Ali drives me up the wall... That exchange with Khaled last night was maddening

[vesavius]

Her constant ascribing motives or reasons of her own invention to the guy is beyond irritating.

"attacking him for no reason, it's not fair"... 100% agree. Well done Marcello for standing in a house full of whining 'neutrals'.

She is being an utter asshole and from behind a shield of fake virtue and fake superiority. Her constant lecturing and berating this guy on how she thinks he must act in order to satisfy her expectations is so annoying.

Honestly, Ali has so many deep issues that she needs to work out. Physician, heal thyself.

Well done Khaled for handling her so well, because it isn't easy to deal with someone that has the ability to stay stone cold calm in an argument about personality traits.

[Vanessa]

I have to agree. I find myself going off quite a few people that I initially liked. Ali, I think she's interesting but I don't like the way she went off on Khaled.
Lily, still a great housemate but with questionable hygiene habits.

[Kate!]

Well. Love her or dislike her, she's unquestionably a good housemate and should stay. She's got everyone talking.

Much preferable to me over the house invisibles that are Thomas and Segun. Snoozeville.

[Vanessa]

Well. Love her or dislike her, she's unquestionably a good housemate and should stay. She's got everyone talking.

Much preferable to me over the house invisibles that are Thomas and Segun. Snoozeville.

Ah definitely. Would love to see more of Thomas actually, but don't like Segun at all.

[Kate!]

Ah definitely. Would love to see more of Thomas actually, but don't like Segun at all.

Oh same Ness. I think Thomas has time yet to emerge from his shell.

Segun is a flat out bore. How did he get chosen as a housemate? It's beyond my comprehension.

[Vanessa]

Oh same Ness. I think Thomas has time yet to emerge from his shell.

Segun is a flat out bore. How did he get chosen as a housemate? It's beyond my comprehension.

He's way too guarded. We're not seeing the real him. Like Lily correctly said.

[Beso]

Ali has peaked, she has now resorted to cartwheels and bogey talk to entertain us viewers.

There was nothing entertaining about her argument, she just said something then ran away from what she said.

The show does NOT need Ali to remain for entertainment value because there is nothing entertaining about her, or the way she voices her opinion.

If you think you are going to be entertained if she stays, I think you are wrong.

[vesavius]

Well. Love her or dislike her, she's unquestionably a good housemate and should stay. She's got everyone talking.

Much preferable to me over the house invisibles that are Thomas and Segun. Snoozeville.

While I do dislike Invisibles snoozing by, I won't reward her behaviour in there because I do dislike her and her type that much.

This kind of misandrist sociopath manipulator thing she has going on isn't good telly for me.

She'll be getting all my votes to evict.

[jones89]

Her constant ascribing motives or reasons of her own invention to the guy is beyond irritating.

"attacking him for no reason, it's not fair"... 100% agree. Well done Marcello for standing in a house full of whining 'neutrals'.

She is being an utter asshole and from behind a shield of fake virtue and fake superiority. Her constant lecturing and berating this guy on how she thinks he must act in order to satisfy her expectations is so annoying.

Honestly, Ali has so many deep issues that she needs to work out. Physician, heal thyself.

Well done Khaled for handling her so well, because it isn't easy to deal with someone that has the ability to stay stone cold calm in an argument about personality traits.

Yeah i have to agree. I just have to wonder if she’ll call Martha out on her fakeness or has she just got a problem with Khaled?.. looking that way so far

[Mich3LL3]

She come across as a rather haughty person.
Liked to see Khaled handling the situation the way he did.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The fact that Khaled stood his ground and the result of that was Ali throwing a tantrum and threatening to leave says it all

Looks like Ali is used to getting her own way all the time at home...

[GoldHeart]

Her constant ascribing motives or reasons of her own invention to the guy is beyond irritating.

"attacking him for no reason, it's not fair"... 100% agree. Well done Marcello for standing in a house full of whining 'neutrals'.

She is being an utter asshole and from behind a shield of fake virtue and fake superiority. Her constant lecturing and berating this guy on how she thinks he must act in order to satisfy her expectations is so annoying.

Honestly, Ali has so many deep issues that she needs to work out. Physician, heal thyself.

Well done Khaled for handling her so well, because it isn't easy to deal with someone that has the ability to stay stone cold calm in an argument about personality traits.

:clap1: Excellent post .

Also she keeps repeating how much she " has nothing against him/ still likes him", who is she trying to convince? :idc: . She clearly does DISLIKE him....and might aswell just own it.

She's always trying to read other people's actions & behaviour, maybe another psychologist should study her ...see how she likes it .

[Glenn.]

She has him pegged

[Ammi]

She has him pegged

…you may be correct, Glenn…but I think atm, the dynamic with Ali and Khaled is dominating the focus of highlights too much that the house characters will emerge much more to see a better balance if one of them goes…and obviously, in expressing a wish to go…?…Ali herself doesn’t seem to feel happy in her environment so not going to thrive…her character is just going to feel stifled, I fear …so I feel I want her to go for her own self but also to be able to see them other housemates in general without having that Khaled/Ali highlight time as dominant…

[Crimson Dynamo]

:clap1: Excellent post .

Also she keeps repeating how much she " has nothing against him/ still likes him", who is she trying to convince? :idc: . She clearly does DISLIKE him....and might aswell just own it.

She's always trying to read other people's actions & behaviour, maybe another psychologist should study her ...see how she likes it .

Perhaps he reminds her of her husband she broke up with?

[Glenn.]

Perhaps he reminds her of her husband she broke up with?

Well if she was married to someone like him I can see why she prefers women so you may have a point

[GoldHeart]

Well if she was married to someone like him I can see why she prefers women so you may have a point

Unbelievable how suddenly Khaled is this 'terrible monster. ' ..I just can't :laugh: :rolleyes: .

[Glenn.]

Unbelievable how suddenly Khaled is this 'terrible monster. ' ..I just can't :laugh: :rolleyes: .

