Daze is actually awful

[vesavius]

That ' I'll leave' move was gross.

Plus, who is she to say that she knows what's good for pensioners over them?

Arrogant and manipulative.

People saying 'it's a game', yes it is you are right, but you can tell a LOT about a person in how they choose to play a game. When they show you who they are, believe them.

[GlitterUK]

I think she has come into the house with the idea of being the next Greta type "celeb". I think the climate change thing is her story and she will shout about it at every chance she gets.

[rusticgal]

I agree...she isn't coming across well at all...especially in the task.

[arista]

Yes we need to hear her speak more


It is not good

[Kate!]

I like her, she'll either be an early exit though or fly under the radar for quite some time. We'll see.

[caprimint]

She sucked in the tasks but honestly she was more annoying with her political **** when talking to Nathan

[OnTheRight]

She sucked in the tasks but honestly she was more annoying with her political **** when talking to Nathan

Especially the bit where she said "We pay for the royals" I read she is on the dole.

[vesavius]

Especially the bit where she said "We pay for the royals" I read she is on the dole.

Not only that but it showed a glaring lack of knowledge about how the Royals are actually funded.

But let's never allow ignorance to get in the way of a strong political view.

(I am not even a Royalist, (tbc)

[vesavius]

Yes we need to hear her speak more


It is not good

Agree.

Give her all the rope she can carry.

[Crimson Dynamo]

She reminds me of one of those protestors with her Socialist Worker placard at a Hamas rally getting interviewed

Interviewer: "I notice you are chanting From the River to the sea?"

Daze: "yeah Free Free Palestine"

Interviewer: "what river and what sea?"

Daze: "wot..er wait I do know this...is it the Severn river and the Irish sea"?

:idc:

[OnTheRight]

She reminds me of one of those protestors with her Socialist Worker placard at a Hamas rally getting interviewed

Interviewer: "I notice you are chanting From the River to the sea?"

Daze: "yeah Free Free Palestine"

Interviewer: "what river and what sea?"

Daze: "wot..er wait I do know this...is it the Severn river and the Irish sea"?

:idc::laugh:

She is exactly that.

One of those who go out of their way to get offended.

[Gusto Brunt]

Oh my Daze. :p

[GoldHeart]

I find it funny, how people are judging Daze ... like the other housemates wouldn't have pulled a similar trick :laugh:. Plus she still stayed good on her promise to Lily ,so I don't get the fuss . Yes she guilt tripped her...but it still worked out for them & for Emma aswell :shrug:.

And Nathan getting salty is a bit rich ,when he probably would have done everything he can to save himself....if he didn't quit early on. It's a game ...hate the game not the player, both Lily & Daze wanted it badly.

And neither would have quit, so it made more sense for Daze to do something like that , if you don't like how she did it then ok ...but I still think it was clever for one of them to make a pact / agreement ( I bet little screaming baby Lily would have gotten a pass if she pulled the
same stunt :rolleyes:) , otherwise....they both probably would still have their arm in the air now, I doubt BB would
have crowned both as winners , they probably would
have needed to send emergency help.


I still don't know how they managed 2 & a half hours!:shocked:... that's crazy.

[Vanessa]

I wouldn't say awful. It's a game?And she did bring Lily to the House. But it will get her nominated.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I wouldn't say awful. It's a game?And she did bring Lily to the House. But it will get her nominated.

BB would have found a way to

1. get Lily in

2. make sure she was not up

you can bet on that

[GoldHeart]

BB would have found a way to

1. get Lily in

2. make sure she was not up

you can bet on that

There's other housemates in there aswell....it isn't all about Lily .

[Zizu]

I wouldn't say awful. It's a game?And she did bring Lily to the House. But it will get her nominated.


Yes I fully expect Daze to be up for eviction and expulsion as she’s extremely low in the betting odds

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[vesavius]

I find it funny, how people are judging Daze ... like the other housemates wouldn't have pulled a similar trick

Well, we judge them on what they do not what others might have done, I guess.

I will be just as hard on shitheel behaviour when others show it as well.

[Garfie]

Daze is doing herself no favours. My impression of her on the opening night was positive, but she has now displayed too many aspects of her character that I don’t have any time or respect for. Personally, I’ll be glad to see the back of her.

[Vanessa]

Daze is doing herself no favours. My impression of her on the opening night was positive, but she has now displayed too many aspects of her character that I don’t have any time or respect for. Personally, I’ll be glad to see the back of her.

Yes she should have let the game play out. That way she would have been safe anyway.

[Garfie]

Especially the bit where she said "We pay for the royals" I read she is on the dole.

Yes, She lists herself as a climate activist but that’s surely something you pursue in your spare time, not a paid profession? I’m getting the impression she is one of those ‘do as I say and not as I do’ people. I thought it was a bit ironic that, as a climate activist, she is happy to pollute the air with her ciggie smoking!

I agree with MysticMock that she doesn’t understand how the Royal Family is funded. She also showed no awareness of the money they bring into the country through tourism, or the workforce that supports.

I’m not a massive Royalist, but I respect the monarchy as it is part of our history and heritage, and personally I think it is important to maintain our traditions, especially when they are such a draw to tourists from other countries.

