why are they pandering to Ali

[flashlightening]

She is the one causing arguments and they all end up apologising to her -

[vesavius]

Because a crying girl saying that she is going to leave is pretty much an auto win card.

Which she is very aware of.

[Zizu]

We know its you mate

Give it a rest fgs


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[GlitterUK]

I think Martha fancies her.
Lily is in awe of her as she gives her the time of day and looks like she doesn't have many friends who tolerate her antics.

[Zizu]

Because a crying girl saying that she is going to leave is pretty much an auto win card.

Which she is very aware of.


I think we have all witnessed fake tears and upset over the years

If Ali was acting then she’s in the wrong profession because it was far more convincing than anything you see in our daily soaps


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[vesavius]

If Ali was acting then she’s in the wrong profession because it was far more convincing than anything you see in our daily soaps


I have known many many girls that would shame a soap actor when it comes to turning on the water works in order to manipulate.

[Zizu]

I have known many many girls that would shame a soap actor when it comes to turning on the water works in order to manipulate.


Fake tears/ upset are pretty easy to identify inho


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[vesavius]

Fake tears/ upset are pretty easy to identify inho



There wasn't one genuine emotion expressed by Ali in tonight's show.

She's playing you mate.

[GlitterUK]

I think Ali is angry at herself for playing the game wrong and choosing the wrong guy to pick on.

If she said sorry I was wrong about you Khaled at some point I would be like well done she is taking responsibility.

[Zizu]

There wasn't one genuine emotion expressed by Ali in tonight's show.

She's playing you mate.


I think some of you are so invested in bringing Ali down that you are feeding off each other’s negativity and your judgements are now impaired somewhat .

There’s a group constantly targeting Ali and their musings are getting more and more ridiculous


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[vesavius]

I think some of you are so invested in bringing Ali down that you are feeding off each other’s negativity and your judgements are now impaired somewhat .

There’s a group constantly targeting Ali and their musings are getting more and more ridiculous


I mean, I know that she is your ride or die, so it's hard to trust you when you judge others to be 'impaired'.

Some of us simply see her game. Some of us simply don't like the way she acts. :shrug:

[GlitterUK]

She seems to have an issue with Emma also still I think. When Emma joins a group Ali walks away.

[vesavius]

She seems to have an issue with Emma also still I think. When Emma joins a group Ali walks away.

She probably understands that she can't add Emma to her acolytes.

Under that bubbly exterior Emma is a lot more savvy than she looks.

I expect Ali to go for her at some point in all honesty.

[GlitterUK]

Age wise Ali is 38, Emma is 50 something so you would think they would seek each other out and have things in common. But maybe its easier to manipulate the younger crowd to her way of thinking than it would be with Emma.

[Zizu]

I mean, I know that she is your ride or die, so it's hard to trust you when you judge others to be 'impaired'.

Some of us simply see her game. Some of us simply don't like the way she acts. :shrug:


She isn’t a criminal or a monster though ..

She’s just a participant in a game show who’s had a 3 day beef with a fellow housemate

It’s really not that ‘deep’ to use the word of the series .


Check back over some of your ( and your cronies) posts regarding Ali - the majority are bordering ridiculous and all based on a few minutes edited footage each night


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[vesavius]

Age wise Ali is 38, Emma is 50 something so you would think they would seek each other out and have things in common. But maybe its easier to manipulate the younger crowd to her way of thinking than it would be with Emma.

That's exactly it.

Emma is a wise 'old' hen I think.

[Zizu]

You guys


Shakes head…


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[vesavius]

She isn’t a criminal or a monster though ..

She’s just a participant in a game show who’s had a 3 day beef with a fellow housemate

It’s really not that ‘deep’ to use the word of the series .


Check back over some of your ( and your cronies) posts regarding Ali - the majority are bordering ridiculous.

Dude, I have no 'cronies'. My posts are mine and my own only.

Relax. it's a gameshow and judging and commenting on the HMs is part of the show. No one is saying that she is a criminal. but, we ARE allowed to voice opinions on her.

[Zizu]

Dude, I have no 'cronies'. My posts are mine and my own only.

Relax. it's a gameshow and judging and commenting on the HMs is part of the show. No one is saying that she is a criminal. but, we ARE allowed to voice opinions on her.


She’s been labelled countless dreadful names including EVIL .. it’s just ridiculous


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[GlitterUK]

I stand by what I say on her - cold, calculating, manipulative, judgemental, I am trying to stay away from the bully word but I do think she has come close to the line in how she has treated Khaled. I also think she is someone who holds a grudge.


It is a shame because Ali was one of my faves initially until the Khaled situation.