What a dramatic interpretation of my words.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Unbelievable how suddenly Khaled is this 'terrible monster. ' ..I just can't :laugh: :rolleyes: .

Poor Lad fled from Lebanon for a better life and all he gets is attacked for being nice

:umm2:

[Glenn.]

Poor Lad fled from Lebanon for a better life and all he gets is attacked for being nice

:umm2:

I’m bookmarking this for the next immigrant thread

[GoldHeart]

What a dramatic interpretation of my words.

You said he's more cringe than Lily ,the same Lily who will probably infect the entire house with a new disease she's just invented. And who acts like a 5 year old ,whilst screaming in front of the cameras for air time.

[Glenn.]

You said he's more cringe than Lily ,the same Lily who will probably infect the entire house with a new disease she's just invented. And who acts like a 5 year old ,whilst screaming in front of the cameras for air time.

Even more dramatic. Keep going I’m sure you can ramp it up!

[GoldHeart]

Even more dramatic. Keep going I’m sure you can ramp it up!

In the coven witches thread ,you responded to Parm . He asked you if Khaled is more cringe than Lily ...and you said " Yep" .

:idc:

[Glenn.]

In the coven witches thread ,you responded to Parm . He asked you if Khaled is more cringe than Lily ...and you said " Yep" .

:idc:

And that was more dramatic than you saying lily is gonna infect the house with a new disease?

[GoldHeart]

And that was more dramatic than you saying lily is gonna infect the house with a new disease?

You always do this .

Because my point is ,how is Khaled more 'cringe' , than someone with the habits of a badly behaved toddler? .

[Glenn.]

You always do this .

Because my point is ,how is Khaled more 'cringe' , than someone with the habits of a badly behaved toddler? .

Because it’s actually a genuine character trait of Lily’s.

Khaled has shown himself to be disingenuous.

[GoldHeart]

Because it’s actually a genuine character trait of Lily’s.

Khaled has shown himself to be disingenuous.

:umm2: I guess Lily to win then ? .

[Glenn.]

:umm2: I guess Lily to win then ? .

You spelt Ali wrong silly

[vesavius]

You spelt Ali wrong silly

Dude, Ali is nose diving. Even Reddit has finally turned on her. FB as well.

She has maybe 1% chance of winning this and the more she talks the more it drops.

[Glenn.]

Dude, Ali is nose diving. Even Reddit has finally turned on her. FB as well.

She has maybe 1% chance of winning this and the more she talks the more it drops.

We’ll see

[bots]

She clearly isn't nose diving, that lily's speciality :laugh:

I'm now supporting Ali and it's because I think she is speaking the truth

[arista]

Yes Ali tried to leave last night
but Big Brother talked her out of it.

How silly of her.


I hope we get to see more Wise
Big Brother talking to Ali, tonight,

[GoldHeart]

Dude, Ali is nose diving. Even Reddit has finally turned on her. FB as well.

She has maybe 1% chance of winning this and the more she talks the more it drops.

I almost feel sorry for Ali ,she had such potential.

But I think I sympathise more with Daze , I think Lily & Ali are dragging her down.

[vesavius]

She clearly isn't nose diving, that lily's speciality :laugh:

:joker::joker:

[vesavius]

I almost feel sorry for Ali ,she had such potential.

But I think I sympathise more with Daze , I think Lily & Ali are dragging her down.

In the bin with all three! :laugh::laugh::laugh:

[GoldHeart]

In the bin with all three! :laugh::laugh::laugh:

Savage :laugh:

[Beso]

Because it’s actually a genuine character trait of Lily’s.

Khaled has shown himself to be disingenuous.

And Lily hasnt shown herself to be disingenuous in regards to her "who's kiers starmer" comment.

[Glenn.]

And Lily hasnt shown herself to be disingenuous in regards to her "who's kiers starmer" comment.

Some that has zero interest in politics?

And seeing what we’ve seen I can definitely believe that

[GoldHeart]

And Lily hasnt shown herself to be disingenuous in regards to her "who's kiers starmer" comment.

Yeah the Starmer thing was pathetic :bored:, everyone knows who Starmer is whether they want to or not.

Reminded me of when Theresa May was the current Prime minister at the time ,and Amir Khan said " Has there ever been a female prime minister" .

Acting dumb for the sake of it ,is not a positive trait to have .

[Crimson Dynamo]

In her Khaled conversation she could not get the upper hand so she pulled out her ace card

"Im leaving the house and its your fault"

then she went out and announced she was leaving just to get the "oooh Ali don't leave" stuff from her coven of pals

If she wanted to leave she leaves. YOu don't go around telling people


all for drama and affect. gaslighting and being passive aggressive

hateful behavior

:bored:

[vesavius]

In her Khaled conversation she could not get the upper hand so she pulled out her ace card

"Im leaving the house and its your fault"

then she went out and announced she was leaving just to get the "oooh Ali don't leave" stuff from her coven of pals

If she wanted to leave she leaves. YOu don't go around telling people


all for drama and affect. gaslighting and being passive aggressive

hateful behavior

:bored:

Play BB the Ali method;


*starts arguments*

*calls others fake and vilifies them*

*get's called out for vilifying them*

*get's offended and threatens to leave*

[Beso]

Some that has zero interest in politics?

And seeing what we’ve seen I can definitely believe that


She knew what an prime minister was, she was just being disingenuous, wasnt she.

[GoldHeart]

Because sh has no intention of leaving, it's all done to make Khaled feel guilty ...even though he has nothing to feel guilty for. If anything Khaled is the one who should be feeling home sick .

But anyone who says "they're leaving", and announces it like a song & dance through waterworks ...is just phishing for sympathy and attention imo . I would have more respect for Ali if she either just told BB ,and just left if she wanted to leave without th big dramatics :idc: .

[Glenn.]

She knew what an prime minister was, she was just being disingenuous, wasnt she.

Nope

[Beso]

Nope

Cringe

[Glenn.]

Cringe

Cool

[Vanessa]

Because sh has no intention of leaving, it's all done to make Khaled feel guilty ...even though he has nothing to feel guilty for. If anything Khaled is the one who should be feeling home sick .

