the edge.
But yeah basically as much as I love TLOU1 Ellie, I found myself ever-so-slightly siding with Abby's POV in 2 :omgno:. What Joel did was horrific. Joel himself knew it and it left him kinda broken. There's a reason he knew straight away that they were ex-Fireflies... probably always suspected they might come for him if there were any left.
I haven't played the game like i said so while I have an idea of the story line It will still all be new to see it from Abby's POV, it's a good concept, uncomfortable yes but a lot of situations aren't black and white and there's always 2 sides so I'm sad Joel's dead but I'm excited to see the different perspectives as well, you don't usually get that in TV Shows
Game spoiler: Abby in the game is HENCH and kills Joel by caving in his head with the golf club - show Abby is skinnier so I get why they changed it to her stabbing him with the broken end of it... it somehow seemed even more brutal that way, though. But I guess also saved them from having to create a Pedro Pascal prosthetic with a bashed-in head :umm2:. A "cleaner" death, in that sense.
Also it was interesting that they divided the characters up differently. Game differences:
It's Ellie and Dina on patrol together, not Ellie and Jessie.
Joel is on patrol with Tommy.
That scene is otherwise the same (Tommy in Dina's place) except that he gets hit in the head and knocked out, rather than injected with anaesthetic.
Dina and Jessie together find Ellie and knocked-out Tommy in the aftermath.
The attack on Jackson doesn't happen at all.
I actually understand all of those swaps to be fair - the Jackson attack makes sense because I always wondered where the infected hoard went in the game! After Abby/Joel/Tommy escape from them (and the lodge scene plays out) it just sort of cuts back to Jackson where everything is fine. Other than Joel being dead. Where did all the infected go? Never answered it's never mentioned again :joker:.
Also as they skipped the Joel/Tommy/Abby infected fighting they needed a replacement sequence for action + showing Tommy to have skillz.
There's a much longer sequence of Abby/Joel/Tommy fighting off infected together after Joel saves Abby, which IMO makes the killing more shocking/brutal, as they've been fighting side by side in the lead up to it.
Abby doesn't find out that Joel is Joel until after they get back to the ski lodge when he introduces himself (at which point she kneecaps him with the shotgun same as the show).
It was less tense if you've played the games 'cos everyone knows that the flamethrower is an effective choice against bloaters :joker:
…seriously I didn’t think that muther was ever going to die…it was a bit obvious though when they were having the ‘drill recap’ that the hoards were going to come…
…Joel’s death is one of the most sad as well for me because Pedro Pascal is as hot as heck on screen every week…
Cherie
22-04-2025, 12:30 PM
where did the extra
two horses go...they went out with 4 horses and came back with two, the ex fireflies did not take them so...
user104658
22-04-2025, 12:39 PM
…Joel’s death is one of the most sad as well for me because Pedro Pascal is as hot as heck on screen every week…
So, the game contains several "flashback scenes" (quite long/extended scenes that could basically each make a full TV episode) between Ellie and Joel from the time between them moving to Jackson and where the show/game picks up 5 years later - so I imagine we haven't seen the last of Pedro, even though Joel is now gone.
Honestly TLOU2 is a huge game in comparison to the TLOU1... a LOT happens... so unless they cut out large parts I would think it's more than one season's worth of TV. I have a suspicion about where they'll end S2. But tbh it could easily be 3 sull seasons :umm2:
spoiler for those who have played, fairly large spoilers you have been warned! : I think they may end S2 at the point where Abby catches up with Ellie and ***LARGE SPOILER*** kills Jessie and shoots Tommy, and potentially end S3 with the end of the Seattle storyline, then flesh out the post-seattle / Ellie's 2nd search for Abby section into an entire 4th season.
user104658
22-04-2025, 12:44 PM
where did the extra
two horses go...they went out with 4 horses and came back with two, the ex fireflies did not take them so...
I pointed this out to my wife. Joel had a horse, Dina had a horse, Ellie had a horse and Jessie arrived on a horse... the fireflies left with 0 horses... Jessie, Ellie and Dina left with two horses between the three of them... WHERE are the two other horses? I honestly think it's a "goof" or writing error, there's no explanation for it at all :joker:. The most you can say is, horses CAN be trained to "return home" riderless if instructed, but there's no reason they wouldn't just have both of them ride alongside even if Ellie wasn't up to riding a horse by herself.
Cherie
22-04-2025, 12:58 PM
I pointed this out to my wife. Joel had a horse, Dina had a horse, Ellie had a horse and Jessie arrived on a horse... the fireflies left with 0 horses... Jessie, Ellie and Dina left with two horses between the three of them... WHERE are the two other horses? I honestly think it's a "goof" or writing error, there's no explanation for it at all :joker:. The most you can say is, horses CAN be trained to "return home" riderless if instructed, but there's no reason they wouldn't just have both of them ride alongside even if Ellie wasn't up to riding a horse by herself.
I was fully expecting to see Joels body slung across a horse but no he was being dragged unceremoniously by a rope :fist:
user104658
22-04-2025, 01:03 PM
I was fully expecting to see Joels body slung across a horse but no he was being dragged unceremoniously by a rope :fist:
When I saw the rope, I was just thankful that he was in a bag at the end - I thought for a minute they were just dragging him along by the ankles :joker:
Niamh.