[Redway]

Age wise Ali is 38, Emma is 50 something so you would think they would seek each other out and have things in common. But maybe its easier to manipulate the younger crowd to her way of thinking than it would be with Emma.

Ali’s what? 38?

[GlitterUK]

Ali’s what? 38?


Yeah I think she is, she doesn't look it she looks fab for her age. The red hair makes her stand out.
Can someone confirm 38? ...I am doubting myself now:laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

Because a crying girl saying that she is going to leave is pretty much an auto win card.

Which she is very aware of.

They're softies.:fist:

You've got to break all of the Housemates down until you're the only one left, there's no need to feel guilty.:devil:

[Mystic Mock]

She’s been labelled countless dreadful names including EVIL .. it’s just ridiculous


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Who has said that Ali's evil?:laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

Yeah I think she is, she doesn't look it she looks fab for her age. The red hair makes her stand out.
Can someone confirm 38? ...I am doubting myself now:laugh:

Ali is 38.

[Maru]

Who has said that Ali's evil?:laugh:

Must be mixing them up with Legendary Dark Horse, Marcello.

[GlitterUK]

Ali is 38.


Thought so, thanks.

[Mrluvaluva]

Maybe it just comes down to people's thoughts on how certain HM's views have been perceived? Both within the house and on the outside. She wasn't aggressive in her delivery. She said what was on her mind rather than bitching behind his back. It might have seen cold and calculating and I think she regrets that. In fact we know she does. She thinks she let herself down and others. Hence why she had a wobble. We sometimes forget how things are heightened in the house and how much paranoia sets in. The earlier houses were much more smaller and basically living area/kitchen/bedroom with a window through bedroom/living area and it was more like a fishbowl. Although ITV's house is so much bigger I can still imagine it's hard to get away from different scenarios, especially at this point when there's still 15 of them in there.

We can't get along with everyone in life. In the outside world we can just walk away. That's not a possibility for them. We'll it is which is why they contemplate about leaving. It becomes a hard decision.

She's not malicious in my eyes so maybe cut her some slack?

It all comes down to discussion and understanding. I think she is liked in the house by most and, yet, we know how things can change on a day to day basis. Maybe for good, maybe not....

[Zizu]

The tide maybe changing .. apparently Thomas and Azeeze have both been vocal this evening and both criticising Khaled .
Similarly Martha shared her doubts about Khaled to Lily earlier this evening



Didn’t see any of that coming at all


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[GlitterUK]

They are criticizing everyone tonight, this task really has wound them up and whatever happened with this bagel.

Looking forward to seeing is this is all Ali and her seed planting or there are some concerns about Khaled.

Either way this task sounds like an nightmare, when will they be allowed to catch up on there sleep if they are awake all night?

Just need a task for Segun next so he can come to life.

[Redway]

Ali is 38.

To be fair, I guess that means she would’ve been born around 1987 and that’s totally believable. I forget how old everyone is these days.

[Ammi]

Must be mixing them up with Legendary Dark Horse, Marcello.

…Marcus Akin…?…

[Ammi]

…an interesting thing with Ali I thought with the HoH thing and with Khaled choosing Martha for the killer nomination…?…Ali was very fixated/focused on…‘why Martha, why, why, why (Delilah…)….there must have been something about Martha so what was it…’…she just couldn’t let that go as much as Khaled was saying how much he had reasoned the decision…and then flip it over to the fact that it’s a game and since the beginning of time, housemates have had ‘fake’ or similar aimed at them…?…so in a house where many hope to present themselves in a certain way…why Khaled, why single out Khaled…why, why, why (Delilah)…

…she’s not evil, she’s not bad and if she gives people the space to be themselves and make their own choices rather than the ones that she feels they should be making and all of that jazz…and if she survives this week’s eviction and becomes more positive about the house experience…a lot of ifs, I know…but if all of those came together, she could be a very interesting housemate for me…but more than anything, she could really love her experience of getting to know people ‘outside of a textbook’….

[Zizu]

…an interesting thing with Ali I thought with the HoH thing and with Khaled choosing Martha for the killer nomination…?…Ali was very fixated/focused on…‘why Martha, why, why, why (Delilah…)….there must have been something about Martha so what was it…’…she just couldn’t let that go as much as Khaled was saying how much he had reasoned the decision…and then flip it over to the fact that it’s a game and since the beginning of time, housemates have had ‘fake’ or similar aimed at them…?…so in a house where many hope to present themselves in a certain way…why Khaled, why single out Khaled…why, why, why (Delilah)…

…she’s not evil, she’s not bad and if she gives people the space to be themselves and make their own choices rather than the ones that she feels they should be making and all of that jazz…and if she survives this week’s eviction and becomes more positive about the house experience…a lot of ifs, I know…but if all of those came together, she could be a very interesting housemate for me…but more than anything, she could really love her experience of getting to know people ‘outside of a textbook’….