But anyone who says "they're leaving", and announces it like a song & dance through waterworks ...is just phishing for sympathy and attention imo . I would have more respect for Ali if she either just told BB ,and just left if she wanted to leave without th big dramatics :idc: .

She's so manipulative. Will be voting her to leave now :fist:

[Maru]

Because sh has no intention of leaving, it's all done to make Khaled feel guilty ...even though he has nothing to feel guilty for. If anything Khaled is the one who should be feeling home sick .

But anyone who says "they're leaving", and announces it like a song & dance through waterworks ...is just phishing for sympathy and attention imo . I would have more respect for Ali if she either just told BB ,and just left if she wanted to leave without th big dramatics :idc: .

Is Khaled's behavior even a big deal or is she just upset her game backfired? She got cocky, thought she could manipulate others without getting caught, gets caught and is now pretending she has some reason, morals, principles, etc, some anything to avoid personal responsibility.

It's not even like Khaled held that much sway in the house that we could tell. We barely noticed him... for some reason she's picked Khaled as a hill worth dying on (he's not..), and the longer she stays on that hill, the more damage she receives.

I guess she really does perceive him as someone capable of exposing her and she really does not want him there, seeing as clearly he's someone she will not be able to control... I think her accusations and concern trolling over fakery were attempts to do that, to expand her influence over the house, and it failed horrifically.

[Adamw92]

Poor Lad fled from Lebanon for a better life and all he gets is attacked for being nice

:umm2:

Interesting how people get shot down and told they can’t use the autism “card” when explaining how Ali thinks or speaks but you can casually mention Khaled being from Lebanon as a way of defending him…

[Zizu]

Dude, Ali is nose diving. Even Reddit has finally turned on her. FB as well.

She has maybe 1% chance of winning this and the more she talks the more it drops.


Links / evidence ?


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[Niamh.]

deleted some posts in here, keep it about the HMs not each other please

[vesavius]

Links / evidence ?



Too much work for a throwaway forum post. You are free to visit either of those platforms for your own temperature reading for sure.

[Abra]

I really wanted to like Ali, I thought she would be a good housemate in the beginning but her targeting of Khaled has not done her any favours. She seems quite manipulative and seems to think that she is a better judge of character than anyone else because of what she does for a living. Every little thing Khaled does she is twisting and manipulating and I just find it quite strange. He has handled it really well though considering how hard she has been trying to ostracise him and turn others against him.

[GoldHeart]

Is Khaled's behavior even a big deal or is she just upset her game backfired? She got cocky, thought she could manipulate others without getting caught, gets caught and is now pretending she has some reason, morals, principles, etc, some anything to avoid personal responsibility.

It's not even like Khaled held that much sway in the house that we could tell. We barely noticed him... for some reason she's picked Khaled as a hill worth dying on (he's not..), and the longer she stays on that hill, the more damage she receives.

I guess she really does perceive him as someone capable of exposing her and she really does not want him there, seeing as clearly he's not someone she will not be able to control... I think her accusations and concern trolling over fakery were attempts to do that, to expand her influence over the house, and it failed horrifically.

Exactly this, I truly believe she's annoyed her plan has backfired. So now it's operation plan B . She putting on the sympathy and waterworks to guilt trip Khaled ,and to make the house see him as a bad person. Her manipulation is next level.

[Abra]

The fact that Khaled stood his ground and the result of that was Ali throwing a tantrum and threatening to leave says it all

Looks like Ali is used to getting her own way all the time at home...

Yeah, I think she thought she was going to be able to use her psychology jargon to gaslight the rest of the HM's against him, when that didn't happen it seemed to annoy her, especially with Khaled being voted HoH and Ali being nominated for eviction. Her plan didn't work at all.

[Maru]

Interesting how people get shot down and told they can’t use the autism “card” when explaining how Ali thinks or speaks but you can casually mention Khaled being from Lebanon as a way of defending him…

There shouldn't be an autism card, Lebanon card, etc. If she criticised Khaled on his own merits rather than whatever powergames she perceives people could be playing in life, she wouldn't have painted such a big target on her back. It also advertises to everyone there just how easily it could have been one of them. None of them are safe from her "assessments".

Hanah nominated her for fixating on her character qualities. (That was telling.) Yet she still tried to console her in private, give her a pep talk (on live feed) and encourage her to take a different route. Is Hanah now fake because she didn't tell her then and there how Ali makes her actually feel?

I wonder how different the house dynamic would be if she had left. Would people who normally wouldn't be able to have conversations finally feel they can have them without someone hyper-scrutinizing? I took Hanah trying to encourage Ali to chill herself out as helping herself also, as it doesn't seem like it is very comfortable there atm. We have seen very little of Hanah standing out and I wonder if this is why because Ali is that person who needs to step in to allegedly defend people (she is hurting them more than helping) and tends to treat them like puzzle pieces in the process rather than letting them just get on with it themselves...

[Vanessa]

Exactly this, I truly believe she's annoyed her plan has backfired. So now it's operation plan B . She putting on the sympathy and waterworks to guilt trip Khaled ,and to make the house see him as a bad person. Her manipulation is next level.

She's making Khaled more popular and she doesn't even realise :joker:

[GoldHeart]

She's making Khaled more popular and she doesn't even realise :joker:

:laugh::smug:

[Vanessa]

:laugh::smug:

He's actually such a sweet lad :love:

[Adamw92]

There shouldn't be an autism card, Lebanon card, etc. If she criticised Khaled on his own merits rather than whatever powergames she perceives people could be playing in life, she wouldn't have painted such a big target on her back. It also advertises to everyone there just how easily it could have been one of them. None of them are safe from her "assessments".

Hanah nominated her for fixating on her character qualities. (That was telling.) Yet she still tried to console her in private, give her a pep talk (on live feed) and encourage her to take a different route. Is Hanah now fake because she didn't tell her then and there how Ali makes her actually feel?