22-04-2025, 01:09 PM
Speaking of the horses, why
Did the one horse have the extra passenger and have to pull the dead body too :fist:
arista
22-04-2025, 01:24 PM
I was fully expecting to see Joels body slung across a horse but no he was being dragged unceremoniously by a rope :fist:
But because of the snow
and they wrapped his body up,
so much, it was OK
While I also sympathise with Ellie, I've played through TLOU2 3 times now and I am totally Team Abby in terms of the events of the game. Also part of the point of it is to draw a parallel between them / the cycle of revenge, and get you to see that Ellie would 100% have done exactly the same as Abby in the same situation ... and what she ends up doing in in places morally very dark. 'cept "Manny" (the guy who swore at Joel's dead body as they left) that a-hole totally deserved to die. In the game he spits on him as they leave... guess the show writers thought that was a step too far :umm2:... though I actually think it was written as one of the things that fully pushes Ellie over the edge.
But yeah basically as much as I love TLOU1 Ellie, I found myself ever-so-slightly siding with Abby's POV in 2 :omgno:. What Joel did was horrific. Joel himself knew it and it left him kinda broken. There's a reason he knew straight away that they were ex-Fireflies... probably always suspected they might come for him if there were any left.
…it’ll be interesting to see…(…if they’re following that same storyline as the game…)…how it translates to all of us who aren’t familiar with the game…because gaming is a different perspective in that the player has an active part and that active part gives other perspectives that we can’t feel as just viewers of the TV story …and also, those who have played the game and are familiar etc…?… will have already made that transition if you like, to see Abby in a more positive way…so going forward, whatever path the story takes, it’ll be easier to slot into it and find an understanding of it… on the screen, that image of her atm is only that of disturbing and brutal and cruel …I understand that Joel killed her father …?… and an eye for an eye in revenge etc…but she didn’t want that eye for an eye, did she…her aim as she said, wasn’t to kill him…it was to kill him slowly and painfully and brutally…that’s not something that ever entered his head in killing Abby’s father …even her fellow fireflies who knew her search for revenge…?..were seen looking sickened with what she was doing…/…the method…so yeah, it’ll be interesting to see going forward how any or enough positive light with Abby can translate to any non game players…
user104658
22-04-2025, 03:10 PM
…it’ll be interesting to see…(…if they’re following that same storyline as the game…)…how it translates to all of us who aren’t familiar with the game…because gaming is a different perspective in that the player has an active part and that active part gives other perspectives that we can’t feel as just viewers of the TV story …and also, those who have played the game and are familiar etc…?… will have already made that transition if you like, to see Abby in a more positive way…so going forward, whatever path the story takes, it’ll be easier to slot into it and find an understanding of it… on the screen, that image of her atm is only that of disturbing and brutal and cruel …I understand that Joel killed her father …?… and an eye for an eye in revenge etc…but she didn’t want that eye for an eye, did she…her aim as she said, wasn’t to kill him…it was to kill him slowly and painfully and brutally…that’s not something that ever entered his head in killing Abby’s father …even her fellow fireflies who knew her search for revenge…?..were seen looking sickened with what she was doing…/…the method…so yeah, it’ll be interesting to see going forward how any or enough positive light with Abby can translate to any non game players…
Minor game spoilers: I agree that Abby's revenge went too far but that's really part of the plot and it's something that Abby comes to realise; that it didn't help her, it didn't make her feel better, and that it just continued the cycle of violence and revenge... and you can't look too harshly on Abby compared to Ellie as Ellie also goes down a dark path with Joel's death.
user104658
22-04-2025, 03:16 PM
More spoilers :joker: but not too specific: In-game Abby also ends up being a "protector" to a younger character much like Joel was to Ellie in the first game/season and there's a bit of subtext that she starts to realise and understand more why Joel did what he did to protect Ellie. There's supposed to be a sort of irony in all of it in that you get an impression that Abby and Joel are quite similar and would have liked/respected each other if they'd met under other circumstances. I dunno if it'll work the same way in the show because Abby in the game is an absolute tank, built like a brick shithouse and hard as nails, so it's very convincing that she acts as a protector to the younger character... in the show I don't know how it'll work as she's tiny :joker:.
Jessica.
22-04-2025, 03:22 PM
I don't think the spoilers are a good idea.
…it’s ok with the spoilers for/to me because I am aware of a lot of it through various people who are familiar with the game anyway …it’ll just be interesting to see if it all translates as well to the screen storyline because that’s giving a different perspective to the game, you know…when you play an active part in something as opposed to it just being a non participating visual thing…for instance… Quantum Boy
…in say a James Bond game…?…we could see James Bind die and die again, couldn’t we because we have that objective of keeping him alive and that would be our focus plus making sure we blast every single bad guy off the screen…but that’s an entirely different perspective to seeing James Bond die in the screen and such a brutal death and how we’d feel about his killer……
user104658
22-04-2025, 04:41 PM
…it’s ok with the spoilers for/to me because I am aware of a lot of it through various people who are familiar with the game anyway …it’ll just be interesting to see if it all translates as well to the screen storyline because that’s giving a different perspective to the game, you know…when you play an active part in something as opposed to it just being a non participating visual thing…for instance… Quantum Boy
…in say a James Bond game…?…we could see James Bind die and die again, couldn’t we because we have that objective of keeping him alive and that would be our focus plus making sure we blast every single bad guy off the screen…but that’s an entirely different perspective to seeing James Bond die in the screen and such a brutal death and how we’d feel about his killer……
A lot of TLOU players absolutely hate Abby and hated being "forced to" play as Abby after she killed Joel... and I actually think that's a big part of why and what made the game so interesting and something very different; you play through the whole first game AS Joel and as you say, he's the one you're keeping alive, he's the guy who represents YOU and who you're playing as... and then in the 2nd game you play for a bit as Ellie, and then a little bit as Abby when she's introduced and you fight alongside Joel... and THEN the scene comes where Abby kills Joel with Ellie forced to watch. It's so jarring I think specifically because of that firs game being all playing as Joel... and now this new character who you've played as has killed him :umm2:. Then you play something like a whole 6+ hours as Ellie, then it pulls a massive twist and you play through that same 3 days you've just seen from Ellie's perspective as Abby again. People really did not like it at all and resented playing as her, there was so much anger about it online :joker:. It might be a bit lessened in the show since it's just "watching" from Abby's perspective, rather than actually "being Abby".