I was thinking that if Ali survives this weeks eviction vote then it would boost her self confidence - but she’s such a complex entity that surviving may have zero effect ..

I can picture the scene.. everyone sat around awaiting the result .. then I can see Ali breaking down and sobbing OR simply sat there looking all embarrassed.


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[vesavius]

…Marcus Akin…?…

Ahh, the Poundland Wolverine.

That was actually a pretty good year, looking back.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The irrepressible dark horse

if you dont mind

[vesavius]

They're softies.:fist:

You've got to break all of the Housemates down until you're the only one left, there's no need to feel guilty.:devil:

That's the spirit!

[Mystic Mock]

That's the spirit!

Exactly.:dance:

[ThomasC]

I think Ali is angry at herself for playing the game wrong and choosing the wrong guy to pick on.

If she said sorry I was wrong about you Khaled at some point I would be like well done she is taking responsibility.

I think people think too deeply into things.

It's OK to not get along with everybody. The world doesn't work like that and if you were in a house with 15 other people you would probably feel the same.

They have made up but she stands by her point made. I like that honesty whether he is 'fake' or not.

She has essentially said she would like to see if she's wrong. She offered an olive branch and it was accepted

[Ammi]

Ahh, the Poundland Wolverine.

That was actually a pretty good year, looking back.

…he was such a caricature personality which obviously would always bring marmite opinions but he did win many fans around…

[Ammi]

I was thinking that if Ali survives this weeks eviction vote then it would boost her self confidence - but she’s such a complex entity that surviving may have zero effect ..

I can picture the scene.. everyone sat around awaiting the result .. then I can see Ali breaking down and sobbing OR simply sat there looking all embarrassed.


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..Hopefully Ali has put it all behind in terms of Khaled and will put any suspicions aside in favour of getting to know him and hopefully creating a bond..if she stays on Friday, hopefully as you say…she’ll move forward and try to chill and enjoy her experience more positively…because her experience is to be part of a blended group, not to stand on the perimeter and observe them etc…

[ThomasC]

…an interesting thing with Ali I thought with the HoH thing and with Khaled choosing Martha for the killer nomination…?…Ali was very fixated/focused on…‘why Martha, why, why, why (Delilah…)….there must have been something about Martha so what was it…’…she just couldn’t let that go as much as Khaled was saying how much he had reasoned the decision…and then flip it over to the fact that it’s a game and since the beginning of time, housemates have had ‘fake’ or similar aimed at them…?…so in a house where many hope to present themselves in a certain way…why Khaled, why single out Khaled…why, why, why (Delilah)…

…she’s not evil, she’s not bad and if she gives people the space to be themselves and make their own choices rather than the ones that she feels they should be making and all of that jazz…and if she survives this week’s eviction and becomes more positive about the house experience…a lot of ifs, I know…but if all of those came together, she could be a very interesting housemate for me…but more than anything, she could really love her experience of getting to know people ‘outside of a textbook’….

As much as I like Khaled, I don't understand the 'fake' line, but I'm not in the house and we only see limited footage.

Potentially, I think it could be trauma based responses.

Whether he reminds her of someone from her past maybe

[Crimson Dynamo]

As much as I like Khaled, I don't understand the 'fake' line, but I'm not in the house and we only see limited footage.

Potentially, I think it could be trauma based responses.

Whether he reminds her of someone from her past maybe

Maybe her brother and she is angry subconsciously that he died and Khaled and the younger men are still alive?

[NotAWannabe]

Agree

[NotAWannabe]

I think Ali is angry at herself for playing the game wrong and choosing the wrong guy to pick on.

If she said sorry I was wrong about you Khaled at some point I would be like well done she is taking responsibility.

Agree

[ThomasC]

Maybe her brother and she is angry subconsciously that he died and Khaled and the younger men are still alive?

Maybe, who knows

There is unconscious actions at play though, potentially

[Crimson Dynamo]

Maybe, who knows

There is unconscious actions at play though, potentially

there must be as no one on here so far has been able to work out what it has been about (or on late and live)?

[bots]

all these arguments are prolonged because they know they get screen time from it. In real life they would be ended in one line ..... f off <insert favourite expletive>

Anyone that gets upset or invested in these fake arguments is being sucked into their game

[Gusto Brunt]

Ali is unbearable. For a supposed professional woman, she acts like a kid.

Seriously I don't know what her problem is, and what the hell she is talking about 100% of the time. I now fast forward when she's on.