I wonder how different the house dynamic would be if she had left. Would people who normally wouldn't be able to have conversations finally feel they can have them without someone hyper-scrutinizing? I took Hanah trying to encourage Ali to chill herself out as helping herself also, as it doesn't seem like it is very comfortable there atm. We have seen very little of Hanah standing out and I wonder if this is why because Ali is that person who needs to step in to allegedly defend people (she is hurting them more than helping) and tends to treat them like puzzle pieces in the process rather than letting them just get on with it...

You’re right, there absolutely shouldn’t be any card, that’s what I was saying. No Hanah isn’t fake for not saying it there and then but then that’s not the same because Ali isn’t accusing Khaled of saying things about people behind their backs and then not saying it to their faces, she’s saying he carefully looks at how he’s being portrayed to fit the good guy narrative in front of others which I agree with, it’s not genuine.

I don’t agree with how she’s put it across but I don’t disagree with her points about him.

[GoldHeart]

There shouldn't be an autism card, Lebanon card, etc. If she criticised Khaled on his own merits rather than whatever powergames she perceives people could be playing in life, she wouldn't have painted such a big target on her back. It also advertises to everyone there just how easily it could have been one of them. None of them are safe from her "assessments".

Hanah nominated her for fixating on her character qualities. (That was telling.) Yet she still tried to console her in private, give her a pep talk (on live feed) and encourage her to take a different route. Is Hanah now fake because she didn't tell her then and there how Ali makes her actually feel?

I wonder how different the house dynamic would be if she had left. Would people who normally wouldn't be able to have conversations finally feel they can have them without someone hyper-scrutinizing? I took Hanah trying to encourage Ali to chill herself out as helping herself also, as it doesn't seem like it is very comfortable there atm. We have seen very little of Hanah standing out and I wonder if this is why because Ali is that person who needs to step in to allegedly defend people (she is hurting them more than helping) and tends to treat them like puzzle pieces in the process rather than letting them just get on with it themselves...

I thought it was very telling indeed ,it also shows that Ali is rubbing others up the wrong way and making them feel uncomfortable.

It also highlights how Hannah is literally what you see is what you get ,I really hope she goes far in this game/ BB house .

[Maru]

She's making Khaled more popular and she doesn't even realise :joker:

We couldn't find him on a map before, but now some of us are now planning our next vacations there so that we can learn what happens at Camp Khaled.

[GoldHeart]

We couldn't find him on a map before, but now some of us are now planning our next vacations there so that we can learn what happens at Camp Khaled.

Brilliant ,I love this comment :laugh: :clap1: .

[Maru]

You’re right, there absolutely shouldn’t be any card, that’s what I was saying. No Hanah isn’t fake for not saying it there and then but then that’s not the same because Ali isn’t accusing Khaled of saying things to about people behind their backs and then not saying it to their faces, she’s saying he carefully looks at how he’s being portrayed to fit the good guy narrative in front of others which I agree with, it’s not genuine.

I don’t agree with how she’s put it across but I don’t disagree with her points about him.

Ali's accusation is that he isn't being him and that he very treats people differently than how he actually feels, but no basis for that is given other than it *can* be perceived this way. I think that way of analyzing others, sadly, can apply to any one of the HMs at any given moment.

Hanah didn't say anything behind her back to others in the house and neither has Khaled, but they are both required to nominate. Both are very nice people from what we can tell but only one of them has had the misfortune of falling on the bad side of Ali.

I think it's because Khaled won't let her in to tinker with him emotionally and he knows better than to feed her and that gives her nothing to work with. That apparently drives her insane. She knows she can't use that and fair play, he had her figured out early on. That makes him a potential threat to Ali. Hanah and the other people there have fed into her complex and haven't really left her radar. I think that is why I think someone like her would be OK, even if it is unclear atm where her support is, but not Khaled...

[jet]

This perception that Khalid is fake is puzzling to me, because I don’t think Ali or anyone on here who agrees with her have given any specific examples of WHY they think so.
I mean, to come to the firm conclusion that he is, there would have to be strong instances of this fakeness other than ‘he’s being too nice’, given the very definate beliefs being expressed of his fakeness.

But maybe he IS just nice, or maybe he is naturally a people pleaser, or maybe he is the sort of person who takes quite a while to let himself relax and feel comfortable with strangers. I think most people would agree that none of those things would qualify as deserving of the singling out treatment he is getting from Ali - for the other HM’s (apart from her chum Lily) have never expressed such sentiments about him.
So is it “ Ali says so, and she’s a professional, so it must be true” or if not, then what specific actions point to him being a ‘fake’ - standing out way over and above any of the other HM’s? :conf:

[Beso]

This perception that Khalid is fake is puzzling to me, because I don’t think Ali or anyone on here who agrees with her have given any specific examples of WHY they think so.
I mean, to come to the firm conclusion that he is, there would have to be strong instances of this fakeness other than ‘he’s being too nice’, given the very definate beliefs being expressed of his fakeness.

But maybe he IS just nice, or maybe he is naturally a people pleaser, or maybe he is the sort of person who takes quite a while to let himself relax and feel comfortable with strangers. I think most people would agree that none of those things would qualify as deserving of the singling out treatment he is getting from Ali - for the other HM’s (apart from her chum Lily) have never expressed such sentiments about him.
So is it “ Ali says so, and she’s a professional, so it must be true” or if not, then what specific actions point to him being a ‘fake’ - standing out way over and above any of the other HM’s? :conf:


Maybe they met at auditions where he was a totally different person:shrug:

Rachel rice style.

[GoldHeart]

Not to stereotype gender roles,but I wonder aswell if Ali automatically sees the girls as more in touch with their emotions than the boys ,who she sees as just 'lad lads lads'. Meaning she unfairly judges them. Even Dean was harshly pre judging the boys.

But even so , she's still picked Khaled out and singled him out above the rest.

So she sees Hannah and most the girls as 'more open' . I wonder if she expected Khaled to sit down in a 1 to 1 therapy session and pour his heart out with tears and cuddling cushions ,as they hold hands and get more in touch with their feelings :rolleyes: .