[Garfie]

Yes she should have let the game play out. That way she would have been safe anyway.

Or she could have just had a discussion with Lily, and made the suggestion that one of them puts their arm down, with the promise that the other would take them through.
There was no need for the guilt-tripping or manipulative tactics she used, which seemed to demoralise and subdue someone she classed as a friend in the house. She could have achieved the same result in a more thoughtful and considerate way - the fact that she chose not to suggests a lot about her personality, and her treatment of others.

[Zizu]

Or she could have just had a discussion with Lily, and made the suggestion that one of them puts their arm down, with the promise that the other would take them through.
There was no need for the guilt-tripping or manipulative tactics she used, which seemed to demoralise and subdue someone she classed as a friend in the house. She could have achieved the same result in a more thoughtful and considerate way - the fact that she chose not to suggests a lot about her personality, and her treatment of others.


Perfect assessment !


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[GoldHeart]

Or she could have just had a discussion with Lily, and made the suggestion that one of them puts their arm down, with the promise that the other would take them through.
There was no need for the guilt-tripping or manipulative tactics she used, which seemed to demoralise and subdue someone she classed as a friend in the house. She could have achieved the same result in a more thoughtful and considerate way - the fact that she chose not to suggests a lot about her personality, and her treatment of others.

Like I said I don't think Daze did anything wrong and it was smart ,but yeah i probably would have done it in a more diplomatic way . But we have to remember they were in pain physically after keeping their hand in the air for 2 hours ...and that storage room looked uncomfortable to sleep.

I think it was always going to come down to an agreement/ pact. Because we all know BB would have carried it on until one of them faints from exhaustion, it's a game ..and there's no way I'm getting sore muscles or cramp ,so I'd negotiate with the other last person standing.

[jet]

Or she could have just had a discussion with Lily, and made the suggestion that one of them puts their arm down, with the promise that the other would take them through.
There was no need for the guilt-tripping or manipulative tactics she used, which seemed to demoralise and subdue someone she classed as a friend in the house. She could have achieved the same result in a more thoughtful and considerate way - the fact that she chose not to suggests a lot about her personality, and her treatment of others.

Totally agree Garfie, and that goes for your other posts on Daze as well.:hee:

[Garfie]

Totally agree Garfie, and that goes for your other posts on Daze as well.:hee:

Cheers, Jet.

[Mystic Mock]

I like her, she'll either be an early exit though or fly under the radar for quite some time. We'll see.

Same here.

I respect Daze and Nathan as Housemates, they aren't afraid to say what they think.

[Maru]

Yes, She lists herself as a climate activist but that’s surely something you pursue in your spare time, not a paid profession? I’m getting the impression she is one of those ‘do as I say and not as I do’ people. I thought it was a bit ironic that, as a climate activist, she is happy to pollute the air with her ciggie smoking!

I agree with MysticMock that she doesn’t understand how the Royal Family is funded. She also showed no awareness of the money they bring into the country through tourism, or the workforce that supports.

I’m not a massive Royalist, but I respect the monarchy as it is part of our history and heritage, and personally I think it is important to maintain our traditions, especially when they are such a draw to tourists from other countries.

In or near the DC metro area alone, the massive amounts of overemployment/federally contracted individuals—much of which are military-related—govt property—nor cultural or historical— and other "mixed interests", all to keep up the appearances of a "functional" govt. Even just what we pay to enable worldwide use of a perpetually overactive military here in the States more than overshadows what y'all pay into the system for the Monarchy. Something to consider...

At least the residents of the UK get an ROI in generally positive presentations across the world in some form. Our overspending doesn't even give us that credibility. :laugh: I'd much rather pay to promote our history, rather than an endless stockpile of bombs, planes and misc equipment to go to countries where most people here can't even find it on a map... and that doesn't even include the other crap we fund... (https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/Festivus-2023.pdf)

I would say the Monarchy pays for itself in PR alone. Even if I don't "see the point" to a Monarchy in my own country, I see what it offers the UK in terms of traditions shared via a national identity. It's a cheaper way to do it than what the US has been doing over the past decade or so. Shared identity is very important, especially in nations that are multicultural in origin...

[Maru]

Yeaaaah just got to the task with Lily... **** off Daze lmao. Holy crap. Serious narcissistic vibes.

[Garfie]

In or near the DC metro area alone, the massive amounts of overemployment/federally contracted individuals—much of which are military-related—govt property—nor cultural or historical— and other "mixed interests", all to keep up the appearances of a "functional" govt. Even just what we pay to enable worldwide use of a perpetually overactive military here in the States more than overshadows what y'all pay into the system for the Monarchy. Something to consider...

At least the residents of the UK get an ROI in generally positive presentations across the world in some form. Our overspending doesn't even give us that credibility. :laugh: I'd much rather pay to promote our history, rather than an endless stockpile of bombs, planes and misc equipment to go to countries where most people here can't even find it on a map... and that doesn't even include the other crap we fund... (https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/Festivus-2023.pdf)

I would say the Monarchy pays for itself in PR alone. Even if I don't "see the point" to a Monarchy in my own country, I see what it offers the UK in terms of traditions shared via a national identity. It's a cheaper way to do it than what the US has been doing over the past decade or so. Shared identity is very important, especially in nations that are multicultural in origin...

