Does Khaled have issues with women?

[Mystic Mock]

I'm not just saying this to be reactionary, it's just a few things that I have noticed about him over the last week, that makes me suspicious that he might have issues with women.

1. He accused Hanah of being aggressive just because she dared to express an opinion.

2. He clashed with Hanah over the shopping list.

3. He has clashed with Ali.

4. He has nominated Ali, Lily, and now Martha.

All of his arguments and nominations have been women.

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying that Khaled is an evil monster that needs to be vanquished, but I do believe that he might have issues with women.

What do you guys think?

[GlitterUK]

I don't think he has issues with women at all. I think he just gets on well with the guys in the house so didn't nominate them.

The issue with Hanah was squashed quickly
Didn't see the shopping list clash so cannot comment
I would say Ali clashed with him, he just stood his ground.
Dean, Segun, Thomas etc have also nominated two females.

[Maru]

He said that he doesn't have friendships with women in his actual life and that the house was the first chance for him to form friendships with women. Take of that what you will... I don't think he's shown enough for me to identify it being a problem either way. The most I'd say at this point he's trying way too hard to be nice and leaving himself open to more drama.

Consider too, two of the people you've listed who are nominated, he understandably doesn't have good relations with at this point and that may be of no fault of his own (they don't gel). With Martha, I forgot the reason he actually nominated her. It didn't seem like Martha was besties or anything with him in the house, anyway.

I don't think the men have done much to cross anyone, (except Marcello) and nobody has given the impression that they impact the house dynamic in a negative way. Most of them have been boring and it's mainly been the women driving the house... so it's just that fact that they're all women at this point being put up, I think ....

[Mystic Mock]

I don't think he has issues with women at all. I think he just gets on well with the guys in the house so didn't nominate them.

The issue with Hanah was squashed quickly
Didn't see the shopping list clash so cannot comment
I would say Ali clashed with him, he just stood his ground.
Dean, Segun, Thomas etc have also nominated two females.

God, Thomas is so boring that I didn't even notice.:laugh:

[GlitterUK]

I still think Tom is being edited unfairly. I think first night he showed a fun side, Ryan disliked him but we haven't seen why really. Why are they not showing the banter...

[Lister of Smeg]

Big up Khaled for standing in solidarity with the brothers in these difficult times :smug:.

[Zizu]

He said that he doesn't have friendships with women in his actual life and that the house was the first chance for him to form friendships with women. Take of that what you will... ..


I heard him say to Sarah ( I think) that no women ever make him a meal or a drink like currently happens in the BB house !?!

Maybe its that kind of viewpoint that has alienated him from so many of the women in there ??

He’s clearly not used to being around women and doesn’t act or interact normally around them ?


Like I said we are only seeing a tiny , tiny snapshot of BB life .


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[GoldHeart]

I never saw a clash over the shopping :conf: .

The other issue with Hannah seemed to be resolved.

The problem with Ali is Ali's own doing,so not Khaled's fault.

I don't think he has an issue with women as such ,I think he only put martha up as he knows she'll be safe and he's bonded the least with her .

He seems to get on fine with Hannah now , and he seems cool with Rosie aswell.

[Niamh.]

I don't know but I think saying he clashed with Ali is unfair as that was all her doing and people clash with the shopping lists all the time I wouldn't have that on the list either

[Crimson Dynamo]

He accused Hanah of being aggressive just because she dared to express an opinion.



She did and she did it in a rather aggressive manner, efing and jeffing


all your other points


no


Has he been mercilessly picked on by a woman?

yes

[Ammi]

…I’m not sure but the aggie thing with Hanah is something that’s still slightly niggling…that he didn’t like/agree with what she said and then maybe didn’t appreciate her passion and tried to gaslight it as something else…I’m not saying that’s how it is/was but it’s how it could be interpreted so I’m staying open with him…does he see females as equals to males…?..I really don’t know but the thing with BB is just judging on what we do see…

[vesavius]

I'm not just saying this to be reactionary, it's just a few things that I have noticed about him over the last week, that makes me suspicious that he might have issues with women.

1. He accused Hanah of being aggressive just because she dared to express an opinion.

2. He clashed with Hanah over the shopping list.

3. He has clashed with Ali.

4. He has nominated Ali, Lily, and now Martha.

All of his arguments and nominations have been women.

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying that Khaled is an evil monster that needs to be vanquished, but I do believe that he might have issues with women.

What do you guys think?