Benjamin
22-04-2025, 07:59 PM
Seriously drained and strangely deflated after that episode
When I played the game I was devastated.. but it sets the premise for the rest of it, and it has some really beautiful parts to come if the show follows true to the game.
arista
28-04-2025, 02:25 AM
9PM Tonight
Episode 3 of 7.
Ellie,
wants her revenge.............................
Love the ending, showing the overgrown City
ahead
…episode 3…
…it’s a bit was a good episode…the opening conveyed the sadness so well that was felt at the loss of Joel…the episode really put the breaks on after last week but it was just what was needed and Ellie’s pleading her case for justice for Joel was heartbreaking…</3…
Jessica.
29-04-2025, 08:12 AM
It was a great episode!
I loved the part where Ellie's face changed as she was exiting the hospital, from relaxed and friendly to absolutely furious! I am surprised her and Dina haven't canoodled yet either! Their relationship is going a lot slower than the game!
Niamh.
29-04-2025, 09:57 AM
That was a good episode, needed a bit of a slow down after last weeks
Cherie
29-04-2025, 10:15 AM
Great episode, settled things down nicely after last week and ramped it up for next week, can't wait for it now, I am not usually a binge watcher but would binge this for sure if it were all available
Cherie
29-04-2025, 10:15 AM
That was a good episode, needed a bit of a slow down after last weeks
oh snap :laugh:
Niamh.
29-04-2025, 10:17 AM
oh snap :laugh:
Great minds :hee:
Cherie
29-04-2025, 10:44 AM
Just read Ammis spoiler as well, same :laugh:
Benjamin
29-04-2025, 11:51 AM
Another great episode with some changes from the game.
I reckon they are defo going to split the story from the game into two or 3 seasons, as there’s so much to cover with both ladies and their journeys.
Just read Ammis spoiler as well, same :laugh:
…yeah, even from the very beginning when Joel’s brother was bathing him, I kept getting flashbacks of what he would have been seeing under the cover and that was incredibly emotional …I think that it would have been too much to cope with an episode anything other than it was after last week…we needed this time to gather ourselves…
Jessica.
05-05-2025, 02:04 PM
I got jumscared by a scrotum when I was watching at 10am this morning, not a good way to start the day
…episode 4…that was an excellent episode, loved it…
Benjamin
05-05-2025, 08:21 PM
I got jumscared by a scrotum when I was watching at 10am this morning, not a good way to start the day
:joker:
Niamh.
05-05-2025, 08:28 PM
I got jumscared by a scrotum when I was watching at 10am this morning, not a good way to start the daySame [emoji23]
I got jumscared by a scrotum when I was watching at 10am this morning, not a good way to start the day
Same [emoji23]
…I don’t get that, I missed something…?…:laugh:…
…it was a very tense episode in parts, those muthers are fast…walkers on speed ….Rick was lucky to get the slowed down version…
Cherie
06-05-2025, 05:31 AM
…I don’t get that, I missed something…?…:laugh:…
the guy chained up that Isaac was torturing
the guy chained up that Isaac was torturing
…aha, that’s why I missed it …I didn’t look at the screen for that bit/I find torture difficult ….it’s good that you all were on it, though…so to speak…….
Cherie
06-05-2025, 05:36 AM
Dont know why but I was a bit underwhelmed by last nights episode, think I would have liked them to realise how many Wolves they are up against, they seem to be a bit oblivious :laugh:
…i thought that it was a very dramatic and shocking moment at the beginning when he put the grenades into the van and closed the doors…that wasn’t something that I saw coming…
…it’s also an interesting dynamic that Ellie is becoming more the ‘protector’ in her mindset because of Dina’s pregnancy…whereas she’s always more been the protected to Joel’s protector role toward her…
Jessica.
06-05-2025, 06:47 AM
Dont know why but I was a bit underwhelmed by last nights episode, think I would have liked them to realise how many Wolves they are up against, they seem to be a bit oblivious :laugh:
they are oblivious about both the seraphites and the wolves, I think they're trying to portsy that!
Also
I just rewatched the second half of the game over the past few days and jeeze, they barely have enough episodes left for anything
…I mean…there are no bad guys/they’re all bad guys…I feel so aggrieved that Joel was singled out by psycho Abbie when everyone is doing what they need to do to survive…
Jessica.