Great to read your post, as always, Maru, because you always make interesting and thought-provoking points.
Until the Queen’s death I always thought I could give all take the monarchy, but suddenly we lost someone and something that had been ever-present, and I personally experienced feelings of great insecurity and uncertainty. I felt as if I was on a little dinghy in the expanse of an ocean, without any land in sight. That opened up my mind to the sense of stability, strength and safety the presence of the monarchy gave me, as it is so deeply rooted in the history, traditions and culture of our country. It was then I realised that I needed it there as a continuing presence.

I also felt so very proud of the British people and how we responded as a country. We came together and were united as one entity. As a country, it allowed us to show the best of ourselves, our values and our characteristics as people.
In addition, it was so amazing and so very touching to see the impact that the Queen’s passing had around the world, and in countries that I would never have expected our monarchy to have any relevance, importance or respect. It felt global, and as if the world had also come together because of something so very British.

I will never forget President Macron saying something like ‘ To the British people, she was their Queen, but to the world she was the Queen’. It was one of many beautiful things said that stays with me and still makes me emotional even now. As a result I had to ask myself how could we, as a country, fail to see the value of our Royal Family?

I love Charles as a King, as he is so connected to the people, and demonstrates warmth, strength, affection and appreciation where ever he goes. I think he is wonderfully in touch with his emotions and his people.. I admire his values too, and can now recognise how far ahead of his time his thinking has always been. I see him almost as the Father of our country, and he has brought back that feeling of safety and security I thought was lost.

[Mystic Mock]

I didn't appreciate everywhere shutting down when the Queen passed away though.:nono:

Obviously it's a shame that she passed away, but that doesn't mean that the country should have a Covid style shutdown over it imo.

[Garfie]

I didn't appreciate everywhere shutting down when the Queen passed away though.:nono:

Obviously it's a shame that she passed away, but that doesn't mean that the country should have a Covid style shutdown over it imo.

What shut down, though? Nothing shut down in my area, and that certainly wasn’t my experience. A COVID style shutdown would suggest that nothing was open and everyone was isolated, but it was anything but that, as people were coming together and sharing a collective experience as a nation, so I’m not really understanding your point.

Maybe it just hit differently for different people?

I think it’s another case of experiences and perceptions differing

[Mystic Mock]

What shut down, though? Nothing shut down in my area, and that certainly wasn’t my experience. A COVID style shutdown would suggest that nothing was open and everyone was isolated, but it was anything but that, as people were coming together and sharing a collective experience as a nation, so I’m not really understanding your point.

Maybe it just hit differently for different people?

I think it’s another case of experiences and perceptions differing

Shops and events all shutdown during the whole thing.

It was like being in lockdown all over again.

[Garfie]

Shops and events all shutdown during the whole thing.

It was like being in lockdown all over again.

Seriously? Lockdown? This comment makes no sense. We were free to go wherever we wanted to, at any point in time. Also, shops and events didn’t all shut down!

I’m finding this a very strange comparison and not a true representation of that period of time at all. :shrug:

[Benjamin]

Shops and events all shutdown during the whole thing.

It was like being in lockdown all over again.

All of hospo was still open, as were many retail places. It was nothing like lock down. The only major things not to be open were offices, and some retail. Christmas Day has more things closed. :nono:

[Garfie]

All of hospo was still open, as were many retail places. It was nothing like lock down. The only major things not to be open were offices, and some retail. Christmas Day has more things closed. :nono:

Thank you, Benjamin! I was beginning to question my own sanity there!! :laugh:

[Oliver_W]

I would say the Monarchy pays for itself in PR alone.

That, and they pay more in taxes than they receive from them.

[MTVN]

Great to read your post, as always, Maru, because you always make interesting and thought-provoking points.
Until the Queen’s death I always thought I could give all take the monarchy, but suddenly we lost someone and something that had been ever-present, and I personally experienced feelings of great insecurity and uncertainty. I felt as if I was on a little dinghy in the expanse of an ocean, without any land in sight. That opened up my mind to the sense of stability, strength and safety the presence of the monarchy gave me, as it is so deeply rooted in the history, traditions and culture of our country. It was then I realised that I needed it there as a continuing presence.

I also felt so very proud of the British people and how we responded as a country. We came together and were united as one entity. As a country, it allowed us to show the best of ourselves, our values and our characteristics as people.
In addition, it was so amazing and so very touching to see the impact that the Queen’s passing had around the world, and in countries that I would never have expected our monarchy to have any relevance, importance or respect. It felt global, and as if the world had also come together because of something so very British.

I will never forget President Macron saying something like ‘ To the British people, she was their Queen, but to the world she was the Queen’. It was one of many beautiful things said that stays with me and still makes me emotional even now. As a result I had to ask myself how could we, as a country, fail to see the value of our Royal Family?

I love Charles as a King, as he is so connected to the people, and demonstrates warmth, strength, affection and appreciation where ever he goes. I think he is wonderfully in touch with his emotions and his people.. I admire his values too, and can now recognise how far ahead of his time his thinking has always been. I see him almost as the Father of our country, and he has brought back that feeling of safety and security I thought was lost.