No, I do not think he has an issue with women at all.

In fact, I think him nomming Ali and Lily is 100% understandable.

He has been attacked and criticised constantly by Ali and Lily is her sidekick. I don't think it's fair for implying that his issue with her is because she is female when he has been her target multiple times. In fact, i would say that Ali has a misandric streak, not the other way around.

TBF, Hanah did get worked up and that caused him to say that. She called it 'being passionate' but you can understand how that would come across to a stranger as aggressive. And the shopping list is always a flashpoint.

In the end, generally speaking the women in the house are the stronger personalities right now, with the men only just starting to wake up as they realise that being passive is just making them easy targets. It's no wonder they are getting more noms.

[Beso]

I heard him say to Sarah ( I think) that no women ever make him a meal or a drink like currently happens in the BB house !?!

Maybe its that kind of viewpoint that has alienated him from so many of the women in there ??

He’s clearly not used to being around women and doesn’t act or interact normally around them ?


Like I said we are only seeing a tiny , tiny snapshot of BB life .


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If you are basing your opinion on him due to him saying no women makes him tea on the outside, you need to know he actually said nobody makes him tea on the outside, even going on to say hiw silly it sounds to him if his friends said come round for tea.

[Garfie]

No, I do not think he has an issue with women at all.

In fact, I think him nomming Ali and Lily is 100% understandable.

He has been attacked and criticised constantly by Ali and Lily is her sidekick. I don't think it's fair for implying that his issue with her is because she is female when he has been her target multiple times. In fact, i would say that Ali has a misandric streak, not the other way around.

TBF, Hanah did get worked up and that caused him to say that. She called it 'being passionate' but you can understand how that would come across to a stranger as aggressive. And the shopping list is always a flashpoint.

In the end, generally speaking the women in the house are the stronger personalities right now, with the men only just starting to wake up as they realise that being passive is just making them easy targets. It's no wonder they are getting more noms.

I think this is a very fair evaluation of the whole situation. My feeling is that Khaled is a decent guy, who is trying his best to navigate new people and a new situation as thoughtfully and kindly as he can. That doesn’t make him a bad person - it means he is trying to show consideration for others. They have only known each other for a week, and don’t we all try our best when we first meet people. He doesn’t deserved to be vilified for that, as it’s coming from a positive place,

I personally feel Khaled has been the victim of some character assassination in the house, without it being justified. He is, quite unfairly in my opinion, being painted as if he is the worst person in the world, and now everything he does and says is being interpreted and jumped on as if it is somehow denotes some villainous intent.

That makes me feel uncomfortable, and saddened, as no-one deserves to be treated in that way.

[Crimson Dynamo]

As Will said on L &L last night

You can now get criticised for being Nice?

:umm2:

[Niamh.]

As Will said on L &L last night

You can now get criticised for being Nice?

:umm2:

Yes, i don't get this at all. Someone in another thread said something like oh Ali was right because he said he'd bite back harder if she came for him again (or words to that effect) how does that prove her point? Like "oh look see he's not nice after all" wtf? She's a psychologist, surely she knows people aren't just one way, surely being nice should be the default around people you don't know well until you have a reason not to be nice?

[rusticgal]

As Will said on L &L last night

You can now get criticised for being Nice?

:umm2:


Unfortunately in Ali's eyes if you are 'nice' then you are fake....which kind of says a lot about her.

[Vanessa]

No. He's been nothing but nice?

[vesavius]

Yes, i don't get this at all. Someone in another thread said something like oh Ali was right because he said he'd bite back harder if she came for him again (or words to that effect) how does that prove her point? Like "oh look see he's not nice after all" wtf? She's a psychologist, surely she knows people aren't just one way, surely being nice should be the default around people you don't know well until you have a reason not to be nice?

If he eventually reacts to her provocation and attacks and snaps back that will be him showing his 'true colours' and be used against him :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Niamh.]

If he eventually reacts to her provocation and attacks and snaps back that will be him showing his 'true colours' and be used against him :rolleyes::rolleyes:

It's a bad take from someone who should know better, we all have different sides to us according to what going on around us

[Zizu]

If you are basing your opinion on him due to him saying no women makes him tea on the outside, you need to know he actually said nobody makes him tea on the outside, even going on to say hiw silly it sounds to him if his friends said come round for tea.



I am not ..


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[Zizu]

It's a bad take from someone who should know better, we all have different sides to us according to what going on around us


So why dont people in here apply that rule to Ali … ( especially given her issues)


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[Zizu]

No. He's been nothing but nice?