Her paranoia of him is very weird , especially after just 1 week aswell.

[Zizu]

Maybe they met at auditions where he was a totally different person:shrug:

Rachel rice style.


Is that you Beso ??

That was an rather insightful statement


Confused ….


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[GoldHeart]

Is that you Beso ??

That was an rather insightful statement


Confused ….


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I actually liked Rachel Rice , I thought Rex was awful to her .

[Beso]

Is that you Beso ??

That was an rather insightful statement


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Well due to the pedantic patronizing tones of that post, this is definitely you, Zizu.

[Zizu]

Well due to the pedantic patronizing tones of that post, this is definitely you, Zizu.


I simply find you extremely provocative .. intentionally no doubt


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[Glenn.]

Mmmmm hmmmm

[Beso]

I simply find you extremely provocative .. intentionally no doubt


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I will just pop this here for you to read again.

People with ADHD often have very strong moral convictions, and feel a strong need to uphold them. This can make them very quick to judge others who they perceive as behaving unfairly or unjustly

[Zizu]

I will just pop this here for you to read again.

People with ADHD often have very strong moral convictions, and feel a strong need to uphold them. This can make them very quick to judge others who they perceive as behaving unfairly or unjustly


Thanks .. I haven’t seen that for about ten minutes.

You do love a quick google search , don’t cha


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[Beso]

Thanks .. I haven’t seen that for about ten minutes.

You do love a quick google search , don’t cha


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One must when constantly asked for proof or receipts, or told "how on earth can you know that"

[Beso]

Thanks .. I haven’t seen that for about ten minutes.

You do love a quick google search , don’t cha


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Anyway though..I think that one paragraph alone sums up perfectly how Ali is with Kahled.

[Zizu]

Anyway though..I think that one paragraph alone sums up perfectly how Ali is with Kahled.


Entirely feasible .. no need to want to burn her at the stake for something that maybe out of her control then ??


If I had posted that paragraph in her defence no doubt you would say I was just giving her a free pass ..


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[ThomasC]

Thanks .. I haven’t seen that for about ten minutes.

You do love a quick google search , don’t cha


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Yeah was going to say this is from a textbook lol

[Beso]

Entirely feasible .. no need to want to burn her at the stake for something that maybe out of her control then ??


If I had posted that paragraph in her defence no doubt you would say I was just giving her a free pass ..


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See...you've already convinced yourself that would happen, when you have no way of knowing it would.

[Zizu]

See...you've already convinced yourself that would happen, when you have no way of knowing it would.


I think we both know it would , hell the whole forum knows ..


You appear to spend every waking moment predicting what Ali is going to say or do despite having no way of knowing


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[Adamw92]

Ali's accusation is that he isn't being him and that he very treats people differently than how he actually feels, but no basis for that is given other than it *can* be perceived this way. I think that way of analyzing others, sadly, can apply to any one of the HMs at any given moment.

Hanah didn't say anything behind her back to others in the house and neither has Khaled, but they are both required to nominate. Both are very nice people from what we can tell but only one of them has had the misfortune of falling on the bad side of Ali.

I think it's because Khaled won't let her in to tinker with him emotionally and he knows better than to feed her and that gives her nothing to work with. That apparently drives her insane. She knows she can't use that and fair play, he had her figured out early on. That makes him a potential threat to Ali. Hanah and the other people there have fed into her complex and haven't really left her radar. I think that is why I think someone like her would be OK, even if it is unclear atm where her support is, but not Khaled...

But then that’s just your opinion of him, I can absolutely see why Ali would think that he’s putting on a facade because he does constantly look like he’s trying to say the right or nicest thing and maybe that’s just him but it feels incredibly false and I don’t see how that’s not a valid reason in anyone’s eyes because he literally comes in saying these impassioned speeches (like when he won HoH) for no reason so he doesn’t rock the boat.

Obviously people aren’t always gonna get on with everyone they meet but there’s a very clear difference in how different people speak in the house to Khaled and they manage to come across without any scrutiny and it’s because they don’t always try to be the good guy like he does.

[rusticgal]

She's making Khaled more popular and she doesn't even realise :joker:

She is indeed…I’m really liking him. Very level headed…

[Zizu]

Ali has peaked, she has now resorted to cartwheels and bogey talk to entertain us viewers.

.


From what I recall it was Sarah’s idea
She asked Ali if she could do a cartwheel and then encouraged her to try ..


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[Beso]

I think we both know it would , hell the whole forum knows ..


You appear to spend every waking moment predicting what Ali is going to say or do despite having no way of knowing


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Do I?

Perhaps you could quote me where I've talked about Ali in the future..

And if that's what the WHOLE forum thinks of me, well they can all bugger off as far as I'm concerned.

There only about 5 peoples opinions of me worth giving a toss about on here during off season.




So yeah, I will wait on the quote, which won't come, cause there isnt any. A bit like you posting stuff benjamin posted claiming I posted it about the live feed not being on, No reply to that once you saw it wasnt me..or when you said I was posting in the later and live programme thread, making mebrepky that I've not even opened it to read it, let alone post in it You would have checked to seeing you were right and I was wrong...but still, absolutely no reply or humble ness when you were shown to be incorrect yet again.

That paragraph applies so much to you so I will pist it again for you to read, and perhaps learn something about yourself from it.
Here it is....


People with ADHD often have very strong moral convictions, and feel a strong need to uphold them. This can make them very quick to judge others who they perceive as behaving unfairly or unjustly

So back to your bullying statement about the whole forum, do you know that for fact cause yiuve been a gossiping mary, with Kate. Or is it just more assumption from yourself?

[Zizu]

Do I?

Perhaps you could quote me where I've talked about Ali in the future..

And if that's what the WHOLE forum thinks of me, well they can all bugger off as far as I'm concerned.

There only about 5 peoples opinions of me worth giving a toss about on here during off season.