A great post Garfie!

[Mrluvaluva]

She's opinionated and full of ****. She reiterates what she believes to be the truth. She doesn't listen (which is the only way you can learn something). Her facts are sometimes completely wrong. Manipulative.

I mean "I'm worried about climate change but let's have a ciggy"...

Maybe I just don't like her.

[Mystic Mock]

Seriously? Lockdown? This comment makes no sense. We were free to go wherever we wanted to, at any point in time. Also, shops and events didn’t all shut down!

I’m finding this a very strange comparison and not a true representation of that period of time at all. :shrug:

It must've been different where you lived then, because where I lived became a ghost town.

But then my area is very much like Nathan in being very pro-royals.

Not that I'm saying that there's anything wrong with being pro-royals.

[Mystic Mock]

All of hospo was still open, as were many retail places. It was nothing like lock down. The only major things not to be open were offices, and some retail. Christmas Day has more things closed. :nono:

Maybe it was different in the cities?:shrug:

[Ammi]

…I don’t think she’s awful but she can get a bit shouty, shouty/preachy when she’s trying to put forward her opinion and others voice any disagreement with it…she has to accept that people will disagree and that the only way to find solutions to things/world changes etc is to listen to other voices…she can tend to have a ‘well I KNOW because I’ve experienced and others haven’t had my experience so they’re wrong…’ type vibe, which in itself shows a lack of ‘KNOWING’ because it’s too blinkered and restricted….knowing is listening, surely…

[Benjamin]

Maybe it was different in the cities?:shrug:

I don’t live in a city :tongue:

[Mrluvaluva]

…I don’t think she’s awful but she can get a bit shouty, shouty/preachy when she’s trying to put forward her opinion and others voice any disagreement with it…she has to accept that people will disagree and that the only way to find solutions to things/world changes etc is to listen to other voices…she can tend to have a ‘well I KNOW because I’ve experienced and others haven’t had my experience so they’re wrong…’ type vibe, which in itself shows a lack of ‘KNOWING’ because it’s too blinkered and restricted….knowing is listening, surely…

As The Dali Lama said..."When you talk, you are only repeating what you already know. But if you listen, you may learn something new." We should all have an open mind.

[Crimson Dynamo]

As The Dali Lama said..."When you talk, you are only repeating what you already know. But if you listen, you may learn something new." We should all have an open mind.

not too open, or your brain will fall out!

[jet]

Great to read your post, as always, Maru, because you always make interesting and thought-provoking points.
Until the Queen’s death I always thought I could give all take the monarchy, but suddenly we lost someone and something that had been ever-present, and I personally experienced feelings of great insecurity and uncertainty. I felt as if I was on a little dinghy in the expanse of an ocean, without any land in sight. That opened up my mind to the sense of stability, strength and safety the presence of the monarchy gave me, as it is so deeply rooted in the history, traditions and culture of our country. It was then I realised that I needed it there as a continuing presence.

I also felt so very proud of the British people and how we responded as a country. We came together and were united as one entity. As a country, it allowed us to show the best of ourselves, our values and our characteristics as people.
In addition, it was so amazing and so very touching to see the impact that the Queen’s passing had around the world, and in countries that I would never have expected our monarchy to have any relevance, importance or respect. It felt global, and as if the world had also come together because of something so very British.

I will never forget President Macron saying something like ‘ To the British people, she was their Queen, but to the world she was the Queen’. It was one of many beautiful things said that stays with me and still makes me emotional even now. As a result I had to ask myself how could we, as a country, fail to see the value of our Royal Family?

I love Charles as a King, as he is so connected to the people, and demonstrates warmth, strength, affection and appreciation where ever he goes. I think he is wonderfully in touch with his emotions and his people.. I admire his values too, and can now recognise how far ahead of his time his thinking has always been. I see him almost as the Father of our country, and he has brought back that feeling of safety and security I thought was lost.

Super post Garfie! :love:

[Kazanne]

Went right off her in the task, sly and manipulative.

[Cherie]

Went right off her in the task, sly and manipulative.

ah wondered where you were Kaz

[Kazanne]

ah wondered where you were Kaz

I'm watching it Cherie ,just finding it hard to find a stand out,so far I like Ali (the ginger haired girl I think )I don't mind Nathan and a couple of others,but early days for me yet.Hope you are well Cherie xxxx:wavey:

[Cherie]

I'm watching it Cherie ,just finding it hard to find a stand out,so far I like Ali (the ginger haired girl I think )I don't mind Nathan and a couple of others,but early days for me yet.Hope you are well Cherie xxxx:wavey:

All good tx Kaz hope you are too, no stand outs for me either, liking Nathan that is about it

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

She KO'ed Nathan in that debate!!!

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Went right off her in the task, sly and manipulative.

Yeah that was not great, but this isn't friendship island lol

[Vanessa]

I don't think she's done herself any favours. It will get her nominated. They don't have many reasons, so this could be an easy nomination.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

I don't think she's done herself any favours. It will get her nominated. They don't have many reasons, so this could be an easy nomination.