… from the few minutes we see .. when he’s on his best behaviour ..


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[Adamw92]

As Will said on L &L last night

You can now get criticised for being Nice?

:umm2:

When it’s performative, yes you can.

[vesavius]

When it’s performative, yes you can.

Ali, is that you?

[Adamw92]

Ali, is that you?

Yes, hello :wavey:

[Liam-]

When it’s performative, yes you can.

Yep

[Niamh.]

So why dont people in here apply that rule to Ali … ( especially given her issues)


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Because Ali totally unprovoked came for Khaled, Khaled is simply reacting to someone attacking his character for being "nice"

[Adamw92]

Yep

Ah… another person who sees through the mr nice guy act, nice to see! :love:

[vesavius]

The truth is that someone nice being called 'performative' is really just a way that some people try and drag them down.

Look, some people are just nice. Khaled has explained clearly that he simply reflects back what he is given and the reason he has been nice is because people have been nice to him. The refusal to understand that could point to deeper issues.

I feel that some don't want to believe a person can be just be nice is because they don't feel that within themselves so they struggle to understand how others can.

Let's normalise respect, compassion, and kindness.

[Niamh.]

The truth is that someone nice being called 'performative' is really just a way that some people try and drag them down.

Look, some people are just nice. Khaled has explained clearly that he simply reflects back what he is given and the reason he has been nice is because people have been nice to him. The refusal to understand that could point to deeper issues.

I feel that some don't want to believe a person can be just be nice is because they don't feel that within themselves so they struggle to understand how others can.

Let's normalise respect, compassion, and kindness.

Exactly, most people are nice as a default to people they don't know very well, why wouldn't you be unless people weren't being nice to you?

[Beso]

Feminist picks on Muslim man.

[Crimson Dynamo]

and NO other housemate has ever mentioned Khaled save Ali

[GoldHeart]

Ali, is that you?

:joker:

[Glenn.]

Let’s be real, Ali definitely had a point with him being false. The way he switched when he was chosen to be HoH was hilarious. Don’t act like you don’t want it after spending hours trying to win it.

He doesn’t like it that she’s worked him out and she’s messing his game up.

[GoldHeart]

Let’s be real, Ali definitely had a point with him being false. The way he switched when he was chosen to be HoH was hilarious. Don’t act like you don’t want it after spending hours trying to win it.

He doesn’t like it that she’s worked him out and she’s messing his game up.

Did we watch the same show ?. The HOH is a poisonous chalice, the only good thing was that he got immunity. It clearly was difficult for him to be put in the position. And no matter what decision he made .... people like Ali would still come for him & belittle him. The mask has well and truly fallen off Ali's face , she's exposed...so now it's operation ' please feel sorry for me' ,by her threatening to leave :notimpressed: . She's 38 ...and Khaled acts more mature than her ,and he's 23.

[bots]

it becomes chicken and egg very quickly and Khalid is very good at digging up previous interactions and using that as an excuse to be an ass as often as he wants. The guy is an ass

[vesavius]

it becomes chicken and egg very quickly and Khalid is very good at digging up previous interactions and using that as an excuse to be an ass as often as he wants. The guy is an ass

He is simultaneously too nice to be true and also an 'utter ass'.

That's quite a feat.

[vesavius]

Did we watch the same show ?. The HOH is a poisonous chalice, the only good thing was that he got immunity. It clearly was difficult for him to be put in the position. And no matter what decision he made .... people like Ali would still come for him & belittle him. The mask has well and truly fallen off Ali's face , she's exposed...so now it's operation ' please feel sorry for me' ,by her threatening to leave :notimpressed: . She's 38 ...and Khaled acts more mature than her ,and he's 23.

Spot on.

[Glenn.]

I wasn't even talking about nominations.

[Glenn.]

That was a load of crap too. He was talking about making it fair and not wanting to mess with the houses decision so put up Martha who I don’t think anyone even nominated.

Don’t put someone up then dismiss it like you’re trying to play fair when it’s not fair. Just own it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Did we watch the same show ?. The HOH is a poisonous chalice, the only good thing was that he got immunity. It clearly was difficult for him to be put in the position. And no matter what decision he made .... people like Ali would still come for him & belittle him. The mask has well and truly fallen off Ali's face , she's exposed...so now it's operation ' please feel sorry for me' ,by her threatening to leave :notimpressed: . She's 38 ...and Khaled acts more mature than her ,and he's 23.