06-05-2025, 07:05 AM
…I mean…there are no bad guys/they’re all bad guys…I feel so aggrieved that Joel was singled out by psycho Abbie when everyone is doing what they need to do to survive…
She was one of the rare situations where she actually had a biological relative left and they had a close relationship, Joel and Ellie weren't even related and she's out murdering for him!
She was one of the rare situations where she actually had a biological relative left and they had a close relationship, Joel and Ellie weren't even related and she's out murdering for him!
…it’s all a very layered psychology because Abbie also knew that her father had been killed to rescue/save Ellie so she was aware of another strong emotional bond in a world of there being no good people or bad people, they were all just doing what they needed to do…
arista
06-05-2025, 07:36 AM
That was a good episode, needed a bit of a slow down after last weeks
Yes Staying Alive
is getting harder
Cherie
06-05-2025, 10:35 AM
they are oblivious about both the seraphites and the wolves, I think they're trying to portsy that!
Also
I just rewatched the second half of the game over the past few days and jeeze, they barely have enough episodes left for anything
Yeah my son said that too, they are literally flying through the game
user104658
06-05-2025, 02:51 PM
I strongly suspect they're going to end the season at the end of "Ellie's Seattle journey" and then reset to Seattle Day 1 and show Abby's story as a whole separate season. Either that or they're going to condense her part down to one episode... which frankly would be a terrible decision.
Benjamin
06-05-2025, 05:03 PM
Yeah my son said that too, they are literally flying through the game
Tbf though the game has a lot more content to keep you occupied as you’re playing it. If they did it like for like just to watch the episodes, would be quite slow for a lot of it.
user104658
07-05-2025, 02:11 PM
…it’s all a very layered psychology because Abbie also knew that her father had been killed to rescue/save Ellie so she was aware of another strong emotional bond in a world of there being no good people or bad people, they were all just doing what they needed to do…
Well... as they cover quite well in the game and show... Joel actually didn't have to kill Abby's dad (the doctor). He definitely had to kill the fireflies who were trying to stop him from getting to the operating room, but he could have gotten Ellie out without killing the medical team.
...I say the whole team because in the original game I killed the doc plus both nurses before the cutscene even triggered :joker:. Guess I'm worse than Joel :shrug:.
Well... as they cover quite well in the game and show... Joel actually didn't have to kill Abby's dad (the doctor). He definitely had to kill the fireflies who were trying to stop him from getting to the operating room, but he could have gotten Ellie out without killing the medical team.
...I say the whole team because in the original game I killed the doc plus both nurses before the cutscene even triggered :joker:. Guess I'm worse than Joel :shrug:.
…I have to say in the context of a game, I would have cleared everyone standing off that screen as well…I like your style…
…..this was an excellent episode…:love:…
… so well timed of Jesse…:laugh:…he came from nowhere just when they needed someone to come from nowhere…the end scene was brutal…:/….
Benjamin
13-05-2025, 05:58 AM
…..this was an excellent episode…:love:…
… so well timed of Jesse…:laugh:…he came from nowhere just when they needed someone to come from nowhere…the end scene was brutal…:/….
They jumped quite a bit ahead in the game. Nora doesn’t get killed until much later originally. Ellie kills one of the others first in a more brutal/revengeful fashion
They jumped quite a bit ahead in the game. Nora doesn’t get killed until much later originally. Ellie kills one of the others first in a more brutal/revengeful fashion
…I wonder if we are going to get episode(s) through the eyes of Abby and through her path or whether the series storyline will follow Dina’s words of …it doesn’t matter what Joel did, brutal revenge is all there is…
Benjamin
13-05-2025, 06:10 AM
…I wonder if we are going to get episode(s) through the eyes of Abby and through her path or whether the series storyline will follow Dina’s words of …it doesn’t matter what Joel did, brutal revenge is all there is…
I reckon that will be season 3, Abby’s story
I reckon that will be season 3, Abby’s story
….it was a great and riveting episode…
…I just felt a bit sickened at the end scene because I wanted Ellie to be more Joel-like than Abby-like in the torturous killing method…
…but though…
…I loved the very last few seconds that feel as though next week will all be in retrospect of Ellie and Joel’s bond and in brighter times…remembering him in life, rather than in torturous death…
Benjamin
13-05-2025, 06:20 AM
…but though…
…I loved the very last few seconds that feel as though next week will all be in retrospect of Ellie and Joel’s bond and in brighter times…remembering him in life, rather than in torturous death…
Yeah, we were due a Joel episode. It’s gonna be a sad episode.
Yeah, we were due a Joel episode. It’s gonna be a sad episode.
…I know, I know…we’re going to lose him all over again…https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExY2g0czV4OWFiYjY3YzZ5NGUxcjZ4YnB wZGR0MXU5eXM4eTg5YnY3YSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfY nlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/LMDye08HldmNB5ixsP/giphy.gif
Cherie
13-05-2025, 10:16 AM
Lasts nights episode had everthing, it was excellent....just a bit confused bythe ending why the random flashback?
Jessica.
13-05-2025, 11:23 AM
Lasts nights episode had everthing, it was excellent....just a bit confused bythe ending why the random flashback?