Sadly true. But people seem to love her on twitter

[Crimson Dynamo]

She KO'ed Nathan in that debate!!!

she didn't

:joker:

he, at best, tolerated her

[Niamh.]

She's going to be a good HM regardless of whether people like her or not

[Vanessa]

She's going to be a good HM regardless of whether people like her or not

Yes.

[GoldHeart]

She's going to be a good HM regardless of whether people like her or not

Marmite effect :laugh:

[Vanessa]

I am grateful that she brought back Lily. The poor girl was such a mess at the end of that task. I didn't want her to go. She has shown so much potential.

[StephenPullen]

The more she speaks, the more the public will not like her. She is a great sh*t stirrer and discussionist.

[MTVN]

I always quite admire when people have very strong convictions but I don't like it when they think they are uniquely qualified to talk about something or have some deep insight that other people aren't capable of understanding. That's when it just becomes arrogance

[Zizu]

Yeah that was not great, but this isn't friendship island lol


Well oddly enough ‘friends’ are important in the house as regards nominations and general wellbeing etc


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[Zizu]

The more she speaks, the more the public will not like her. She is a great sh*t stirrer and discussionist.


With a filthy mouth !!


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[OnTheRight]

I wish she would just shut up & get a job. Horrid woman.

[Mystic Mock]

I don’t live in a city :tongue:

Maybe it was just my area then.:laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

As The Dali Lama said..."When you talk, you are only repeating what you already know. But if you listen, you may learn something new." We should all have an open mind.

You're not talking about the Dali Lama that wanted to suck a young boy's tongue are you?

[Mystic Mock]

I always quite admire when people have very strong convictions but I don't like it when they think they are uniquely qualified to talk about something or have some deep insight that other people aren't capable of understanding. That's when it just becomes arrogance

That's where she'll hopefully grow as a person.

Because to me personally, Daze seems like she'll be one of the more interesting Housemates this series.

[Mrluvaluva]

You're not talking about the Dali Lama that wanted to suck a young boy's tongue are you?

How many are there? Just because I used a quote from him doesn't mean I condone all of his actions. He makes a valid point. Or should I just succumb to cancel culture and never mention anything from him in future? I don't get your point.

[GoldHeart]

That's where she'll hopefully grow as a person.

Because to me personally, Daze seems like she'll be one of the more interesting Housemates this series.

I hope she starts having more fun ,it seems everything so far is serious debate...which ok I understand,but there has to be more to life and more layers.

[Mystic Mock]

How many are there? Just because I used a quote from him doesn't mean I condone all of his actions. He makes a valid point. Or should I just succumb to cancel culture and never mention anything from him in future? I don't get your point.

Fair point tbf.

Hopefully he'll take his own advice about listening to people when they tell him that sucking on a child's tongue is wrong.

[Mystic Mock]

I hope she starts having more fun ,it seems everything so far is serious debate...which ok I understand,but there has to be more to life and more layers.

I do agree with that.

[bots]

I would be happy to see Daze go next Friday

[Zizu]

I would be happy to see Daze go next Friday


Or sooner .. I’m hoping she walks ..


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[Garfie]

Super post Garfie! :love:

Thank you, Jet. I appreciate your response, particularly as I always have such great respect for your views. :thumbs::hug:

[Garfie]

I always quite admire when people have very strong convictions but I don't like it when they think they are uniquely qualified to talk about something or have some deep insight that other people aren't capable of understanding. That's when it just becomes arrogance

You’ve hit the nail on the head here. For some reason, I also find myself questioning whether she is just spouting regurgitated views, and if there is truly the depth of understanding and experience she suggests she has. In my opinion, she has never said anything that convinces me of her claims of authority on this subject.

[GoldHeart]

You’ve hit the nail on the head here. For some reason, I also find myself questioning whether she is just spouting regurgitated views, and if there is truly the depth of understanding and experience she suggests she has. In my opinion, she has never said anything that convinces me of her claims of authority on this subject.

Weirdly I think Nathan & Daze are the same,in the sense that ...neither will truly know the effect things have on society. They're both wrapped up in their own bubble.

[Garfie]

It must've been different where you lived then, because where I lived became a ghost town.

But then my area is very much like Nathan in being very pro-royals.

Not that I'm saying that there's anything wrong with being pro-royals.

I am sure it’s not your intention, but I’m beginning to feel you are treating me like a fool, who has no knowledge of anything outside that of my immediate environment.
I know a lot of people in different parts of the UK, I travel across the country a lot and I follow current affairs closely. There was also an immense amount of television and news coverage, and I can honestly say that I have never heard any other person suggest that any part of the country seemed as if it was in lockdown during the pandemic, in the days following the Queen’s passing.

Perhaps you selected the wrong choice of wording in saying it was as if the whole country was in ‘lockdown’ as that suggests people being very isolated, unable to leave their homes, unable to socialise with others and everything being closed, and it wasn’t anything like that. You also suggested it was the whole country, when perhaps it was just a small, rural area where you live, rather than the reality of the country in general.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Weirdly I think Nathan & Daze are the same,in the sense that ...neither will truly know the effect things have on society. They're both wrapped up in their own bubble.