:clap1:

[Beso]

That was a load of crap too. He was talking about making it fair and not wanting to mess with the houses decision so put up Martha who I don’t think anyone even nominated.

Don’t put someone up then dismiss it like you’re trying to play fair when it’s not fair. Just own it.

Now you've missed out a lot if important information to make your point believable.

Such as, he took everyone who was up for eviction off the list, then everyone who spent all the time in storage, he then narrowed the ones who were left down to who he gets on with the best and took them off the list...unfortunately that was then left with Martha.

The only way kahled could be faulted as HOH, us if he had the option to pick neither option, which I've been informed was not an option.

I dont, and will never see how he can be slated for doing it the way he did.:shrug:

[GoldHeart]

Now you've missed out a lot if important information to make your point believable.

Such as, he took everyone who was up for eviction off the list, then everyone who spent all the time in storage, he then narrowed the ones who were left down to who he gets on with the best and took them off the list...unfortunately that was then left with Martha.

The only way kahled could be faulted as HOH, us if he had the option to pick neither option, which I've been informed was not an option.

I dont, and will never see how he can be slated for doing it the way he did.:shrug:

Exactly

Imagine the uproar if he saved & replaced, Ali would have steam coming out her ears...as she still accuses him of " trying to get rid of a housemate" , i think he made the best choice out of a awkward position.

[bots]

The reason he didn't do save and replace was because he was happy with who was already up. To suggest that he wouldn't have used it if there was someone there he wanted to save is ridiculous. It's a game, that they are all playing :laugh:

[Niamh.]

The reason he didn't do save and replace was because he was happy with who was already up. To suggest that he wouldn't have used it if there was someone there he wanted to save is ridiculous. It's a game, that they are all playing :laugh:

That's definitely true. :hehe:

[joeysteele]

I'm not just saying this to be reactionary, it's just a few things that I have noticed about him over the last week, that makes me suspicious that he might have issues with women.

1. He accused Hanah of being aggressive just because she dared to express an opinion.

2. He clashed with Hanah over the shopping list.

3. He has clashed with Ali.

4. He has nominated Ali, Lily, and now Martha.

All of his arguments and nominations have been women.

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying that Khaled is an evil monster that needs to be vanquished, but I do believe that he might have issues with women.

What do you guys think?

I don't know Mock.

I don't think we are possibly seeing the real Khalid or what he really thinks.
It's possible you're on to something.

It does seem to me, he thinks more about what will look good outside to expressing his real thoughts.

Plus it was always going to be another female he put up for eviction.
I THINK had Ali not been up, and one of the guys up.
He'd have chosen save and replace, saved the guy and understandably put Ali in his place.
Equally if she had been up but one of the guys instead of Daze or Lily.
He'd have still saved the guy and put another female up.

I just don't know what to make of him as I'm not sure we're seeing the real Khaled at all.

[GoldHeart]

The reason he didn't do save and replace was because he was happy with who was already up. To suggest that he wouldn't have used it if there was someone there he wanted to save is ridiculous. It's a game, that they are all playing :laugh:

Him and every housemate I agree ... it's a game after all, but it's got me thinking,If Izaaz was up for eviction ,he likely would have saved him and replaced him with someone else. But I'm glad that didn't happen,as it seems Izaaz is distancing himself from Khaled anyway, I think Isaaz is more bothered about staying on everyone's good side at the expense of losing his friendship with Khaled.

[Zizu]

Did we watch the same show ?. The HOH is a poisonous chalice, the only good thing was that he got immunity. It clearly was difficult for him to be put in the position. And no matter what decision he made .... people like Ali would still come for him & belittle him. The mask has well and truly fallen off Ali's face , she's exposed...so now it's operation ' please feel sorry for me' ,by her threatening to leave :notimpressed: . She's 38 ...and Khaled acts more mature than her ,and he's 23.


“ the ONLY good thing he won was immunity “


That is THE single most valuable prize ffs


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[Zizu]

Because Ali totally unprovoked came for Khaled, Khaled is simply reacting to someone attacking his character for being "nice"


We can’t say unprovoked as we haven’t seen EVERYTHING that went on leading up to the original incident


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[GoldHeart]

“ the ONLY good thing he won was immunity “


That is THE single most valuable prize ffs


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Yes and at what COST! , like I said it's a awkward position BB put him in .

[Niamh.]