Boring woman. I actually thinks she has a fancy for Khalid which goes against her new found lesbianism. So she makes up complete rubbish to have something about him she dislikes.

[Kazanne]

I mean, I know that she is your ride or die, so it's hard to trust you when you judge others to be 'impaired'.

Some of us simply see her game. Some of us simply don't like the way she acts. :shrug:

100%, she is a crafty one imo and I liked her at first, she loves it when they are all fawning round her

[Zizu]

100%, she is a crafty one imo and I liked her at first, she loves it when they are all fawning round her


Really ?

I just see her squirming when she’s surrounded by them all - as I would

This is only an educated guess but I would imagine that she hates all the fuss and attention ( and certainly the drama ) - she more than likely doesn’t like being touched or hugged unless she’s in the mindset to initiate a hug or whatever ..


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[Zizu]

..Hopefully Ali has put it all behind in terms of Khaled and will put any suspicions aside in favour of getting to know him and hopefully creating a bond..if she stays on Friday, hopefully as you say…she’ll move forward and try to chill and enjoy her experience more positively…because her experience is to be part of a blended group, not to stand on the perimeter and observe them etc…


The thing is standing on the perimeter observing what goes on is OUR default position - its what feels comfortable and natural.


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[Vanessa]

100%, she is a crafty one imo and I liked her at first, she loves it when they are all fawning round her

I have to agree. Don't like her at all. Very cold and calculating. Don't want her anywhere near Khaled.

[Beso]

Age wise Ali is 38, Emma is 50 something so you would think they would seek each other out and have things in common. But maybe its easier to manipulate the younger crowd to her way of thinking than it would be with Emma.

I think Ali likes em young.

[rusticgal]

I think some of you are so invested in bringing Ali down that you are feeding off each other’s negativity and your judgements are now impaired somewhat .

There’s a group constantly targeting Ali and their musings are getting more and more ridiculous


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Thats kinda rich coming from you...

[rusticgal]

I stand by what I say on her - cold, calculating, manipulative, judgemental, I am trying to stay away from the bully word but I do think she has come close to the line in how she has treated Khaled. I also think she is someone who holds a grudge.


It is a shame because Ali was one of my faves initially until the Khaled situation.


Totally agree with this...

[Zizu]

Thats kinda rich coming from you...


All I ( and a few others) are doing is defending Ali from countless unfair and often inaccurate criticisms


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[Kazanne]

Thats kinda rich coming from you...

Some do seem a bit too invested in Ali ,I'm wondering if she could do anything wrong in some eyes. I liked her but i don't like it when some try to belittle others and i feel she did that with Khalid.

[Kazanne]

All I ( and a few others) are doing is defending Ali from countless unfair and often inaccurate criticisms


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what is innacurate or unfair Zizu ?

[GoldHeart]

She is the one causing arguments and they all end up apologising to her -

She is probably the biggest game player in there , she loved the drama. Everything she is saying is BS , she has manipulated the whole situation to fit her agenda. People like that are calculating and cold as ice .

[GlitterUK]

I don't hate Ali, she makes a great housemate. She is far from being Switzerland like she said in the live feed tonight. I think she controls the house too much and plants seeds in others heads like Martha and Izaaz as well as impressionable Lily. She went too far with Khaled going in on him was nasty.

[GoldHeart]

Thank F she shut up tonight , I'm surprised she wasn't involved in bagel gate. Could tell she hated being told what to do by Emma though in the road works task .

[Zizu]

She is probably the biggest game player in there , she loved the drama. Everything she is saying is BS , she has manipulated the whole situation to fit her agenda. People like that are calculating and cold as ice .


Have you heard yourself ..

If you knew one thing about Ali or her issues you’d know that she would have hated the drama


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[vesavius]

She is probably the biggest game player in there , she loved the drama. Everything she is saying is BS , she has manipulated the whole situation to fit her agenda. People like that are calculating and cold as ice .

Truth.

[Beso]

Thank F she shut up tonight , I'm surprised she wasn't involved in bagel gate. Could tell she hated being told what to do by Emma though in the road works task .

She was too busy driving her little digger.

[GlitterUK]

I liked her driving the digger part showed a more light hearted none serious side which I like. But yeah she didn't like being told by Emma. Emma stole the show with this task.

[GoldHeart]

I liked her driving the digger part showed a more light hearted none serious side which I like. But yeah she didn't like being told by Emma. Emma stole the show with this task.

I actually expected it to kick off with Emma & Ali, didn't expect Izaaz to be the one to cause a stir.

[GlitterUK]

I think Ali has now realised Emma is a force to be reckoned with. She won't do anything especially as she is up for eviction. Maybe wait a while before planting more seeds.