Nathan has formed opinions

Daze has copied and pasted hers

[vesavius]

Nathan has formed opinions

Daze has copied and pasted hers

Daze is a classic case of just enough knowledge to be dangerous mixed with the arrogance of self-perceived purity and self-superiority.

It's then all piled on top of insular groupthink, because you know that the only time that she is exposed to new ideas or a different perspective is in a combative argument and never in a good faith relaxed discussion.

[Maru]

Great to read your post, as always, Maru, because you always make interesting and thought-provoking points.
Until the Queen’s death I always thought I could give all take the monarchy, but suddenly we lost someone and something that had been ever-present, and I personally experienced feelings of great insecurity and uncertainty. I felt as if I was on a little dinghy in the expanse of an ocean, without any land in sight. That opened up my mind to the sense of stability, strength and safety the presence of the monarchy gave me, as it is so deeply rooted in the history, traditions and culture of our country. It was then I realised that I needed it there as a continuing presence.

I also felt so very proud of the British people and how we responded as a country. We came together and were united as one entity. As a country, it allowed us to show the best of ourselves, our values and our characteristics as people.
In addition, it was so amazing and so very touching to see the impact that the Queen’s passing had around the world, and in countries that I would never have expected our monarchy to have any relevance, importance or respect. It felt global, and as if the world had also come together because of something so very British.

I will never forget President Macron saying something like ‘ To the British people, she was their Queen, but to the world she was the Queen’. It was one of many beautiful things said that stays with me and still makes me emotional even now. As a result I had to ask myself how could we, as a country, fail to see the value of our Royal Family?

I love Charles as a King, as he is so connected to the people, and demonstrates warmth, strength, affection and appreciation where ever he goes. I think he is wonderfully in touch with his emotions and his people.. I admire his values too, and can now recognise how far ahead of his time his thinking has always been. I see him almost as the Father of our country, and he has brought back that feeling of safety and security I thought was lost.

I can relate that we used to be able to generally to look forward to a peaceful transfer in power and the breath of fresh air that came with it. We haven't had that in a really long time. Unfortunately, there's now a lot of money in political strife. So instead peace must be a personalized mission one subscribes to in life... it's not going to be found in an elected better :laugh:

In that sense, I have some envy. There's no longer a Swamp Manager that can help direct us through the sociopolitical fray, but rather all have become actively swimmers with the middle managers in DC. I like that the Royals can leave well enough alone and seek pursuits that celebrate the best that the UK has to offer. I too followed along with the funeral procession, getting up early with my daughter. She was entranced by the parades and music, quite similar to how we were when I was of younger age watching the ceremonies in the UK in live television... it's an interesting to experience the effect of fast-forwarding through life in this way. So clearly meaningful to many here and across the world.

[GoldHeart]

Daze is a classic case of just knowledge to be dangerous mixed with the arrogance of self-perceived purity and self-superiority.

It's then all piled on top of insular groupthink, because you know that the only time that she is exposed to new ideas or a different perspective is in a combative argument and never in a good faith relaxed discussion.

I'm hoping we get to see more than the same type of argument over and over again, otherwise it will be boring . I don't think BB viewers want to see political debate 24/7 .

[vesavius]

I'm hoping we get to see more than the same type of argument over and over again, otherwise it will be boring . I don't think BB viewers want to see political debate 24/7 .

Fully agree, yeah.

I actually like a bit of politics but I don't really want it too much in my BB.

[Garfie]

Daze is a classic case of just knowledge to be dangerous mixed with the arrogance of self-perceived purity and self-superiority.

It's then all piled on top of insular groupthink, because you know that the only time that she is exposed to new ideas or a different perspective is in a combative argument and never in a good faith relaxed discussion.

This is such an effective and succinct summary of my perception of Daze and her actual experiences. Great post.

[Garfie]

I can relate that we used to be able to generally to look forward to a peaceful transfer in power and the breath of fresh air that came with it. We haven't had that in a really long time. Unfortunately, there's now a lot of money in political strife. So instead peace must be a personalized mission one subscribes to in life... it's not going to be found in an elected better :laugh:

In that sense, I have some envy. There's no longer a Swamp Manager that can help direct us through the sociopolitical fray, but rather all have become actively swimmers with the middle managers in DC. I like that the Royals can leave well enough alone and seek pursuits that celebrate the best that the UK has to offer. I too followed along with the funeral procession, getting up early with my daughter. She was entranced by the parades and music, quite similar to how we were when I was of younger age watching the ceremonies in the UK in live television... it's an interesting to experience the effect of fast-forwarding through life in this way. So clearly meaningful to many here and across the world.

I feel the sadness that I think you might have been experiencing as you wrote some of this, Maru. I follow US politics quite closely, and recognise how polarised it has made society. From the outside looking in, it seems that so many are being led by political candidates whose ideas are false presentations of the truth, whose speeches are based on criticising or attacking other candidates rather than promoting their own aims, and how people are voting according to personalities rather than policies.

Following Boris, I feel our own politics have moved in a somewhat similar way, and I personally feel we have been living in a state of political chaos for a number of years now too, and it certainly doesn’t make the country around us feel very stable.