We can’t say unprovoked as we haven’t seen EVERYTHING that went on leading up to the original incident


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How could he possibly have provoked her by being too nice? :laugh:

[Adamw92]

The truth is that someone nice being called 'performative' is really just a way that some people try and drag them down.

Look, some people are just nice. Khaled has explained clearly that he simply reflects back what he is given and the reason he has been nice is because people have been nice to him. The refusal to understand that could point to deeper issues.

I feel that some don't want to believe a person can be just be nice is because they don't feel that within themselves so they struggle to understand how others can.

Let's normalise respect, compassion, and kindness.

Or… people just don’t believe it? It’s almost as if people have faked being nice before or something. Just because you believe it doesn’t mean others have to.

[vesavius]

Or… people just don’t believe it? It’s almost as if people have faked being nice before or something. Just because you believe it doesn’t mean others have to.

I am sorry that you saw yourself in my comment.

It wasn't directed at anyone here particularly.

[Adamw92]

I am sorry that you saw yourself in my comment.

It wasn't directed at anyone here particularly.

Not so much that I felt it was directed at me. It felt more like you were generalising it when sometimes people just don’t agree, people are entitled to believe he’s performative whether you think he is or not.

[vesavius]

Not so much that I felt it was directed at me. It felt more like you were generalising it when sometimes people just don’t agree, people are entitled to believe he’s performative whether you think he is or not.

Of course I was generalising... I don't have time to specifically address every BB fan individually so I tend to generalise.

But, I did not say all... Pay attention to the words in bold...

"Look, some people are just nice. Khaled has explained clearly that he simply reflects back what he is given and the reason he has been nice is because people have been nice to him. The refusal to understand that could point to deeper issues.

I feel that some don't want to believe a person can be just be nice is because they don't feel that within themselves so they struggle to understand how others can."

Those words mean not all.

Look, 'people' are entitled to believe whatever you choose, ofc, no argument there. I was simply giving my opinion of the IMO likely motivation behind that stated belief.

If someone sees themselves in this then.. Well...

[Zizu]

The truth is that someone nice being called 'performative' is really just a way that some people try and drag them down.

Look, some people are just nice. Khaled has explained clearly that he simply reflects back what he is given and the reason he has been nice is because people have been nice to him. The refusal to understand that could point to deeper issues.

I feel that some don't want to believe a person can be just be nice is because they don't feel that within themselves so they struggle to understand how others can.

Let's normalise respect, compassion, and kindness.


He has admitted that he’s been putting on fake smiles for the cameras ..


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[Adamw92]

Of course I was generalising... I don't have time to specifically address every BB fan individually so I tend to generalise.

But, I did not say all... Pay attention to the words in bold...

"Look, some people are just nice. Khaled has explained clearly that he simply reflects back what he is given and the reason he has been nice is because people have been nice to him. The refusal to understand that could point to deeper issues.

I feel that some don't want to believe a person can be just be nice is because they don't feel that within themselves so they struggle to understand how others can."

Those words mean not all.

Look, 'people' are entitled to believe whatever you choose, ofc, no argument there. I was simply giving my opinion of the IMO likely motivation behind that stated belief.

If someone sees themselves in this then.. Well...

That’s fine, then. Just thought the wording of you saying Khaled defending himself and then saying people refusing to “understand” his reasoning was poor imo. It’s not about people not understanding, it’s about people not believing it’s genuine. Maybe he is genuine but I don’t think it comes across that way and I’ve been a fan of plenty of “nice” housemates over the years, it’s got nothing to do with me or any other member on here as people having “deeper issues”.

That comes across like you psychoanalysing people which is something plenty of people on here are bitching about Ali doing to Khaled and/or other housemates. :shrug:

[vesavius]

That’s fine, then. Just thought the wording of you saying Khaled defending himself and then saying people refusing to “understand” his reasoning was poor imo. It’s not about people not understanding, it’s about people not believing it’s genuine. Maybe he is genuine but I don’t think it comes across that way and I’ve been a fan of plenty of “nice” housemates over the years, it’s got nothing to do with me or any other member on here as people having “deeper issues”.

That comes across like you psychoanalysing people which is something plenty of people on here are bitching about Ali doing to Khaled and/or other housemates. :shrug:

We all 'psychoanalyse' the HMs here daily. You have been around long enough to understand that. Or is it just a problem suddenly here?

You are literally doing it here though. By calling him a faker you are doing it.

As I said, I clearly said that my comment was not in regards to anyone on this forum. It's a huge BB world out there, there is no need to personalise my observations on the wider fandom. I didn't even know about you when I wrote it.