It's just leading up to the next episode, we're going to see some things that happened after they moved to Jackson
It's just leading up to the next episode, we're going to see some things that happened after they moved to Jackson
…yeah, I’ve been waiting for the flashbacks that everyone who is familiar with the game has said will happen…and they obviously have moved the story forward now to a point where Ellie and Abby are going to meet up again so this is now when it’ll go back to seeing why Joel and Ellie’s relationship had ended up being what it was and very non communicative from her perspective…?…as Ben said, I think that Abby’s perspective/back story with her dad maybe…?…will possibly be the basis of Season 3…
Cherie
13-05-2025, 02:16 PM
It's just leading up to the next episode, we're going to see some things that happened after they moved to Jackson
ah thanks that make sense, it was just so random at the end
…wow, an amazing episode…:love:…
…so filled with highs and lows of the best of Joel and Ellie’s relationship to the very worst in how/why it deteriorated and became what we saw right at the beginning of the season…also explaining the difficult relationship with Joel and Gail as well…I loved Ellie’s birthdays and how special Joel always made them but he sadly never gave her the one thing that she came to want most…her individuality and the freedom to make her own choices and honesty from him to help make those choices…such a great episode and creating that full circle from Joel’s own last with his father…
user104658
19-05-2025, 04:14 PM
I dunno mang... I'm trying really hard to like it/to just see it as a completely different story, but they're absolutely wrecking "Older Ellie" as a character this season. Some of the decisions with the changes are straight up bad... aspects of the character make very little narrative sense.
[edit to add] Season 1 was spot on BTW, something has changed drastically for season 2.
Benjamin
19-05-2025, 08:09 PM
I dunno mang... I'm trying really hard to like it/to just see it as a completely different story, but they're absolutely wrecking "Older Ellie" as a character this season. Some of the decisions with the changes are straight up bad... aspects of the character make very little narrative sense.
[edit to add] Season 1 was spot on BTW, something has changed drastically for season 2.
In what way?
…thing is…for me and other viewers who haven’t been familiar with any game storyline and are just looking at it as a stand alone plot and stand alone characters etc…
…I think the last episode was excellent in showing that breakdown of the relationship with Joel and Ellie that we had seen at the beginning at the from the dance scenes but hadn’t really understood…and also that difficult relationship with the character of Gail was fully explained also…I didn’t really think that I could see Joel as anything other than someone who did what he needed to do …but he didn’t give Ellie the chance to decide whether she wanted to ‘fulfil her destiny/her purpose’ in what she could have meant to others…what she could have meant to humankind, really…and in doing that he didn’t give others, potentially so many others to be disease/virus free….what he did, even doing it for love was pretty horrendous….
user104658
20-05-2025, 08:37 AM
In what way?
Well for one they've at times made Ellie seem a bit thick - Ellie is meant to be clever/resourceful... yes early in game at one point she's saved by Dina, but in the show I swear they're making it seem like she wouldn't last 5 minutes on her own. That part aside... her still having the jokey/upbeat nature of S1 Ellie makes ZERO narrative sense. TLOU2 Ellie is rage-fuelled, depressed, and single-minded and the character HAS to be that because -- objectively speaking -- the Seattle mission is a suicide mission. They're entering a strange city full of soldiers to track down and kill a group of killers. Ellie being unable to see past her rage and trauma is half the plot. But the show has her wisecrackin' and telling jokes like "young Ellie" ... the whole point is that Joel's death broke her ... the Ellie who is in the headspace of the Ellie in the show wouldn't be in Seattle. You could argue that she's masking her trauma but if that's what it's meant to be, it's not selling. The key example I suppose is the "I suck at math and don't know what a protractor is hehe" scene... shocking writing IMO. Like yes it's fine as a throwaway joke. Prolly not when Dina is in the process of trying to figure out where Joel's killer is in a city full of soldiers :umm2:. It would only make sense if she was more herself/jokey when distracted/when they're just hanging out, before getting back to business. Joking about the actual search? It does not make sense.
And don't get me started on Dina's "I'd track them down forever and never stop" speech like wtf that is going to be a major stumbling block later on, unless they've entirely changed another crucial part of the plot and theme :joker:. Show Dina is also out for revenge. Game Dina is only there because she loves Ellie. It's a huge and important plot distinction. And [double spoilers] it's going to make Dina look like an absolute dick if the post-seattle farm/2nd mission/return plays out the same way.
I'm not a stickler for adaptations changing things from original version but with this they're doing something really odd; changing major details like this, whilst NOT changing the overall direction of the plot/major "set piece" moments, and the result doesn't make sense. Like by all means change it but that would have knock on effects.
….I just realised yesterday when I saw that a finale trailer was showing on NOW TV…that Monday is the final episode of season 2…
Jessica.
24-05-2025, 07:36 AM
….I just realised yesterday when I saw that a finale trailer was showing on NOW TV…that Monday is the final episode of season 2…
It has gone so quickly!!
Benjamin
24-05-2025, 07:43 PM
….I just realised yesterday when I saw that a finale trailer was showing on NOW TV…that Monday is the final episode of season 2…
What already!? It doesn’t feel anywhere near ready for a finale. :worry:
I guess why they are doing that is it’ll be a natural start for Abby’s story for season 3 to lead back into season 4 with both of them. I imagine that won’t be too long for a release either.
What already!?
…yeah it’s just a 7 episode season, I think…it was 8 for the first season so one less than that…
user104658
25-05-2025, 09:31 AM
I suspect they filmed both seasons back to back and S3 will release early next year.
Its still been far too short of a run though, it feels rushed and some of the things they've conflated to shorten it... I still just dunno.