I have come to realise and appreciate in recent years that the monarchy does create that sense of stability and continuity when many other situations in our own country, and around the world, seem chaotic. It is so long-standing and deep-rooted in our society, that it can feel almost like a safety net if all else goes wrong. As an adult, I have become aware of how much, in our youth and lack of experience, we can take for granted or dismiss things in life that are actually important and of value.

I’m so pleased that your daughter enjoyed the pageantry of British life and traditions, and that you were able to share that experience with her. Love that!

[Mystic Mock]

I would be happy to see Daze go next Friday

Not before Marcello.:bawling:

[Mystic Mock]

I am sure it’s not your intention, but I’m beginning to feel you are treating me like a fool, who has no knowledge of anything outside that of my immediate environment.
I know a lot of people in different parts of the UK, I travel across the country a lot and I follow current affairs closely. There was also an immense amount of television and news coverage, and I can honestly say that I have never heard any other person suggest that any part of the country seemed as if it was in lockdown during the pandemic, in the days following the Queen’s passing.

Perhaps you selected the wrong choice of wording in saying it was as if the whole country was in ‘lockdown’ as that suggests people being very isolated, unable to leave their homes, unable to socialise with others and everything being closed, and it wasn’t anything like that. You also suggested it was the whole country, when perhaps it was just a small, rural area where you live, rather than the reality of the country in general.

I'm not treating you like a fool, I try to treat every member with respect.

I'm just saying that when you can't access your local shops, go to Restaurants (because they're shut to pay their respects) and even if you choose to stay at home and try to watch TV, and again there's nothing really on because the Channels are either closed for the day, or again are covering the Queen's death, it doesn't exactly feel like you can escape the topic very easily if you don't want to think about it 24/7, which is similar to lockdown (whether anyone else wants to see it that way is up to them obviously, but it's how I saw it.)

And just to clarify, I do not object to paying my respects to any Royal passing away, but it's the borderline forcing people into a 24-48 hour mourning that bothered me about it.

And I know that I am not on my own in that thinking.

[Mystic Mock]

Nathan has formed opinions

Daze has copied and pasted hers

Nathan has opinions that you agree with.

I personally agree with GoldHeart that both can be naive with some of the arguments that they make against each other.

[fredmeneedle]

That, and they pay more in taxes than they receive from them.

I find that a ridiculous statement when they are almost fully funded from the taxpayer purse....

[fredmeneedle]

Nathan has formed opinions

Daze has copied and pasted hers

This is the perfect summary of the whole thread.

I am waiting for someone to ask Daze how she gets to the demos she attends.... unless it is by horse and cart her whole ethos is blown apart.

[Oliver_W]

I find that a ridiculous statement when they are almost fully funded from the taxpayer purse....

They have a lot of streams of income, which generate tax ... which is a higher amount than they cost.

[vesavius]

I find that a ridiculous statement when they are almost fully funded from the taxpayer purse....

Yes, but the taxpayer involved is for the most part the royals themselves. It is revenue from the Crown Estate properties from which the Sovereign Grant is drawn. The remaining money can easily be seen as a fair wage for the job that they do for the country.

The Sovereign Grant is 15% of the Crown Estate profits, the rest goes into the coffers.

The King ofc also receives an income from the Duchy of Lancaster, William from the Duchy of Cornwall.

The King and the rest pays tax on personal income.

I don't count the costs of maintaining properties such as Buckingham Palace towards the money paid to to the Royals as I, as someone that sees our history worth protecting, see that in the service of us all.

Now, there is an argument that the Royals should pay even more extra for their own security, but in an era where Taylor Swift gets that same level of blue light escort I think it's kind of undermined somewhat (not sure if she repaid those costs or not, but so in the end do the Royals).

In '23 Brand Finance found that the Monarchy delivered a £958 million economic benefit to the UK.

“Spread amongst the 67 million people of the United Kingdom, the recurring financial benefits of the Monarchy are estimated to be over £8.50 per person, per year, and the recurring costs are estimated to be approximately £5.50 per person, per year.”.. Though these numbers include costs such as maintenance of Buckingham palace, security, and the like, which as I said I don't personally include those in the costs of maintaining the Royals.

TL;DR: The Royal family is great value for money.

[HettyLip]

That ' I'll leave' move was gross.

Plus, who is she to say that she knows what's good for pensioners over them?

Arrogant and manipulative.

People saying 'it's a game', yes it is you are right, but you can tell a LOT about a person in how they choose to play a game. When they show you who they are, believe them.

Her position on climate change/global warmins is well presented. and sound.
What do you think caused last year;s UK heatwave and this years abundance of rain. What about the devastation and death toll caused by Hurrican Milton, what about rampaging wildfires all over the world and entire cimmunities
being flooded = remember New Orleans.?
If we continue to treat the planet with such irresponsible disdain, do not be surprised if the stupidity of so many precipitates a mass extinction event.
Sooner rather than later.

[vesavius]

Her position on climate change/global warmins is well presented. and sound.
What do you think caused last year;s UK heatwave and this years abundance of rain. What about the devastation and death toll caused by Hurrican Milton, what about rampaging wildfires all over the world and entire cimmunities
being flooded = remember New Orleans.?
If we continue to treat the planet with such irresponsible disdain, do not be surprised if the stupidity of so many precipitates a mass extinction event.
Sooner rather than later.