Gosh, this is hard work and I wonder what we are really achieving except sniping at each other.

Can we draw a line under it, or is there more to come?

[Adamw92]

We all 'psychoanalyze' the HMs here daily. You have been around long enough to understand that. Or is it just a problem suddenly here?

You are literally doing it here though. By calling him a faker you are doing it.

As I said, I didn't say my comment was not in regards to anyone on this forum. It's a huge BB world out there, there is no need to personalise my observations on the wider fandom. I didn't even know about you when I wrote it.

Gosh, this is hard work and I wonder what we are really achieving except sniping at each other.

Can we draw a line under it, or is there more to come?

I’m not pretending that I’m not psychoanalysing him though?? We absolutely can draw a line under it cause we’re never going to agree on this subject and that’s fine, I’m not going to hold it against you that you have a different opinion, I just wanted to voice my opinion just as you did.

[vesavius]

I’m not pretending that I’m not psychoanalysing him though?? We absolutely can draw a line under it cause we’re never going to agree on this subject and that’s fine, I’m not going to hold it against you that you have a different opinion, I just wanted to voice my opinion just as you did.


Nor am I. Nor is anyone.

Good. Moving on.

[vesavius]

He has admitted that he’s been putting on fake smiles for the cameras ..


They have all done that.

If anything, saying that out loud probably makes him one of the less fake ones in there because others would deny it.

[GoldHeart]

They have all done that.

If anything, saying that out loud probably makes him one of the less fake ones in there because others would deny it.

Very good point

Plus there's such a thing as people putting on a brave face .

[vesavius]

Very good point

Plus there's such a thing as people putting on a brave face .

Get Martha to admit that her constructed jolly big girl persona is fake. Let's see if she is willing to do that, right?

And yep there is.

[Zizu]

How could he possibly have provoked her by being too nice? :laugh:


…. Pretending to be nice …

My point was that you/we can’t say her actions were unprovoked as we have no way of knowing what had gone on between two people leading up to the incident .


You could claim it was ‘seemingly’ unprovoked


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[Zizu]

They have all done that.

If anything, saying that out loud probably makes him one of the less fake ones in there because others would deny it.


LOL


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[HettyLip]

I'm not just saying this to be reactionary, it's just a few things that I have noticed about him over the last week, that makes me suspicious that he might have issues with women.

1. He accused Hanah of being aggressive just because she dared to express an opinion.

2. He clashed with Hanah over the shopping list.

3. He has clashed with Ali.

4. He has nominated Ali, Lily, and now Martha.

All of his arguments and nominations have been women.

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying that Khaled is an evil monster that needs to be vanquished, but I do believe that he might have issues with women.

What do you guys think?

By all means, do say that he is ... well, not a monster, but most assuredly a profoundly unpleasant and insincere specimen of the lumpenproletariat,
to whom the notions of moral progress, detente and co-operation are alien.
His issues are not confined to women, he bestows them on anyone he perceives as a thread, which - where morals and integrity are concerned - is pretty much everyone else in the house, including Nathan (whom someone either on BB or on this board called "posh" - well, he is about as posh as a re- animated cadaver gnashing on its tibia).
You'd have to be pretty dense to fall for Khaled's spiel. He is a handsome young man, and that's about it. His leprous personality reflects an amalgam of envy, bitterness, profound intellectual dishonesty, resentment and an opprtunism to use the misfortune of his youth, the strictures of his religion, the inability to compete with Ali or Daze where honest discourse is concerned.
In short, he is about as nice as Vladimir Putin, Ali Khameini, Donald Trump, Xi Jinping, Viktor Orban, Benjamin Netanyahu and the Farage creature.
He is a vacuum awaiting a bile delivery.
An equally unflattering post of mine about Khaled placed yesterdauy never attained published post status.
I wonder.

[HettyLip]

Or….
The truth is that someone nice being called 'performative' is really just a way that some people try and drag them down. .

Wnat an absurd assertion.
Do, pray, substantiate your claim that calling someone performative is to try to drag them down.
To where?
The gutter where they already reside?
What if the person accused of being perfomative is, in fact, performative?
What about the gravitas of the person who issues what you present as a slur?
Surely that must be born in mind?
What if it is the truth?
If an elephant tells says to a mouse "my, but you are tiny" the elephant is stating the obvious. Is it dragging the mouse down?
What if calling someone performative is stating the obvious, is that dragging
the performer down or is it simply saying it as it is.
I saw Khaled last night giving the performance of his life in his den in the bowels of BB, when he whined the equivalent of "Woe is me" at the power to manipulate the nominations so unwisely lavished on him by BB.
The wretch enjoyed every minute of it.
He is truly despicable -------- and a very, very poor performer.