In the last episode the conversation outaide Joel's house where she says she wants to try to forgive him... In the game the scene where she finally gets him to admit what happened was months earlier (and is the reason for their rift). The flashback scene outside the house, after the party where she says she wants to try to forgive him, is LATE in the story - you don't know that happened until after you've seen all the events of seattle. She says she wants to try, they make vague plans to watch a movie at Joel's after patrol the next day (which never happens of course, because that's when he dies). It makes her mission make even more sense.
This show way just doesn't make sense honestly. He finally admits the truth and 30 seconds later she's ready to try to fix the relationship because he says "Love you kiddo". It's not clicking! And as above the worst part of that really is that it's been done to rush the story forward... And it feels rushed.
Benjamin
25-05-2025, 09:37 AM
I suspect they filmed both seasons back to back and S3 will release early next year.
Its still been far too short of a run though, it feels rushed and some of the things they've conflated to shorten it... I still just dunno.
In the last episode the conversation outaide Joel's house where she says she wants to try to forgive him... In the game the scene where she finally gets him to admit what happened was months earlier (and is the reason for their rift). The flashback scene outside the house, after the party where she says she wants to try to forgive him, is LATE in the story - you don't know that happened until after you've seen all the events of seattle. She says she wants to try, they make vague plans to watch a movie at Joel's after patrol the next day (which never happens of course, because that's when he dies). It makes her mission make even more sense.
This show way just doesn't make sense honestly. He finally admits the truth and 30 seconds later she's ready to try to fix the relationship because he says "Love you kiddo". It's not clicking! And as above the worst part of that really is that it's been done to rush the story forward... And it feels rushed.
Looks like they’re filming season 3 this summer.
I agree though it has felt very rushed. I’m unsure why they didn’t decide to make this a ten episode season to cover this part of the game in more detail.
…final episode today, eeeeeeek….
Jessica.
26-05-2025, 07:11 AM
I'm so nervous/excited!
…just watched the season finale…
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Niamh.
26-05-2025, 07:53 PM
Is e7 the finale?
Is e7 the finale?
…yes, this is the final one of this season now…
user104658
26-05-2025, 08:25 PM
lol people will go wild at that cliffhanger.
The finale was surprisingly decent, again all a bit rushed, my only gripe is... When Ellie got knocked off the boat, swept a couple of miles across stormy sea, washed up on a beach, had half of what is actually an Abby scene... For no reason whatsoever... And then got on a different (?) boat right back to where she was headed in the first place.
WHY?
:joker: pointless, waste of screen time and also completely unfeasible/unrealistic... She would clearly Have DROWNED.
She is knocked off the boat in-game but it's like 50 metres from the shore at the aquarium and she manages to swim ashore there. Not washed up on the Scar island :umm2:... Again for absolutely no plot reason? Really weird choice.
Cherie
26-05-2025, 08:42 PM
ah Jesse, that said they were preparing us...I cant die, I cant die...oh I died
….it was a very good final episode…:love:..
…and left it perfectly leading into Abby’s story going back to day 1 again but from her perspective…which is what the game players have said, that we see it through Abby’s eyes…I’m not sure how that’ll translate from game to series though as we’ve attached so much to Ellie/as we did to Joel so it’s hard to imagine the transition…I have to say that I’m probably less excited and anticipated for the third season as I have no emotional attachment to Abby at all because of how brutal she was in her killing of Joel…
user104658
27-05-2025, 08:11 AM
….it was a very good final episode…:love:..
…and left it perfectly leading into Abby’s story going back to day 1 again but from her perspective…which is what the game players have said, that we see it through Abby’s eyes…I’m not sure how that’ll translate from game to series though as we’ve attached so much to Ellie/as we did to Joel so it’s hard to imagine the transition…I have to say that I’m probably less excited and anticipated for the third season as I have no emotional attachment to Abby at all because of how brutal she was in her killing of Joel…
well, this is something players really struggled with too, to the extent that the poor woman who voiced Abby was getting death threats and some people "refused" to continue playing or repeatedly deliberately got the character killed. However if you go in with a open mind, Abby is a great character, and I feel you really don't have to take sides and can sympathise with both of them (and that was always the message)
well, this is something players really struggled with too, to the extent that the poor woman who voiced Abby was getting death threats and some people "refused" to continue playing or repeatedly deliberately got the character killed. However if you go in with a open mind, Abby is a great character, and I feel you really don't have to take sides and can sympathise with both of them (and that was always the message)
…yeah, totally…it’s just getting over that thing of there being emotional room for us to have empathy with both characters…it doesn’t have to be one or the other because that’s more ‘real’ anyway, isn’t it…good/bad is very complex and layered and not a black and white thing…I’m sure that once were absorbed in Abby’s story in season 3 it’ll all feel obvious and natural but it’s something we’ll have to start experiencing first because TV stories do take us out of ‘reality’ as well and we do get attached to characters, which is the purpose/intention of the producers as well…this new Abby perspective will also keep the edge of being different as well and offering something new…
Niamh.
27-05-2025, 09:58 AM
I know this might be a bit controversial but
I find Ellie kind of annoying :worry: I feel like I might like Abby more
user104658
27-05-2025, 12:01 PM
I know this might be a bit controversial but
I find Ellie kind of annoying :worry: I feel like I might like Abby more
I tried really, really hard not to feel that way during this season but... yeah Bella Ramsay's Ellie is annoying. I do maintain that she played a great mid-teens Ellie in S1 (and the flashback episode confirmed that - best Ellie of the season by far) but she's not captured older/rageful Ellie at all... it's coming across entitled and irritating... like her relationship with Jessie is totally different in show (they're friends with deep respect for each other in game) and I can see WHY that is... like... he's not wrong? :joker: In the game yes she acts selfishly but it's much, much more clear that she's not thinking clearly/is totally blinded by grief, it's not "her".