This is a big debate and far deeper than simplistic crusading doomsdayers like Daze acknowledge.

As a start though, in the spirit of finding common ground, I 100% agree we badly need a cleaner and kinder approach to the world that we live in.

I will also agree that the climate is changing.

But, no, I don't think that every natural disaster can be viewed as being the result of climate change and I think that the human element in that change is grossly misunderstood by most and over-exaggerated others.

As for her view on astroturf organisations such as Just Stop Oil and their divisive stunts... Well, I believe that they serve no positive purpose and actually turn more on-the-fence types against their claimed cause. Kind of like the actual harm Suffragettes did for the suffrage movement wth their extremist stunts.

Daze doesn't reach out to others in the spirit of communication.. She lectures and berates and relies on them knowing even less than she does or just not being willing to get into it with her. She makes forceful broad generalised claims but if you break them down there is nothing of substance there.

But, honestly, there is nothing 'well formed' in her views, not to someone actually aware of more than one side of the debate.

[Zizu]

Not before Marcello.:bawling:


Fingers crossed for a joint eviction !!

The producers may use it as damage limitation and get Marcello outa there

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[GoldHeart]

This is a big debate and far deeper than simplistic crusading doomsdayers like Daze acknowledge.

As a start though, in the spirit of finding common ground, I 100% agree we badly need a cleaner and kinder approach to the world that we live in.

I will also agree that the climate is changing.

But, no, I don't think that every natural disaster can be viewed as being the result of climate change and I think that the human element in that change is grossly misunderstood by most and over-exaggerated others.

As for her view on astroturf organisations such as Just Stop Oil and their divisive stunts... Well, I believe that they serve no positive purpose and actually turn more on-the-fence types against their claimed cause. Kind of like the actual harm Suffragettes did for the suffrage movement wth their extremist stunts.

Daze doesn't reach out to others in the spirit of communication.. She lectures and berates and relies on them knowing even less than she does or just not being willing to get into it with her. She makes forceful broad generalised claims but if you break them down there is nothing of substance there.

But, honestly, there is nothing 'well formed' in her views, not to someone actually aware of more than one side of the debate.

I wouldn't compare the suffragettes to the just stop oil clowns , I agree with some points you've made though .

Anyone who wanted to learn more about climate change and the dangers, will see some idiot throwing paint or glued to the road ...and be instantly turned off .

They remind me of those extreme vegans who usually get the most publicity ( it figures:rolleyes:) as they harass farmers and businesses ,whilst throwing dead pig head's and red paint everywhere. You will never get your point across when you're that forceful and combative.

So far the only one I've seen talk sense about the planet in a kinder way ,is David Attenborough Mr national treasure himself :love: .

[vesavius]

I wouldn't compare the suffragettes to the just stop oil clowns , I agree with some points you've made though .

Anyone who wanted to learn more about climate change and the dangers, will see some idiot throwing paint or glued to the road ...and be instantly turned off .

They remind me of those extreme vegans who usually get the most publicity ( it figures:rolleyes:) as they harass farmers and businesses ,whilst throwing dead pig head's and red paint everywhere. You will never get your point across when you're that forceful and combative.

So far the only one I've seen talk sense about the planet in a kinder way ,is David Attenborough Mr national Treasure himself :love: .

That's because the Suffragettes have been whitewashed and mythologised into something they were not by the activist hard left who love a bit of propaganda. There is a ton of contemporary evidence (letters, news articles & editorials, etc) that shows that they were radicals who actually alienated a lot of the general public against the suffrage movement at the time. The actual heavy lifting of the movement in the UK was done by many moderates, including several male members of parliament and, ofc, World War One which changed everything.

There were two main groups at that time; 'suffragists' who campaigned using peaceful methods such as lobbying, and the 'suffragettes'.

The Suffragists were the less glamorous less remembered moderates who nonetheless did most of the real work.

I know that isn't the version usually spoken about, but it's the truth. The real story of that time isn't one that is often accurately shown.

We do agree on everything else here though :)

[Benjamin]

Anyone gonna be sad if she goes tonight?

[GoldHeart]

Anyone gonna be sad if she goes tonight?

Yes !

I think once again she had a great HL show .

Out of all the cabinate members,Daze was the only one who gave a damn about how the other housemates are feeling ,she had actual empathy for them . And she didn't want to upset anyone.

Whereas Khaled just went along with Emma & Nathan, whilst just saying " yeah Izaaz is tired" . Khaled was enjoying the task more. I think he only slightly felt bad.

[Kate!]

Anyone gonna be sad if she goes tonight?

So so. I've just gave her a potential farewell in her fanclub thread, I'm pretty sure she's going.

[Adamw92]

Anyone gonna be sad if she goes tonight?

If it means Ali is safe I’ll get over it but I think it’ll be a shame we’ve lost either of them tonight while there are so many bores still in there.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I mean did you see the actual state of her friend on L and. Last night?

:umm2:

[smudgie]

Happy for her to go tonight.