So yeah, I will wait on the quote, which won't come, cause there isnt any. A bit like you posting stuff benjamin posted claiming I posted it about the live feed not being on, No reply to that once you saw it wasnt me..or when you said I was posting in the later and live programme thread, making mebrepky that I've not even opened it to read it, let alone post in it You would have checked to seeing you were right and I was wrong...but still, absolutely no reply or humble ness when you were shown to be incorrect yet again.

That paragraph applies so much to you so I will pist it again for you to read, and perhaps learn something about yourself from it.
Here it is....


People with ADHD often have very strong moral convictions, and feel a strong need to uphold them. This can make them very quick to judge others who they perceive as behaving unfairly or unjustly

So back to your bullying statement about the whole forum, do you know that for fact cause yiuve been a gossiping mary, with Kate. Or is it just more assumption from yourself?


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[Beso]

From what I recall it was Sarah’s idea
She asked Ali if she could do a cartwheel and then encouraged her to try ..


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Somersault, she asked if she could do a somersault..ali should have just said NO and left it there..But she had to do the most pristine and proper cartwheel I've ever had the displeasure to witness for the viewers.

[Zizu]

Do I?

Perhaps you could quote me where I've talked about Ali in the future..

And if that's what the WHOLE forum thinks of me, well they can all bugger off as far as I'm concerned.

There only about 5 peoples opinions of me worth giving a toss about on here during off season.




So yeah, I will wait on the quote, which won't come, cause there isnt any. A bit like you posting stuff benjamin posted claiming I posted it about the live feed not being on, No reply to that once you saw it wasnt me..or when you said I was posting in the later and live programme thread, making mebrepky that I've not even opened it to read it, let alone post in it You would have checked to seeing you were right and I was wrong...but still, absolutely no reply or humble ness when you were shown to be incorrect yet again.

That paragraph applies so much to you so I will pist it again for you to read, and perhaps learn something about yourself from it.
Here it is....


People with ADHD often have very strong moral convictions, and feel a strong need to uphold them. This can make them very quick to judge others who they perceive as behaving unfairly or unjustly

So back to your bullying statement about the whole forum, do you know that for fact cause yiuve been a gossiping mary, with Kate. Or is it just more assumption from yourself?


Call it an educated guess


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[Zizu]

Somersault, she asked if she could do a somersault..ali should have just said NO and left it there..But she had to do the most pristine and proper cartwheel I've ever had the displeasure to witness for the viewers.


You are just nitpicking now

Just imagine the outrage in here if Ali had replied “ No “ and just walked away
LOL


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[Beso]

Call it an educated guess


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The receipts you posted. What have they got to do with what Ali will say in the future?

Nothing at all, thats what..gotta leave you to it now zizu..your posts arento annoying to quote cause of your tapatalk sig...when quote you ot always misses the quote line so it's just an pain to edit it back into shape..

Enjoy your evening.

[Beso]

You are just nitpicking now

Just imagine the outrage in here if Ali had replied “ No “ and just walked away
LOL


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She would have got my applause, but I cant speak for everyone.

[Niamh.]

From what I recall it was Sarah’s idea
She asked Ali if she could do a cartwheel and then encouraged her to try ..


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[Zizu]

I admit to being useless with names ..


I am useless at spelling names as well

Guilty as charged


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[Abra]

I'm really not sure how anyone can even defend the fact that Ali is accusing Khaled of being fake (her reasoning being essentially... "well I just think so") when out of the two of them Ali has clearly been the fakest. Every time Khaled has raised her issue with him face to face she has said "I don't dislike you, I actually like you" etc when that clearly is not true. You don't have to pretend to like him just because you realise you might be coming across as too mean.

[ThomasC]

I'm really not sure how anyone can even defend the fact that Ali is accusing Khaled of being fake (her reasoning being essentially... "well I just think so") when out of the two of them Ali has clearly been the fakest. Every time Khaled has raised her issue with him face to face she has said "I don't dislike you, I actually like you" etc when that clearly is not true. You don't have to pretend to like him just because you realise you might be coming across as too mean.

People can have an opinion without disliking someone though.

[Adamw92]

I'm really not sure how anyone can even defend the fact that Ali is accusing Khaled of being fake (her reasoning being essentially... "well I just think so") when out of the two of them Ali has clearly been the fakest. Every time Khaled has raised her issue with him face to face she has said "I don't dislike you, I actually like you" etc when that clearly is not true. You don't have to pretend to like him just because you realise you might be coming across as too mean.

But her reason isn’t just “I just think so”. She literally sat him down and said it’s the way he always feels like he has to appease others by making impassioned speeches for nothing. She’s not wrong, every time he speaks it feels like he’s thinking of what he should say to look good instead of just being an actual human and saying what he really feels, it’s fake.

[Abra]

But her reason isn’t just “I just think so”. She literally sat him down and said it’s the way he always feels like he has to appease others by making impassioned speeches for nothing. She’s not wrong, every time he speaks it feels like he’s thinking of what he should say to look good instead of just being an actual human and saying what he really feels, it’s fake.

Hmm I'm not sure, there may be some projection there I fear

She doesn't actually have any evidence of this though, it's just based on a feeling. That would be fine if she wasn't labelling him as fake behind his back.

[Abra]

People can have an opinion without disliking someone though.

Yes but come on... she clearly doesn't like him :laugh:

[Adamw92]

Hmm I'm not sure, there may be some projection there I fear

She doesn't actually have any evidence of this though, it's just based on a feeling. That would be fine if she wasn't labelling him as fake behind his back.

She has conversations that she’s had or seen him have and she has been living with him 24/7, I think it’s very probable that she understands him better than us. And she’s also told him she thinks he’s fake to his face.

[Zizu]

She has conversations that she’s had or seen him have and she has been living with him 24/7, I think it’s very probable that she understands him better than us. And she’s also told him she thinks he’s fake to his face.