Also doesn't help that I do actually slightly side Team Abby in the game narrative but it's very close "both sides have a point/both sides are also wrong" thing. In the show I'm worried people will just end up going full Team Abby :umm2:.
Niamh.
27-05-2025, 01:02 PM
I tried really, really hard not to feel that way during this season but... yeah Bella Ramsay's Ellie is annoying. I do maintain that she played a great mid-teens Ellie in S1 (and the flashback episode confirmed that - best Ellie of the season by far) but she's not captured older/rageful Ellie at all... it's coming across entitled and irritating... like her relationship with Jessie is totally different in show (they're friends with deep respect for each other in game) and I can see WHY that is... like... he's not wrong? :joker: In the game yes she acts selfishly but it's much, much more clear that she's not thinking clearly/is totally blinded by grief, it's not "her".
Also doesn't help that I do actually slightly side Team Abby in the game narrative but it's very close "both sides have a point/both sides are also wrong" thing. In the show I'm worried people will just end up going full Team Abby :umm2:.
Yeah I agree with you about her S1 Vs S2. I liked her a lot more then :laugh: and yeah I totally get Abbys POV already even without seeing S3, I mean he murdered her dad, he wasn't a soldier and he wasn't armed :shrug:
…I like the actress who plays Abby…(…I realise that physically she doesn’t resemble the Abby of the game play…)….but it was Pedro Pascal that she brutally and coldly and torturously beat to death so I don’t know how I’ll come to feel about her when we follow her story…I mean, it was Pedro Pascal…that’s a lot and I’m still processing….
user104658
27-05-2025, 01:28 PM
…I like the actress who plays Abby…(…I realise that physically she doesn’t resemble the Abby of the game play…)….but it was Pedro Pascal that she brutally and coldly and torturously beat to death so I don’t know how I’ll come to feel about her when we follow her story…I mean, it was Pedro Pascal…that’s a lot and I’m still processing….
If it helps (though this is an actual spoiler) To be fair Abby comes to the conclusion that vengeance/killing Joel did nothing to help her and felt empty, that it's just a pointless cycle of violence, waaaaaaay quicker than Ellie... so it's not like she's going around happy/celebrating being a Joel-killer.
I think they can work around the physical differences in the character to be fair, though they'll need to lean more into her being a good tactician/leader to justify the comments about her being such a great soldier, since she's not in straight up "super soldier territory" like game Abby.
I think one of the saddest parts about it is that we'll (surely) never get to see show Abby kill a clicker with her bare fists like she can on a few occasions in game. Just swaggering around punching them square in the throat until they die :joker:.
They've DEFINITELY set up Abby vs "The Rat King" though - which is a big/messed up infected in the hospital basement, I suspect the show version is going to be (...partly... :umm2:...) the son of that ALF deputy lady, who she had to trap down there (and Ellie saw starting to look suspiciously Rat-Kingy).
Spoiler for what the Rat King is if you don't want to know It's basically a blob of multiple infected that have grown/fused together into one big... multi-headed thing... Abby fights it in the hospital, it's horrific :joker:
If it helps (though this is an actual spoiler) To be fair Abby comes to the conclusion that vengeance/killing Joel did nothing to help her and felt empty, that it's just a pointless cycle of violence, waaaaaaay quicker than Ellie... so it's not like she's going around happy/celebrating being a Joel-killer.
I think they can work around the physical differences in the character to be fair, though they'll need to lean more into her being a good tactician/leader to justify the comments about her being such a great soldier, since she's not in straight up "super soldier territory" like game Abby.
I think one of the saddest parts about it is that we'll (surely) never get to see show Abby kill a clicker with her bare fists like she can on a few occasions in game. Just swaggering around punching them square in the throat until they die :joker:.
They've DEFINITELY set up Abby vs "The Rat King" though - which is a big/messed up infected in the hospital basement, I suspect the show version is going to be (...partly... :umm2:...) the son of that ALF deputy lady, who she had to trap down there (and Ellie saw starting to look suspiciously Rat-Kingy).
Spoiler for what the Rat King is if you don't want to know It's basically a blob of multiple infected that have grown/fused together into one big... multi-headed thing... Abby fights it in the hospital, it's horrific :joker:
…I’m guessing that it it was touched on in the finale in that Abby has leadership skills that the no one else has so she was always the one that would lead them, rather than focus on any physical aspect…I mean, she’s a great soldier as well but maybe the focus will be more with leadership qualities than physical might…
user104658
27-05-2025, 02:25 PM
One thing I will say, they did a great job with poor Mel, I think you're supposed to feel bad for Mel in-game too but Game Mel is frankly kind of irritating so while what happens is obviously horrible... it's less horrible... because I don't think Mel herself is a very likeable character.
Poor show-Mel seemed like a normal girl who got caught up in something she really wanted nothing to do with, pretty much dragged along because all of her friends were involved.
Also (graphic game-image, not a spoiler if you've seen the finale)
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Poor Mel gets a neck stabby rather than accidentally shot - it's pretty grim :umm2:
user104658
27-05-2025, 02:40 PM
Yet another question/plot hole tho...