[Adamw92]

Wnat an absurd assertion.
Do, pray, substantiate your claim that calling someone performative is to try to drag them down.
To where?
The gutter where they already reside?
What if the person accused of being perfomative is, in fact, performative?
What about the gravitas of the person who issues what you present as a slur?
Surely that must be born in mind?
What if it is the truth?
If an elephant tells says to a mouse "my, but you are tiny" the elephant is stating the obvious. Is it dragging the mouse down?
What if calling someone performative is stating the obvious, is that dragging
the performer down or is it simply saying it as it is.
I saw Khaled last night giving the performance of his life in his den in the bowels of BB, when he whined the equivalent of "Woe is me" at the power to manipulate the nominations so unwisely lavished on him by BB.
The wretch enjoyed every minute of it.
He is truly despicable -------- and a very, very poor performer.

Were you meant to quote me specifically on this because you’ve changed what I actually said? But it seems like you actually agree with me that he’s performative? :conf3: :laugh:

[HettyLip]

Were you meant to quote me specifically on this because you’ve changed what I actually said? But it seems like you actually agree with me that he’s performative? :conf3: :laugh:

You may well be right, in which case I owe you an apology.
The wretch in question is, indeed, a performer, albeit a poor
one. Even as a louse he is third-rate.

[Zizu]

Wnat an absurd assertion.
Do, pray, substantiate your claim that calling someone performative is to try to drag them down.
To where?
The gutter where they already reside?
What if the person accused of being perfomative is, in fact, performative?
What about the gravitas of the person who issues what you present as a slur?
Surely that must be born in mind?
What if it is the truth?
If an elephant tells says to a mouse "my, but you are tiny" the elephant is stating the obvious. Is it dragging the mouse down?
What if calling someone performative is stating the obvious, is that dragging
the performer down or is it simply saying it as it is.
I saw Khaled last night giving the performance of his life in his den in the bowels of BB, when he whined the equivalent of "Woe is me" at the power to manipulate the nominations so unwisely lavished on him by BB.
The wretch enjoyed every minute of it.
He is truly despicable -------- and a very, very poor performer.


Hallelujah. !


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[Conzors]

I don’t think he has issues with women but he obviously values the ladsladslads mantra even if the boys are boringggggg

[Garfie]

The truth is that someone nice being called 'performative' is really just a way that some people try and drag them down.

Look, some people are just nice. Khaled has explained clearly that he simply reflects back what he is given and the reason he has been nice is because people have been nice to him. The refusal to understand that could point to deeper issues.

I feel that some don't want to believe a person can be just be nice is because they don't feel that within themselves so they struggle to understand how others can.

Let's normalise respect, compassion, and kindness.

Great post, vesavius. Your last sentence is wise advice.

[Zizu]

Let's normalise respect, compassion, and kindness.


How about adding forgiveness and compassion ?

Ali isn’t a criminal fgs


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[Mystic Mock]

As Will said on L &L last night

You can now get criticised for being Nice?

:umm2:

I do think that there's something off about Khaled.

His not my worst Housemate in there, and I am sure that he is overall a decent guy, but I do think that there's more to him than he is showing so far.

And I don't believe that he is the only one tbf.

And I do agree about Ali having a bit of Misandry to her logic around the men vesavius

[vesavius]

How about adding forgiveness and compassion ?

Ali isn’t a criminal fgs

lol, let's not get overly dramatic. No one said she was a criminal. :laugh:

[GlitterUK]

I think Khaled has been compassionate and forgiving towards Ali. When she said she was about to walk you could clearly see he was upset by that.

[Mystic Mock]

I don't know Mock.

I don't think we are possibly seeing the real Khalid or what he really thinks.
It's possible you're on to something.

It does seem to me, he thinks more about what will look good outside to expressing his real thoughts.

Plus it was always going to be another female he put up for eviction.
I THINK had Ali not been up, and one of the guys up.
He'd have chosen save and replace, saved the guy and understandably put Ali in his place.
Equally if she had been up but one of the guys instead of Daze or Lily.
He'd have still saved the guy and put another female up.

I just don't know what to make of him as I'm not sure we're seeing the real Khaled at all.

I understand your view tbh Joey.

And I agree with you that he definitely would've chosen save and replace if one of his bro's were up.

[Mystic Mock]

How about adding forgiveness and compassion ?

Ali isn’t a criminal fgs


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I mean she is a feminist.:hehe:

[Zizu]

I think Khaled has been compassionate and forgiving towards Ali. When she said she was about to walk you could clearly see he was upset by that.


Yet when Ali clearly offered the olive branch Khaled rejected her suggestion saying it would be disingenuous ..

You just skirt over things like that..


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[Garfie]

That was a load of crap too. He was talking about making it fair and not wanting to mess with the houses decision so put up Martha who I don’t think anyone even nominated.

Don’t put someone up then dismiss it like you’re trying to play fair when it’s not fair. Just own it.

The truth is though, he was in a lose/lose situation, and neither of his options were good. He didn’t choose to put an extra housemate up for eviction - he was forced into doing it as part of a task. How can he play fair when the task he had been given to do was never going to be fair? Whoever he nominated was going to be upset, so he couldn’t win! He was put in an impossible position.

He clearly explained the very logical process he had gone through to show how he had come to his decision - there are 15 housemates, so after taking away those who were already nominated or immune, he was left with 11 to choose from. He wanted to avoid those who were up for eviction the previous week, so that removed another 3 housemates, leaving him with 8 to choose between. He chose to take into account those who had spent the most time in storage, so that probably eliminated another 3 or 4 housemates, leaving him 4 or 5 to choose from. He then wanted to save the people he was closest to, so let’s that was 3 or 4. After that he would only have been left with 1 or 2 people, and obviously Martha was amongst those last few. He wasn’t aware of the fact she’d had no nominations, as he was only informed of the 3 who were up for eviction.

The process showed he had been considerate and had tried to do it as fairly and logically as possible. He did then add he thought it was fair, but that came across as if he was referring to how he had come about his decision, rather than the fact that Martha was up for eviction.

If you feel he was so unfair, how would you have made the decision, what would have been your thought process, and what choice do you feel would have been fairer?

[Zizu]

I have said before that I felt Khaled did really well in his task .. his way of selecting Martha and his reasoning was excellent


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[Benjamin]

That was a load of crap too. He was talking about making it fair and not wanting to mess with the houses decision so put up Martha who I don’t think anyone even nominated.

Don’t put someone up then dismiss it like you’re trying to play fair when it’s not fair. Just own it.

He was caught in a tough position though. Regardless of which option he chose he would have had to put someone up.

I think he was trying to be as fair as possible (in a lose/lose situation). He probs could have handled it better by saying to Martha when she’s ready to talk they’ll have a private discussion as to why he chose her, instead of announcing it publicly but BB wanted a reason to be announced so he had to say it out loud to everyone.

[vesavius]

I mean she is a feminist.:hehe:

:joker::joker::joker:

[Garfie]

I have said before that I felt Khaled did really well in his task .. his way of selecting Martha and his reasoning was excellent


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Yes, I absolutely agree, and in my opinion, the process he went through showed consideration, and was the fairest available to him. He did the best he could in a difficult situation not of his making. I felt he showed logic, clarity and maturity in his handling of the situation, and I’m finding hard to see why he is getting so much hatred.

[Vanessa]

No. He's a lovely guy and has shown caring and mature qualities. Can't wait to see him on the new task.

[Beso]

I have said before that I felt Khaled did really well in his task .. his way of selecting Martha and his reasoning was excellent


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It was far more mature than Ali picking Kahleds closest friend to punish him during nominations.

[Zizu]

It was far more mature than Ali picking Kahleds closest friend to punish him during nominations.


Who did she pick !?


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[Beso]

Who did she pick !?


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His closest friend..you should know who that is.

[Beso]

No he dont have issues with women, but he may now after a week of Ali.

[GoldHeart]

Khaled once again tried to speak,and Ali basically shut him down. That conversation was like hitting a brick wall. She says she doesn't want to argue,yet continues to argue and complain. She's a walking contradiction.

And like I've said before,she had no intention of going home. She just wanted to guilt trip Khaled . And she wanted the housemates to fuss over her , her behaviour was basically 'don't look at me but please look at me '.

She's narcissistic and she's loving that Izaaz wants to stay on her good side. Her little comment about " a child in the middle of divorced parents " said it all. She likes the effect and control she thinks she has on the house.