Why does everyone base all their thoughts and arguments on the 30 minutes of selective , edited daily footage

Its just a sample taken out of 16 waking hours x 15 housemates ( 240 hours of footage potentially)


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[Adamw92]

Why does everyone base all their thoughts and arguments on the 30 minutes of selective , edited daily footage

Its just a sample taken out of 16 waking hours x 15 housemates ( 240 hours of footage potentially)


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I get why because we have to go off of what we’re shown but we should also be taking into consideration the things that may have happened off-screen too. Everyone is happy to jump straight to “she’s clearly picking things out of nowhere to go at him” all while conveniently ignoring the fact that she could have seen things that make her feel this way that they aren’t showing us.

[Zizu]

I get why because we have to go off of what we’re shown but we should also be taking into consideration the things that may have happened off-screen too. Everyone is happy to jump straight to “she’s clearly picking things out of nowhere to go at him” all while conveniently ignoring the fact that she could have seen things that make her feel this way that they aren’t showing us.


Exactly !


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[vesavius]

We couldn't find him on a map before, but now some of us are now planning our next vacations there so that we can learn what happens at Camp Khaled.

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

True though. I honestly feel like Ali could have won this for Khaled.

[GlitterUK]

It is early days for Khaled, not his fault Ali started on him. Ali is regretting her actions now and seems to of lost her mojo.

[rusticgal]

I get why because we have to go off of what we’re shown but we should also be taking into consideration the things that may have happened off-screen too. Everyone is happy to jump straight to “she’s clearly picking things out of nowhere to go at him” all while conveniently ignoring the fact that she could have seen things that make her feel this way that they aren’t showing us.


Ali took a dislike to him for what he said to Hannah…and her only reason for calling him fake is because he came up to check on those who didn’t get an invite to the party…she found his thoughtfulness fake. Neither Ali or Lily have given a reason behind their accusations…so had anything happened that we had not seen they failed to mention it…

[Zizu]

It is early days for Khaled, not his fault Ali started on him. Ali is regretting her actions now and seems to of lost her mojo.


Martha is carrying the flag now .. telling Lily that she now thinks Khaled is fake..


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[GlitterUK]

If something had happened Ali would have let everyone know. She didn't witness the full chat between Hanah and Khaled, plus is Hanah has moved on, why hasn't she?
Ali has targeted Khaled but I am not sure why. Not sure why on Late & Live they are trying to stick up for her - Both her hats are bitch and witch!

[GlitterUK]

Martha is carrying the flag now .. telling Lily that she now thinks Khaled is fake..


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Yeah after Ali planted the seed. Martha is a follower.

[flashlightening]

Her constant ascribing motives or reasons of her own invention to the guy is beyond irritating.

"attacking him for no reason, it's not fair"... 100% agree. Well done Marcello for standing in a house full of whining 'neutrals'.

She is being an utter asshole and from behind a shield of fake virtue and fake superiority. Her constant lecturing and berating this guy on how she thinks he must act in order to satisfy her expectations is so annoying.

Honestly, Ali has so many deep issues that she needs to work out. Physician, heal thyself.

Well done Khaled for handling her so well, because it isn't easy to deal with someone that has the ability to stay stone cold calm in an argument about personality traits.

totally agree she has a degree and thinks she is an expert and trying to read people.

[GoldHeart]

Yeah after Ali planted the seed. Martha is a follower.

Plus Martha is salty over her nomination .

It's hilarious Hannah nominated Ali ,and Ali is still dwelling on that situation...when it had nothing to do with Ali . Khaled wants to move on ,but Ali won't rest until she succeeds in her mission to sabotage Khaled / get him evicted. No doubt she'll love it next week,and he'll likely be up for eviction.

She orchestrated her little embarrassing meltdown, and the whole pretending to leave drama . All done as a game plan to gain sympathy and control.

[GoldHeart]

totally agree she has a degree and thinks she is an expert and trying to read people.

She couldn't read fire escape instructions if they were in front of her , she's incredibly condescending and stuck up. And she's not very understanding for someone in that line of work.

[Zizu]

Yeah after Ali planted the seed. Martha is a follower.


I rather think it’s nothing to do with Ali

You may recall something about Martha , Khaled and a Killer Nomination ??


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[GlitterUK]

Martha was part of the gossip girls before that. She was aware of Ali's thoughts.

[Zizu]

Martha was part of the gossip girls before that. She was aware of Ali's thoughts.


.. .. and which would you imagine would have the greatest effect on Martha ?

A comment from Ali in a group situation or Khaled with the totally unjust Killer Nomination that will possibly end her stay in the BB house ( she will assume she’s going as the others do )


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[AnnieK]

.. .. and which would you imagine would have the greatest effect on Martha ?

A comment from Ali in a group situation or Khaled with the totally unjust Killer Nomination that will possibly end her stay in the BB house ( she will assume she’s going as the others do )


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Why do you think it was an unjust Killer Nom? He had to make a choice and made the choice based on who he was closest to.

I agree that Martha will be more influenced by that than by Ali but I'm interested to hear why you think it was unjust and what a just killer nom would have been in his position?

[Zizu]

Why do you think it was an unjust Killer Nom? He had to make a choice and made the choice based on who he was closest to.

I agree that Martha will be more influenced by that than by Ali but I'm interested to hear why you think it was unjust and what a just killer nom would have been in his position?


I think he choice was spot on especially how he reasoned it all out BUT from her perspective it was completely unjust


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[vesavius]

Plus Martha is salty over her nomination .



Deffo, and this showed up a darker side to Martha... Weaponised gossip for petty vengeance.

[vesavius]

Yeah after Ali planted the seed. Martha is a follower.

True

[Maru]

A Reddit comment pointed out something I'd missed entirely and it made me look back for the episode. Ali had actually quizzed Hanah & Nathan about who they thought was genuine pretty much after the incident with Khaled. She was checking for their response but didn't ever give hers that we know of because it wasn't shown... So that seed in the form of a question was planted very shortly after their disagreement. The comment reminded me she had asked Lily and Lily of course had said Khaled then, that was the second time it was asked, and that's when Ali jumped out to say she agreed. But when she'd initially asked the question, Nathan had said Sarah & Daze... she didn't answer Yes or No to Sarah but played it off like "Really????!" (sneaky...), but was immediately coming to the defense of Daze. Then it was asked again another time to another group with Lily present and Ali didn't state her choice, but Lily came out and said Khaled.... and then of course, that's when Ali took ownership and said "Yes, I agree". So that's interesting how she had just used Lily twice to say the quiet part out loud. I didn't notice this progression at all, but that appears to make it preemptive.