How did Abby find the theatre in the show? In the show, Ellie's trying to get them to point out where Abby is on a map that's there in the aquarium. In the game, Ellie's trying to make them point to where Abby is in HER map that she brought with her - in the aftermath of what happens, she accidentally leaves her map behind, and the theatre is marked on that map (so when Abby finds her friends dead she knows exactly where to go). It's a very neat way to tie up a potential loose end that, for some reason, they didn't do in the show. I can't think of any reason for that really. Everthing else plays out the same, except that it's not Ellie's map.
Niamh.
27-05-2025, 02:45 PM
Yet another question/plot hole tho...
How did Abby find the theatre in the show? In the show, Ellie's trying to get them to point out where Abby is on a map that's there in the aquarium. In the game, Ellie's trying to make them point to where Abby is in HER map that she brought with her - in the aftermath of what happens, she accidentally leaves her map behind, and the theatre is marked on that map (so when Abby finds her friends dead she knows exactly where to go). It's a very neat way to tie up a potential loose end that, for some reason, they didn't do in the show. I can't think of any reason for that really. Everthing else plays out the same, except that it's not Ellie's map.
I would imagine they'll show how she found them next season when we get it played out from Abbys POV
user104658
27-05-2025, 02:53 PM
I would imagine they'll show how she found them next season when we get it played out from Abbys POV
I'm sus that it'll be like how Jessie found them - "I just did OK?? Shut up Ellie you idiot!! God damn!" :umm2:
One thing I will say, they did a great job with poor Mel, I think you're supposed to feel bad for Mel in-game too but Game Mel is frankly kind of irritating so while what happens is obviously horrible... it's less horrible... because I don't think Mel herself is a very likeable character.
Poor show-Mel seemed like a normal girl who got caught up in something she really wanted nothing to do with, pretty much dragged along because all of her friends were involved.
Also (graphic game-image, not a spoiler if you've seen the finale)
https://i.imgur.com/qN3z6Rl.png
Poor Mel gets a neck stabby rather than accidentally shot - it's pretty grim :umm2:
…what about Owen in the game…?…I didn’t feel as though his character really was given much substance in the series then ruthless…he was dead in the blink of a blink…but I guess that his character is more for Abby’s back story…I don’t think that I like this reverse thing and knowing their ending before we know their beginning and journeys…
Niamh.
27-05-2025, 02:55 PM
I'm sus that it'll be like how Jessie found them - "I just did OK?? Shut up Ellie you idiot!! God damn!" :umm2:
:laugh:
Well if we were getting a Jessie POV season we'd probably know :fist:
user104658
27-05-2025, 03:33 PM
…what about Owen in the game…?…I didn’t feel as though his character really was given much substance in the series then ruthless…he was dead in the blink of a blink…but I guess that his character is more for Abby’s back story…I don’t think that I like this reverse thing and knowing their ending before we know their beginning and journeys…
Owen featured quite a bit in Abby's story so I imagine we'll see more of him in S3, there are also a few Abby/Owen flashbacks in game (similar to the Ellie/Joel flashbacks), I imagine they'll include some of that too. It happens the same in the game too though I think it's kind of the point - they're basically just more "unknown bad guys" up until that end of day 3, then you go back to day 1 and learn about them (while already knowing what happens to them)
Owen featured quite a bit in Abby's story so I imagine we'll see more of him in S3, there are also a few Abby/Owen flashbacks in game (similar to the Ellie/Joel flashbacks), I imagine they'll include some of that too. It happens the same in the game too though I think it's kind of the point - they're basically just more "unknown bad guys" up until that end of day 3, then you go back to day 1 and learn about them (while already knowing what happens to them)
…from the little but we saw of him earlier before Joel’s death, it felt that he was somewhat of a more balanced influence in Abby’s life…obviously loyal to her but not really on board with her revenge so he didn’t feel ‘bad’ to me as such and maybe deserving of a more dramatic ending than the split second one that we saw…
user104658
27-05-2025, 03:41 PM
:laugh:
Well if we were getting a Jessie POV season we'd probably know :fist:
Funnily enough I remember people really wanted a "Jessie DLC" for the game where you'd play as him from arriving in Seattle up to when he meets up with Ellie (in the game Ellie and Jessie run into each other out in the city fighting WLF's, Dina is in a sort of "control centre" role back at the theatre). And also the order of arrival in Seattle in the game was;
Tommy left for Seattle first (on his own), Tommy's wife then gave Ellie and Dina the supplies/horse to go after Tommy, Jessie found out and went after them on his own (so arrived in Seattle last, alone). So there's a whole day+ of Jessie vs the WLF in the city.
Also Tommy has basically gone full terminator, while sneaking around a WLF area you can overhear them talking about how there's some "unknown soldier" in the city sniping dozens of WLF and they can't find him -- implied to be Tommy on a full on killing spree :joker:. I kind of hope they show that.
There's a whole Abby-sequence where you're basically just fleeing from Tommy, all you ever see of him is a shadowy figure in the distance/the rifle light and it's bloody terrifying, way scarier than any infected, Tommy is a machine :joker:
arista
31-05-2025, 12:55 PM
…just watched the season finale…
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Yes
a rush at the very end.
If only she had said the power she had immunity
Just watching ep 6 now...
Oh i am sooooo happy they included this scene/stage/part of the game :love:
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