This adds more evidence to the suggestion she's trying to play a Feminist game. In both cases, it's two black women that are involved that need "protecting". She's tailoring her answers not to show who she doesn't trust, but rather who she is supportive of. Hanah, by virtue of taking a stance against Khaled. Daze, by virtue of disagreeing with Nathan. So that would make her stance against Khaled make more sense if that were true. Then when she confronted Khaled, she had the references she had crafted in the quizzing of others to say "Well, other people agree so..." ...

Anyway, now I never will look at that type of question without taping up one of my eyebrows since as apparently that question is not without a motive. It's a good way to start sh** without actually appearing to be asking something innocuous. I'd not remembered it until now for that reason.

If you want to rewatch the first incident, it was Episode 5 near the end where they are all sitting on the beds after the party on the stage. It's interesting she asks Nathan specifically with Hanah present... was she hoping he'd say it out loud and a moment could be crafted from that?... It wasn't until Izaaz confronted her specifically after a "vibe" had been happening that finally she was like "Yes! My opportunity..."... and she looked very happy to have that opportunity. That was not a difficult decision for her.

[AnnieK]

I think he choice was spot on especially how he reasoned it all out BUT from her perspective it was completely unjust


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Ah, I see. Sorry, I misunderstood your post and thought you thought it was unjust.

Martha is pissed about the nomination, coupled with a bit of bandwaggon jumping and I think she has decided Khaled is fake.

[GlitterUK]

A Reddit comment pointed out something I'd missed entirely and it made me look back for the episode. Ali had actually quizzed Hanah & Nathan about who they thought was genuine pretty much after the incident with Khaled. She was checking for their response but didn't ever give hers that we know of because it wasn't shown... So that seed in the form of a question was planted very shortly after their disagreement. The comment reminded me she had asked Lily and Lily of course had said Khaled then, that was the second time it was asked, and that's when Ali jumped out to say she agreed. But when she'd initially asked the question, Nathan had said Sarah & Daze... she didn't answer Yes or No to Sarah but played it off like "Really????!" (sneaky...), but was immediately coming to the defense of Daze. Then it was asked again another time to another group with Lily present and Ali didn't state her choice, but Lily came out and said Khaled.... and then of course, that's when Ali took ownership and said "Yes, I agree". So that's interesting how she had just used Lily twice to say the quiet part out loud. I didn't notice this progression at all, but that appears to make it preemptive.

This adds more evidence to the suggestion she's trying to play a Feminist game. In both cases, it's two black women that are involved that need "protecting". She's tailoring her answers not to show who she doesn't trust, but rather who she is supportive of. Hanah, by virtue of taking a stance against Khaled. Daze, by virtue of disagreeing with Nathan. So that would make her stance against Khaled make more sense if that were true. Then when she confronted Khaled, she had the references she had crafted in the quizzing of others to say "Well, other people agree so..." ...

Anyway, now I never will look at that type of question without taping up one of my eyebrows since as apparently that question is not without a motive. It's a good way to start sh** without actually appearing to be asking something innocuous. I'd not remembered it until now for that reason.

If you want to rewatch the first incident, it was Episode 5 near the end where they are all sitting on the beds after the party on the stage. It's interesting she asks Nathan specifically with Hanah present... was she hoping he'd say it out loud and a moment could be crafted from that?... It wasn't until Izaaz confronted her specifically after a "vibe" had been happening that finally she was like "Yes! My opportunity..."... and she looked very happy to have that opportunity. That was not a difficult decision for her.

Yeah she kind of tests the water first with people to suss them out before making a move.

[vesavius]

A Reddit comment pointed out something I'd missed entirely and it made me look back for the episode. Ali had actually quizzed Hanah & Nathan about who they thought was genuine pretty much after the incident with Khaled. She was checking for their response but didn't ever give hers that we know of because it wasn't shown... So that seed in the form of a question was planted very shortly after their disagreement. The comment reminded me she had asked Lily and Lily of course had said Khaled then, that was the second time it was asked, and that's when Ali jumped out to say she agreed. But when she'd initially asked the question, Nathan had said Sarah & Daze... she didn't answer Yes or No to Sarah but played it off like "Really????!" (sneaky...), but was immediately coming to the defense of Daze. Then it was asked again another time to another group with Lily present and Ali didn't state her choice, but Lily came out and said Khaled.... and then of course, that's when Ali took ownership and said "Yes, I agree". So that's interesting how she had just used Lily twice to say the quiet part out loud. I didn't notice this progression at all, but that appears to make it preemptive.

This adds more evidence to the suggestion she's trying to play a Feminist game. In both cases, it's two black women that are involved that need "protecting". She's tailoring her answers not to show who she doesn't trust, but rather who she is supportive of. Hanah, by virtue of taking a stance against Khaled. Daze, by virtue of disagreeing with Nathan. So that would make her stance against Khaled make more sense if that were true. Then when she confronted Khaled, she had the references she had crafted in the quizzing of others to say "Well, other people agree so..." ...

Anyway, now I never will look at that type of question without taping up one of my eyebrows since as apparently that question is not without a motive. It's a good way to start sh** without actually appearing to be asking something innocuous. I'd not remembered it until now for that reason.

If you want to rewatch the first incident, it was Episode 5 near the end where they are all sitting on the beds after the party on the stage. It's interesting she asks Nathan specifically with Hanah present... was she hoping he'd say it out loud and a moment could be crafted from that?... It wasn't until Izaaz confronted her specifically after a "vibe" had been happening that finally she was like "Yes! My opportunity..."... and she looked very happy to have that opportunity. That was not a difficult decision for her.

excellent take

[Maru]

excellent take

Blame Reddit :laugh: